by JivinJ
That is one of many myths within their arguments. First of all, to say abortion is genocide is a misconception. Access to abortion actually saved lives in black communities, where illegal abortion was a leading cause of death before Roe v. Wade.
I love it when pro-choicers attempt to dispel “myths” by using myths that have been debunked for decades.…
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Wow, this Horne woman is an idiot!
Holy crap! According to the CDC, during the years 1972 to 1998, there were more deaths due to legal abortions than there were illegal ones! Why does anyone even use that lame line anymore?
Keli,
That was my first impression, too. But of course, abortion was legal from 1972-1998, so what are illegal abortions? One done in run-down buildings powered by generators, with expired medicine sitting open on counters, by quacks who don’t wash their hands between procedures? Oh wait, those are legal ones. So what exactly is an illegal abortion since then?
I know what Jill or JivinJ was attempting to link to, but this particular CDC link only talks about death from abortion post-Roe. What we need/want is a table of abortion deaths pre-Roe.
“What we need/want is a table of abortion deaths pre-Roe.
Posted by: Michael at February 22, 2010 12:52 PM”
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Good luck on finding THAT piece of data, Michael…because:
If an abortion was illegally done and both patients(mom and baby) died as the result..who would report it to the authoritites?
The abortionist (and his cohorts) OR the mother who just died OR is it the “friend” who brought the woman in for an abortion?
Anything else is just speculation…
@Michael:
Yeah, you’re right. Only so many illegal abortions would have been performed post-Roe, so the comparison isn’t really a good one.
…I’ll just go put this megaphone away, then, shall I? :)
No offense to RSD and Ashley, but the idea that reasonably young women died and the coroner just wrote “dead” on the death certificate is unreasonable. Some cause of death had to be listed. People who bring a dead or dying person into a hospital aren’t just let off like that. Rational nurses and doctors ask questions and if need be the police would ask, too. Now some could get covered up perhaps but not any significant number. Data from before 1973 are available and the actual causes of death are known. The mysterious hemorrhaging woman cause of death is not near the top of most common causes of death. I don’t mean that the records are 100% accurate, but there are not enough female deaths in the “other” category to even approach what pro aborts purport as women dying left and right from illegal abortions. The number of women who died from abortion in 1973 was 39 according to gov’t statistics. All the other women who died also had causes of death.
Peg, Maame is not “an idiot.” Anything but.
Intelligent people can disagree over abortion, so personal insults like this are not warranted, especially in this case, trust me.
And I wish more prolifers–especially *white* prolifers– would listen to what she has to say about the ill effects of institutionalized racism upon black communities.
“institutionalized racism” LOL
Planned Parenthood is institutionalized racism if such a this exists.
“Institutionalized racism” is what some people call disparities that can’t be explained by anyone actually discriminating. Since “racism” is the only explanation they are willing to accept, but unfortunately they can’t actually find any evidence then, voilà, it is “institutional racism”.
For a look at pre- and post-legalization abortion deaths, see The unmistakable, undeniable, clear impact of legalized abortion on maternal mortality. It pretty much knocks the whole “We’re only doing it to save women’s lives!” bit into a cocked hat.
Ashley…in illegal abortions it was not the coroner performing the the abortions. If a woman was found dead, died at home, or was brought into the hospital they could easily ascertain that she died from an abortion.
Today however, the CDC hides maternal abortion deaths in codes on death certificates. Therefore a woman having an abortion that dies on the table might have her death attributed to thrombosis and no one would ever know that the primary cause was a legal abortion. The book Lime 5 does an excellent job of digging into these records and showing how the CDC hides maternal abortion deaths for political reasons.
Tonight on World News with Diane Sawyer they had a bit on that “Black children are an endangered species”…very interesting!
I had an eye appointment today and my pupils are still so dilated…I will never know how stoners can read or write! This sucks!!!
if institutionalized racism is such a laugh riot, i’m sure hippie you would love to just drop down in my majority black and poor neighborhood and share in the hilarity. talk to the black members of my family; they’re just in stitches over it all.
poverty, malnutrition, poor housing and homelessness, no living wage jobs, poor educational opportunities, community violence, criminalizing of young black men, pathologizing of young black women…all perpetuated by social policies that are the very legacy of the eugenics the billboard campaign says it challenges.
and while you’re at it, you can personally commit to what i have: a lifetime of doing my damnedest to help protect my (unplanned, born disabled by the way) grandchild of african descent from the dangers that assail black kids all their postnatal lives, too.
but you won’t get very far if you don’t first listen and learn from the cries for justice that are in the ohrase you think is so funny and dismissable, “institutionalized racism.”
I can see how the gathering of reliable statistics could be useful information in reducing the number of abortions. Analysis could reveal patterns that could suggest ideas for more education and pregnancy support for a particular demographic.
In my state (not in the US), abortion providers are required to file with the health department the age of the woman, the estimated gestation of the baby at the time of the abortion, the method used, the zip code the mother lives in, if the mother was from a minority, and if the abortion was for suspected fetal abnormality or another reason. I don’t recall ever hearing a complaint from a post-abortive woman that she felt this violated her privacy.
I wish the Health Department gathered more information because I would like to know- are women more likely to have an abortion of their first, second or subsequent pregnancies, and is this affected by their age or where they live? What are the reasons women are telling the doctor that they are aborting? How many are the result of contraceptive failure? How many are repeat abortions? We have the answer to some of these questions from other sources, but I believe the more information, the more conclusions we could draw which could possibly help us to develop targeted education and pregnancy support programs.