“16 and Pregnant” mother wishes she had aborted
If I could go back and make the decision you made, I would do it. I don’t regret having her or anything, but you made a very, very smart decision…. I would trade places with [you] any day.
~ Brianna telling sister Brittany (both pictured right) she wishes she had gotten an abortion. Both sisters became pregnant around the same time. Brittany chose abortion while Brianna gave birth, as featured on MTV’s 16 & Pregnant, April 3 (more: 16 and Pregnant)
[HT: The Abortioneers]
Apr.06, 2012 6:00 am |
Pop Culture, Post-abortion, Pregnancy |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I guess she should choose life
So she doesn’t regret having her daughter but she regrets not killing her?
Makes total sense.
@Carla: I thought that exactly. The doublethink makes my brain hurt.
I wonder if it even matters to this woman how badly hurt her daughter will be when she learns about her mother saying this. And people wonder why those of use born after ’73 are so strongly pro-life…
http://www.mtv.com/videos/16-and-pregnant-season-4-brittany-exclusive-interviews/1682402/playlist.jhtml
Poor Brittany is definitely hurting from this. How insensitive her sister is being…
I don;t normally talk back tot he TV screen, but this was an exception. Unfortunatley. the baby is going to love seeing this in a few years and watching her mom say that if she had it to do over agin, she would have killed her before she was born.
So abortion is a very smart decision?
These two sisters need to have a family portrait taken with their daughters.
Brittany needs a picture of her shackled to her dead child, while Brianna needs a picture with her child chained and shackled together as well.
They are both prisoners of their decisions – with the child attached as a ball and chain.
Both are seriously confused.
Both need serious prayer.
As ever, the exploitative powers of television at their best.
No, that’s too impersonal an attribution. I’ve often wished there were a list of the most soul-sold television producers — a top 10 hall of shame, if you will. I’d really like to know what kind of people traffic so profitably in human misery. I’d like to know why.
The conversation earlier in the show was interesting though too where Brittany says SHE wishes she could go back and do it over (and have her baby). Her mother cried and said she knew it was hard on Brittany to watch her sister have her baby when Brittany’s baby was gone. Brittany said that was why she couldn’t stay in the house watching them prepare for the baby. It hurt too much. I’m glad MTV showed that.
Having a baby at 16 is not ideal. But it is better than a dead baby. I wish though that teens would watch this and realize this is why sex works best in MARRIAGE. Being a mom when you’re a teen and having the baby’s daddy walk away is not going to be a situation that is easy and painless by any means.
Just wait….. both of these girls will soon be glad Brianna made the decision she did… and both will admit this openly. Right now, Brittany needs comfort…and they are both under a lot of peer and political pressure to validate abortion. Pride before the fall…and Sisterly love before condemnation.
I admire Briana for trying to console her sister, but soon Brittany will realize that her sister’s lies will no longer comfort her… Brittany will need a source of comfort greater than her sister can provide.
Brittany should be told that there are groups, like Rachel’s Vineyard, that can help her.
Kate, I don’t see much emotion from Brittany at all. She acts like a robot. No emotion, no smiles. Empty. She refers to unborn children as ‘its’.
Brianna says, “No one deserves to be hurt or sad over things that could have been prevented.” Children are not things!
No one gets through life without being hurt or sad. There is only more hurt and more sadness when we choose to kill other people because of selfish choices made that brought them about in the first place.
Does Brianna think how hurt and sad her child will be someday when she finds out what idiotic and hurtful words her mother has said about her? If Brianna says stuff like this to the world, you know she will be saying things like this directly to this little girl unless she gets help. Emotional abuse is just as harmful as hitting a child!
What does Abortioneers think of comments like this being said to and about children? Pro-woman my arse. They hate females, starting with themselves.
Here is Briana on GMA… the interviewer used Briana’s sister’s abortion to focus on the difficulty of the situation rather than trying to seek solutions on how to make pregnancy and motherhood easier for teens. However, the positive and resilent attitude of both of the Mothers in the video could not be “blotted” out by the interviewer’s biased and judgemental attitude.
The call for responsibility in one’s sex life by the Mother’s is good….but abortion doesn’t need to be option. The interviewer was wrong to inject this into the conversation… in fact it was very manipulative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xma1lvgKwPo
From the Abortioneer:
“But watching this story, admittedly never having seen the show before, really got me feeling emotional. It reminded me that abortion is not like a McDonald’s drive through, regardless of how mundane I’ve been conditioned to think it is. Having a sneak peek into this woman’s life made me see the reality. It was all the things I didn’t ever see when I spoke to clients. I’ve also never been around for the pregnancy of someone close to me, so it was totally eye-opening. And watching this poor girl have to go through her pregnancy without the support of her sister or ex-partner, and later question whether it was even worth it, was just heartbreaking. I was so touched that I also watched the re-run an hour later.” [Italics are my own}
Unbelievable, and this person advises women to have abortions for a living!!!
Pass me a bucket I think I need to heave.
The utter naivete is breathtaking.
Finally, and most importantly, why does it seem that no one in Briana’s life is talking to this deadbeat Dad?
Someone, some man, should be telling this Devon kid to wise-up and be a Father to his daughter. Most, if not all, of the drama is due to this one person. Can anybody say that Dads don’t matter? Clearly, the absence of Dads can result in the death of another human being.
Men (and teenage Fathers) need to wise-up.
I’ve also never been around for the pregnancy of someone close to me, so it was totally eye-opening.
I’m the oldest of 6 kids in my family, Mom’s the second-oldest of 9, and Dad had 5 kids in his family. Pregnancy and birth is definitely not strange to my clan.
I can’t imagine living in a world where I’ve never been around for a pregnancy of someone close to me. I’m sick of pregnancy and childbirth being viewed as though you’ve just thrown yourself on the dinner table and an alien is popping out of your chest. IT IS NORMAL! IT IS NATURAL! People should be well-acquainted with producing babies if they’re engaging in an act that produces babies. Do we really have to start having a pregnant parent as a guest speaker in health class now? Seriously. My ex was an only child. My fiance is the youngest of 2 kids in his family, and granted my fiance is far more accepting of the idea, but my ex seemed to think pregnancy was sexually-transmitted Black Death, and my fiance has had so many questions about it sometimes it feels like he’s asking me “What’s it like on your planet?”
This is where the mentality of an “abortioneer” comes from. How can you sit there and tell people to abort all day long when you don’t even know what the alternative is like, and apparently are horrified by it?! When did getting pregnant and having a baby after intercourse become such a foreign idea to us?!?!!
The world is stupid. I’m ragequitting it for the rest of the day.
Carla: “So she doesn’t regret having her daughter but she regrets not killing her? Makes total sense.”
The mental gymnastics one has to do to make her opinion make sense…and Brianna still failed, in this case.
I think the women who have abortions can testify that the decision made stays with them forever. Whether the guilt is subconsious or something they are completely aware of it hangs over them like a permanent cross on their shoulders. Hopefully she will never know that pain. I pray the other one with seek forgiveness and healing.
“I don’t regret having her..”
Well, obviously, you DO if you wish you could go back and NOT have her.
That’s really sad coming from the mouth of a mother.
I recently found my journal from 6 years post-abortion. It read in part: “I’m beginning to realize that I can’t blame my emotional pain on the world around me. Obviously, this pain is something inside me, that I am carrying it with me wherever I go. I wish I knew what it was and how to stop from hurting..”
Yep, well, I figured it out eventually.
1) It’s disgusting that anyone would say anything like that at all
2) Saying it in the media guarantees your daughter will someday come across it, with this thing called google and all.
Okay, I just watched the entire episode. I think you guys are being too hard on Brianna. Taking her words in the context of the show, she clearly loves her daughter and is just feeling overwhelmed with her responsibilities and the realization that her daughter is not going to have an involved father. If I were Nova, watching this show years from now, I would be proud of my mom. She’s a smart girl that chose life for her daughter and is working to make a good life for both of them. God bless you Brianna!
I feel a lot of compassion for Brianna. My first child was a planned pregnancy at age 28 and my husband was (and still is) a very involved father. And yet I clearly remember for the first few months of my child’s life literally mourning the life I left behind. Parenting is a huge adjustment and mothers have changing hormones to deal with as well. Why judge someone based on the words they say at one of the lowest, most difficult times of their life?
And Brittany is clearly struggling with her decision. She will be in my prayers.
You may be right Lrning. I will admit I’ve never actually seen the show, so I was commenting purely from the quote alone.
I really, really hope that she gets used to being a mom and comes to appreciate her daughter. It’s really, really no fun being raised by a mother who doesn’t want you. And I agree with Tyler, with his wondering why no one is trying to kick the deadbeat dad into gear. Hey, you’re on a national reality show, use it to shame the man who got her pregnant and won’t step up to care for his kid.
She could be saying loving things for 90% of the day but the show editors will show us whatever they want.
When the first Big Brother season was on, I watched their live feed for a while. It was totally different than the way the show made it seem.
This is what she said, Lrning, “If I could go back and make the decision you made, I would do it. I don’t regret having her or anything, but you made a very, very smart decision…. I would trade places with [you] any day.”
Brianna told her sister that she made not only a smart decision, but that she made a very, very smart decision when Brittany aborted her own niece or nephew. Many children have been born into less than ideal circumstances and their moms would never say something like this. Brianna is stating she wishes she could go back in time and kill her daughter. I don’t know of too many kids that would be proud if their parent said this about them.
Mourning the life you left behind when you have a child is totally different than stating you wish you had aborted your child and wishing you could trade places with the aunt who aborted your child’s cousin.
Up is Down. Left is Right. Good is Evil.
The Culture of Death has affected us all.
I totally agree Praxades. Well said.
I watched the entire episode as well. She said she wished she had aborted. She might be overwhelmed but that doesn’t make what she said okay.
If I scream at my 5 year old “I wish I’d never had you!” in a moment of stress, is that okay? After all, I myself gave birth 3 weeks ago and am severely sleep deprived. No, its not okay. Some day her daughter is going to run across this episode and it will hurt her that her mother said that and felt that way. This young mother didn’t say “I love my daughter but I wish I had placed her for adoption. It is too hard caring for her.” NO. She said she wished she had had her daughter mutilated and killed (thats what happens during an abortion). She wished she had paid a doctor to murder her child. THAT is what she is saying.
Anyhow, I wish Brianna would look past her sister’s tough exterior and see the words of regret and hurt that she is trying to share. Her sister already regrets her abortion a few months out.
I think we have to consider this statement is coming from a young woman who is bitterly disillusioned and trapped. Sorry, but she is trapped.
Her little girl fantasies about babies have been destroyed by reality. Babies are work. Babies tie you down. Babies are demanding and selfish. They don’t care if you want to sleep. They don’t care how badly you would like to get out with friends. They don’t care if you are tired of their crying and demands. Gee, you mean I can’t just put her in the corner when I’m tired of playing with her?
Single motherhood isn’t as glamorous as movie stars make it seem.
If anything our hearts must go out to her. Her sister’s “freedom” can seem very desirable to her at this point. Perhaps years down the road they will both have a different perspective.
Babies are work. Babies tie you down. Babies are demanding and selfish. They don’t care if you want to sleep. They don’t care how badly you would like to get out with friends. They don’t care if you are tired of their crying and demands. Gee, you mean I can’t just put her in the corner when I’m tired of playing with her?
Brianna is trapped only if she chooses to feel she is trapped. Her life if different than her sisters but is life-affirming.
Babies are fulfilling work. Babies keep your feet on the ground. Babies remind you that you are not the center of the universe. Babies cause you to become creative with scheduling. Babies bring in a new set of more mature friends to your life. Babies hold you accountable. Babies will love you when no one else will. Babies teach you the meaning of love. Single motherhood makes it clear to you that fathers are equally as important to a family as mothers.
Hi Praxedes,
Remember that Brianna is little more than a child herself. You and I speak from adult perspectives.
Yes this can be life affirming and care of a baby can be fulfilling. But when you are a rundown tired teenager who sees her friends having fun, socializing, going to school, etc. and you are sitting home with a baby who has kept you up all nite with her crying, you may have difficulty seeing anything very life affirming. You may be too tired to see much of anything.
Is it any surprise many of these young single mothers say that as much as they love their children, they would have held off on pregnancy had they known what it entailed?
Hopefully down the road things will look up for Brianna but right now her life is a struggle and she feels trapped. I can understand how she views her sister’s “freedom” with great envy and in no way is a bad person for having this perspective.
“Babies are fulfilling work. Babies keep your feet on the ground. Babies remind you that you are not the center of the universe. Babies cause you to become creative with scheduling. Babies bring in a new set of more mature friends to your life. Babies hold you accountable. Babies will love you when no one else will. Babies teach you the meaning of love.”
What a bunch of sentimental, delusional claptrap.
This reminds me of those “If mothers were paid what they were worth they’d be paid $3,987,563,654 a year” screeds. Knowing how to use a bandaid makes you an MD and cutting the crusts of a PBJ and heating up a tray of chicken fingers makes you an executive chef, etc. And obviously single people and childless people have no families themselves and haven’t got a clue about “love.” Puh leaze. What absurd fantasyland do you live in??
If anything, you people don’t read the news, which is littered every day with “more mature” parents with their “feet on the ground and who are great at scheduling” abandoning or killing their kids or ignoring them to drown in the family pool while they sit at home playing Farmville. Just this past couple of months I read a story about a woman who left her toddler’s dead body on the side of a backroad, a dad who abandoned his toddler by a highway and it was found stabbed with hundreds of cactus needles, several stories about toddlers being crushed by the family television, and a story about toddlers’ hands being suspiciously scalded by the fireplace. How many li’l sizzlers are slated to die in their parent’s car this summer while either mom or dud “forgets” about them strapped in the back seat when temperatures soar to the upper 90s? http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/children-dying-in-hot-cars/
But yeah, parents are awesome at scheduling!
They’re so awesome they regularly stand their friends up at the last minute when invited out, or if they DO bother to show up they’ll inevitably be anywhere between 30 and 60 minutes late. Of course junior will be the excuse.
I personally have never, ever met a single parent who had somehow become ever so much more mature or loving than any single or unchilded people I know. I’ve never met a parent who was particularly more hardworking (on the contrary they like to leave work early and often and use their sick children or school plays or PTA meetings or baseball practice as an excuse) while their childless coworkers pick up the slack. I HAVE, however, met ones with overblown senses of entitlement because their children were, at the expense of every other living creature on the planet, the most important thing ever born. I have met ones who demanded free government handouts, special parking spaces at the mall, and most of them are single-mindedly obsessed with their own children and couldn’t give a single you know what about anyone ELSE’s kid.
I finally stopped asking any of my childed coworkers or friends out to any events, not even as small as lunch or coffee, because they either ALWAYS say no or cancel at the last minute, stand me up, or show up late. Because they’re awesome at scheduling their OWN time and couldn’t care less about anyone else’s. Most of them like to complain about how they have no friends. It can’t be because of their awesome scheduling skills or the fact that they don’t know how to talk about anything other than their kids anymore.
No, my friends, parenthood does not bestow upon you any special powers and it doesn’t in any way make you a better person. Raising babies is not a holy calling, your children are not the second coming of Christ, if anything your kids will grow up to be complete nobodies just like you and you’ll largely become even more boring and self-absorbed than you already are. And I hate to break it to you, but your kids won’t love you when no one else will. They’ll scream at you that they hate you when they hit their teen years, and then when you get old they’ll shuffle you off to a nursing home at the first opportunity, will rarely if ever visit, and will fight amongst themselves for your money while waiting for you to die so they can inherit. Nothing says lovin like family feuds in the oven!
So yeah, from the inside you parents think you’re saints. Outside observers beg to differ.
Wow, you’re certainly showcasing your maturity with a tantrum like that.
I can’t imagine why anyone would want to stand-up such undoubtedly good company as yourself!
Heh. If I had some sort of engagement with you, I’d use my kid as an excuse to blow you off, too.
Law, how would you know anything about parenthood? It’s something that you have flatly rejected. How would you know how a child transforms you? Sounds like you could use a little transformation yourself.
Mary, I agree with you. I think Brianna simply misspoke, sort of. I think Brianna was trying to verbalize her desire to be free of parental responsibilities. I also think a desire to comfort and rationalize her sister’s decision to abort jumbled her speech and thought process. This poor girl is going through a lot and although she has help from her family – the father of her child is a goof. He too is out denying responsibility like her sister. The people in her life are celebrating their irresponsibility and she probably isn’t getting/receiving the sufficient quantity of accolades she deserves. I am 100% behind Brianna. She is AMAZING in my books. Words are cheap, actions speak volumes and her actions show that she cares about her daughter – once again look at the President – he is the anti-Brianna – all words, and no action.
Law, you have officially transformed into a parody of yourself. Congratulations, I guess.
First and foremost I have to inform everyone that abortion is not murder. That girl didn’t kill anything. You forced birthers like to quote from the Christian book of fairytales to back up your claim, but there’s actually nothing for or against abortion in the buybull. There are actually a lot of instances where infants are killed, however. It doesn’t surprise me that you guys missed that, considering how you love to cherry pick what applies to you and what doesn’t.
Someone said she should have given up the kid for adoption, instead of “killing” it. Please, that kid would have languished in the system for years or been bounced around from home to home before being thrown out on the street. Why is that? Because very rarely do people adopt. They’d rather blow tens of thousands of dollars on IVF or IUI and go into crushing debt to get a self replica, rather than help out a kid that’s already here. They love to claim that “an adopted child is akin to a wild animal that you take in and try to tame. It may obey you for sometime, but you never know when it’ll turn on you”. That last was an actual quote from someone who is very against adoption, and guess what? That person isn’t the only one who has a rationale like that. Like your own flesh and blood won’t possibly try to murder you someday? Get a clue.
Finally, you commenters (with the exception of Law) are typical pro-liars in the sense that you can’t handle a woman having sex for fun or to feel good. That’s why you are so opposed to birth control. A woman MUST suffer some consequence for sex, either getting knocked up or catching an STD.
I have to wonder, if men could get knocked up, would you guys be this hysterical and over reactive?
I just have to add that most parents are a long way from being these selfless, giving, compassionate saints you have painted them to be. The most oblivious, selfish, self involved people I’ve ever met have kids.
I don’t have any children, but I’m sure I would find some excuse to blow you off if I somehow had the misfortune of having any type of engagement with you.
Olive, I am not suggesting that you self-abort but I am curious as to why you haven’t self-aborted. So please tell me the reasons why you have not self-aborted?
When folks like Olive show up, I feel a million times more hopeful for the Life movement.
“Buy bull” LOL. Olive, did you come up with that all by yourself???
“Wow, you’re certainly showcasing your maturity with a tantrum like that.”
You can lie to yourself but you can’t lie to me. Plenty of other people out there are far more honest than you are. Prisons are loaded with people who had deluded parents too. Therapists are not exactly hurting for work. Medicating undisciplined children and slapping an autism label on them is the new black these days. Etc. You’ll be just as alone as anyone in the retirement home 50 years from now.
“I can’t imagine why anyone would want to stand-up such undoubtedly good company as yourself!”
They don’t, now. I cut rude people out of my life, so now the only people they have left to stand up are their coworkers when they can’t be arsed to show up at work. Eventually the company deals with that nonsense.
“Law, how would you know anything about parenthood?”
Well, I HAVE parents, I have plenty of parents that I know, I have taken care of children many many times, I think we can all agree that leaving a child on the side of the road to die is BAD parenting and that if your kid does not make it to adulthood because you ran it over in the driveway or let drug dealers steal it, that’s bad. Crap parents exist, people! In droves.
You popped out a few and now think you’re a “better person” in a hundred different ways.
No, you’re not. I’m here to tell you.
“How would you know how a child transforms you?”
Childfree does not mean BLIND. I’ve seen plenty of “reproductive transformations” and none of them were for the better. Perhaps you’re not quite the power observer you think you are. Crack a newspaper once in awahile, whydontcha.
‘The children, we hates them, they burns us, preciousss, yes, they disgustss us with their innocence and lack of malice, we wants to kill them all and put them in bagses, and their parentses who puts their needs first, it burns us because we comes first..’
Law. Dude. Bitter, much? Please. Get help.
http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/
Hi Tyler,
I see Brianna has a young woman who wants out of the trap she is in. Yes, she may very well love her child, but that isn’t the issue here. She’s stuck with that jerk of a child’s father for the rest of her life as well. Having worked with these young women I can tell you reality comes as a very nasty jolt when they are surviving from welfare check to welfare check, lover boy is enjoying his freedom, and your friends are enjoying theirs.
I think it is time to stop viewing motherhood as some divine calling. Its a job, its demanding, it can be totally unrewarding, and there are people who aren’t fit to raise a litter of cats doing it.
While law and I have never been known to agree, she/he does raise some valid points. I have no doubt my neighbors thought I was a screaming shrew with totally undisciplined kids, my sitter I’m sure was not always fond of me either.
Wicked. Tricksy. False. They stole it from us, precious…
Gollum, but no child has ever harmed us, precious…
They will all end up in prison, yess they will…
I’m sure all the parents out there raising autistic kids will be glad to know they’re just ‘undisciplined’ ‘Law’. I’ll be sure to let them know you said so on my blog. Have a nice day.
MPCQ! You’re back!! Yay!!!
Yeah, law. I second the whole get help thing. If you see your birth as being “pooped”, then you got some issues.
Olive, honey, you’re about 5 or 10 years late to the party. The Pro-Life movement is no longer the sole property of the Catholic Church, and you’ll find many of us here (like myself, for instance), are not even slightly religious. You’re wailing on a strawman that hasn’t been relevant for quite some time.
See: secularprolife.org
Also, you’re revealing yourself to be terribly ignorant of basic Biology. A human being exists from conception, and if you give me a moment, I’ll find a doctor of Biology to tell you as much… Here she is:
http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html
It’s even a female doctor, just so you don’t keep the idea as you’ve expressed further down the line in your semi-coherent post that we are all some evil male cabal seeking to oppress we poor little ladies.
My mother used to work for an OB/GYN who did abortions. She told me herself they kept a file there half an inch thick full of families looking to adopt the children that were being aborted there by their mothers. Each page contained a unique well-to-do family that was seeking a child to love. My mother was discouraged from showing this to aborting mothers because it cut into profits. My mother eventually tendered her resignation there, as she was unable to continue working in a facility that killed children.
You talk about how sick the anti-adoption mentality is, and yet you seem to be arguing their case for them. How peculiar.
Many of us here have no problem with a woman having a responsible sexual relationship. You’ll find a few here who actually active support contraception. No one here (with possibly very, very few exceptions) actually supports making contraception illegal, and I will happily direct you to the nearest Wal-Mart or Target store so that you can pick up a monthly supply for 9 dollars.
One of the commenters here is a friend of mine, he was a child that was raised in a VERY outright-abusive household. He is still very Pro-Life. How would the fact he ended up with terrible parents legitimize someone killing him?
Courtnay,
Just messin’ with Law a little. Too much blog fodder to pass up there ;)
Stay, MPQ!!!
“The children, we hates them…”
That’s hilarious considering that the most dangerous place for a kid to be is in the home with their own family. Childfree people “hate” kids except that a child usually ends up dead because of their own parents. Moron.
By the way you should consider changing your moniker to “Margaret White.” You and truthseeker both seem to like to conform to the Stephen King portrayal of Christianity.
“Law. Dude. Bitter, much”
Nope, just observant. Your martyr behavior and attempts to sugarcoat parenthood are only bought by stupid people. I wouldn’t trade lives with you at threat of death, and that’s precisely because I’m NOT bitter and forced to lie to myself and others about my life.
But you’ll be happy to know that those of us who don’t buy your silly stories have been called “bitter” about a million times before so good on you for yet again thinking outside the box with your insults. LOL!
Medicating undisciplined children and slapping an autism label on them is the new black these days.
As someone who spent one of the best and worst years of my life working at a school for children with disabilities-specifically an early-intervention autism classroom-I find this comment, and now you personally, absolutely revolting. Good day.
I think what hits a nerve in some of us regarding this…
“Babies are fulfilling work. Babies keep your feet on the ground. Babies remind you that you are not the center of the universe. Babies cause you to become creative with scheduling. Babies bring in a new set of more mature friends to your life. Babies hold you accountable. Babies will love you when no one else will. Babies teach you the meaning of love.”
….is it’s glorifying something that has been going on since the beginning of humanity…people having babies. So what? An otter can have a baby.
Babies cause you to become creative with scheduling
Of course it is not true of all parents, but ”creative scheduling” means showing up late and leaving early, even if it’s to work. Having been in the workforce 20, it has been my experience parents use the most leave time and the rest of us are always picking up the slack. They get maternity leave, then they have to be out with their own illnesses as well as with Junior’s. And that leads to this –
Babies remind you that you are not the center of the universe.
That is laugh worthy. In my experience, parents want to hog all the holiday leave time that’s allowed in offices..some of them even outright say, ”Why should someone without kids need the days around Christmas off?” They’re generally the ones who just want to show up to family gatherings sans a potluck contribution, since they ”don’t have time” to cook anything on account of the children. Actually, in regard to helping anyone else with anything….I don’t know how many times I’ve personally heard from parents’ mouths: Those WITHOUT KIDS should be doing X, Y and Z.
And what about when the babies have grown and are no longer cuddly little infants over which parents can have complete control? As Law mentioned, the news is littered with stories of kids people have abandoned or abused. So this –
Babies are fulfilling work. Babies keep your feet on the ground. Babies hold you accountable. Babies teach you the meaning of love. –
– is sadly and frequently not the case.
“If you see your birth as being “pooped”, then you got some issues.”
It’s usually parents who have a poop fixation, apparently to the point of seeing the word where it doesn’t exist. LOL! We’re you the type to put up diaper updates on Facebook too?
That’s hilarious considering that the most dangerous place for a kid to be is in the home with their own family. Childfree people “hate” kids except that a child usually ends up dead because of their own parents. Moron.
So? You know Jack. He posts here. He had a sh!* time growing up in an abusive household. Why should he be dead?
And oh, yeah, Childfree people NEVER EVER EVAR! get abortions, oh no! No dead children there, nosiree.
Pathetic. Talk about lying to yourself…
law that was an excellent post – it is always a good and healthy thing to be brought down a few notches. Now feel free to go back to your ever meaningful chai latte – quick it’s getting cold.
Law, girl. Seriously. Get some help.
Not sugarcoating it at all, dear. We don’t expect you to understand what is so clearly beyond your grasp. Please continue with the ad hominems while you whine about insults though. It’s highly amusing. I’m off to spend time with those more emotionally evolved-a.k.a. my kids. Hope your split personalities start getting along soon ;) preciousssss…
Maybe we can reach a happy medium here and dispense with the personal attacks.
As I said, I don’t always agree with law, but he/she has raised some valid points that I think most of you are reacting to instead of thoughtfully responding to.
Let’s dispense with this notion that pregancy and motherhood are divinely inspired and always have a happy ending. They don’t. There are people who reproduce that shouldn’t, and like law I have seen my share of those. Some have been people in my own family. My sister bitterly resented her marriage and motherhood, and sadly the children suffered for it. My stepsister, who no one thought could take care of a litter of cats, turned out to be an excellent mother.
Its like marriage. Before we romanticize marriage, let’s look at the murdered spouses, failed marriages, marriages for money and convenience, marriages to swindle someone, marriages to get the insurance money after offing the spouse.
Before we romanticize reproduction, let’s look at drug addicts, sickos, and unfit human beings of every sort having children. And before we judge Brianna, let’s see that she’s a trapped young woman. Sorry folks, that’s what she is, whether its her own doing or not.
Her life now and in the future must revolve around her child. She’s stuck with that jerk of a child’s father as well. Am I surprised at her comment? No. Does that mean I advocate abortion? No. Am I surprised when some married people envy their single friends? No. Does that mean I advocate spousal murder? Certainly not.
http://troll.me/2012/04/07/brace-yourselves/brace-yourselves-jills-been-linked-to-a-childfree-blog/
Food for thought: Law was once someone’s ‘crotch dropping’ too. That’s gotta hurt. LOL
Gubmint meet Law, Law meet Gubmint – now go and make some anti-parental legislation.
Mary, now you are losing me. It seems that you are leaving realism and entering into pessimism. I thnk saying she is “trapped” is a little too harsh. She may perceive herself to be trapped at the moment but she really isn’t. The rest of whay you say is ok, IMO.
Tyler,
I exist very much in the real world. That is what my post is about, the real world. The fact that it doesn’t fit our ideal doesn’t make me a pessimist.
I also disagree with one other thing that you said Mary. IMO Motherhood and Parenthood are definitely divinely inspired – that is why abortion is such a tragedy.
Hi Tyler,
I respect your religious convictions. However, you should keep in mind that marriages were often arranged for convenience and political reasons, to seal alliances, or to keep money in the family. Marriage was not always a religious matter, people just went to the magistrate. Also, the concept of marriage varies from culture to culture. The notion of romance or love being part of marriage is laughable to some cultures. Also, it was considered acceptable for royalty and the wealthy, or any man who could afford it, to keep a mistress or two on the side. After all, marriage was for children and convenience, the mistress was for love and romance.
You will also find that most men visiting prostitutes are married and there’s a reason its the world’s oldest profession.
Again Tyler, I mean no disrespect of any kind to you and your convictions, in fact I like and respect you a great deal, but I am as I said, a realist.
Mary, I agree with this statement by you about Motherhood:
“It’s a job, its demanding, it can be totally unrewarding (at moments. For example, I never found changing my son’s diaper particularly rewarding and I always resented when people would say “look, he made you a gift”…you are right – parents, even grandparents, can be annoying and they say the darndest things.)”
(Bold and Italics are my own words!)
But seriously I do think society would be much better off if it took the role of parenting (not just motherhood) more seriously and recognized it for the work and societal benefit that it is. Remember, if we don’t get these little folk working there won’t be any social security net for us.
FYI Mary, I wrote the above prior to seeing your 4:01 pm post.
Hi Tyler 4:08 PM
Brilliantly stated. Motherhood must be treated and valued for the job and responsibility that it is.
Like any job, we also have to understand that some people cannot do it or do it well or do not particularly like or want it.
Mary I was talking about parenthood being divinely inspired not marriage. All human beings are divinely inspired/created. Marriage is a natural institution that through the Catholic Church becomes a sacrament - a sign of God’s love. Their is only one type of marriage that allows individuals to reflect the love that God has for us, and that is the marriage between one man and one woman. Although marriage is different in other cultures and throughout biblical history, these other marriages were pointing to the sacramental marriage of one man and one woman.
Romance is not one of the goods of a Catholic Marriage. It is nice to have, but it is not of one the inherent qualities of marriage. Money and convenience are also not goods of marriage. The goods of marriage are procreation, fidelity, and sacramental unity. Sure there has been a lotof erroneous and scandalous customs that have developed around sacramental marriage, but they are just that – customs, and not goods that are proper to marriage.
I am not disrespected by your comments because you are not talking about a Catholic marriage.
“Like any job, we also have to understand that some people cannot do it or do it well or do not particularly like or want it.”
I definitely think you are wrong on this point because you have set up some perceived notion of what being a good parent is… and you can’t do that with parenting save for the obvious stuff (like don’t kill your child, be sure to feed, clothe and care for them, etc….) Anybody, with minimal effort can meet the minimum standards of parenting. For those parents who are strgugling we get them help and we certainly don’t offer to kill their child in the womb, and before witnessing their parenting skills in action!!!
But sure once the person has proven that they are a bad parent after rasing the child for a couple of years I say let the State kill the child – NOT.
And before we judge Brianna, let’s see that she’s a trapped young woman. Sorry folks, that’s what she is, whether its her own doing or not.
I am very proud that Brianna made the right decision. She will be better off for her choice in the long run. Sorry, Mary, but she is only trapped if she chooses this mindset. Women like you telling young mothers that they are trapped doesn’t help matters.
I do judge Brianna for the statements she made about wishing she had killed her child. And I judge you for pushing your negativity onto those women in Brianna’s circumstances rather than volunteering to help them out.
Parenthood is hard work. When did we become so adverse to work in our country?
Hi Tyler,
I must apologize, you did not mention marriage and were addressing motherhood. I don’t know how I read marriage into that, but did.
Concerning parenting, I’m afraid I disagree with you as well. Though what constitutes the “perfect” parent is a matter of perception, there are still plenty of examples of people totally unfit to raise children, or who never should have had children. Believe me Tyler, I have seen plenty in my lifetime and do now. That certainly doesn’t mean I advocate abortion any more than I advocate spousal murder when I say some people are not marriage material. Like you, I want to see people get the help they need and want.
As someone who has sat and cried in exhaustion and frustration more than once, I can assure you that there is much more to parenting than meeting minimal standards. That was the easy part!
LOL X, they normally won’t tell me I should have died. They just cowardly dance around it lol
There are long waiting lists to adopt. So why do hard core pro-aborts always lie and say that most babies put up for adoption don’t get adopted, and bounce around foster care until they age out of the system? It is a blatant lie. There is a shortage of babies for adoption in this country and abortion is one of the main reasons for that. Why do you think foriegn adoptions are so common and popular, because families can’t get babies in our own country.
Why do the hard core pro-aborts push this lie? Because even while they hypocritically scream about a woman’s right to choose, they really want women to have only one choice–abortion. If they can’t legally eliminate all other choices, they’ll lie to make it seem all other choices are unworkable. Truth means nothing to these people. Anything that makes abortion look less than glorious, or that reveals it may not be that benificial to women, they will scream that it’s a lie. (BTW: I can’t help but notice, over the course of my lifetime, the biggest liars I’ve come across are the very ones who point fingers and scream at other people for being liars. When the beat their breasts and give a moving rendition of how much they’ve always loved the truth, I’ve learned to see that as a sign that a real whopper is coming from their mouth soon. The more ready and hair trigger they are to have a fight about someone else’s supposed lying, the more they themselves usually are pathological liars.)
Anyway, the stories about babies given up and never finding a home is bogus. It’s designed to turn mothers away from adoption so that it’s easier to convince them they have no choice except abortion, and break down their resistance to abortion. So please don’t repeat this bogus story.
Hatred of adoption, attempts to turn society against adoption, and telling lies about what happens in adoption, are all linked to being an anti-choice/pro-abort (that is someone who wants people to be deprived to the choice to give birth to the baby, the kind of person for whom the term “choice” is nothing but a cheap PR slogan).
The worst pun of the day:
My son gave me the crappiest gifts.
The morons who believe in invisible friends are the same idiots who think it’s perfectly fine that mankind not accept any responsibility for destroying this planet. When your descendants are all choking to death on their own filth, I’m sure they will also sing praises to you simpletons.
Humans have the same value as any other living thing – maybe less now, since there so many extra of us. So it really doesn’t matter if a clup of cells in a woman’s body is a “person” or not. Scrape away!
Right now, the fewer humans there are, the better – how that is acheived doesn’t matter, but in the end, Nature will certainly administer the correction if we don’t do it ourselves.
BTW: I can’t help but notice, over the course of my lifetime, the biggest liars I’ve come across are the very ones who point fingers and scream at other people for being liars. When the beat their breasts and give a moving rendition of how much they’ve always loved the truth, I’ve learned to see that as a sign that a real whopper is coming from their mouth soon
I’ve noticed this too SM. Also those who proclaim to be the most diverse and tolerant are really the least. I love the cars that have the prochoice bumper stickers right next to the Coexist religious symbols bumber sticker. Wack.
Goblin, A little cognitive behavioral counseling combined with anti-depressants may possibly help with your negative thinking and lift your mood. Check into it if you get a chance. Until then, stay away from small children.
Where are all these trolls coming from? And why do they always all come in at the same time?
Goblin: ” So it really doesn’t matter if a clup of cells in a woman’s body is a “person” or not. Scrape away!
Right now, the fewer humans there are, the better – how that is acheived doesn’t matter […]”
If you truly believe this, there are plenty of ways you can help lower populations. One of your options is entirely within your control. Are you willing to get rid of your own life to benefit this world? No? Then stop advocating for the termination of others’ lives. You and your ilk are the grossest hypocrites I have ever met.
Imo the best solution to “overpopulation” problems is to educate our Western society on how to not be so wasteful. We use an enormous amount of the world’s resources, its actually quite disgusting. More charity work and less selfishness and wastefulness will make the world a much more welcoming place :)
Abortion is ugly.
However, we can do things besides abortion to prevent children from being born in negative environments. I’m a true crime writer. There are certainly exceptions, but the road to prison or death row very often begins with a young teenaged girl seduced, impregnated and abandoned. She might place for adoption or she might raise the baby herself.
Another first step is a married household that is riven by alcoholism and abuse.
The simple fact is that people are likely to turn out OK when born into STABLE, MARRIED households. There are ways to encourage this without encouraging abortion.
Zero population growth people are freaking annoying. Just don’t have kids if you don’t want them and stop whining when other people choose differently. I think most of them just don’t like kids, rather than actually caring about the environment and what not.
Tyler, all people are definitely NOT capable of raising children, and it is not a “bare minimum effort” type of job.It worries me when pro-lifers think that everyone should be/is capable of parenting, I think those who argue this should meet my parents, lol. We should definitely be encouraging and helping parents who are having a hard time, but at the same time we shouldn’t ignore the fact that sometimes biological parents are definitely not the people who should be raising their kids.
Ever notice how a cloud of trolls always follows me in here? It’s the main reason I stay gone. Sorry for attracting the nutters, folks. Carry on.
‘The morons who believe in invisible friends are the same idiots who think it’s perfectly fine that mankind not accept any responsibility for destroying this planet’
Go kill yourself then, you’re taking up valuable resources that others need. The same rules of elimination you apply to others apply to you too. Go on. Save the planet.
In all fairness, MPQ, they were here first this time, I just gave you the heads-up because I didn’t want to hog the action. ;P
Thanks, X-my screencap program is smoking from overuse right now, LOL
Navi,
It’s Sunday, they’re always at their worst after millions of others have gone to worship our ‘imaginary friend’. The devil only pushes back when he feels threatened.
I thought it was Saturday? :/
Perhaps MPQ is commenting from the future. That would be awesome!
OOPS! Wishful thinking. It seems like a Sunday. Holy Week is like a week of Sunday goodness :)
http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/autistic-kids-are-just-undisciplined.html congrats Law, you’re moron of the day!
JackBorsch says:
April 7, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Zero population growth people are freaking annoying. Just don’t have kids if you don’t want them and stop whining when other people choose differently. I think most of them just don’t like kids, rather than actually caring about the environment and what not.
Tyler, all people are definitely NOT capable of raising children, and it is not a “bare minimum effort” type of job.It worries me when pro-lifers think that everyone should be/is capable of parenting
(Denise) It is DEFINITELY true that SOME people should not have children. There are many personality types that are simply ill-suited to parenting.
It is also true that many people who can be good parents as adults have no business having them when they are minors.
One cannot abort, place for adoption, or raise a baby in a bad environment who was never conceived in the first place. Mention trying to discourage young teen girls from having babies and people seem to have abortion as the default mode.
Preventing pregnancies under bad circumstances should be a top priority.
Praxedes says:
April 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
Babies are work. Babies tie you down. Babies are demanding and selfish. They don’t care if you want to sleep. They don’t care how badly you would like to get out with friends. They don’t care if you are tired of their crying and demands. Gee, you mean I can’t just put her in the corner when I’m tired of playing with her?
Brianna is trapped only if she chooses to feel she is trapped. Her life if different than her sisters but is life-affirming.
Babies are fulfilling work. Babies keep your feet on the ground. Babies remind you that you are not the center of the universe. Babies cause you to become creative with scheduling. Babies bring in a new set of more mature friends to your life. Babies hold you accountable. Babies will love you when no one else will. Babies teach you the meaning of love. Single motherhood makes it clear to you that fathers are equally as important to a family as mothers.
(Denise) Is a baby born to a teen single mother disadvantaged?
If so, shouldn’t we try to prevent unmarried teen girls from conceiving?
Yeah that was me MPCQ. I still think it’s annoying that I logged in with the wrong account. I don’t use that account when commenting on blogs, it’s personal stuff.
Not sure why you didn’t just say it was you, but ok. Sorry to hear that you were abused, I hope you got some kind of justice and have found healing. Some of those blogger sites don’t give you many ID options for commenting, agree its annoying.
For some reason I thought I had told you it was me, lol. I think a lot of your blog is great, btw. The pro-abort comments you post have me simultaneously face palming and laughing.
Oh I have two Blogger accounts, one that I use to comment on pro-life blogs that don’t allow anonymous posting, and the other that’s my personal stuff that I accidentally logged into when I commented on your blog. Pretty humiliating, but whatever.
No reason to be humiliated. The person (s) who abused you are the ones who should be humiliated. I shouldn’t have asked you about it here-want me to ask the mods to delete my comments? I don’t want to invade your privacy. I only asked because I though I might be getting punked by someone else.
Yeah it would be cool if that comment could be deleted. I don’t care all that much if pro-lifers who I am friends with were to read it, but I would rather not have our friendly neighborhood trolls going over there to harass me, lol.
Understood. Hey Carla, can you please delete my comment of 9:35? Jack, I’m sorry for including that link, I hope none of the goons are around right now.
She should have aborted the child. It is too bad she was likely pressured to keep it. You are right, the child will likely see these comments some day down the line and realize that the mother did not want the child. You know what??? The child will be right!! She should have aborted the child and saved herself the agony of being a mom.
It’s fine MPCQ, I’m not upset. I can swear on my own blog, so if they try to eff with me I will just cuss them out and delete them. ;)
“ She should have aborted the child. It is too bad she was likely pressured to keep it. You are right, the child will likely see these comments some day down the line and realize that the mother did not want the child. You know what??? The child will be right!! She should have aborted the child and saved herself the agony of being a mom.”
Yup. Children should die if their parents don’t love or want them. I should be dead, millions of other people should be dead. Because obviously it’s impossible to heal from abuse or abandonment. Lol!! Jake, you better hope that your parents don’t get irritated with you and wish that they never had you, by your own words that is a fate worse than death!
Jake, are you the same Jake who was commenting on the Doonesbury thread a few weeks ago? If so, its nice to know you sometimes show up without Megan being here to worship.
Got it. :)
Jake is just baitin ya.
But MPCQ could always use a quote or two. LOL
Carla, I must admit I’m a chronic troll feeder. They’re going to have to start a support group for people like me.
Thanks, Carla, I really appreciate it. Sorry again, Jack.
Yep that’s me!!! Don’t worry, I got Megan to give me permission to comment. It’s all good.
Did you get Megan’s permission to comment on my blog, too, Jake? Harassing abuse victims is quite classy, I must say.
Well, Jack, knowing Megan, I’m sure its something she would approve of.
what blog is this you speak of JackBorsch???
Well, it’s either you or another troll from this thread commenting there, and since you seem to be the only troll following the thread, I guess you are the winner! And we already know that you are a classy and kind person from your comments on this blog, so it’s not exactly surprising.
But Jack, we must never forget that prolifers are the intolerant ones. Prochoicers are tolerant, liberal and peaceful etc.
Ah yes, JDC. Because nothing says “I am a peaceful, loving, tolerant person” like making fun of incest victims. Lol.
I have no idea why the pro-aborts even pretend to care about the abused children that they insist will result from abortion being criminalized. Since apparently they think it’s cool to mock abused children, if they grow up to be pro-lifers. And whoever it is who thought it would be funny to make those comments, f**k off.
I know people get irritated with Doug, but one thing I can say for him is he isn’t an a$$hole. I can’t see him or Hal calling 3-year-olds future rapists (like Megan), saying that the women who were forced to abort in China should have known better than to break the law (like joan), or stalking someone’s private blog to make fun of them for being sexually abused (like Jake, apparently). So, thanks Doug and Hal, and any other pro-choicers who have at least a bit of common decency.
“Can anyone say that dad’s don’t matter?”
Hey Tyler,
Yes, thank you very much to the highly educated radical feminists (like our buddy law) that have been sooo good at inculcating this belief! Notice the reference above to dad as “dud”? So educated and all, maybe I should get a second opinion from law about my son’s being diagnosed with autism by a highly trained pediatric neurologist with special qualifications in child neurology? Maybe all that neuro-psych testing was wrong about my son having autism? Hmmm.
Tyler, I think I’ll go and heave with you.
Happy Easter to you all…
Jack, I know what you mean. In fact, I really hope Doug read the apology I wrote after I said something not so nice on the another thread. In fact, Doug if you’re reading this I would like to reiterate that I actually do respect you and enjoy reading your comments. Really sorry for saying otherwise. But anyways, there are some posters here that are mean for the sake of mean. I agree with the list Jack created, and would also like to add CC, whose constant religious bigotry is getting old fast. Seriously, I’m a lifelong atheist and I find that more offensive then anything the Catholic Church promotes.
Kind of weird I just went on a rant about CC, on a thread she hasn’t commented on, but hey why we’re talking about people who annoy the hell out of us, it just seemed natural.
Lol, yeah I forgot about CC. I am just tired of these people who come on here just to harass people and try to hit them where it hurts. She goes off on Catholicism and is offensive just to try and upset the Catholics. It just shows the true nature of people when they act like that. I don’t care if I agree with someone or not, I won’t stoop to mocking their deeply held faith. And I sure as hell wouldn’t stoop to making fun of children being abused, that’s what sick psychopaths do.
Its just amazing how much more vicious their side is than ours (at least on the internet). I mean there’s the odd nut who may condone violence against abortion providers (by the way, for all the talk this issue gets, what’s the total death toll from this so far, like 8 or something?), but they’re usually immediately condemned by everyone else. Offensive statements seem to be tolerated within the prochoice community.
While we’re at it, apparently according to joan, not only is aborting babies with Down Syndrome acceptable, its the right thing to do!!When one says things like that, they’re either trying to piss people off or have a heart so dark it would make these legendary conservatives who don’t care about people after they’re born seem nice.
Jack,
I’m just sick that I sent a troll to your blog. I can’t apologize enough. That comment was up, what, two minutes? Do these goons just sit on here day and night waiting for someone to troll? Can you change the blog URL so they can’t find it? Again, I apologize.
Jake, if you have any class at all, you’ll stay off Jack’s site and leave him alone. There’s nothing funny or amusing about the abuse of children (or anyone else for that matter) you’re only making a complete ass of yourself.
Those are among the most vile comments I’ve ever read. Bravo, Jake, its an all new low.
I don’t blame you MPCQ, don’t worry about it. It’s not your fault that some people are vile enough to say things like that. And if you think about it, it’s good when they attack our side like this. If they weren’t worried that we were winning, they would leave us alone, wouldn’t they? They are certainly getting more on the attack, and that’s only good news for our side.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Gandhi
I am sorry Jack.
I get the same thing. My name takes you right to my blog where I talk about what I am up to. Telling my abortion story, Good Friday Prayer Vigil etc.
I get some pretty nasty stuff. But they never see the light of day. They are never published. :)
You are a man of integrity and a survivor and I am so glad you are here!
Go Jake!!
You and Megs are made for each other.
Mary, thank you for your comments on this thread. I don’t think that anyone “shouldn’t” be a mother but I definitely think that lots of people find themselves overwhelmed and undersupported, and end up frustrated, and THAT’S UNDERSTANDABLE. I knew a girl in college who felt a lot like Brianna. She didn’t need to be called a horrible person for articulating her feelings. She needed to be listened to and helped. IMO telling a woman who is drowning under pressure and responsibility that she should feel fulfilled and grateful instead does nothing except push her down even further, because now you’re adding the guilt of “feeling wrong” on top of everything else. Don’t tell her what a gift motherhood is – show her.
Thank you Jack for having the guts to speak up for abuse victims-you have probably helped people you’ll never meet. Happy Easter, everyone.
http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prochoice-class-poking-fun-at-incest.html
this girl who aborted isnt in freedom. shes in bondage. she will stay there until she heals. im not sure if their mother is single but it seems to me that she ought to be teaching her teens self love and respect.
I know a lot of abuse victims. NONE of them wish they were dead. My girlfriend is now 75 years old. Her father raped her and her twin sister between the ages of 9 to 12. my friend sought help through a therapist and shes doing well.
Happy Easter all! MPQ i went to your blog the other day and i love it. You rock!!!!
Alexandra, I don’t see where anyone called Brianna (or her sister) a horrible person. Some of us do believe in calling others on the horrible things they say and do to others, though.
Brianna’s under a lot of pressure but she should not be totally let off the hook regarding her abusive comments regarding her child.
Yes, both sisters need to be listened to and helped. But we shouldn’t be trying to keep them from feeling guilty about their words and actions anymore than we should try to keep Jake from feeling guilty about the words he uses about incest victims.
If they feel guilty, it is only because they are. Their guilt doesn’t need to be put on the true victims. They need to own it.
This girl could still abort if she were to go to Warren Herns clinic. hed be more than happy to crush the babys skull and suck his brains out. Then hed toss the poor dead soul in the trash. Wouldnt Carhart do it too? Tiller would have. Do i miss George Tiller? NO!
Abortionists are serial killers. My buddy Jasper and I were on the same page with that one. I just dont understand how messed up your head must be to rip a baby apart. You must be sick in the head to be able to do such EVIL!
Thans, Heather :)
and you cant tell me its all about the money. Power perhaps? playing God? I wouldnt kill anyone for any amount of money. I just dont have it in me. George Tiller once said “Performing abortions is worth burning in Hell for.”…..I wonder how hes feeling about saying that these days!
no problem MPQ…i love how you let them have it!
Tiller really said that? Anybody got a link? Epic MPQ.
If you google that quote, the first thing you get is a link to this blog.
I saw that-watching the video.
It’s both horrifying and amusing to watch the Pro-Legal-Abortionists come in here (and even stalk Pro-Lifers from here elsewhere!) over the last week spouting the literary equivalent of head-spinning, carpet-wetting, pea soup-vomiting miasma.
We must be doing something very effective to get such a reaction.
Thank you X, Carla, MPQ, everyone else. Have a Happy Easter pro-lifers!
Indeed, Happy Easter, everyone! <3
heather says:
April 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm
and you cant tell me its all about the money. Power perhaps? playing God? I wouldnt kill anyone for any amount of money. I just dont have it in me. George Tiller once said “Performing abortions is worth burning in Hell for.”…..I wonder how hes feeling about saying that these days!
(Denise) Some people don’t believe a “baby” is killed. They believe the embryo or fetus is forming a baby.
While you probably are certain a “baby” is in place at conception, it is possible to see a zygote or blastocyst and even an early embryo as a kind of blueprint FOR a baby. If it is extracted early, no “baby” is killed because none has actually developed.
Whoopi Goldberg has had four abortions but has emphasized that she had them “very early in the pregnancy” and she doesn’t think “it’s a life but just stuff coming together” to form a life.
Regarding motives of abortionists, the motive very often is in fact just money. However, SOME of them are convinced that abortion is inevitable just as some who maintain abortion should be illegal believe that problem pregnancies are inevitable. They believe it’s just not psychologically possible for all of the million and a half girls and women who abort each year to carry to term and give birth. Thus, they see themselves as helping girls and women to have these procedures with — relative — safety while the unborn is doomed by the pregnant girl or woman’s attitudes toward her pregnancy.
I personally think it’s a disgrace that MUCH more progress hasn’t been made to address problem pregnancies. Pregnancies should be yearned for, not an occasion to panic.
Yes indeed MPQ Tiller did indeed say that! I havent looked up anything on him since his death but he did indeed say it. Mike remembers.
xalisae what does <3 mean?
Does this mean you are sticking out your tongue – or is it flubbing your tongue?
Thanks for the Happy Easter wishes.
Heather,
Not sure why that shocks me, but it does. Got to blog it.
yes we pro lifers strike a nerve with the pro death crowd. face it, abortion is NOT a simple procedure that goes away. the mother is haunted by the guilt either right away or somewhere down the road. Abortion is not a solution. abortion is the ultimate destruction of our society. If it werent a difficult subject ( like routine dental work or a haircut } then people would just blurt it right out. No tears. No emotion. Abortion is the killing of ones own child. Murder is a morbid topic.
Tyler,
Tilt your head and think Valentine’s Day.
and i saw a clip of this 16 and pregnant episode. I did not see her story, but it didnt seem like the teen dad gave a hoot. Either way this baby was NOT meant to be killed. she could still consider adoption. we have our choices and they all come with a price. The ideal choice would be to abstain from sex but that was not the case here. often these girls find themselves torn between finishing school and raising a baby. A few of my friends were teen moms and they did okay! they just had to put the education on the back burner. Adoption is difficult but nobody is murdered. Abortion destroys babies women and men. Carla spoke of the post abortive behaviors in women. That made a huge difference in the way i began to feel about them. I used to view it as cut and dry. its not that simple. AND its not that i want to see a post abortive woman suffer. It was just an eye opener to me that the consequences are everlasting without healing. Ive heard of women aborting so they wouldnt gain weight! i thought HUH? i hope there was more to it than that. Stories like that made me view those women as selfish. Back when i was PC i used to be able to think it was okay to abort due to relationship problems or a girls parents forcing her.
and after meeting many of the women from “silent no more” ive been able to educate myself even more. The pain never goes away. I believe women who say their abortions dont bother them { and i do know a few } i believe they are still stuck in denial. How could an abortion make you feel happy?
Denise pregnancy “panic” is, IMO, due to a lack of mature education about sex. Most “sex education” ends up being education about contraceptive use. People end up knowing a lot about contraception and very little about pregnancy and building a family. Whether you are pro or against contraception I think most adults recognize that sex and family education is greatly needed. The level of discourse about sex needs to be elevated so that it is not snickered at when it is discussed. The prevalence of pronography and the glorification of casual sexual relationships in Hollywood films and on Prime Time TV has made addressing sex in a serious and mature manner nearly impossible. Abstinence is ridiculed and characterized as something only “religious” people do and many secular people have banished it as an acceptable way to approach sexual activity outside of a committed relationship. Worse still, chastity within a committed relationship is not even mentioned in most discussions about sex. A greater number of people are now more scared as being seen as prudish than they are of failing to educate their children properly about sex. Individuals who are married and thereby model a conservative approach to sex are too often portrayed as old-fashioned. Sadly, many want to divorce sex from marriage. But the instituion of marriage, which protected the sexual bond between individuals as well as their respective interests in the children that are often created due to that activity, is the healthiest environment for sexual activity to occur. The entire society has decided to stick its collective head in the sand.
Carla,
Reading your blog, it’s awesome.
Hans, thanks I guess I was tilting my head the wrong way before.
this interpretation is kind of nice, and makes more sense.
Hi Doe,
law seems to lack experience.
Happy Easter to you and to everyone else.
Happy Easter to everyone!!!
Thank you MPQ!
It is troll free. :)
Tyler,
it’s a heart, but sometimes I use it sarcastically. ;)
This:
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is an anime-style face that means being goofy/cute/mischievous
example:
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eather says:
April 8, 2012 at 6:44 pm
and after meeting many of the women from “silent no more” ive been able to educate myself even more. The pain never goes away. I believe women who say their abortions dont bother them { and i do know a few } i believe they are still stuck in denial. How could an abortion make you feel happy?
(Denise) I have ALWAYS — and still do — believe that the denial of post abortion trauma is the worst sort of denial. Abortion is frequently a scarring experience and frequently harmful to a girl or woman’s mental health. I believe there are women who have become mentally disabled because of abortion. No one could possibly convince me otherwise.
I’m sad because I just noticed that there are apparently forty people who agree with law’s ridiculous rant about children and parents daring to exist. :/ What is wrong with people?
Jack, the more I talk with abortion advocates, the more I ponder the same question.
Haters gotta hate. She probably got her buddies to come in and hit the like button. No one here would, except the other trolls.
Love to get yallz opinions on this: what’s the lamest excuse you’ve heard for an abortion? weigh in here
http://moronicprochoicequotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/whats-lamest-excuse-for-abortion-youve.html
Jack,
MPQ is right. I doubt 42 trolls just happened by here. I’m sure they were buzzing amongst themselves to “like mob” law’s comments. They do it with Doug too, but he’s all right as far as trolls go. :) It’s kind of amusing they feel the need to do this. But you’ll notice they don’t do it for joan or CC. Odd. But then, look who we’re talking about! :)
There’s a continual pattern on this blog of prolife comments usually getting more likes than prochoice comments, and the prochoice comments winning by a lot the odd time they’re winning. So that suggests links being shared on social media. Kind of sad that they’re this desperate for validation.
Kind of sad that they’re this desperate for validation.
True that. But it also means more people exposed to the true freedom of the prolife way of thinking and living.
Jill’s FB likes continually go up (faster than the trolls like Doug and law’s posts).
I think we need to have a party when Jill hits 5000 likes!
Thanks, Tyler. I should know better than to let law and others’ comments get to me. I guess the autism comment hit a nerve. Wonder if these pro-aborts think I should have aborted my autistic son if autism could be detected in utero?
JDC: There’s a continual pattern on this blog of prolife comments usually getting more likes than prochoice comments, and the prochoice comments winning by a lot the odd time they’re winning. So that suggests links being shared on social media. Kind of sad that they’re this desperate for validation.
Dude, it’s a pro-life site, and the “Amen chorus” pretty well guarantees that most of the time there will be a plurality of “pro-life” votes. That said, Law (if that’s who you’re talking about) made some good points, so why wouldn’t lots of people agree?
If you mean law made a couple possibly logical points buried under a mess of baseless assertions and offensive generalizations, then I would agree with your comment, Doug. :)
If anything, you people don’t read the news, which is littered every day with “more mature” parents with their “feet on the ground and who are great at scheduling” abandoning or killing their kids or ignoring them to drown in the family pool while they sit at home playing Farmville. Just this past couple of months I read a story about a woman who left her toddler’s dead body on the side of a backroad, a dad who abandoned his toddler by a highway and it was found stabbed with hundreds of cactus needles, several stories about toddlers being crushed by the family television, and a story about toddlers’ hands being suspiciously scalded by the fireplace. How many li’l sizzlers are slated to die in their parent’s car this summer while either mom or dud “forgets” about them strapped in the back seat when temperatures soar to the upper 90s?
Why is it law Doug that parents don’t take better care of their little ones? Could it be they are a part of the me, me, me proabort group. If our society doesn’t respect little ones before they are born, should we really be surprised at the lack of respect for children after they are born? Abortion was suppose to cure these ails, remember law?
Lots of proaborts agree with law. She has her little groupies and so do you, Doug.
Jack: If you mean law made a couple possibly logical points buried under a mess of baseless assertions and offensive generalizations, then I would agree with your comment, Doug.
Okay, Jack, Law is a bit out there, agreed. However, in the same vein there are plenty of baseless assertions from the pro-life side. There are sentimental pseudo-“reasoning” and delusions at work. Such is the human condition.
Sure, I try to call everyone out on it, if I am paying attention. And when I do the same I expect to be called on it too. I don’t think you can make a good point while covering it in a lot of tripe and expect anyone to take you seriously. If I wrote a rant about how all pro-choicers are baby killers and are going to burn in hell, and blah blah blah, I wouldn’t expect you to take me particularly seriously.
Praxedes: Why is it law Doug that parents don’t take better care of their little ones?
There’s always a limit, Praxedes. Hey – many is the time that I’ve thought a parent or two ought to get a public spanking, say, because they’ve just been so darn stupid.
There’ve been times on planes when I felt a public flogging for the parents was entirely warranted, and I imagine the vast majority of the other passengers felt that way too.
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Could it be they are a part of the me, me, me proabort group. If our society doesn’t respect little ones before they are born, should we really be surprised at the lack of respect for children after they are born? Abortion was suppose to cure these ails, remember law?
No, abortion was not supposed to “cure” them. Legal abortion was not going to completely eradicate child abuse, etc – as long as anybody was having kids, some of that was going to happen. That is part and parcel of the human condition.
Legal abortion could eliminate 99.9999% of child abuse, and by your logic, you could still be complaining because not “all” the abuse had stopped.
And of course “99.9999%” is not the actual figure – how are we to know what it is? For sure, within the 40,000,000+ (?) more sentient, feeling people that would resulted from there being no legal abortion in the US, there would have been many, many cases of abuse.
Even aside from such considerations, how about the most basic thing – that in no way does simply automatically increasing the population – which making abortion illegal would do – make things “better” for kids/people in general. If anything, the argument is that population pressure makes things much worse.
that in no way does simply automatically increasing the population – which making abortion illegal would do – make things “better” for kids/people in general
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Are you saying that making abortion legal automatically decreased the population? Why did we pick on the unborn in order to decrease the population? Why not those folks over 75? Why not all males whose first name began with a D?
What segment of the population was abortion really suppose to decrease?
Doug says:
There’ve been times on planes when I felt a public flogging for the parents was entirely warranted, and I imagine the vast majority of the other passengers felt that way too.
Why was that Doug? Were the parents being neglectful/abusive?