Award winner has warm fuzzies for the late Dr. Tiller
2 years ago was the meeting where I received my copy of the new NAF textbook. For fun, I decided to pretend it was my high school yearbook and to ask all of the authors and editors at the meeting to sign its covers.
Dr. Tiller was the only non-author or editor whom I asked to sign my textbook, because he meant so much to me that I wanted him to sign it anyway. He drew a heart with an arrow through it and wrote, ” My history is written on your heart. Your importance is written in the souls of the women you have helped. George R. Tiller 4/27/09”
… I think about Dr. Tiller and the many things he taught me every day. I quote him and I’ve played excerpts from his speeches… when speaking to medical students, so that they also can learn from and be inspired by Dr. Tiller’s words and his work.
~Dr. Eleanor Drey, recipient of the 2011 George Tiller, MD, Abortion Provider Award from Physicians for Reproductive Choice, RH Reality Check, May 26
[Photo via pslweb.org]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Creepy.
I never understand those who fawn all over Dr. Tiller and call him “brave.” Um, what? He was killing innocent, defenseless children; in most cases he was doing so legally, and in the cases where he was doing so illegally, his best friend the governor convinced authorities to look the other way and ignore the women who died at his hands.
How is that “brave”?
“Courage in the face of adversity?” The man was a murdering thug.
A very creepy quote from Tiller. Written on your heart? What a perverted attempt to “borrow” from the word of God. His work is written in the souls of the children he killed, and indeed, the souls of the mothers he wounded. God have mercy on him. He knows the truth now.
I’m surprised instead of the arrow into the heart he didn’t draw a skull and crossbones labeled syringe…
“Abortion Provider Award”???
“And the award goes to: Dr. Eleanor Drey! For killing the most babies latest in their mother’s pregnancies! (applause)”
Good grief..that’s just sick! Sick and EVIL!
Pamela,
That’s what I thought. I thought abortion was supposed to be this horrible choice for women, a very sober, serious thing that was supposed to be “safe, legal, and rare.”
But they are giving awards to butchers “doctors” who kill the most – and the most late-term? Despite deaths of the mothers that they have caused? What!?
I think you can imagine why someone would call him brave for doing a job that resulted in repeated death threats and condemnation. You can say he was immoral, and you can say he was evil, but I don’t think you can say he didn’t have courage.
sick. I believe he is burning right now for all the innocents he murdered.
I dunno, Hal. I wouldn’t say he had courage. I’d say he had AUDACITY. Not really the same thing. And sure, he was subject to threats and hate mail….and while I do not believe in threatening people or sending hate mail, he was putting himself in a position where he was killing babies. Brutally dismembering them and throwing them away. Making a LIVING off of this, in the name of….what? “Choice”???? He wasn’t saving lives. He was doing something that disgusts most rational people.
Hal, I don’t see the courage in Tiller’s legacy. He aborted lateterm human fetuses, several of which were viable. Maybe (hopefully) he was kind to the mothers, but to kill a very small human being who can’t defend himself or herself against the abortionist isn’t brave at all.
Yes. He da man.
http://thegeorgetillermemorial.org/
Maybe it’s just semantics. Some people got bent out of shape when about whether or now the 9/11 hijackers were “cowards.” The better view, imo, is that although they were reprehensible and evil, they were not cowards.
I see what you’re saying. I suppose there is a difference between audacity and chutzpah and real, virtuous courage…..but it can be two sides of the same coin. Eleanor Roosevelt was both brave AND audacious (I love ER!). Still, I think the nature of Tiller’s awful “work” is what put him in such a horrible position, and that’s his fault. He wasn’t offering pap smears in third world countries, or developing a vaccine, or anything life-affirming. He was killing babies. He brought it on himself.
Here is a baby Tiller couldn’t manage to kill.
Sarah
http://www.truthtv.org/abortion-facts/evidence/survivors/sarah-brown/
Hal,
Destroying the powerless, the defenseless, is not courage. It’s brutality and oppression. He wasn’t even picking on people his own size. He picked on tiny babies. There’s no courage in that whatsoever. The fact that he received death threats (and ultimate was murdered himself) only made him a “heroic” martyr, first in his own mind, then in the minds of all pro-aborts. Let’s not confuse imaginary grandeur with courage.
Calling Tiller ‘brave’ for working in the face of having received death threats? Is that a sick joke?
Because it was the babies (and some of their mothers) who faced not merely death threats, but death itself.
So, when will Kermit Gosnell be getting HIS award?
Now, murder is wrong, even if you murder a murderer and I have to say that anytime we talk about this butcher because some idiot had to go and shoot him and set back the pro-life cause and make abortion fans see him as some kind of idol.
Oh, and for you abortion fans out there who’ve been offended by my calling you ‘fans,’ please go ahead and re-read the Quote of the Day and see how Drey behaved. Drey behaved like a fan. An abortionist and an abortion fan. Fanatic.
Did the hi-jackers sneak attack planes full of armed prepared Marines, or inocents simply going about their day, with no malice in thier hearts, and without any means to protect themselves.
Did the Doctor kill a fully grown able bodied and armed adult, or innocents simply going about their day, without any malice in their hearts and without any means to protect themselves.
What exactly is the difference?
This person idolizes Tiller.
Evil is the correct term.
Evil is now eulogizing evil.
I get tired of hearing about how “brave’ these abortionists are.
They are making good money off of late term abortions. I’ve never seen a poor abortionists. In fact, they generally live in the nicer parts of town. Gosnell lived in the suburbs, far away from the lower-income black women whose babies he butchered.
Do you really think Tiller would have done these grisly procedures for free? And I’m sure that he wanted the money up-front.
Meanwhile, NAF et al. are trying to shut down pregnancy alternative centers, which offer free, life-affirming alternatives.
It is indeed a crazy world we live in.
Absolutely bizarre. I’m appalled that there is an award for this. It tells you the way these “scholars” are thinking. It’s disgusting, disconcerting….words can not discribe the evil.
I think mentally he was a very sick man and the manifestation of his mental issues drove him to kill. And I also think that any abortionist has to fit some type of killer profile. I also hope that they make it a law that a doctor who does abortions has to identify himself as such so if a woman chooses to have them involved in her healthcare at least she will have a better understanding of his or her mindset.
mama3
Evil is now eulogizing evil.
I think it’s more like sick is now eulogizing sick.
Cassie – No the man was MURDERED by a THUG!
Ninek – Courage is standing up for what your beliefs in the face of violence, being shot by a crazy women, healing from those life threatening injuries, buying a bullet proof vest/truck and then standing right back up for what you believe in only to be gunned down by a lunatic in your own church on Sunday in front of your family…
In Wisconsin this week a man was arrested in a hotel room for accidentally discharging a firearm. When police entered the room the man had maps and plans laid out along with a bunch of Anti-choice materials. The police questioned him and he admitted that he was planning to start killing abortion providers across the country. He was immediately recognized by the local women’s health clinics as a frequent “Sidewalk Counselor” outside their clinics. He is now facing federal charges and is being held by the FBI.
Now stop and think outside the abortion issue for just a minute if you can and ask yourself… Is there anyone in a hotel room planning to murder you and your co-workers because they politically disagree with your place of business? Is it not courage to continue to go to work and face these threats every single day knowing that you have a family waiting for you to come home later?
Look Abortion is a debate in this country and generally speaking the country is split over the subject, however I think we can all agree that what happened to Dr. Tiller and other doctors as well as the bombing of women’s clinics is using violence to make a political point more commonly known as terrorism. The level of hyperbolic rhetoric used by anti-choice organizations is a direct causal link to this type of violence.
It is this side of your movement that keeps your cause out of the mainstream because while the question “is abortion murder” is debated all around our country, this type of terrorism is against what all Americans stand for. Anyone defending these people out of one side of their mouth and claiming to be “Pro-Life” out the other side is clearly conflicted. It is hypocritical to only defend the life they feel is worth defending and passing judgment on others.
How can you call yourself Pro-Life while cheering and calling for the death of another man or woman?
“And the award goes to: Dr. Eleanor Drey! For killing the most babies latest in their mother’s pregnancies! (applause)”
“But they are giving awards to butchers “doctors” who kill the most – and the most late-term?”
That is not what the award Dr. Drey was presented with is for.
Courage is standing up for what is Good, not just what you believe.
If that the definition of courage was simply standing up for what one believes in, then terrorism of all sorts (including prolife terrorism) would be courageous.
If Tiller was brave because he stood up for what he ‘believed in’, then so was his murderer Scott Roder, who also stood up for what he ‘believed in’. The fact is both men destroyed human life, and in Tiller’s case many, many lives.
Sadly, Tiller was a man who used medical knowledge as a doctor to destroy half of his patients. I have no doubt he believed in what he did. And I have no doubt the girl and boy fetuses who died at his hand suffered terribly. That’s why he wasn’t courageous- he destroyed in innocent in cold blood.
Kramer, please!!
We in the pro-life movement don’t have some idle political disagreement. We’re not concerned about philosophizing. We are concerned with ending the slaughter of innocent children. Abortion fans don’t see it that way: they see murder as a convenient way to get rid of “something” and have decided that if they want to kill you, they can just say you aren’t really a person.
You also know, Abortion Fan, that 99.999% of pro-lifers are non-violent. You want us not to lump all the abortionists in with Kermit Gosnell, but you’re perfectly content lumping us in with murderers like the guy who killed Tiller. You are enormous flaming hypocrites. People butcher innocent children and you all smile and hand them trophies. SICKNESS.
Mary Ann – What is good and what is bad is entirely subjective and you do not hold the patent on what is good or bad. I believe Dr. Tiller to be a very good and brave man. Courage is not just standing up for what you believe, it is facing violence and murder even after you have felt that violence first hand and continuing to stand up for what you believe in right up until your last breath.
Mary Ann are you condoning the murder of doctors? Are you happy a man was killed in cold blood in a church in front of his family? Are you advocating and promoting terrorist activity in the USA? Are you not concerned about anyone’s life other than fetuses? You guys like to say we Pro-choice people don’t care about life and we have a culture of death… What culture do you live in where you advocate and support murderers and the bombing of women’s clinics? How much death have you caused or supported in America. If you would like I can give you a list of the murders you support and cheer for… It’s a long list.
Ninek – Where have you seen a Pro-choice person supporting Gosnell? I am not equating you with a murderer like Scott Roder. I am asking why you support him and people like him? Reading the comments on this post you would think it was a Doctor murder cheerleading camp. Also you continue to spit your hyperbolic propaganda that is causing these crazy people to pick up a gun or bomb without remorse. I understand that 99.99% of anti-choice people are non-violent but I sure see a lot of support and cheering for that crazy 0.01% on these blogs…
This just goes to show the incredible level of deception that permeates this industry. They have lied to themselves so much that they actually believe they are helping people and can’t imagine why we protest so. It’s the “turned over to a reprobate mind” thing. Part of me gets very angry at them but then part has a burden to pray that the veil be taken off before they have to spend eternity reliving scenes of all that they have done. It’s infuriating and pathetic all at the same time.
Of course they live in the nicer parts of town, they are DOCTORS. Most doctors live in nicer areas of their respective cities. Their income reflects the level of skill, intelligence, and education needed to perform their jobs.
Abortion providers’ courage has nothing to do with how much money they make…they provide a necessary (LEGAL) medical service to women often at very great risk to themselves. They are my heroes.
Can an award for rape and robbery providers be far behind?
“What is good and what is bad is entirely subjective and you do not hold the patent on what is good or bad. I believe Dr. Tiller to be a very good and brave man. Courage is not just standing up for what you believe, it is facing violence and murder even after you have felt that violence first hand and continuing to stand up for what you believe in right up until your last breath.”
IMO this description could fit someone like Bin Laden perfectly. He obviously believed what he was doing was right; he just wanted to defend Muslims against Western tyranny. And he was violently killed because of it. Would it be fair to call him a “very good and brave man” since good and bad are so subjective and all that?
“Can an award for rape and robbery providers be far behind?” – what’s that got to do with anything? Totally irrelevant.
Biggzs
And the little men and little women are being murdered by licensed thugs. And why don’t you want to be associated with Gosnell. Gosnell just carried his psychosis are whatever they call it a little further. Gosnell did basically what other abortionists did he just decided to start a collection. The others didn’t have time they thought it better just to threw them in the trash. And now thanks to politicians who hopefully will soon be replaced they’ve progressed to incinerators. And then the pro-choice side has the audacity to cry foul. No what is foul is the stench of babies that are being killed across our country in the name of freedom and liberty. Of course fear is what the pro-choice crowd is about. And the mantra is pro-lifers must be accepted by standards set by pro-choicers. Please, when you’ve revised your standards and are on the other side of 50 millions are whatever the death toll is then you can preach standards. If you don’t want to be associated with Gosnell than stop endorsing what he does.
Myrtle, it’s irrational to say that pro-choicers HAVE TO support abortion providers that are unsafe. I support SAFE legal abortion, and dr gosnell proved himself to be a bad doctor, and should not be respected by either side of the argument.
Mike
They are your heroes because your not the one facing their depravity. Let them start burning you or puncturing your skull or tearing your limbs apart and your opinion might change. And of course there are the ones who survive the abortion that are left to die. That’s not a hero that’s a sorry excuse for a human being.
Myrtle- I was a baby once! I totally support the idea that had my mother not wanted to have me that she could have aborted me.
Mike
Use your own mind and think about what is being done. First of all no abortions are safe they kill babies. When a woman life is truly at risk they can deliver the baby and do there best to save mother and child. If a woman is raped the solution isn’t in killing babies it’s making the consequences for rape more serious. Any individual that is old enough to be an adult knows that nine months is not a long time. If a woman decides she doesn’t want the baby she can give it up for adoption. Those are real solutions. Why in your opinion is Gosnell different from other abortionists? Because he collected their feet. Gosnell just gave a face to what abortionist do. They mutilate babies. They deprive human beings of life. They glorify death, they kill and they get paid to do it on the dime of people who do not even support it. And then should people have the courage to say anything they are told they are the ones with issues. No, the ones with issues are the ones who think that there will not be consequences for cry of the innocent that fill our land. That’s my idea of rational. It’s called kind rational where everybody gets to live and those who don’t want to be inconvenienced by their own actions get to grow up.
Mike
My mom was 43 when she had me. The doctor told her she was too old to be having babies. When she told me that story I knew that his words really hurt her. My mom lived to be 81 and had a very full life. I’m very glad she gave me life. So I’m not sure why you would be o.k. with it if your mom had aborted you. Even if you were o.k. with that you don’t have the right to decide if other babies would or would have been allright with their mothers having that type of power over there lives. Maybe your saying you love your mom so much it would not have mattered but it’s not enough to say I love someone, as a human being you have a right to be loved in return.
Biggz
I doubt seriously that pro-lifers cheer the death of abortionists. I know I would have much preferred he spend some quality time in jail. But speaking of lists, when you do decide to compare don’t forget the 50 million babies killed by your peace loving friends. And maybe some laws can be passed to ensure that when babies are aborted a certificate of death must accompany the death and the type of torture used in killing the pre-born. Then when you make your lists you can write the type of death the baby faced and when you reach I don’t know the millionth death and still advocate for the killing of babies then you can go get some quality therapy for yourself.
@Mike
” Myrtle- I was a baby once! I totally support the idea that had my mother not wanted to have me that she could have aborted me.”
I have heard that line so many times and it makes me want to hurl every time. It’s such an easy thing to say with absolutely no way to back it up. I could say that I would have been “fine” to be born a two headed calf but that doesn’t mean that I have any way to gauge the reality of living that life. Likewise you have no way of gauging if you would be fine to be murdered in your mothers womb.
“I would have been fine with it if my mother had aborted me.” No, you wouldn’t have been “fine” with it or “supportive” as they were ripping your arms and legs off or sucking you through a vacuum hose. Anyone who says they would be fine with with that is delusional.
Ditto, Deanna!
I totally support the idea that had my mother not wanted to have me that she could have aborted me.
Your life must suck.
accidentally double-posted.
You morons have NO clue about Dr. Tiller.
But, keep believing your b.s.
Jill Stanek et al profit from your being duped.
Biggz, I do not support the violent killing of Tiller. AND I do not support all the violent killing that Tiller did. I’m reposting so you can reread what I said.
The fact is both men (Roder and Tiller) destroyed human life, and in Tiller’s case many, many lives.
Sadly, Tiller was a man who used medical knowledge as a doctor to destroy half of his patients. I have no doubt he believed in what he did. And I have no doubt the girl and boy fetuses who died at his hand suffered terribly. That’s why he wasn’t courageous- he destroyed the innocent in cold blood.
While the nation remains divided on abortion, very, very few people are comfortable with late-term abortions. Only the smallest minority of hardcore abortion supporters would consider Tiller a hero. If that’s you, fine. There are fewer people who think like you every year as a result of ultrasound technology. People are working for a compassionate world where women can advance without the violence of abortion.
Oh, and
Oh, and remind me of the differences between Gosnell and Tiller. I can think of two:
1) Tiller had a cleaner office and exam rooms.
2) Tiller didn’t save the remains of the boy and girl fetuses he killed by abortion.
They were both gross and heinous late-term abortionists. Gosnell was simply more gross and heinous.
Well then Peter,
Why don’t you enlighten us “morons” as to the true nature of Tiller.
Let’s keep in mind people also have “warm fuzzies” for dictators, tyrants,sex offenders,serial killers, and murderers.
Brave is to speak LIFE to those who love only DEATH.
Tiller was a death dealer. So was his murder. What would the proabort crowd say to a compromise? No on gets to kill ANYONE AT ANY stage of life! Why wouldn’t pro-aborts be THRILLED with that?????
Yeah, you only want to kill the easy ones. How BRAVE (sarc)!!!
@MAryAnna
“Oh, and remind me of the differences between Gosnell and Tiller. I can think of two:
1) Tiller had a cleaner office and exam rooms.2) Tiller didn’t save the remains of the boy and girl fetuses he killed by abortion.
They were both gross and heinous late-term abortionists. Gosnell was simply more gross and heinous.”
You are exactly right. There was so difference in the two, other than the fact that Tiller did it the “legal” way by killing them a few seconds earlier . They are the same.
I do not think Tiller was a coward, but I do think he was a monster worse than any serial killer or child molester. Tillers murder was certainly wrong, but I feel more in my heart for each baby he killed. I think Tiller was an adrenaline junkie like many other abortionists, the adversity and threats actually feed the high. I wonder how many abortionists would lose the taste for their work if they were all on Propranolol and Chantix, without the chemical reward reality would quickly creep in giving them a full nightmare of cognitive dissonance.
I never saw once on this thread that Dr. Tiller “got what he deserved”. No prolifer said that, you proaborts are putting words into people’s mouths. Don’t you think that prolifers would have rather had Dr. Tiller stop killing and switch sides instead of murdered?! That would have benefited the prolife cause much more.
@BethanyJ
Like the late Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who actually died a hero! :)
@Peter “You morons have NO clue about Dr. Tiller. But, keep believing your b.s. Jill Stanek et al profit from your being duped.”
According to this Kansas department of Health report there were were almost 3000 (2969 to be exact) abortions in the last 10 years prior to Tillers death on perfectly healthy viable babies. Not surprisingly the year after his death there was 1 and that one had anencephaly. This shows without question that he was murdering viable healthy babies for no reason whatsoever. Furthermore, the report goes on to say that these were NOT emergencies to save the life of the mother. They were elective. The statistics reported by the abortionist (mandatory under Kansas law) require a “reason” for the abortion. On every one of them he reported ”
The patient would suffer substantial and irreversible
impairment of a major bodily function if she were forced to continue the pregnancy” as the reason. As we all know this includes the “mental health” of the mother (i.e, it makes her nervous). Since they were clearly not emergencies then it is obvious that they were for “mental health issues” or at the very most non life threatening reasons. The total number of late term abortions doubles this figure to around 6000 with the other half being reported by the abortionist as “not viable”. So, in all probability the total number of viable babies is most likely much higher. But, at any rate 3000 viable babies killed and he is a hero?
No Peter I think that we know enough about him to understand perfectly that he made a living killing babies for no reason except money!
http://www.kdheks.gov/hci/absumm.html
Here is an in depth study of Tiller’s work.
http://www.abortionessay.com/files/Tiller.html
And…According to Peggy Jarman, spokeswoman for Dr. George Tiller, who specializes in late-term abortions in Wichita, Kansas:
“About three-fourths of Tiller’s late-term patients, Jarman said, are teen-agers who have denied to themselves or their families they were pregnant until it was too late to hide it.” [Kansas City Star]
Biggz, Adair makes a good point. By your standards, Osama bin Laden was a courageous man, because he stood up for what he believed in despite threats and opposition. Do you believe ObL was courageous?
Peter, I’d also like to see proof of our alleged delusions.
JoAnna – No he doesn’t. He is just trying to apply my words to Bin Laden as a hyperbolic deflection. Rather than think about what I am saying he just wants to be combative with his false equivalents.
Over and over again just in this thread, I see comments like “He had it coming” “He put himself in that position” “He is burning in hell” I just can’t believe the amount of judgment going on in here over a man that was murdered in cold blood. I get it you guys don’t care about anyone’s life that has been born. You don’t care about the doctors or other clinic staff, You don’t care about the scared/grieving families of the clinic staff and you don’t care women and their rights, just the unborn fetus. It is like a cult of fetus worshipers in here. It is really sick.
You realize that you guys are talking and thinking way outside of what Jesus was teaching right? You might reread your bible and pay attention to the parts about forgiving and not judging other people as it is not your place. You know that the 10 commandments are an individual mandate from god to each human about how he expects us to behave right? That there is no need for any person on earth to try to enforce his laws as he makes those decisions on a higher plane with access to more information that any earthly human could know. God had access to every thought and feeling that Dr. Tiller ever had in his life and without that information how can you judge someone. It is god’s job to judge and punish and nobody on this earth has been charged by god to carry out his justice.
I disagree with that entire last paragraph in my own personal beliefs but the way the some people on this blog act you would think they have never even read the bible. Jesus says that we should care for and take care of all people including ones you do not agree with and even murdering criminals. It is not a Christian thing to do when you cheer for Bin Laden’s death as he will be judged by god and no one else.
FYI this failure to practice what Jesus preaches is what pushed me away from the Baptist Church I used to attend and where I was baptized. Christianity has a real problem actually following God’s plan.
I find Atheists much more consistent in their beliefs and without hypocrisy as we have no mandate from a higher power we just do what we think is right.
Bigzz@ You mistake telling the truth for “judgment”. This has become the common mantra for people who are challenged on their actions. “Don’t judge me, don’t condemn me, be nice to me, etc etc”. It happens every time someone is called out on something. I went back and read all the comments on this article and frankly I didn’t see anyone judging or condemning. They were stating true facts, some maybe sarcastically, but still true. The man was a gross, obscene, evil baby killer who does not need to be idolized by anyone and he probably is in hell for what he has done. Did I just judge him? No, I stated the facts of the situation. As Christians we are told to judge righteous judgment. That means, don’t make stuff up, tell the truth but tell it right. Judge fairly! Jesus never told us to not stand up for what is right. If you saw someone shooting up a schoolyard full of kids you would say he was a sick demented evil person that needed to be locked up. Would you be judging him unfairly? No you wouldn’t you would only be stating the truth. So are we!
Deanna – The man was a gross”judgment”, obscene”judgment”, evil”judgment” baby killer”judgment” who does not need to be idolized by anyone”judgment” and he probably is in hell for what he has done”judgment”.
That is six judgments in one sentence…
You seem to be confusing the laws of men with the laws of god. In the school yard scenario you used, Jesus would tell you to turn the other cheek because violence is never the right answer. Under the laws written by man we can pass judgment on him and punish him accordingly but under gods 10 laws the very first one is “Thou Shalt Not Kill” so you would not be justified in god’s eyes to dispense his justice. That is his job alone.
You see Deanna you cannot state all the facts of the Dr. Tiller case because we do not know all the facts of the case only god does. Standing up for what you believe in is just fine until you pass judgment on another person.
It is ok to say “I hate abortion and I think it is evil.” It is not ok to say “I hate that abortionist because he is evil.” Only god knows what is truly in his heart and can determine him to be evil or not. There is a very fine line here and rhetoric that steps over that line promotes violence. It would do the Pro-life movement two tons of good publically if they respected that line in the sand.
“Let’s keep in mind people also have “warm fuzzies” for dictators, tyrants,sex offenders,serial killers, and murderers.” – and war criminals like George W, don’t forget them.
Oh man Reality…. just a FYI the whole G.W.B. is a war criminal is fighting words on this blog. lol I agree that anyone who engages in torture is in fact a war criminal but it is a touchy subject with this crowd lol
Good luck man lol
Speaking of war criminals Reality,
Let’s not forget Obama ordering the bombardment of Libya. Any idea if Obama ever got approval from congress? Exactly what did he hope to accomplish, “protectection” of civilians or regime change? Maybe he was too busy enjoying Rio to give it much thought. Oh yes, I forgot, Obama is a toady of the United Nations and has no responsiblity for ordering American forces to bomb.
Bigzz @ “The man was a gross”judgment”, obscene”judgment”, evil”judgment” baby killer”judgment” who does not need to be idolized by anyone”judgment” and he probably is in hell for what he has done”judgment”.
Again, those are not judgments. baby killing is gross and obscene and evil!
I also know that he killed healthy viable babies. That is all I need to know to know that he was wrong. I am not afraid to say so and it is not judgment to say so.
I mean seriously, what do you want us to say? “That sweet godly man helped rid those women of the products of conception? I refuse to lie to myself! He was what he was, the dregs of society just like Hitler and PolPot. There are bad people in the world. It is very sad to God and sad to me but that doesn’t change the facts.
Also, “Under the laws written by man we can pass judgment on him and punish him accordingly but under gods 10 laws the very first one is “Thou Shalt Not Kill” so you would not be justified in god’s eyes to dispense his justice. That is his job alone.”
I didn’t kill him,nor did anyone on this site. Neither do I condone his killing. However, I can’t say that I am sorry that he is no longer killing babies.
Biggz,
It was ‘torture” that pinpointed OBL and made your guy Obama a hero.
I would more accurately describe torture as slicing someone’s head off with a dull knife as they scream in agony and terror. That’s our opponents Biggz. Learn what real torture is by observing them.
“Let’s not forget Obama ordering the bombardment of Libya.” – no, he didn’t.
“Obama is a toady of the United Nations” – ah, that comment explains your denial of George W’s guilt.
Reality,
Who ordered American forces to bomb and why was Congress so upset if Obama didn’t give the order?
I said nothing about any denial. You’re the one who insists Obama acts on the whim of the UN, i.e. a toady.
Biggz:. “I get it you guys don’t care about anyone’s life that has been born. You don’t care about the doctors or other clinic staff,”
Biggz: “You realize that you guys are talking and thinking way outside of what Jesus was teaching right? You might reread your bible and pay attention to the parts about forgiving and not judging other people as it is not your place. ”
Biggz: “You don’t care about the scared/grieving families of the clinic staff and you don’t care women and their rights, just the unborn fetus.”
YA, WAY TO NOT JUDGE THERE BIGGZ.
Biggz: “It is like a cult of fetus worshipers in here. It is really sick.” Hypocritically Biggz: ” God had access to every thought and feeling that Dr. Tiller ever had in his life and without that information how can you judge someone. It is god’s job to judge and punish and nobody on this earth has been charged by god to carry out his justice.”
Ok Biggz, we’ll follow ur example and not judge others. Lol. And of course we will listen to your personal interpretation of the Bible and the words of Jesus cuz u know so much more about it. Whatever.
Biggz r u sure ur not a really a pro-lifer posing as a pro-choicer just to make our jobs easier?
Biggz
Most people aren’t aware of this when I came across it in the bible I was kind of surprised and thankful. On the aubject of swords Jesus’ first set of instructions to them was if they had a sword to sell it. His second set of instructions was that if they didn’t have a sword to go out and buy one. That is a clear indication he expects Christians to defend themselves. Hope this helps.
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typo: subject not aubject
What an amazing man he was. He loved and cared for Women more than any anti-choicer could even claim to. He put his life at risk, and paid the ultimate price. Perhaps you should all educate yourselves on the facts surrounding his life and his work. Feeling good about his death makes you all HYPOCRITES.
He loved and cared for Women more than any anti-choicer could even claim to.
He murdered (morally, not legally) thousands and thousands of women. How does that show his love? Unless you mean it in some sort of weird dark Gothy love. That makes sense then.
@Ashtar, I posted his life works. He killed many thousands of viable healthy babies. What else is there for us to know about him that will make us swoon at his name like you guys do? ALSO not ONE person said the felt good about his death. What we said was that he was evil and a baby killer. If you know something about him that will erase that please enlighten us.
There is no way that a man that hacked up babies for a living was honorable or good or sweet or anything else besides cold hearted. Have you ever seen a late term abortion? You should go check out a video of one. There is one on my blog under the “Reality Sucks” tab or more on You tube. You should go watch them and remind yourself that he did this many times a day for years. He pulled babies that could live outside the womb apart by their limbs and crushed their skulls. So tell me, what is good about that? And what part of saying that this is bad makes us hypocrites? It is bad, it is horrible, he was a cold mean evil man to do this. I hate that he was that. I hate that he got duped into being that. It makes me sad for him. But it does not change what he was and we simply refuse to honor a baby killer. Period!
Remember how it was argued that Tiller saved the lives of women facing life threatening situations? Since Tiller’s death, has the maternal death rate soared?