Breaking: Two new black pro-life billboard campaigns launched in major cities
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Today , on behalf of the National Black ProLife Coalition, spokesperson Walter Hoye announced 60 “BLACK&BEAUTIFUL” billboards have been placed in the Oakland, CA, area.
The campaign is being sponsored jointly with TooManyAborted.com. It was Ryan Bomberger with TMA who originally launched the first black abortion genocide awareness campaign only 16 months ago with the hugely impactful “Blacks are an Endangered Species” billboards.
Even the pro-abortion group Guttmacher Institute admits, “In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women,” despite the fact African-Americans only comprise 12.9% of the population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
TMA and NBPC today posted the first of 3 new superb but tragic videos to drive home the point that abortion in the black community is a genocidal “epidemic”…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YYw0_dRqQk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Also today, Bomberger announced a new billboard campaign is being launched in metro and downtown Atlanta, GA, in conjunction with Juneteenth, the day blacks and freedom lovers celebrate the abolition of slavery. Beginning tomorrow, 50 of the following billboards will remind all “how Roe v. Wade has made a mockery of Civil Rights history by offering destruction and bondage instead of possibility and freedom,” according to his press release…
Bomberger reported that two other signs will be going up in July in as yet unnamed major metropolitan areas. One billboard company rejected these hard-hitting signs, but another has accepted them…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Somehow, some way, the pro-aborts are going to claim that calling black babies “beautiful” is racist.
Just shoot me now.
I hope the picture of the baby they used has “permission” this time. Although, the NY billboard did not violate any laws by using the picture, I sure hope we don’t go through that kind of noise again.
Well, “racist” or not Kelsey, the baby on that billboard sure IS beautiful! ;)
WOW! All four of those billboards are awesome! Very powerful. I hope they go nationwide.
@Pamela – yes, that is a gorgeous baby!
My son and his girlfriend brought over my grandson — he is still so tiny, but I am impressed with the loving and gentle way my son interacts with him. Maybe the birth of this baby will help him become more responsible.
the video is awesome! very nice. and I imagine effective.
That kid is adorable. I’m glad he/she got to live.
I don’t agree with the premise of the billboards or the website, though.
There is no “genocide” against black or Latino/a or any other minority race. “Family planning” clinics tend to be in poverty-stricken neighborhoods, which are unequally minority inhabited. This is because of the simple fact that poor women and families likely feel more desperate and unable to carry a baby to term. You can make the argument that abortion providers target poor people, which are more likely to be minority, but saying that abortion is attempted genocide against the black or any other race is disingenuous at best, or racist in itself at worse.
If you want to help reduce the amount of minority women who have abortions, there needs to be a greater effort and family support targeted towards poverty-stricken neighborhoods. This inflammatory type of rhetoric focused on race isn’t helpful.
And don’t even bring up Margaret Sanger and her hideous ideology. She died years ago and her views don’t reflect those of the pro-abortion crowd. They seem to genuinely think they are helping people, even if that isn’t true. Painting the opposition in untrue and inflammatory ways is not going to win any hearts and minds to the truth about abortion.
The Black is Beautiful billboard is the RIGHT message delivered in the RIGHT way. Bravo! I applaud it and urge more of the same.
I wish I could be as supportive of the other campaign billboards that use a slavery metaphor to sell the message, but I can’t. In my opinion, it is simply an ineffective tactic to “market” the pro life message to the black community by essentially reminding blacks that they were once slaves and insinuating abortion makes us slaves once again. That approach says to me that for the creators, they are more interested in selling their moral outrage than they are in successfully persuading a larger and larger number of blacks to come to a different consensus on the issue of abortion.
I’m convinced that if the pro-life message were a product and you sat down with a professional marketing person and asked them if a marketing approach which conflates abortion and slavery together, reminds blacks they were once slaves and tells them abortion makes them slaves again is the right way to sell them the pro life view, they would tell you no, its not.
This rhetorical approach in my opinion smacks more of self righteousness than it does care and concern for the loss of children in the black community to abortion. I have always considered it the wrong tack to take. The Black is Beautiful billboard is the right approach and the right tone. Telling blacks in essence that they are slaves again is not. Why? Because slavery is a painful element of the past in the psyche of blacks and for all that our ancestors and elders survived it, often heroically, there is great shame attached to it. It was a period of horrific human degradation and essentially telling people they are being degraded in such a way presently is not the way to sell the pro-life position. I think this rhetorical approach makes people angry and uncomfortable with the insinuation that they are slaves and degraded, NOT uncomfortable about their position on abortion.
If you were trying to appeal to or persuade women who had been raped to some point of view, you would probably not use imagery to make your case that insinuated that they were being raped again. I think people would find that very awkward and uncomfortable to say the least and would avoid doing such a thing. I would argue that the National Black Pro Life Coalition and Too Many Aborted are making their case to black America in just such an awkward and uncomfortable fashion when they use billboards which conflate slavery and abortion.
Now, I can hear the immediate counter argument, which is that this is genocide and if people have to be made uncomfortable, so be it. I can understand that point of view, but I think the tremendous emotionalism in this issue is actually the enemy of effectiveness when it comes to making the case to the black community. I’m NOT arguing that the analogy between slavery and abortion is not a cogent one. I AM arguing that it is an ineffective analogy to use for purposes of persuading blacks to the pro life point of view. Its possible that it could be used effectively to make the case, but I have yet to see it done in a way that does.
So the question is, do you want to be emotional, right and self righteous, or do you want to win the issue in the long haul? NBPA and TMA should pound away on the issue with the Black is Beautiful approach and dispense with the slavery allusions. Its an ineffective tactic that does not help persuade blacks to the pro life point of view.
Hi Jack,
Knowledge is power.
http://www.maafa21.com/
This movie has changed my views forever.
Political Season – I have a question:
In general, will more blacks be persuaded by imagery or rational arguments?
I know this comes down to individuals, but it’s also a matter of making inroads. It’s simply not possible to present a sound rational argument as quickly and directly as an image which appeals to emotion and self-interest.
You said the Black & Beautiful is the right approach – but why (& how) do you think that will make a serious impact?
Another day, another stupid race-baiting anti-abortion advertisement that will totally backfire and leave the white suburbanite conservatives responsible for it wondering why their patronizing billboards are not being welcomed with open arms by the inner-city blacks they are attempting to save from themselves. After all, what tightly-knit cultural, racial or ethnic minority wouldn’t appreciate the efforts of an outside majority group coming in and politely informing them that they are the victims (and, logically speaking, also the perpetrators, since black women are voluntarily getting abortions) of “genocide”?
Still waiting on the efforts of pro-life groups to also tackle the issue of fast food restaurants setting up shop in predominantly urban and minority-populated areas and selling cheap, unhealthy food to the people there which will directly lead to high rates of obesity, diabetes, heart and liver problems, etc.
Political Season
I don’t think most people use the comparision to be hurtful . Of course there are people who understand the psychological impact of the comparison and use it for that very reason. The best way to disempower an individual is to remind them of when they had little power. Thankfully, this is no longer the case. What I find exciting about all of this is that the black community is being proactive and letting their voices be heard. I think an approach that would work as well is to have a billboard that had a picture that showed an individual from embryo to elder and the caption could read life is beautiful in all of it’s stages and seasons. What are your thoughts?
New slogans about the same old lie….
So abortions numbers are based solely on race? Poverty has nothing to do with it…
Stop lying to yourself and others…
There is no racial genocide in this country and by spinning the facts in this way you are trying to insight racial hate and violence to further your own political ends…. truly pathetic!
HI Joan,
Walter Hoye and Ryan Bomberger are both African-American. Maybe you should address your rant to them instead of white suburbanite conservatives.
Hi Biggz,
What is truly pathetic is your continued comments here.
Walter Hoye and Ryan Bomberger are both African-American
Beat me to it
Carla,
I have already watched that movie. Didn’t change my mind. I have also researched the issue. I don’t think angry rhetoric and holding the abortion supporters of today responsible for the views of some of their founders is responsible or truthful. It’s ridiculous to take information from a time where racism was a given and try to paint people today with the same brush. Most whites from that time were either blatantly or subtly racist. I stand by the fact that POOR women are more likely to to get abortions and minorities are far over represented in poverty, especially female minorities.
And Joan, I am neither 100% white or a suburbanite, and neither are a ton of pro-lifers, so you might want to ammend your argument there.
JackBorsch.
I am sorry to hear that. African Americans are waking up to the fact that they have been targeted by PP. They are taking the lead and I applaud their efforts!!
What angry rhetoric are you talking about? Yours? Mine?
Sorry but I will never buy the line that racism was a given to justify racism “back then.”
It is ridiculous to try and deny the origins of what you support. Deal with it.
Some babies are beautiful no matter their color. Some babies really just aren’t quite so beautiful.
I find the statement “In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women,” despite the fact African-Americans only comprise 12.9% of the population” a bit odd.
“the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women” – ok.
“African-Americans only comprise 12.9% of the population” – ok.
How does “despite the fact” fit in there?
Carla – what is pathetic is your use of disinformation. Can you honestly say that abortion numbers by race are not affected by poverty levels of said race? Are you saying that the most common reason for a woman to have an abortion is not because they do not think they can afford to raise their first or another child?
Poverty rates in America by race…
White 13%
Black 35%
Hispanic 34%
Abortion rates in America by Race (CDC)…
White 10.8%
Black 32.7%
Hispanic 22.5%
Notice how abortion number rise and fall with the poverty level of each race…
You know better Carla, it just does not support your side of the argument so, you cherry pick facts to make a false accusation and that is truly pathetic.
Carla,
I don’t support Planned Parenthood or any clinic that supplies abortions. What gave you the idea I did?
You would be surprised how many movements, industries, and companies were founded by those with hideous racial and political ideologies. A lot of American companies supported the Third Reich and supplied them with supplies and equipment, are their owners racist today? The Mormon church had some interesting policies toward minorities and women, doesn’t mean they do today. The US itself had racism and sexism written into the Constitution. That doesn’t mean squat about Americans today. It doesn’t make any sense to associate people living today with the ideologies of yesterday, unless they themselves hold them.
By “angry rhetoric” I am speaking about this whole genocide idea. It’s inflammatory and untrue, and incites hatred and mistrust.
Biggz,
Is that what I do? I didn’t realize I was doing that. Good grief. You give me too much credit.
Jack,
I am not sure what gave me the idea that you support PP. Hmmm.
Every child a wanted child. Every unwanted child a dead child. It was as true then as it is today.
And again why not address Walter Hoye and Ryan Bomberger or maybe Alveda King?
They support this whole genocide idea.
I am going to follow their lead.
“I am not sure what gave me the idea that you support PP. Hmmm.
Every child a wanted child. Every unwanted child a dead child. It was as true then as it is today.”
For the record, I would love to see Planned Parenthood de-funded and the number of elective abortions reduced to zero. To say that I support PP because I disagree with the portrayal of their supporter’s efforts as “genocide” is completely untrue. I can be opposed to an organization and still support persuading people without appeals to emotion and disinformation.
Did I say that I disagreed that they were killing distinct human beings? No, they are. I just don’t think that the majority of pro-choicers see it as anything other than helping the mother. The ones I have spoken with deny that the baby is a distinct life yet, they don’t seem to realize it is a living distinct child. Not evil, misguided. I am sure there are plenty that are out there for the money, or for racism, or whatever, but the majority seem to be horribly misguided people who are otherwise no different from you and me.
I try not to characterize those who disagree with me unfairly. It isn’t a particularly effective way to get your point across.
@ Chris Arsenault
I think blacks (like anyone) can be persuaded to a particular point of view by imagery and argument or a combination thereof.
I think the black & beautiful billboard campaign is the more effective approach because it focuses on the key issue: “this baby’s life is a beautiful gift from God, don’t kill it”. It holds up the image of a beautiful child to an abortion supporters view and asks the question, how could you kill this? Its appeal is very simple, direct, and cuts the issue clearly and manages to pack an emotional punch while doing it.
In contrast, the slavery allusions muddy the waters and attempts to do too much by trying to get the viewer to see slavery and abortion as the same thing, then to see themselves as being enslaved if they support abortion. The ads say “if you support abortion you are a slave”. Calling a black person a slave is a shaming thing and I think that taking that tack in these ads only engenders resistance, because a black person’s innate, visceral, emotional first reaction to being told they are a slave in some way is going to be “I ain’t nobody’s %&$#@ slave”. This is my reaction as a black person and I don’t think I’m untypical in this regard.
The problem with the slavery allusions as a marketing tool to me is that you get that reaction and response first and you don’t really get people examining their views about abortion. They kinda of get stuck on the insult of being called a slave and resisting that, and don’t get engaged around what they think about abortion.
The folks behind this campaign are black, so I know they understand this and clearly believe that making people uncomfortable in that way is a way to make an impact on the issue and I don’t doubt that some people have been dissuaded away from abortion in this fashion. But I think the approach is much less effective than the black & beautiful approach. The “your’re a slave” approach makes you want to resist it and the opinion its trying to sell. The black & beautiful approach is irresistible because there is no counter argument to the plea “don’t kill this beautiful black baby”.
JackBorsch
To say that all individuals who work for planned parenthood are knowingly practicing genocide would be inflammatory. To say after reading Margaret Sangers statements that Planned Parenthood as an organization practices genocide is just conclusion based on fact. Just google Margaret Sanger and then google legal definition of genocide. According to the United Nations defintion of genocide thats what Planned Parenthood practices when there implementing Sangers policies.
Biggz
I’m not really good at math but when you look at the numbers I think you’re just assuming that all minorities that abort are economically disadvantaged. I don’t think this is the case which makes the numbers when intepretated correctly even more telling. Of course I’ve referred you to Margaret Sangers statements and I believe I even provided the link for the legal definition of genocide so maybe you’ve crossed the line to willfully ignorant of the facts. I don’t have a problem with that but when you intentionally try to make those who state the facts look like alarmists then that’s just hypocritical.
Again, Margaret Sanger’s views and opinions on why she started PP are not applicable today. I know very well she was a bigoted eugenicist, she probably would have wanted me and my kids wiped out because we are interracial (well, ethnically mixed, as Latino/a isn’t really a race). I just do not think it has anything to do with today’s practices. Henry Ford was a HUGE anti-Semite, supported the Nazis and got rich off of them, and the Ford Motor Company was used to fund the anti-Semitic eugenics movement. That has absolutely zip to do with Ford today. I don’t see the relevance. Again, PP’s are targeting poverty-stricken vulnerable women. That is hideous in and of itself. I don’t see why we can’t focus on helping poor women, whatever their race, help chose to keep their children alive. It is certainly more likely than some billboards to help people.
Myrtle – I am not assuming anything. I just listed the numbers and as you can see “bad at math or not” Poverty levels and abortion numbers curiously similar. This shows that race has nothing to do with increased abortion number but rather poverty does.
Of course not all women who have abortion procedures are in a poverty situation but rather as one race sees more poverty they also seek more abortion services.
Alarmists would have you believe that there is a 100 year old Margret Sanger conspiracy to weed out less desirable races from the American populace thru use of abortion and birth control…
If you want to believe that then there is nothing I can do to stop you just as I cannot stop Ken from being a Birther despite all the actual facts… This is America.
However the actual facts and statistics on abortion, poverty, and race show a much clearer picture of why minorities have more abortions that white people in America.
There is a difference between being rich and being wealthy. Oprah is a very rich Black woman but she could not hold a candle to people the Bill Gates or the Rockefeller’s.
Just an after thought… how many abortions has Oprah had? Must be all the money huh?
@Political Season. I truly appreciate your perspective. As with any opinion, we all have them, and at times, they’re enhanced by being exposed to a little more information. The correlation of abortion and slavery is accurate on many levels. Most notably, with this Juneteenth campaign, we highlight how one of the Reconstruction Amendments (the 14th) was twisted and distorted by Justice Blackmun to justify Roe v. Wade in his majority opinion. The amendment that finally ascribed full humanity to black people (like me) was contorted to somehow strip away humanity from another class of people.
The Civil Rights fight in America has been a continuum. Dehumanization of blacks did not stop with the Emancipation, nor did it end with the Reconstruction Amendments, nor did it cease as a result of the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Black Americans plight has been one, too often, on the defensive. Eugenics is the thread that ties the continued racial animus toward blacks from Slavery through today (i.e. eugenics-based social policies of Jim Crow, anti-miscengenation laws, Sanger’s Birth Control crusade, and today’s population control). It is the single-most dehumanizing, government-subsidized (since the passage of the Family Planning and Population Research Act of 1970) ideology that threatens the well-being of the black community. There is no freedom in the disintegration of the black family, increasing poverty, over 70% fatherlessness, exponentially rising STD and HIV rates, and a culture that is fed death as a solution to these disparities. Abortion IS the disparity. And if dependence upon it does not bring freedom, it brings bondage. History is crucial and should not be ignored, no matter the pain it might inflict. We have a Jewish Holocaust museum in DC, not to obscure an inexplicably horrific moment in history, but to remind us of what evil can result from the devaluing of human life and using death as any kind of “solution”.
Jack, Biggz and Joan,
Ryan Bomberger is here. I am sure you have some questions for him.
Jack you are 100% right!
Hugo Boss designed all the Nazi uniforms for Hitler.
Walt Disney was a huge anti-Semite as well.
Heck our founding father took a vote to decide what language would be the official USA language and English barley beat out German.
In the years leading up to WWII there were Nazi sympathizers running around our country taking up collections in bars and pubs for the support of the Nazi movement against the Jews…
It is all history and after WWII we all saw the mistake in this line of thinking and where it eventually leads…
To try to use racism as a political tool today is just irresponsible and that is what this black genocide campaign is trying to do…
Ryan you are assuming that unborn fetuses are a class of people… By what definition do you come to this conclusion?
It is only twisting the 14th amendment if in fact you can define unborn fetuses as a person first and then as a class of people.
This is an incorrect and dangerous assumption.
Also, if abortion is holding down the black community then why is it not holding down the white community? You sir, of all people, should be able to see the correlation between abortion numbers and poverty levels in our country. So, the question is not why are more black people seeking abortion services than white people, but rather why are black people still the most impoverished community in this free country?
Abortion is not a solution to fix all the problems facing the black community. Equality and opportunity is the only thing that can help. In this regard abortion is a non-issue and you are picking up the wrong standard to carry in this fight for racial equality.
@Ryan Bomberger
I don’t make the argument that the conflation of abortion with slavery, or with genocide is not a cogent one. My argument is that for purposes of marketing the pro life position in the black community, its a far less effective argument to render in a billboard campaign than the Black & Beautiful approach.
Genocide and slavery are heavy duty emotional touchstones, but their use in a billboard campaign to me simply feels like using a howitzer to swat a fly. I know that analogy won’t sit well with you (or me, really), because abortion is not a small thing like a fly, its a huge, honking moral atrocity of an issue. But my issue is being effective and using these themes in this way in a billboard campaign seems ham handed and lacking in deftness. It feels like overkill, like extremely heavy handed emotional manipulation. You do want to manipulate people’s emotions to win the issue of course. I simply submit that if the target of the manipulation spends more time resisting it because it tries too hard to wring that emotional response, you’re not getting the job done.
I think the billboards using the slavery allusions are much less effective a marketing tool for the pro life message to the black community than the black & beautiful billboards. I think if the pro-life message were a product for sale and you brought in marketing experts to develop a campaign, I don’t think they would advise this approach as the most effective. I’d actually be very interested in the opinion of a group of marketing pros on this very point. I’d be interested in the results of focus group testing of the two different billboard campaigns for effectiveness.
I support your goals, we have a difference of opinion over whats the most effective tone of the messaging. I think your Black & Beautiful campaign is a hit. I think the slavery themed campaign is a miss.
Reality
Later hopefully the mathematicians who post here will be able to answer your question in detail. A mathematician I am not but I will make an attempt. Suppose you went into a city and learned that 70 percent of their population was caucasion 15 percent African American 10 percent Latino and 5 percent American-Indian. And then you seen a study that showed that the poverty level was twice as high for American-Indians then the rest of the population. So of course you could make the statement that despite the fact that the population was largely not American Indian, poverty still affected this group disproportionally.
@ Myrtle Miller
Thanks for visiting my blog and commenting too! Makes my day.
I have to disagree with your response to Jack. The international legal definition of genocide does not describe Planned Parenthood’s activities. Emotionally, sure, but factually, no. See the following:
The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
“Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
Another day, another stupid race-baiting anti-abortion advertisement that will totally backfire and leave the white suburbanite conservatives responsible for it wondering why their patronizing billboards are not being welcomed with open arms by the inner-city blacks they are attempting to save from themselves. After all, what tightly-knit cultural, racial or ethnic minority wouldn’t appreciate the efforts of an outside majority group coming in and politely informing them that they are the victims (and, logically speaking, also the perpetrators, since black women are voluntarily getting abortions) of “genocide”?
So you don’t realize that Ryan Bomberger, who posted above, and Walter Hoye are both black. :|
I don’t usually talk about race. I’m white, so I don’t always know what I’m talking about. But, especially because I’m never going to have the experience of being black in our culture, when I see those people who do have that experience telling me what that means for them (using, say, a billboard, for example), I’m going to give them credit for knowing more about what that’s like than I do. And when I see abortion apologists criticizing these billboards, it seems like it’s mostly or entirely white people doing it. So I am struggling to understand how it could be okay to tell a group composed mostly of blacks how they are or are not allowed to feel about the impact of abortion on their own race. I saw this happen on the thread about the Unidos por la Vida billboards as well. The billboards are created by Latinos for Latinos. A number of Latinas on this blog expressed support and agreement with the message. Then CC came along and essentially said they were racist for feeling that way.
I am white. I don’t have to deal with racism ever, really, and I recognize that. So maybe I feel more strongly about this than I should, or I am speaking out of turn. However, when joan says something like what she did, or CC as she did on the other thread, it really bothers me. Isn’t it horribly racist and offensive to assume you can tell a black person how they are allowed to feel about blacks and abortion?
Another sad fact that is relevant to the rate of abortion among blacks is that the rate of black illegitimacy has risen to over 70%. In the 1940’s it was around 11%. Now it is over 70%. The family unit among blacks is in terrible danger all around. It is tragic. It baffles me why black leaders in America aren’t screaming about this.
Thank You Political Season. That is the point i have been trying to make but because I am a Pro-Choice person anything I say is discounted as baby killer talk….
As I have stated before I would like to see an end to abortion as much as the rest of you I am just not willing to take away the hard and long fought for rights women have sacrificed for in this country.
I wish that all American women would choose a different solution than abortion but I refuse to take that choice away from them. Making your own choices is freedom by definition.
Jen – That is the result of a whole host of problems in the black community and moving into other ethnic communities as well. It is folly to scream about the effects while not acknowledging the causes.
This also can be laid at the feet of poverty and the lack of opportunity.
Ryan Bomberger
I think the imagery and simplicity of the campaign make it very effective and I think as long as you continue to show people the price that abortion exacts and present just the facts that the tide will change.
Biggz
I imagine if poverty did have feet he or she would ask that you not lay your feeble excuses near them.
I don’t think my question has much to do with maths myrtle.
Political Season
Google the legal definition of genocide it goes into greater detail. Where they fit the definition is imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The definition goes into greater detail than I will but it involves policies if you read what Sanger had to say about the economically disadvantaged, the African American community and other groups as well and her statements on the Negro Project than look at where the clinics where placed originally this goes into policy. Another way they target the African American community is they like to set up shop in schools that are predominantly African American and hand out contraceptives when questioned and asked if they were also going to do the same in schools that were predominantly Caucasion they suddenly had a change of plans. I read this recently I’m not sure if with those wanting to do this at the schools were planned parenthood but it’s still against the law. The definition of genocide also goes into policies. I wasn’t surprised as to planned parenthoods motives because I use to listen to a lot of Christian radio but it’s good to know that the United Nations established a law a long time ago that said this type of behavior was not acceptable. Of course individuals who are employed by Planned Parenthood, I would think the majority do not have an agenda, but those who run it no doubt are very familiar with Sangers views on eugenics. That there are African Americans that take issue with Obama I’m assuming you take issue with him because you refer to yourself as a reluctant republican and/or support pro-life issues makes my day.
Biggz, poverty is the reason too many black men don’t stick around to care for their children? Poverty is the result! Poverty is the reason women are having out-of-wedlock babies from different fathers? Poverty is the result! There are surely many factors contributing to the destruction of the black family unit. Abortion is definitely one of them. The solution is for men and women to start making better, moral choices regarding sex and relationships! Marriage first. No architect in their right mind would build a house without a foundation. The family unit in America is crumbling because we can’t be bothered anymore to lay a foundation.
Poverty is the result.
@ Biggz
There isn’t a Black community which doesn’t have at least a convenience store which sells condoms, so I don’t want to hear this whole “poverty” excuse.
(Yes, I’m Black if anyone wants to know.)
Reality
What do you think was meant by despite the fact?
Jack,
Have you seen Maafa 21?
Joan: “Still waiting on the efforts of pro-life groups to also tackle the issue of fast food restaurants setting up…”
Hell, I’m waiting for you to volunteer every single night as designated driver at the nearest bar.
Er . . . you ARE against drunk driving, aren’t you?
So I guess, consistent with your logic, I’m “waiting” for you to tackle that issue.
What a ridiculous argument (or whatever it is), Joan. “Bob likes cards, as demonstrated by his long nights playing pinochle with the lads. But this love of cards will be proven a sham unless he invests his time in whist and poker as well. If he loves cards so much, why isn’t he playing those games too? Huh? You obviously don’t like cards as much as you CLAIM, do you Bob?”
“Barb’s a big philanthropist — or so she claims. But she’s only donating those huge amounts to ONE charity. Some philanthropist! She obviously has no idea how needy the world really is, or she’d be investing in many more. What a hypocritical ass she is!”
I’m so happy with everything that’s happening. I’m going to write a poem.
I think I hear the sound of music babies resting in their mothers’ womb unafraid and unfettered by the worries of their nation or community.
Living in their mothers womb.
Waiting for their life to continue.
I think I hear the sound of music, expectant music made by every beat of a babies heart.
I think I hear the sound of music rolling across our land on billboards and CPC centers and pro-life marches and debating on pro-life blogs.
I think I hear an orchestra of life beating and pulsing and saying try to stop me if you dare.
I think I hear the sound of music.
In my opinion: slavery puts the lives (the whole life!!)of people to the will of some one, so it does abortion!! the big difference is that Abortion has only one intention: Death!!!
the slave has no word to say in his/her life neither the Aborted!!
De-Human Laws protect and promote slavery so it is for abortion!!
Pro lifers are NOT Trying to Sell a product!!! WE are trying to stop INJUSTICE!!
Jack,
It’s too bad that you don’t want to hear about Margaret Sanger, because we here will never let the world forget about her Negro Project. As for numbers, Planned Parenthood operates 78% of their centers in black neighborhoods (blacks are 12.3% of the U.S. population). That looks an awful lot like targeting to me.
It also isn’t race-baiting, as Joan also claims. You weren’t there at the New York City Council hearing on Bill 371, which seeks to cripple CPC’s. I was, and I gave the testimony about Planned Parenthood and their numbers. I was there to hear PP and NARAL complain about OUR presence in the inner-city. I read on NARAL-NY’s site how they want us closed down, and heard them say as much at the hearings.
The centers that offer social services, prenatal care (PP admitted that they don’t do pre-natal care in NYC), clothing, diapers, parenting classes, etc, are the ones PP wants shut down. They want to be the only act in town. You sound foolish beyond description here, Jack. You are way, WAY out of your depth on this one. I’m fighting these murderous parasites on the front lines in NYC, which is the abortion capital of the nation.
The answer to poverty isn’t death, it isn’t tearing babies apart, limb-by-limb. It isn’t delivering all but the head of a five-month old fetus, jabbing scissors into its neck and sucking out its brains. Nobody who is even remotely pro-life would ever argue as you have here. The mask fell off today, Jack.
The ethic of slavery is that the worth of a person is established by others. Dittos for abortion. A putative mother can decide whether her unborn child is a blessed event — or medical waste. Dittos for slaveholders — they could free their slaves at any time. Or not.
For pro-choicers, a woman is only authentically free if her unborn child is no more than a slave, its value a matter of massah’s choice.
It’s a free market, folks, where everyone bids what they think this piece of flesh is worth!
@Myrtle Miller
I think you’re simply wrong with this line of argument Myrtle. I understand your perspective because I share it. Abortion and genocide seem to you and I to be equally morally reprehensible acts. And as pro life proponents, we analogize the two in the effort to raise the sensitivity level of people, to drag from people the same level of repugnance to abortion that they respond to genocide with. I get that.
However, the problem that arises in couching the argument that way to someone who is pro life is the one you are running into with Jack, namely that the claim that PP activities meet the international legal definition of genocide is factually incorrect.
You asserted to Jack that Planned Parenthood’s activities fit the legal definition of genocide in this way… “Where they fit the definition is imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”.
I would say the key word in the above sentence you used is “imposing“. PP is not imposing abortion on the black population. Indeed the sad reality is that blacks are “choosing” abortion and availing themselves of Planned Parenthood services to effectuate their choices.
Genocide is a crime, and as such has an internationally accepted definition that lays out what the elements of that crime are. If you dragged PP into a criminal court and charged them with the crime of genocide, the case would be thrown out on the grounds that no crime has been committed because their activities do not fit the definition because they lack the both the elements intent and action.
I think your argument to Jack fails with regard to the intentions of the people who run PP as well. As a person who is pro life, I do not believe at all that the people who run PP ascribe in any way shape or form to the racist eugenics views of Margaret Sanger. I think its a gross distortion to suggest that they do. The sad reality is that quite the contrary, they believe that they are assisting people in the exercise of inalienable rights. I think the sad reality is that they reject the premise that an unborn child is a human life which should be afforded protection and the presumption that its life may not be summarily taken. They believe, (because it suits their worldview) that there is no moral imperative to treat an unborn child as a human life and that the unborn can be summarily killed for any reason.
They are not motivated by racism, but rather by a worldview that does not recognize any moral boundaries which would or should limit or constrain the choices of women (who bear children) and men as it relates to bearing children they have conceived and taking responsibility for the life that has been created, whether that’s raising the child or making it available for adoption by a family that would raise it.
They operate from the selfish premise that we should be able to do what we want to do and be able to escape the responsibility for our choices.
So, it comes back again for me to a question of what is effective. Accusing PP of being genocide proponents may be accurate in terms of the moral repugnance of their work, but its not factually correct that their activity fits the agreed upon definition of genocide as a crime and so undercuts the argument. In the same fashion, accusing PP leadership of being racists with eugenic designs on the black population is inaccurate and incorrect and also undercuts the argument. They simply refuse to accept the moral boundary those of us who are pro life do. The artifice they use to do it is to convince themselves that an unborn child still in the womb is not human.
As pro life proponents, our task is to make people see that unborn child in the womb as every bit a human life as one outside the womb and worthy of the same respect we accord humans outside the womb. This is why I argue to Ryan that the slavery themed billboard campaigns are less effective. They are essentially off topic. The real issue is that people shut their eyes to the humanity of unborn children in order to go through with killing them. They know its wrong, which is why most who undergo an abortion feel the pain of regret for having done it. But we do it anyway, because we don’t want to be responsible for the choices that resulted in conceiving a child. Thats the key issue. Trying to convince people its slavery isn’t the most effective way to make the argument in my opinion. As a marketing tactic, its being used because the target of the message are black people, and the imagery of slavery will evoke a visceral response. But its like using Holocaust imagery to sell the pro life position to Jews, or rape imagery to sell the pro life message to women who have been raped, etc, etc. Its playing on imagery that has meaning to a particular group but that gets you off the essential issue of the humanity of unborn children and moral wrongness of killing them.
My feeling is that we should sell the pro life argument with tactics that drive home the fundamental issue of the humanity of unborn children and pound away at the idea that it is wrong to kill our babies because having and raising them, or having and putting them up for adoption is too hard. Arguing to people that abortion is slavery/genocide is an attention getter, a conversation/controversy starter, yes, but I think it becomes distraction and sideshow to the real debate, which is the fundamental moral question of whether or not it is right to kill our unborn babies when it suits us because we can.
Myrtle, the insertion of the phrase “despite the fact” appeared to be attempting to create an impression that there are five times as many African-American abortions in the US than ‘white’ abortions. Yet the statistics showed that African-American women have five times as many abortions per head than white women.The phrase falsely linked two separate and independant statistics.
The vast majority of rural supplies stores are located in non-urban areas Gerard. Is that ‘targeting’? Or could it be supply and demand?
The article says African-Americans are 12.9% of the population, which one is it.
Much respect Political Season.
Thank you, Political Season. You are more eloquent than I am trying to express how I feel on the matter.
Gerard, whenever you respond to me I get the feeling you think that I am pretty dense. I am an uneducated dropout, but I am not an idiot. Yes, I have seen Maafa 21, as I stated before. I am well aware of Margaret Sanger’s policies and ideas, as I stated before. She was a hideous woman, she would have probably wanted me and my children exterminated on the basis of ethnicity. She sucked as a human being. Planned Parenthood was founded on a horrible ideological basis. I am sure that all the higher ups at PP are also aware of her ideology. They operate on a horrific ideological basis now as well. It simply isn’t a genocidal one. I think it is harmful to the pro-life movement to state that it is. I think it is more poverty related than anything, based on what I have seen.
Why do people think I am defending PP? They are awful. They kill desperate women’s children to make profit for their company. They (as Gerard stated) want to shut down CPCs that allow women to keep their children. They need to be cut off from funding, and hopefully when abortion is criminalized they can be shut down for good. I simply think that empty rhetoric about a hundred-year-old out-dated ideology is a ridiculous argument to stand on. We have plenty of moral, ethical, religious, human rights and legal arguments for why abortion needs to be illegal. We don’t need scare tactics, race-baiting and misinformation. That is less than helpful (possibly even harmful). Please remember that not everyone in the pro-life movement is going to agree on the best way to go about ending abortion. We are all entitled to our opinion. I think these billboards and these arguments are the wrong way to go, just as I think sidewalk counseling and picketing tends more towards the ineffective end of the spectrum. Others disagree, that’s fine too. We are all on the same side here.
And Gerard, that is a hideous accusation. I just noticed you accused me of being pro-abortion in your second post. Just because I disagree with you about this issue doesn’t mean I support killing unborn children. What exactly is your problem with me? That I think that most pro-choice people are misguided and lied to rather than evil? That I am not a Christian?
“But there was little evidence that abortions had made black children unusually endangered. The fertility rate, or births per 1,000 women of childbearing age, among black women remains higher than the national average and has inched up in recent years, according to C.D.C. data”
Genocide?
“There are those who believe they should control Black women’s reproduction like during slavery. They believe in population control and use false compassion for children to disguise a racist and sexist agenda. Our opponents are manipulative, zealous, and immoral. They lie using religion as a cover. They try to use combination of guilt and force to undermine our human rights. They manipulate our history, our concerns about medical mistreatment, and our real collective pain about genocide and slavery to spin stories about Black women being the stupid pawns of doctors. They claim that Black women can’t be trusted. They accuse us of practicing genocide on our people when we stand up for ourselves”
Black women speak.
And while Dr. Nadal claims that 78% of Planned Parenthoods are in minority areas, Guttmacher says it’s less than 40%. In my state our wonderful Planned Parenthood is on the edge of the city in a chi-chi artist and business district. This area borders on a black neighborhood but it also borders the Brown University “east side.” The nearest Planned Parenthood in CT is in Killingly – hardly minority.
“There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts. . . . Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her”
Words of Martin Luther King, Jr.
The slave masters wanted the slave women to breed – just like the pro-life movement which wants to force all women to be contented breeders. It’s the “pro-life” movment that seeks to enslave women.
Jack’s post at 5:15 yesterday – one of the finer posts I’ve read on this board.
I think we need a total pro-life bill introduced – ban abortion, increase school and college funding, ensure people have access to health care, and get some smart people thinking about how to strengthen family units across all levels of income.
Here’s a start – raise taxes on the top income brackets and give a bigger child tax cut.
@ PoliticalSeason
“it”? “this”?
Try using “him.”
Most people don’t connect the very earliest stages of human development with a child’s humanity, never mind the newborn. Your own use of pronouns objectified the child in a way we don’t normally address human beings. Maybe their dead bodies, but not living human beings. Sadly, even the word “baby” doesn’t immediately bring to mind a “person” due to the pro-choice mantra.
Objectification makes abortion possible – because doing so isolates those humans into a non-human status. Objectification is critical to slavery.
Such shoddy thinking permeates our whole culture. It’s too easy to miss the major point without introducing a high contrast emotional shock that triggers serious discussion.
Focusing only on the beauty of young life avoids any high contrast – and any serious discussion. Agreement is almost automatic. Yes – what a beautiful child. A beautiful wanted child.
Without some way to penetrate the cultural norm, you’re merely advocating the visual equivalent of the “health of the mother” clause in Roe.
Without the slavery component – something that triggers the “why do you say that?” you’d render the billboard campaign ineffective.
(Ryan – another billboard idea: When is “it” human? )
Support abortion? No. Having an abortion enslaves.
I spoke at length with a young black teen who suffered an abortion – one which she candidly admitted she didn’t want to have, but was heavily coerced by her boyfriend and family – her step mother, her older brother. The step-mother forced her abortion. This girl looked me in the eye and told me she didn’t know if God would ever forgive her for what she did to her child.
Abortion is definitely self-enslavement, but many are culturally coerced. A “choice” is never made under perfect circumstances, and often under extreme duress. Demanding abortion is a form of manipulation every bit as painful as enslaving someone.
The slavery allusion works both ways – the pro-choice side uses the slavery metaphor indirectly to talk about “reproductive freedoms” – which is nothing more than a severing of relationship to the man and his child via the death of the child. The child is depicted as nothing more than shackles between a man and a woman – again objectified.
I think the advertisements served their purpose – they certainly engaged you.
My question is now – what are you going to do about abortion?
@PoliticalSeason
@JackBorsch
See - one doesn’t even have to leave the comment thread to find objectification of the child, and painting of the opposition in untrue and inflammatory ways. I present CC @ 6:35:
BTW Jack, CC helps poor women keep or “kill” their child as they see fit.
In fact, she’s a specialist at that, and quite proud of her accomplishments.
She makes her living “helping” women to make such choices as a counselor for the poor.
CC: If nurturing one’s offspring is “enslavement,” then one dramatic problem with pro-choice is that it cannot express its rationales without recourse to language utterly alien to what all humanity has always known about maternity.
Dittos for descriptions of the fetus as a parasite or a cancer (replete with allusions to Alien).
When a movement makes recourse to language intended to alienate us from our own offspring by marginalizing and demonizing them — and when this is most acute in language referring to the mother/child relationship itself — you (YOU) have a problem. Because “going there” goes against all human intuition.
Which is to say that your own intuition is defective. You’ve sacrificed what’s best about your mind in support of a prerogative you only have in positive law, but utterly lack in natural law. In constructing yourself, you’ve disassembled your own soul.
Since when should a woman be “forced” to nurture her own child? I recall when feminists told us that the attribute of nurture was what broader society needed writ larger than patriarchy permitted; nurture needed to move off the reservation of the mere domicile into the boardrooms and statehouses.
But a funny thing happened on the way to this future; the architects of this aspiration were shown not to be concerned with nurture as much as with power. They weren’t out to complement a dominant patriarchal culture; they elected to compete on its terms and embrace what turned out to be merely human, not patriarchal, vices. Ambitious womanhood was shown to be just another instance of fallible, weak, and power-hungry humanity — no different than ambitious manhood.
And the highest evidence of this is that feminism transformed the maternal relationship itself from one of nurture to one of power and competition. Instead of bringing nurture to society, this strain of feminism brought the worst of what they’d called patriarchy — exploitation — to the womb. Indeed, abortion can be viewed as the ultimate case of “having men by the balls,” almost literally. “Reproductively empowered” women would control the fate of a man’s offspring. If a man valued his own progeny against the feminist exercise of power expressed in a choice to abort, this value was morphed by this feminist semantic engine into misogyny. Love of child was pitted against the autonomous self. Obligation to the child was expressed as enslaving the mother. The architects’ own view of the child as property was projected onto men; their love of child can only be an expression of viewing mother as slave — and so for anyone else who esteems the child and denies the prerogative of womanhood to destroy its own progeny at will.
I could go on. But really, it becomes an exercise little different than an autopsy of something out of The Thing. Pro-choice feminism — as opposed to other strains that haven’t abandoned their own humanity — is a freak of nature that alone should be aborted.
Rasqual, bravo! That was an excellent post. Abortion is the most anti-feminist thing in existence, and the demonizing of our babies should bring us to our knees in sorrow. It is nothing to be proud of.
What a great dialogue we are having here today. Some Guy, Political Season, welcome!It’s nice to see more African Americans here. Nice blog, PS.
@Jack and Political Season, you make some good points. I do think the slavery billboard is a bit “in your face.” I love the “Black is Beautiful” billboard. I wish it also had a number where women could call for help. Many black women feel that they have no option except to abort. They do not realize that there are options available (yes, I’m talking about the e-vell CPC’s). Very few black women feel that adoption is an option.
I was once talking to a young black woman outside of a clinic and she said “no one wants my black baby.” This broke my heart. This is simply NOT TRUE! Older children do take longer to place but many do get adopted.
@CC — “Black women speak” — well I’m a black woman and I’m prolife. We do not all feel the same on this issue.
As for poverty causing abortion — I’m not sure about that. There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that it’s not poor black women having abortions. My daughter went to an HBCU (historically black college or university) in ATL and at least two of her classmates had abortions (one at six months) and they came from middle class families. And Some Guy is right — it’s not that hard to go to a corner store or drugstore and get some condoms.
As a social worker, I think that black women are more likely to engage in unprotected sex and also engage in riskier sex than white women.
@Ex-GOP-we need a total pro-life bill introduced – ban abortion, increase school and college funding, ensure people have access to health care, and get some smart people thinking about how to strengthen family units across all levels of income.
Word.
Thank you, Ex-GOP.
“I think we need a total pro-life bill introduced – ban abortion, increase school and college funding, ensure people have access to health care, and get some smart people thinking about how to strengthen family units across all levels of income.”
I agree one hundred percent. Maybe we could find a pro-life Democrat ;)
“See - one doesn’t even have to leave the comment thread to find objectification of the child, and painting of the opposition in untrue and inflammatory ways.”
Yeah, I really don’t like the way people talk here sometimes, pro-abortion or pro-life. Even pro-lifers are getting nasty to each other, notice how Dr Gerard accused me of being pro-abortion because I don’t agree with his point of view on the “genocide” thing.
@rasqal,
I like the black is beautiful board, I’m just not agreeing with the genocide argument. I don’t think the conflation with slavery is going to help either. Too easy for people to brush off as rhetoric rather than notice the reality of abortion. The cute kid on the black is beautiful billboard is a great reminder of what is happening in an abortion, you are killing a kid.
CC, what in the world are you babbling on about? Pro-lifers are slave masters? I am a slave master if I would rather my wife not kill our developing child? Or that I don’t want my daughter to be able to go off and get an abortion at 12 without me knowing about it or having any recourse to prevent my grandchild from dying? Please explain further.
Jack –
There are two things in play here, and I’d be responsible for some confusion I think. I’ve long held to the abortion-as-slavery thing on the grounds of the value of human life being an extrinsic question to positive-law pro-choice folk, as opposed to its possession of intrinsic value to those who hold to natural law (and we all know that natural law is hopelessly out of vogue; still, we dinosaurs are not extinct).
I agree with the general critique here, though, of appealing to particular demographics’ unique concerns in doubtful ways. Aaron/Alaine’s remarks (and yours, and others’) are insightful.
My own interest in the slavery thing is philosophical and, honestly, metaphysical. This is opaque and a source of puzzlement, I’m sure, to our strictly materialist friends.
rasqal,
“ I’ve long held to the abortion-as-slavery thing on the grounds of the value of human life being an extrinsic question to positive-law pro-choice folk, as opposed to its possession of intrinsic value to those who hold to natural law (and we all know that natural law is hopelessly out of vogue; still, we dinosaurs are not extinct).”
Yes, emotionally and ethically I agree that abortion and slavery are equivalent. I also think child abuse is equivalent to slavery and abortion. Making distinct human beings “unpeople” able to killed at will, only allowed to live at the behest of others… where have we seen this before? The problem I have with the slavery conflation is effectiveness. I would rather not undermine more effective pro-life measures being taken.
Philosophically, yes, you are probably correct. I naturally think pretty utilitarian and abortion cannot even hold up under that pretty ruthless school of thought. There simply isn’t a good reason for abortion.
I think that one thing that turns many black people and other minorities off to the pro-life message is its association with Republicans and conservative Repulicans at that. We know that not everyone in the movement fits into these two groups, but whenever there is someone speaking for prolife on television, it’s often some conservative white Republican. Not that I think that they are bad people, but let’s face it — most black people are Democrats and are distrustful of Republicans to say the least (for the record, I’m an Independent). The perception among many in the black community is that Republicans are racists who do not care about minorities. of course, not all Republicans fit this mold, but some do.
I really like ex-GOP’s suggestions because they show that there are prolifers who DO care about social issues and providing opportunities for all, no matter what color they are.
Reality: The numbers match up for poverty/abortions in the white and black people groups, but not Hispanic. So there’s more involved than just race.
I tend to agree with Jack–that the slavery analogy is not the way to “sell” our message. But I’m also not going to tell blacks how to talk to blacks.
The difference between Ford and Sanger is that Ford didn’t found his car company with the express intent of making cars that would run over black people. Sanger founded PP in order to kill black babies, in part. I’m not convinced it is a racist organization today, but there’s a difference there. Disney goes out of its way to market to a diverse population of little girls who want to be princesses. I don’t think anyone would be surprised if they did a version of Esther to have a Jewish princess. I don’t think that the company’s policy has ever been antisemitism. And animated movies don’t kill people. The mission of PP included killing poor people and minorities, and they are still doing that, regardless of whether their motivation has changed.
@Biggaz – actually, Native Americans are the poorest group in the country: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2844068/native_americans_and_alaskan_natives.html?cat=5
Ex-Gop
I think those are excellent steps. And I also believe those who work all their lives so they can leave their kids an inheritence we should make sure that they can afford to purchase their medicine and food to eat. People that contribute to the growth of our country should be rewarded not punished. And people need to start taking a closer look at policies that penalize people for being married. And all judges should have term limits. And vouchers for education should be insisted on. And all schools that excel whether public or private should also be rewarded.
“Sanger founded PP in order to kill black babies, in part”
No, she founded an organization to help poor women control their fertility because unfettered fertility kept people in poverty. She realized that the middle and upper classes, who controlled their fertility, became even more prosperous while the poor, burdened with children they couldn’t afford, remained poor while their children were forced into mills or prostitution. She and WEB DuBois worked together to help poor black women have access to birth control – something the white population already had.
@Chris Arsenault
In calling out my use of “it” and “this”, I think you’re nitpicking. I take your point, that the language we use in this debate is part of the toolset for winning it. But calling it out in the midst of my clearly pro life argument, a little nit picky.
As I said to Ryan, I get the slavery analogy. I get the genocide analogy. I get the moral equivalence argument being made there. I just don’t think they are the most effective metaphors to carry the message in a billboard campaign. I think there is a fair argument to be made that they are a bit tortured for use in this debate at all. I mean, your discussion with the young woman for example. You draw a slavery analogy from her experience because she was “coerced” and pressured and this makes her a slave. Its one way to characterize her experience. Is it the most apt? There are equally good arguments pro and con on that score I think.
You note the pro abortion side uses this analogy too, talking about reproductive freedom, but the analogy fails from their point of view too in my opinion, because the freedom was the choice to not have sex, or the choice to use effective contraception if you did have sex. The other side simply does not want to acknowledge any boundaries, moral or otherwise, on their freedom of action, so they use the slavery analogy to create a sense of outrage at the suggestion that their should be some moral check on the sexual behavior of men and women.
CC, sheesh, you don’t even have to be pro-life to know that Sanger was a eugenicist.
youngchristianwoman,
I don’t know about the Disney analogy. Some of the older Disney movies are really offensive. They really play up stereotypes. It got a lot better in more recent times, almost nonexistent now.
Ryan Bomberger
It took a lot of courage to do what you did.
Oakland has some unusual demographics. There are many lower income blacks there, as well as large numbers of white liberals. I don’t think these billboards are going to be well-received at all.
@Political Season
Perhaps it was nit-picky, but then again I couldn’t pass up a great opportunity to illustrate my point! ;-) No offense was intended.
My slavery analogy re: the girl goes far beyond coercion – spend some time talking with women who have suffered from their abortions – it’s truly heartbreaking.
It really is a spiritual war – in every sense of the word.
CC
The only excuse I could find for Sangers mindset was that her mother had so many children and I think this was the cause of her poor health. But if you read everything she wrote good and bad how you don’t come to the conclusion that she really seen certain segments of society as less than second class citizens is beyond me. The only ray of light I see in this womans soul is that unlike other eugenicists of her time she did not believe in the killing of the disabled. Aside from that I think she had a severe authoritarian complex if there is such a thing and decided that of course she knew what was best for people she considered less than her. Now me the woman who was born to an economically challenged mom will take a break from posting to go see about my disabled(?) son. Only if that’s o.k. with you though. :)
Jack, maybe I’m not old enough to remember those movies… did Disney make Peter Pan? I know seeing that one again as an adult was pretty shocking.
At any rate, unless we can find proof of Disney saying that he would make movies to make sure the kids knew not to trust Jews or something, I don’t think it’s equivalent.
Lol, I am not very old. I just liked old cartoons when I was a kid. Yeah, Disney made Peter Pan, a lot of his older cartoons had the really bad racist imagery. But I take your point. I don’t think that Walt Disney ever said specifically that he was making the movies to influence people’s opinions of other races or ethnicity. He might have been, but there isn’t proof for it. There is ample proof of his views though. At any rate, it isn’t what Disney is about today.
Political Season
The way I came to the conclusion they were practicing genocide was because I googled the definition and just read the definition of it. After you read my points you need to do a little research on Planned Parenthood so you can have a better understanding of their ideology. Of course people that work for Planned Parenthood I would think most of them don’t have a clue about their founders worldview. But Sangers grandson who runs Planned Parenthood has a good understanding of his grandmothers ideology. The fact that there is so much information on the internet about planned parenthood and people still allow this agency to usurp parental authority, contribute to the delinquency of minors, put the safety of minors at extreme risk and actually get paid to do this with taxpayers monies is beyond me. This is from the article the legal definition of genocide. Prevention of births includes involuntary sterilization, forced abortion, prohibition of marriage, and long term seperation of men and women intended to prevent procreation The article states that genoicidal acts need not kill or cause the death of members of a group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm, prevention of births and transfer of children are acts of genocide when committed as part of a policy to destroy a groups existence. Causing serious bodily, or mental harm includes inflicting trauma on members of the group through widespread torture rape, sexual vilence, forced or coerced use of drugs. if you read what this organization is up to in France you get a much better understanding of their agenda for America. To prove that they’ve used policies to prevent births within the group you just need to read her statements on the Negro Project. These are some of the statements she made about birth control I’m going to write them here so if you continue to debate that there intent is somehow charitable towards segments of society they considered inferior I will know you know better. These are a few of her statements. Before eugenicists and all those working for race improvement succeed, they must make birth control easier. Just like birth control promoters eugenists, for example seek to assist race through the elimination of the unfit. Both of them pursue the same aim but they insist on different methods. Birth control which has been criticized as negative and destructive, is really the greatest and most truly eugenic method, and its adoption as part of the program of eugenics will immediately give a concrete and realistic power to that science. I think though the tide is changing my only regret is that when they are held accountable as an organization is that the likelihood of them bearing individual responsibility isn’t great. Don’t ever kid yourself about her generosity of spirit she actually made a statement that she was against charitable acts towards the poor. But while being against charitable acts towards the poor it did not bother her to receive financial aid from the Rockerfellers to further her agenda. Can you imagine the audacity of actually telling people who they should help and who they shouldn’t help. In her mind if people she considered inferior, and there was a long list, received help that wouldn’t be good for racial health. So her statement on the negro project proves policy and you have only to read her statements to prove intent. A lot of people assume her goal was to help women but her statements prove otherwise. When I first heard the term genocide used in reference to planned parenthood I thought it was a gross exageration but according to the United Nations definition it’s not.
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Um, since when has inducing imagery of horrifying acts ever been considered a “Christian” thing to do? Oh, that’s right… Jesus went around bashing non-believers with a large stick. Oh wait… no. No, he didn’t. In fact, I would venture to guess that if he were around today, his words would go something like “Maybe try using all this money to fight abortion by opening adoption centers to lead by example rather than with malice in your hearts”. I can only guess that the campaigns of gut-wrenching photos have started to become less effective on a desensitized public. So now you bring up the imagery of slavery to try to get the same shock factor? I ask this: How many of those aborted babies could have been convinced into adoption by the money spent on this campaign? Displaying negative imagery only gets people angry and prepared to fight. Which means there will always be two sides. Finding the path of love and leading by example would bridge this problem and possibly endear Christian values to the communities a hundred fold in comparison to this current campaign.
@Adam +1000