Tis the season (to support your local abortion fund)
… So goes the title of a December 1 post at The Abortioneers blog.
And in making his pitch to spread a little financial holiday cheer to one’s local abortion fund, Mr. Banana Grabber wrote the following, which is frankly just one more example of pro-abort lunacy. These people can’t possibly think through the things they write:
I have talked to women who had to pawn their kids’ Christmas gifts to raise money to pay for their abortion. There is nothing more heartbreaking than listening to a woman cry because she cannot provide for her children, even at Christmas.
First, I don’t believe this pitiful but ridiculous scenario.
But if it were true, the response, of course, is to tell these women they would have had gifts to give their postborn children had they not sold them to pay to kill their preborn children. I’m sorry, but cry me a river.
And why are the mothers solely responsible to scrape up the money to pay for their abortions? Where are the fathers? This would be just another example of women being exploited for sex, which abortion funds enable.
And let’s hearken back to that 1st Christmas – a word I’m surprised Mr. Banana Grabber dared to mention… must’ve slipped - celebrating the birth of another unplanned pregnancy. Is Christmas really the right holiday to market killing unplanned babies?
The pro-abort crowd could do without apologists like Mr. Banana Grabber.
He does their cause no good.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
That’s almost as bad as Daughter of Wands (Wands? That faintly phallic imagery recalls the anti-woman, pro-men-having-abundant-sex-without-consequences nature of the pro-abort movement) saying, “Will you let the tick suck your blood until he’s the size a newborn baby?”
I once saw a button attempting to mock Christianity by saying “The Virgin Mary was an unwed teenage mother.”
Well, she was not married and what we would call a teenager.
What they fail to mention is that this unwed teenage mother, the kind of person they scorn for not getting abortions like ‘sensible’ people, through her ‘shameful’ pregnancy, became the temple of the Lord, and gave birth to the God-Man, “a little child, God before the ages”.
Mr. Banana Grabber is as dim a Christmas bulb. Perhaps the mother ought NOT get an abortion since that costs NO money. Then the kids can joyfully open their presents. And next Christmas they’ll have a little brother on whom they can stick used gift-wrap bows.
I don’t get it. Why is an abortion so much more important than giving the gifts to your children. And what about the gift of life?
I just did a craft at a public store. Every last little kid asked for a baby brother or sister. There were poor families, families with single moms, families with half a dozen kids crowding up to the table. The craft was for the kids to write down their christmas wishes, and put them in a keepsake holder. Every little kid asked for a baby brother or sister. Even the kid old enough to ask for car keys asked for a baby brother.
that’s a messed up, clueless post. Kids want action figures and baby dolls- preferably real. they’ll settle for toys.
The pro-aborts are obviously becoming completely unhinged. Maranatha Lord Jesus.
Cranky: I’ve never understood this obsession with Christmas gifts to the point of forgetting it’s a religious holiday. I would have preferred a baby brother or sister to being drowned in a pile of commercial junk every Christmas.
So now junior has a dismembered sibling, a mom who would prefers to steal from one child (his presents) and from the other child (his life) for her own shortsighted and selfish ends; and also he has no presents! Can you feel the LOVE????
Where do you get that thank you card that says” Thanks so much for the money I got for your Christmas presents, it inabled me to slaughter your brother without increasing my personal indebtedness, or causing me to rethink my lifestyle and priorities. Merry Christmas!
This is nauseating.
BTW: my childrens presents wouldn’t pawn out for too much.
But at least I let them live to play with them.
Has no one ever heard of giving up a child for adoption? They don’t charge for that, you know.
How do you pawn a kid’s Christmas presents? Do pawn shops even take toys?
I just did a craft at a public store. Every last little kid asked for a baby brother or sister. There were poor families, families with single moms, families with half a dozen kids crowding up to the table. The craft was for the kids to write down their christmas wishes, and put them in a keepsake holder. Every little kid asked for a baby brother or sister. Even the kid old enough to ask for car keys asked for a baby brother.
Wow, seriously? I’m an only child and I never asked for a baby brother or sister.
Cranky: I’ve never understood this obsession with Christmas gifts to the point of forgetting it’s a religious holiday.
I agree. All this commercialism is kind of sickening. I mentioned once that I worked in a daycare facility. Most of the people who had children attending there were low-income. I remember once one of the children’s mother’s gave me a ceramic elephant, the kind of thing you see in the dollar store — in other words, kind of tacky. She attached a note to it that said “thank you for taking such good care of my baby.” I was so touched, tears came to my eyes. No it was wasn’t expensive, and it eventually broke, but it came from the heart, and that’s what made it special.
Ari, my son just turned 4. He asked Santa for a baby brother AND sister. :-) It melted my heart but at the same time broke it since I would love nothing more than to present my son with his new baby siblings.
Toys and money are not more important than children’s lives. And if you can’t afford it adoption is the solution, not murder.
“The pro-abort crowd could do without apologists like Mr. Banana Grabber.”
Mr. Bannana Grabber was heard to say as he was interrogated by a TSA Agent:
“That is not a pipe bomb in my pants. I’m just happy to see you.”
[with at least partial attribution to Mae West.]
To which the TSA Agent replied: “Our mission is to produce more frequent flyer smiles by ensuring that every would be travelers journey begins with a ‘happy ending’.”
Banana Grabber is just another stunning example that, ‘Humans are stupid.’
“First, I don’t believe this pitiful but ridiculous scenario.”
And that’s why you’re antichoice- because you refuse to believe women’s stories.
“But if it were true, the response, of course, is to tell these women they would have had gifts to give their postborn children had they not sold them to pay to kill their preborn children. I’m sorry, but cry me a river.”
Of course, the cruel response to a woman in a desperate situation certainly helps your antichoice persona.
Yes, Moonie, and the extent of YOUR compassion is: kill the kid and get on with your life.
And speaking of not believing women’s stories, your side’s cruelty is evident in that area even more so than ours. Thousands of women have taped and written testimonials about how abortion has negatively impacted their lives. And the prochoicer response? Too bad and your abortion photos are fake. There is nothing more cruel than to kill a defenseless human being just because you can.
Not to mention how not-seriously I take an anecdote by someone who’s chosen moniker is ‘banana grabber’ who claims to be relating a story about a woman. Now, if I saw a woman use her own name and tell the story, it would be more believable. You might check out silentnomore’s website. Worse than whether or not a woman pawns her possessions to pay to kill her child, is the fact that she would murder her child rather than let another family raise him or her. Back in the very old days, when a woman gave up a child she often never saw or heard from the child again. But today, in 2010, adoptions are better, screening is better, and best of all the mothers can meet the prospective family and take part in the decision of where the child is raised (depending on how she chooses to arrange it). In 2010 there is no excuse to kill a child you don’t want to raise.
I am old enough to have had many friends and relatives who knew whether their own birth was planned or “accidental.” “I was an accident” was not an uncommon joking way to say that you caught your parents by suprise. I am old enough to have seen all my friends and relatives grow up and reach middle age and beyond. And guess what? The “accidents” grew up to be as well adjusted and productive as the kids who’s parents were trying to conceive. You would not look at a family of 4 middle aged or older siblings and be able to tell by looking which was which. If “accidents” had always been so bad, then we would have seen some kind of detrimental pattern emerge in our society many many decades ago. It is only the false notion created by the abortionist that concludes ‘unwanted’ children are a social evil and mothers must be able to murder them at will.
“And guess what? The “accidents” grew up to be as well adjusted and productive as the kids who’s parents were trying to conceive”
Just because, in your experience, everything was beautiful, doesn’t make it universally true. I, on the other hand, know a number of children whose moms were true “brood mares” and some of these kids were very messed up. I know it’s hard for you to believe but not everybody loves their babies. Hence, child abuse.
So, DD, tell us, since these kids you know are messed up, at which age would you like to be able to kill them? Perhaps when they are 5 or 6? Hmm? Because if killing people is the best way to handle life’s difficult situations, why are you pro-choicers always picking on the pre-born? I think it’s cowardly of you not to advocate the killing of ALL people who are difficult or in difficult situations. I mean, gosh, it’s not like they can ever heal or grow up or get jobs or anything. If a kid’s mom abuses him and it results in his acting out at school, then send him right to the gallows!! Do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars! What a rotten kid, provoking his poor innocent mother like that!
Lol! You have to excuse my reckless sarcasm – obviously too many cookies this week. haha!
I have my doubts about this “pawning gifts for the abortion”. Its just made up nonsense to get people to donate to kill more children. Blood Money.
DD December 3rd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
”I, on the other hand, know a number of children whose moms were true “brood mares” and some of these kids were very messed up.”
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dbldmb,
Just curious.
Did you ask the dysfunctional ‘brood mares’ of these ‘very messed up’ children if you could euthanize their unfortunate spawn?
Or did you offer the moms a baseball bat and suggest that they do the right thing and bash the young uns brains out themselves?
DD – Hold up. Do you really want to talk about child abuse? I thought abortion was supposed to stop all that. In fact, the opposite has proven to be true. Child abuse has skyrocketed since abortion was legalized. And it makes total sense. Why should killing one’s preborn children not translate to abusing one’s postborn children? And are you saying your solution to child abuse is killing more children before they are born?
~ The U.S. Department of Health & Human Services reports that for each year between 2000 and 2005, “female parents acting alone” were most likely to be perpetrators of child abuse. ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse
~ In September 1991, the U.S. Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect declared the state of child maltreatment in the U.S. a “national emergency.” The severity of the crisis was evidenced by disturbing facts: reported cases of abuse and neglect, totaling 2.6 million, had increased 300 percent in the past 15 years. ~ http://www.fww.org/articles/misc/frc.htm
~ “It is truly an epidemic,” said Shay Bilchik, president and chief executive of Child Welfare League of America. “And we’ve seen the tremendous increase over the last 20 years.”… Many social workers say they are stunned by an increase in abuse in the middle class, putting additional strain on a system already under pressure. “It covers across the socioeconomic spectrum,” Bilchik said. “So this isn’t about just impoverished families.” ~ ABC News, April 2005 http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/rise-child-abuse-called-national-epidemic/story?id=701293&page=1
DD– I know not all moms love their children. Thus abortion exists. But that doesn’t mean all moms can’t adjust their attitudes and LEARN to love their children. The problem is not with the babies but with the parents.
And if a mom thinks she really can’t learn to love her baby then adoption is a solution that doesn’t still a beating heart.
Abortion was gonna end poverty and crime, too. Riiight.
How do you explain to a child, “Sorry, no Christmas gift this year. It costs too much money to kill your younger brother or sister, and I don’t have enough left over to buy you that doll, or train, or bike you wanted. Sorry, but killing your younger sibling is just way too important, much more important than giving you a Christmas. So you just have to do without this year.”
What is the child going to think of THAT?
DD – Hold up. Do you really want to talk about child abuse? I thought abortion was supposed to stop all that. In fact, the opposite has proven to be true. Child abuse has skyrocketed since abortion was legalized
So has the reporting of child abuse. And as a health professional, you should know that there are many factors involved in physical and sexual child abuse. You also should know that abuse can be intergenerational – in other words, those who were abused pre-Roe are now abusing their children. (Sexual abuse certainly happened before Roe but children were not encouraged to disclose it and if they did, they were not taken as seriously as they are now.) To attribute a rise in child abuse to abortion is ridiculous. You could also say that child abuse has risen since the moon landings or since the end of the Vietnam War! But perhaps you could provide some peer reviewed, objective studies to prove your case. And BTW, the Kennedy/Johnson war on poverty was done as a result of terrible conditions in this country – pre Roe.
I don’t really see the relevance of child abuse statistics for the pro-abort argument. All it says is, “Abused children’s lives are not worth anything.”
What’s going to give hope to an abused child? Telling him it’s such a shame he had to be born, and that it would have been better to kill him early? Or telling him that even though his parents failed to appreciate his worth, he’s still a human being with a right to exist?
I wonder what kind of world would be less likely to encourage him to continue the cycle of violence. Would it be a world where his right to live is constantly under threat by those who presume to assess his so-called ‘quality of life’, and determine his worth based on something outside his control? Or would it be a world where his right to live is guaranteed without reference to his personal tragedies?
I don’t have a link to back it up right now, but when I researched child abuse for a report in college (either ’07 or ’08), I found data that said that wanted (or planned, perhaps?) children were actually more likely to be abused.
And really, can’t you get your kids some stuff from Family Dollar instead and, you know, not kill their sibling?! I’m sorry, your kids won’t die because they didn’t get a bike – our family had a year where the only presents we had were donated by the church. Those things make us stronger, even though kids might not see it at the time. And I can’t even fathom the horror of finding out Mommy used Christmas presents to kill a sibling . . .
Sick of pro-aborts to use a holiday that celebrates a birth to promote the choice to prevent birth of the unborn by murdering them.
Punisher
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Sick of pro-aborts to use a holiday that celebrates a birth to promote the choice to prevent birth of the unborn by murdering them.
Especially a birth of the One who came to SAVE people–to offer them eternal life. Seems a bit like a morbid oxymoron to me.
I am the eldest of 9 surviving children. When my mom was not pregnant, one or another of us would often prompt her about when she was going to have another baby. The greatest gift my parents ever gave me was my siblings.
And the greatest gift I have yet given my sons is each other.
So sorry that this theoretical mother could not see past her own nose far enough to allow her children the gifts of one another.
“There is nothing more heartbreaking than listening to a woman cry because she cannot provide for her children, even at Christmas.”
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Um, aren’t fathers supposed to provide for their children?
All the “heartbreaking” crap is bizarro. I mean how about when life was truly hard?
http://www.olden-times.com/oldtimenebraska/n-rdaley/minden.html
Those girls that sported “I love Pro Choice Boys” t-shirts, they think a father’s only responsibility is to say, “take care of it” or “get rid of it.” If he says, “keep him or her” then he’s unreasonable, oppressive, and hates women. Oh, and he’s probably a rapist too.
Sorry, my glucose level must have dropped again. Thanks Jill for the statistics and links. I’m not surprised. I don’t have any psych education, but even I can connect the dots between the acceptance of abortion and an increase in child abuse. I think even though a mother may love her children very much, she may still have the capacity to abuse them. It’s a complex problem, and the solution can be found. But I am weary of the pro-choice call to kill the at-risk and the poor. It’s genocidal. It’s not pro woman and nothing about it raises her level of empowerment. I also think that some abortive moms don’t hate or not love their preborn children. I think abortion often happens in a panic, a crisis, and the whole pregnancy to that point might not have been entirely unaccepted.
What a lame excuse to have an abortion. We have only 4 kids, thanks be to God, and our little neighbor friend, an only child, is always at our house. I have another dear friend who use to have an only child. This child always wanted to be around my children. I do not write this to boast, but I think it’s very telling. Children seem to naturally want to be around other children, most especially if he or she is an only child. I write this understanding that there are circumstances in which a couple or a single mom or dad cannot have other children. It’s terrible that women/young girls find themselves in desperate situations and feel there’s no other way out, but abortion will only add to their trauma. Adoption is a better choice!! I bet if a national survey was conducted on children, especially ones from families with 1 or 2 kids, those kids would pick another sibling over a new toy, DS, , cellphone, Wii, etc…
Very true, but way to make me feel crappier. Explain this to my husband who is being so selfish to deny both his wife and his son what they both want! More babies in the house!!!
I am the youngest of 4 and my siblings are a treasure to me. Esepcially my father is deceased and my mother climbing up in years but I know when she passes on I still have my brothers and sister. My sister especially is my best friend.
Hi Sydney I will be praying for you and your husband to come to an agreement about this. I know God does not want this to cause anger and frustration in your marriage but he wants peace, love and joy in your home. As you pray for your husband ask God to show you what is going on in his heart so that you will see him through God’s eyes instead of your own. God can work in both of your hearts and give you supernatural love and wisdom how to deal with this issue. God bless you. I do remember what it feels like to want a baby it is a powerful thing “maternal instinct” and God did eventually answer our prayer.
Sydney,
My intent was not to make you feel crappy. I’m sorry if you took it that way. I was only trying to make the point about the gift of another sibling far surpasses material gifts. My husband and I were not always in unity when it came to being open to having more children. Quite frankly, I think it’s a miracle that we were able to have even 4. I will pray that you both can be unified in this area. I know it’s area where many couples struggle.
As one of eight, I like the different siblings I have. The elder 2 are adopted, which as far as we’re concerned they might as well have been blood related (they look like they are!)
My older brother was born sometime before abortion was legalized. I suspect if it had been legalized my brother’s birth mom would’ve aborted him. He came into our family when he was a teenager. We took him in, and he became one of the family. I couldn’t have asked for a better older brother–he’s warm, caring, devoted, fun, funny. When I think about how he escaped abortion I’m relieved. My life is enriched by his presence and by his life.
If it wasn’t for adoption and loving people like my parents, I wouldn’t have this wonderful man for a brother. I thank God and the fact that there are pro-life people willing to take in others and adoption for the fact that I have my older brother and eldest sister.
There’s a lot of people in my life who are adopted and I’m grateful for each of them.
Whether you’re an only child or have siblings every which direction you look, life is truly precious.
I suppose that gathering the children around mom and sharing with them the news that there is a new brother or sister on the way, tying in to the Nativity narrative would have been too much to hope for.
Looking past the tree and the presents to the Christmas Creche, one is drawn to contemplate the Gospel narratives that tell of a young, unwed girl who presented her fiance with the blasphemous story that an angel appeared and told her that God got her pregnant. They tell of Joseph’s desire to end the engagement, of Mary going out to the country to live with her older cousin.
The story tells of the birth in a barn, doubtless amid the stench of dirty animals and feces, of having to flee for the child’s life, of going BACK to the land of their former bondage.
Nothing like Mary’s sufferings even comes close today in America, except for the newly pregnant young women who find their families and boyfriends to be modern day Herods.
Thanks everyone for the kind words :-) and prayers!!! I need them!
My son prayed the other night “Dear God, please give me a brother AND a sister. Not just one. But you can give them one at a time. But I really need a brother AND a sister. Okay? Just remember, brother AND a sister. Amen”
It made me laugh and cry at the same time!
Dr. Gerard,
At one time I was pregnant during the Christmas Holidays. I had never felt closer to Mary, but I was also glad I didn’t have to go through what she went through! I couldn’t imagine riding on a donkey while almost ready to give birth!
The story is truly incredible. Some people find it unbelievable, but I see the mystery and beauty in Mary’s faith and God’s plan. He didn’t have His son born to a king in all the Majesty Jesus deserved, but in humbleness so that the most “ordinary” person [like the shepherds and others] could approach Him as well as kings and wise men!
Sydney M
December 6th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Thanks everyone for the kind words and prayers!!! I need them!
My son prayed the other night “Dear God, please give me a brother AND a sister. Not just one. But you can give them one at a time. But I really need a brother AND a sister. Okay? Just remember, brother AND a sister. Amen”
It made me laugh and cry at the same time!
Now you’re gonna make me cry! What a sweet kid you have! He apparently has a lot of love to give and wants to share it with siblings. That’s very sweet in a kid! (my own LOVES babies. One of my sisters has a baby and my kid adores the little one).
My younger brother was the same way. He always wanted a little brother or sister. It didn’t work out that way (Mom miscarried and then was never able to have anymore) but he has 6 older sisters (including myself) and an older brother, so even though he doesn’t have a YOUNGER sibling he has quite a few siblings and several in-laws LOL
DD- I am disturbed at the disconnect between your supposed CV and what you say. You know remarkably little about social welfare policy to have worked in the field as long as you have. I have only practiced 7 years with my BSW and 5 with my MSW and can say assuredly that expecting people to be able to LIVE off of welfare and charity is an injustice to them, perpetuated by those that benefit from their exploitation. Case in point- LBJ’s War on Poverty was a solution in search of a problem that said, “If it ain’t broke, let’s fix it till it is.” The conditions in the 50’s and 60’s were NOT so demanding of widespread socialist measures injecting the federal government into state government territory- In fact, up until that time, states and local charity took excellent care of their poor. Sadly, this has been replaced with ineffective categorical grants that waste tons of money. I know- I oversee the waste of tons of money as an evaluator of social service programs, determining their effectiveness. These programs exist not to actually HELP the poor, but to keep them dependent on people that want to buy their votes. True hand-up rather than hand-out programs know that poverty is an injustice that can only be remedied by EMPOWERMENT, not ENSLAVEMENT to the government dole. Others want the poor to remain poor to limit their influence or not create competition. Anyone who has worked for any length of time knows that giving people money or services rather than the ability to provide for themselves is not only wasting money, but perpetuating the exploitation of the poor.
Sydney, your son’s prayer makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time also. I will keep my prayers coming your way.
Jacqueline thanks for your post. What you are saying is confirmed in books by Star Parker, her autobiography “Pimps, Whores and Welfare Brats” and her book “Uncle Sam’s Plantation” (I think the sub-title is ”How the welfare system enslaves America’s poor”. I have noticed working in healthcare that many of the social programs are grant driven to collect off of the irresponsible risky, unhealthy behaviors NOT to promote primary prevention strategies first and then behavioral change to assist people to stop engaging in risky behavior, (this is true especially in regard to sexual behaviors).