Jivin J’s Life Links 5-6-10
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
Next week, we will mark Bella’s second birthday. Over these 2 years, we have endured 2 close brushes with death, lots of sleepless nights, more than a month in [the Children’s Hospital of PA]’s intensive care unit, and the constant anxiety that the next day could be our little girl’s last….
And yet we have also been inspired – by her fighting spirit, and by the miracle of seeing our little flower blossom into a loving, joyful child who is at the center of our family life.
Most children with trisomy 18 diagnosed in the womb are aborted. Most who survive birth are given hospice care until they die. In these cases, doctors advise parents that these disabled children will die young or be a burden to them and society. But couldn’t the same be said of many healthy children?
All children are a gift that comes with no guarantees. While Bella’s life may not be long, and though she requires our constant care, she is worth every tear.
“I’m concerned about it,” Crist said Wednesday in St. Petersburg. “Even though I’m pro-life I don’t want to impose my will on others.”
Isn’t that what “personally pro-life” politicians say?
“Someday I hope the unborn have a voice in these chambers,” said Sen. Ralph Ostmeyer (pictured left), a Grinnell Republican. “We will have a change in governor. We will get this passed. It’s just a year away.”
The bill would require physicians to give the medical diagnosis that prompted them to authorize the abortion. State law prohibits abortions during or after the 22nd week of pregnancy, unless a doctor determines that the pregnancy constitutes a serious health threat.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Santorum for President!
The comments in response to Santorum’s article are disgusting. Oh so tolerant liberals…
““Even though I’m pro-life I don’t want to impose my will on others.”
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When will these politician’s learn that standing up for Life is not imposing his will on others?
Abortion supporters are the ones imposing THEIR will upon another person (the unborn). And their will is to kill the unborn person in the name of “convenience” and “profit”.
“Even though I’m pro-life I don’t want to impose my will on others.”
Has anyone ever read/heard someone say this and responded “Wow, that’s a really good point… I never thought about that… I need to rethink my position”?
Abortion supporters are the ones imposing THEIR will upon another person (the unborn).
No, if I’m pregnant and I don’t wish to carry the fetus to term, you’re imposing your will on my sovereign body if you tell my that I can’t do what I want with my body. If I want to “kill” my fetus, it’s the same as if want to kill my lungs with tobacco or my liver with booze. But re Santorum – what a total weirdo. He once described homosexuality as being akin to “man on dog.” And he actually took home his wife’s miscarried fetus for the other kids to “bond” with. Yeah, that’s “normal.” The voters in PA were very smart to boot his freaky ass out of the Senate. He’s a great poster child for “pro-life,” though – LOL!
And for the record, I’m glad that discoveries are being made using non “baby” stem cells if only to shut up the “pro-life” whiners who are always kvetching about embryonic stem cell research. If the adult stem cells are promising, that’s great. BTW, I still want to know if the little “babies” in the in-vitro labs get baptized – otherwise, they won’t go to heaven? Right?
Hi Artemis.
“I still want to know if the little “babies” in the in-vitro labs get baptized – otherwise, they won’t go to heaven? Right?”
According to Catholic theology, we simply do not know. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out in paragraph 1261
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
I am not aware as to whether or not they are baptized. Hope that helps.
“If I want to “kill” my fetus, it’s the same as if want to kill my lungs with tobacco or my liver with booze.”
But Artemis, even if this analogy is otherwise correct (which I am highly dubious about), wouldn’t you say that if you are drinking or smoking FOR THE PURPOSE of damaging your liver or lungs than that is evil? In other words, you are saying that purposefully destroying your fetus is morally equivalent to purposefully destroying your lungs, the later of which I would think you would say is wrong. But if that is wrong and it is equivalent to destroying your fetus, wouldn’t abortion also be wrong?
“If I want to “kill” my fetus, it’s the same as if want to kill my lungs with tobacco or my liver with booze.”
Artemis,
What is your education level?
Artemis,
I have friends who brought their stillborn child home to bond with family. Are you imposing your beliefs on others that it shouldn’t be done??!!
You have insulted, I think, almost every group there is. You go.
Oh,
I am not Catholic. My daughter who died in my abortion and my two children I miscarried are in heaven. They were not baptized. Read I’ll Hold You in Heaven by Jack Hayford.
I have a hard time believing that you really care,
but there ya go.
BTW Carla, I very much believe unbaptized babies do go to heaven.
:)
Artemis:
“If I want to “kill” my fetus, it’s the same as if want to kill my lungs”
Learn your biology – the fetus is NOT a mother’s body, even though it relies on it to survive for 9 months. It is a seperate human being, completely unique and different in genetic make-up and DNA. The fetus has his/her own organs, beating heart and a seperate blood system with no no direct contact between the circulatory systems of the mother and fetus.
Hope that helps. Though as far as I’ve seen for pro-choicers “ignorance is bliss”, so I don’t even expect you’ll do as much as to educate yourself once and for all and stop trolling.
Gee Arty, You just don’t get it.
One of my good friends miscarried and delivered the small body at home. They asked their small daughters if they would like to see their little brother, and I believe the oldest (~age 5) carefully helped to wash his body. A day or two later had a small private service at their church. These gestures were about helping them and their children mourn the loss of their son and little brother. See, that preganancy had been a cause of joy and excitement, not of fear. The miscarriage was the loss of someone loved.
I feel sorry for you. You are so hard-hearted that you can’t recognize real love. Or perhaps you can recognize it, but it scares the dickens out of you because real love is hard; it requires sacrifice, vulnerability, commitment, flexibility, going outside your comfort zone, and giving of your self for no personal gain. The rewards of true love are so much better then the empty highs of instant gratification, but you’ll never know them.
I feel sorry for you. You are so hard-hearted that you can’t recognize real love. Or perhaps you can recognize it, but it scares the dickens out of you because real love is hard; it requires sacrifice, vulnerability, commitment, flexibility, going outside your comfort zone, and giving of your self for no personal gain. The rewards of true love are so much better then the empty highs of instant gratification, but you’ll never know them.
Posted by: Michael at May 6, 2010 3:27 PM
Michael, DITTO!!!!!!!
Don’t believe in slavery? Don’t buy one.
I’m personally against slavery, but I don’t want to tell others how to run their plantations.
Abolitionists just want to force their extreme religious views on us.
We can’t really say the slave is a person.
Slavery is safe, legal, and rare.
Substitute the word slavery with abortion. Getting the picture now, Artemis?
Behold, Rick Santorum’s one and only contribution to American culture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_(sexual_neologism)
Thank you, Mr. Dan Savage.
Posted by: Jasper at May 6, 2010 2:25 PM
Master of Arts in Counseling. What’s your highest level of education.
Posted by: Jill Guidry at May 6, 2010 4:00 PM
Slaves are beings who have passed the birth canal (actually the Talumudic definition of humanity). Fetuses are the sole property of those carrying them. Big difference. Pro-lifers have no right to my uterus or any other part of my body. Get it? But hey, I understand the fetus worship (f*&k the “incubator”) of the “pro-life” movement.But hey, if abortion is crimalized, unwanted babies should be dropped off at Catholic rectories and bishop’s mansions. If they’re female, they can do housekeeping for the staff (traditional god given role for women). If they’re male, they will have a great future – wink, wink!!!
Doctrinaire feminism and bumper sticker slogans. Polly want a cracker? Enjoy your complete disconnect and self-imposed adolescent boyhood. Cue the unicorns and the ‘bodily autonomy’ rhetoric. Unborn children are not property any more than slaves were.
Funny how only radical feminists refer to women as incubators, baby machines, etc, and assume all women without the right to kill their unborn will end up as domestic help. Apparently death is a better option to them. Educated idiots. Dumbed down Roebots ready to serve the state and most importantly, themselves. Objectify women much, Artemis?
We call them mothers.
Posted by: Jill Guidry at May 6, 2010 6:25 PM
Hey, it’s your side that claim that African American women are somehow coerced into abortions – a position which infers that they are too stupid or childlike to make their own decisions. And BTW, my body is my property and no pro-lifer has any right to it. And I didn’t say that women who can’t get abortions will end up as domestic help. I was doing a little snark about “the good old days” of the majesterium. Hey, I went to Catholic school and was taught that a woman’s role in life was to be a “helpmate” and bear many children. Hopefully things have changed.
Fetuses are the sole property of those carrying them. Big difference.
…And slaves are the sole property of those who own them. You’re defeating your own arguments, dear.
Posted by: Lauren at May 6, 2010 6:32 PM
Slaves aren’t carried in the bodies of their owners. Big difference. But then in your world “pre-born” and “post born” is all the same thing. Too bad for you that the law doesn’t recognize it. Too bad, so sad. Sweetie.
Artemis, prove to me that a preborn human being is different than a post-born human being. You can’t because there is no substanative difference. Both are human beings. Period. End of story.
Oh, and I consider 3000 murdered children a day a bit more than “too bad, so sad.”
Posted by: Lauren at May 6, 2010 6:44 PM
The law says that they were not “murdered.” And if a number of major religious denominations and scientists don’t have a problem with abortion, that tells me that there is no unanimity about the issue. But I know – your view is the only truth, yadda, yadda…Thing is it’s a personal decision. It’s not your business. Roe isn’t going down anytime soon and if it is, abortion will be safe in the more enlightened states like mine.
Artemis…nice rabbit trails.
The thief on the cross was not baptized. He had faith in Jesus to save and Jesus said “Today thou shalt be with me in paradise”. The thief had no chance to try go live a good life, or be baptized, or put money in an offering plate. Those things are nice but do not take away your sin. Baptism does not save a soul. Jesus saves souls. And He longs to save yours Artemis. He longs to free you from your bitterness and hatred and despair. Jesus loves you so so much Artemis.
The law says that they were not “murdered.” And if a number of major religious denominations and scientists don’t have a problem with abortion, that tells me that there is no unanimity about the issue.
Yeah, and the law said that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao didn’t murder anyone either. That doesn’t make their victims any less dead.
I don’t give a flying crap if every major religion in the world said that killing your child was just fine. It doesn’t change the fact that there is a scientific fact that a human being is killed during an abortion. You can’t dispute that fact, and so you bring up religion. Funny, you accuse us of doing this, but you’re the one who continually dodges scientific questions.
“The law says that they were not “murdered.” And if a number of major religious denominations and scientists don’t have a problem with abortion, that tells me that there is no unanimity about the issue.”-Artemis
Yeah, and the law said that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao didn’t murder anyone either. That doesn’t make their victims any less dead.
I don’t give a flying crap if every major religion in the world said that killing your child was just fine. It doesn’t change the fact that there is a scientific fact that a human being is killed during an abortion. You can’t dispute that fact, and so you bring up religion. Funny, you accuse us of doing this, but you’re the one who continually dodges scientific questions.
(fixed the quote)
African American women are targeted for abortion.
Please watch Maafa21. Learn the truth, Artemis.
Ah, it seems Artemis thinks it’s fun to make jokes about pedophilia, among her other shining attributes.
From my Greek mythology book: “Artemis was a cold and pitiless goddess.”
Artemis: “If I want to ‘kill’ my fetus, it’s the same as if want to kill my lungs with tobacco or my liver with booze.”
If a fetus were one of your organs, rather than a living human being, you might almost have a point. As it were, it’s just another swing a[n Arte]miss.
Artemis,
Since you base your arguments on bodily autonomy and the right to your uterus etc, I’m curious. If we reach a point in modern medicine where very young fetuses can be incubated to term outside the mother, would you still say she has the right to kill it? Surely the fetus whose body is capable of independent maturation would have the right to it’s own bodily autonomy, would it not?
“Hey, it’s your side that claim that African American women are somehow coerced into abortions – a position which infers that they are too stupid or childlike to make their own decisions.”
Artemis,
No. By definition, coercion means a person’s ability to make their own decision is restricted by another person, not by their assumed “stupidity”.
“And I didn’t say that women who can’t get abortions will end up as domestic help. I was doing a little snark about “the good old days” of the majesterium.”
Hilarious.
Artemis, if you want to talk intelligently about the Church’s MAGISTERIUM, you could at least learn how to spell the word right. OK?
Then maybe you could spend a little time reading it, like John Paul II’s encyclical on the dignity of women. It’s clear that you haven’t kept in touch with developments in Catholic teaching since you left the church what? – 40+ years ago? You pick up a few crumbs from the New York Times now and then, or something, and think yourself an expert on Catholicism. In truth, you just come off looking like an imbecile.
I’m curious by the way. Do you talk to people all the time the way you write year? If so, you must get a lot of black eyes and bloody noses in real life. Just wondering.
I meant “write here.”
Artemis, do you believe in child support? If s, how do you justify forcing parents to labor towards the food, housing, and clothing of a child that they may or may not want, and may or may not ever have wanted?
Do you believe child neglect is acceptable? After all, changing diapers, preparing meals, and dressing children all require action on the part of parents, actions that must be performed with the parent’s body. If a woman decides she no longer wants to care for her 12-year-old, can she just put her outside and ignore her? How about a 3 year old? How about a 3 month old? Why would that woman be required to share her house and spend her money on a child she no longer wanted?
There is a scientific consensus that the fetus is a human entity and not the same as his or her mother. It is known that each human being begins life as a zygote. It is provable that the zygote/morula/blastocyst/embryo/fetus is almost always the genetic offspring of the woman whose womb he or she develops in (with the exception of embryo adoption or donation, in which case the woman in question has very definitely made a choice to put the embryo in her womb and committed to providing for it). Please explain the difference between the responsibility of the parents to care for an unborn child 8 months after conception and the responsibility of the parents to care for a born child 8 months after conception.