Their legal coat hanger abortions
With several bills and amendments in motion to stop taxpayer funding of abortion and the abortion industry, the other side is once again reaching inside its closet of scare tactics to the coat hanger, symbolic of dangerous pre-Roe illegal abortions. For instance, the new MoveOn.org ad…
And this one by Zina Saunders at Mother Jones (click on graphic for link to view)…
Never mind there is evidence wanting that pre-Roe pregnant mothers in America actually ever used coat hangers to abort. And as Eric Scheidler points out, only the abortion lobby should be blamed these days for any self-induced abortions by that method since they’re the only ones bringing it up.
But we get the point: Making abortions harder to get, or illegal, will lead to women dying who dangerously attempt them on their own.
This pitch is made for no other behavior they agree with us should be “rare.” We don’t make cigarettes or alcohol more available to curb smoking and drinking. We don’t argue laws should not be passed for fear someone will break them.
But whatever, they’re making this pitch at an interesting time when legal abortions are being exposed as more ghastly than illegal abortions ever were. Gosnell. Pendergraft. Brigham. Carhart. Rajanna. Osathanondh. Finkel. Finkelstein. Perper. Hodari. Planned Parenthood. These names are only the tip of the iceberg.
Then there are medical abortions. First of all, the abortion industry is using Misoprostol, the 2nd half of the RU486 cocktail, against FDA protocol. Second, medical abortions have brought us full circle. Pregnant mothers are back to DIY (Do-It-Yourself) abortions, with increasing calls from the abortion industry to make the pills available in areas without medical help if something goes wrong.
The only difference between back-alley abortions of yesterday and today is the expansion and control of the money gotten from them. Today abortion is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The singing in the animated video linked to above is atrocious. Urg.
Which brings up another question proaborts won’t answer-where are they when something does go wrong? Where are they when women die from abortion, legal or illegal? Paying for the funeral and adopting the surviving kids (if there are any?) no-they’re too busy paying off the families and trying to silence the stories of these women while they encourage more abortion. Most women are smart enough not to reach for the coat hanger,(misogyny anyone?) that’s just the old bait and switch at work. Not to mention no one was keeping records of those dying by illegal abortion pre-Roe anyway, so where are they getting their false stats from? Guess we know the answer to that one, don’t we. 90 percent of illegal abortions pre-Roe were done by doctors, doctors with the same kind of morally bankrupt ideology as Gosnell and Co. Prochoice loves to ignore that sad little fact too. Ask them what they’re doing to shut down illegal abortionists. They’re not, they’re protecting them.
great reflections
But we get the point: Making abortions harder to get, or illegal, will lead to women dying who dangerously attempt them on their own.
Evidently the abortion industry doesn’t have a problem with women dying at the hands of an abortionist, which is why they NEVER call for the revocation of any abortionist’s license when they kill a patient.
They just don’t want women dying by their own hand.
There’s no money to be made that way.
They just don’t get it. Women shouldn’t hurt themselves or their pre-born children, ever. And even with legal abortion, we still sometimes see news stories about women who try to induce abortion by tools or poison even though a legal abortion is within easy driving distance of where they live.
Pro-choice people just don’t get what it means to respect human life at all stages, and all ages.
According to the Center For Disease control statistics, 39 women died from illegal abortions in 1972 (the year prior to Roe & Doe). 29 women died from LEGAL abortion that same year. Elective abortion was legal in some states prior to 1973 & many states had a “life of the mother”/”rape & incest” exception that allowed for legal abortion prior to Roe. These records would be pretty accurate, at least on the ILLEGAL reporting because the woman would likely be evaluated by a doctor who had NOT commited the abortion & would have no bias in reporting how the woman died. Also, approximately 90% of all illegal abortions were performed by physicians, according to Dr. Mary Calderone, founder of siecus and medical director of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America “90% of illegal abortions are being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; . . . They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is . . . Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians.” What happened after abortion was legalized? These physicians began advertising their services in the Yellow Pages! So which is it? Were illegal abortions unsafe & reponsible for the death of thousands of desperate women? Or were they done safely by the same men & women who, after legalization, continued to perform the same procedure? Same people. Same procedure. Yet it is dangerous on Jan. 21, 1973 & safe on Jan. 22, 1973. Does that make sense to anyone???
Lifer, well said!!
Also, in the animated video, during the part where the “girl is waiting in the alley”, they forgot to put the DOCTOR’s name on the door in the alley.
Most “back-alley” abortions were performed by your friendly, neighborhood M.D. (can I get a “d’oh” from the PC side??)
Moving to self-induced abortion is more than just about making money.
It effectively reduces or removes liability issues – “it’s not our fault she didn’t follow the protocol we prescribed”. This takes the provider off the hook and makes it much harder for negligence charges to stick. I’m sure there’s been a huge number of expensive lawsuits they’ve had to deal with over the years.
Planned Parenthood, in oral arguments before the Supreme Court, has conceded certain procedures are inherently dangerous, and in later term abortions delivery and dispatch was preferred. Tearing apart a child within a womb is dangerous in terms of punctures etc. Earlier medical abortions, running at the same rate, but with potentially lower liability risk by the abortionist, is a lesson they’ve learned.
If they can concoct a way out of liability using a cocktail or tele-med abortion, they will.
They’re trying to create a corpse, the way they did with Rosie Jiminez — http://cemeteryofchoice.wikispaces.com/Rosie+Jimenez
Terrific point, lifer, and thanks for the Calderone quote. (Remarkable how they’ve changed their tune).
Physicians were actually getting very worried about the number of abortions they were committing illegally by 1973. They didn’t want to face prosecution. And it just so happened that a Supreme Court Justice named Harry Blackmun was close to physicians’ organizations and wanted to help. Blackmun wrote the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade legalizing abortion. It wasn’t the women so much he was interested in saving, it was the doctors. (I recall reading this in the Woodward-Bernstein book about the Supreme Court, The Brethren).
“Who stole her coat!??”
Half the young people seeing the first ad have absolutely no idea what it means.
Gosnell and Pendergraft were both legal – that still doesn’t change what they do or how they do it, or that they, among many others, are completely depraved, vile “doctors”. Both ads imply you’re a victim at the hands of the GOP, but the reality of abortion is – you’re a victim of your own choice.
When a woman seeks an abortion, she wants to kill her own defenseless child. There’s no difference between her humanity and his, only in their size, level of development, environment and degree of dependency.
It’s immoral to kill innocent human beings. It’s a betrayal to kill those who depend upon us.
They want the choice to kill their own defenseless child?
Second, medical abortions have brought us full circle. Pregnant mothers are back to DIY (Do-It-Yourself) abortions, with increasing calls from the abortion industry to make the pills available in areas without medical help if something goes wrong.
That’s what I don’t get about people advocating abortion pills. Wasn’t the whole point of legalizing abortion supposed to be so women could have them with a doctor and a full range of medical care? So women wouldn’t be alone, trying to physically do something to themselves when they didn’t have the medical knowledge to deal with the potential consequences? This is just insane.
This “coat hanger abortion” defense for legal abortions has got to be one of the worst proabort arguments I’ve ever heard; I mean, it’s laughable really. Using the logic that if it’s illegal, people will still do it anyways, we are now required to legalize theft, murder, all illegal drugs, rape, sex trafficking… the list goes on and on.
Also, I just can’t bring myself to call anyone who performs abortions a “doctor.” It’s just too contradictary. Aren’t most doctors paid to save lives?
Plus, question: even if lots of women do live in areas without easy access to abortion, don’t a lot of people have to travel to have surgery or medical appointments? My grandfather, in his late eighties and early nineties, had to take a lot of hours-long car trips to the Mayo Clinic for appointments about his legs (diabetes + WWII shrapnel = lots of pain and eventual amputation). I have a friend whose mother had meningitis when she was pregnant with her, which resulted in my friend’s being born with her jaw fused and unmoveable, among other problems. She lives in England and she had to come to America to have surgery to fix her jaw. If abortion is supposed to be so “safe, legal and rare,” it should be rare enough that there aren’t abortion clinics on every third corner.
Also, who in America lives in a place so far from an abortion clinic that they can’t get to one by getting in a car and driving for, say, six hours? I suppose this is a problem if you’re fourteen years old and don’t have a driver’s license…