Radicals push for forced abortion of pregnant 11-yr-old Chilean rape victim
If abortion were legal in the country of Chile, an 11-yr-old girl known as “Belén” would likely still be enduring rape by her mother’s 31-yr-old boyfriend.
Belén was recently discovered to be pregnant (now almost 15 weeks) when visiting her grandmother, who alerted authorities. The truth eventually tumbled out that the bf had been raping Belén since she was seven (some reports nine), threatening to kill her and her little brother if she told.
Belén’s mother “shocked Chileans… when she defended him saying his relationship was consensual,” quoting the Associated Press.
It stands to reason Belén’s mother would have seen to it that she got the abortion were it legal, if the bf hadn’t already taken care of it by threatening who knows what. With the evidence killed, the sexual abuse could have carried on unfettered, as it so often does, because abortion covers up rape and incest.
But that’s not what happened, since Chile is one of five Latin American countries that bans abortion under any circumstances, including rape. The perpetrator was caught. Belén’s baby saved her from further sexual abuse.
Upon hearing Belén’s story, abortion zealots went on the warpath, demanding the girl be given an abortion. What a great opportunity she presented to topple such an archaic religious mandate…
https://twitter.com/HalFoy/status/355433081999597568
Could #Chile be the next country to legalize #abortion? Case of pregnant 11-year-old rape victim reignites debate http://t.co/BseT4f58Gz
— Latin America Program (@LATAMProg) July 10, 2013
But Belén mangled their meme by saying she wanted her baby. With face obscured, Belén was interviewed on television (photo of her holding doll above right). Quoting ABC:
“It will be like having a doll in my arms,” she said, “but well, I am going to love it very much regardless of what it is, and regardless of whether it comes from that man who hurt me.”
Pro-life President Sebastian Pinera drew ire for praising Belén’s “depth and maturity.” This is because, while girls Belén’s age are apparently mature enough to get abortions, they are not mature enough to choose life. That kind of thinking is ”sick,” you know…
https://twitter.com/PamelaScully/status/355259499147296768
Others are pushing for Belen to be given an abortion against her will. More from the AP:
But experts say the girl’s life is at risk and that she is not prepared to make a decision about her pregnancy.
“At that age the girl doesn’t have a capacity of discernment, not even at age 14 would she have the mental and emotional capacity to discern this,” said Giorgio Agostini, a forensic psychologist who has worked on dozens of child sex abuse cases.
“It’s very likely that she is saying that she wants to have the baby like a living doll. We’ve seen this in other investigations,” Agostini said. “So what the president is saying doesn’t get close to the psychological truth of an 11-year-old-girl. It’s a subjective view that is not based on any scientific reasoning to support it.”
Former president Michelle Bachelet, the frontrunner in the Nov. 17 presidential elections, favours legalizing abortion in cases of rape or risks to the health of the pregnant woman or the child. The pediatrician who spent the past several years heading the United Nations agency for women, also referred to the child’s case in a recent interview.
“She’s a girl who needs to be protected and therefore I think a therapeutic abortion, in this case because of rape, would be in order,” Bachelet told local Radio ADN.
Even though she doesn’t want it.
What kind of psychologist (forensic?) claims a little girl who wants her baby will be psychologically harmed but forcing her to kill her baby will be psychologically helped? What kind of pediatrician claims it is “protecting” a girl to kill her baby? These people are nuts.
Chloe at the pro-abortion blog Feministing was incensed that Belén compared her baby to a doll….
Chloe darkly concluded, “This is what is looks like when anti-choicers get their way. The most vulnerable people get hurt, and then hurt again, and sometimes, they die,” assuming, apparently Belen is going to die, despite the fact she’s getting the best medical care. And ignoring the fact that if Chloe had her way someone else would most certainly die.
Of course, the girl is 11 and not fully mature and speaking in little girl terms. At any rate, I know plenty of older teens and women who were rudely awakened when their baby turned out not to be a doll. It’s a rather universal naive maternal thought to think of dolls as babies and babies as dolls, shock to you, Feministing. It’s WHY little girls like playing with dolls. They instinctively want to be mommies, despite your best efforts to quash such instincts.
typo alert
bans rape under any circumstances, including rape
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Feministing pro-aborts are not really for “choice” then, are they? They would have Belen assaulted one more time and traumatized for life with an abortion. And they just don’t get it that abortion protects rapists.
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Honestly, some of these people seem to be more offended by the lack of abortion than by the rape.
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Oh and Chloe, the term is pro-lifers, not anti-choicers. It’s kind of difficult to take anyone’s views seriously when they are ignorant of the basic terminology.
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Belen should carry to term as she wants. It is true that a baby is most certainly not a doll. Belen will need CONSIDERABLE help in caring for her child. Perhaps a good family should take in BOTH Belen and the baby.
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If this young woman is subjected to an unwanted abortion to fuel the political fervor of this “International Anti-Pregnancy Mafia”, she will be raped, yet again. Those who advocate abortion for her circumstances apply First-World Rationales for abortion to Second-World Life. Assuming from photos that she belongs to one of Chile’s tribal culture’s, becoming a parent is an important rite of passage into adulthood, not an impedance to further education or career growth. Unless she demonstrated exceptional intellectual ability, or her family is wealthy, her schooling ended a short while ago and she began working menial jobs to contribute to her family’s support. (This condition is shared by my South American foster daughter who became a mother earlier this year, without international intervention.) Those who truly care about this woman-child’s welfare will begin a fund, providing security for her and her child, thus breaking the bonds of poverty for this brave mother.
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Rosie, thank you, fixed!
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Isn’t this how the pro-aborts always treat rape victims? - Try to force an abortion upon the woman. And if she resists, then insult her. And treat her like she is a mental invalid or a criminal who is more vicious than the rapist.
I wish I lived in a country where the very President himself might offer words of encouragement and praise to a young rape victim who decides to give life to her child.
Since most women are pro-life, most rape victims choose life. It would be good politics to support what most women want, doncha think?
[Which has me wondering — Did Obama even mention the courageous motherhood of Amanda Berry in Cleveland, or the tragic victimization of Michele Knight and her children (the ones who were miscarried due to Ariel Castro’s violence, and the child who was left behind when she was kidnapped)?]
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These people talk as if the unborn child is not even present.
They should direct their outrage at the perp, and not at the victims.
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Abortion fans do not seem to see the correlation between forced abortion and rape.
Against someone’s will.
But then abortion is against a child’s will.
Hmmmmm. Much to ponder today.
I will be praying for this little girl and her baby. She doesn’t want an abortion!
And that her rapist be brought to justice.
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I’ve been called pretty heinous names for having “rape babies” with my ex-husband who sexually abused me.
Because, rape itself isn’t so bad, as long as women don’t have to have any darned “rape babies”. When you view sex as some inconsequential thing no different than a handshake or saying hello, even things like rape don’t seem so bad. And, what’s the big deal? It’s not like anyone who has a permissive attitude towards sex (even rape) wants to actually “force women to raise rape babies!!! OMGZ!!”, so it’s all cool, right?
*gag*
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I’ve seen so much vitriol towards and disgusting things said towards babies conceived in rape it makes me think that people have way less problem with rape then they do someone choosing to raise the child that resulted from the attack.
I could get their point kinda if the girl was quoted crying and upset because of the pregnancy, that would be really harsh and tough to be like “nah she can’t have an abortion” (though obviously it isn’t the babies fault it’s easy to see how people get emotional about this). And if her life is threatened the pregnancy should be terminated, it’s always better to save one if both can’t be saved. But she doesn’t want an abortion. Sure, she’s a child, and she doesn’t understand what goes into parenting at that age. But nothing is stopping an adoptive or foster family from taking both her and the baby and raising them both, away from her disgusting mother (who should be in prison along with the boyfriend). There’s no reason to force her into an abortion, do “reproductive rights” for minor girls only go one way for these people?
I will be really upset if they adopt out her kid though. They can be raised together, obviously she can’t parent on her own but they should not be separated, that would be horrible.
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xalisae, maybe they didn’t hear you correctly and they thought that your rapist caused you to have rabies instead of “rape babies.”
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Maybe I am not understanding this correctly……Belen’s own mother stated her rapist boyfriends raping of her daughter was “consensual?”
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“Maybe I am not understanding this correctly……Belen’s own mother stated her rapist boyfriend’s raping of her daughter was “consensual?” ”
Yup. Seems to be all the rage in incestuous and sexually abusive families for the mother to blame the kid rather than the grown man raping a child.
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Thank you Jack.
Good Lord. How disgusting.
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I missed the bit where ‘forced abortion’ was advocated.
The nearest thing I could find was “I think a therapeutic abortion, in this case because of rape, would be in order,” Everyone else is just saying that abortion should be available and an option.
Of course if the poor girl decided she did want an abortion, we can just imagine what we’d be reading then.
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Everyone else is just saying that abortion should be available and an option
Yeah, just look at who the “everyone” is in this case.
The stepfather who raped her.
The mother, who, look at any any way you like, abused or neglected her daughter
Feminists who want to use her as a pawn to legalize abortion
Potential presidential candidate who wants to use her as a pawn for same.
Yeah, they’re all so disinterested and have her best interests at heart. Unbiased and well-thought-out opinions all. You get unintentionally funnier all the time, Reality.
The girl may be naive about parenting but she at least knows the difference between preserving life and dealing death. That alone gives her about 100% more character, intelligence and maturity than anyone around her.
My heart goes out to her. I pray that she and her baby will be OK.
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“The stepfather who raped her.” – I missed the bit where he said abortion should be available and an option or that the girl should be forced to abort.
“The mother, who, look at any any way you like, abused or neglected her daughter” – I missed the bit where she said abortion should be available and an option or that the girl should be forced to abort.
“Feminists who want to use her as a pawn to legalize abortion” - if the poor girl decided she did want an abortion, we can just imagine what we’d be reading then.
“Potential presidential candidate who wants to use her as a pawn for same.” – I missed the bit where she said that the girl should be forced to abort.
“That alone gives her about 100% more character, intelligence and maturity than anyone around her.” – which of those said she should be forced to abort?
You get more imaginative all the time ;-)
“What kind of psychologist (forensic?) claims a little girl who wants her baby will be psychologically harmed but forcing her to kill her baby will be psychologically helped?” – I missed where the forensic psychologist involved said that.
“What kind of pediatrician claims it is “protecting” a girl to kill her baby?” – one who speaks from qualifications and experience rather than doctrine?
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“You get unintentionally funnier all the time, Reality.”
To be fair, I still think his greatest act of unintentional comedy when he named himself for the purposes of commenting on this site.
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Of course, it may not actually have been unintentional. This could all be some long, drawn out joke on his part.
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I know one thing: his favorite author is Hoo Phlung Puh.
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Ah, your usual rivetting and incisive standard of comment I see JDC. Demonstrating yet again the absolute relevance of the moniker I use.
Yet Hoo lacks the sheer imagination of so much I see written here ninek.
And doesn’t seem able to cast a magic spell over their writing that causes people to think they are reading things which simply aren’t there like I often see displayed here ;-)
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Try reading between the lines, Reality. There’s a whole bunch of more reality hidden there.
There is a great hue-and-cry for abortion in Chile, because of this young girl who will never want one.
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‘to infer something (from something else); to try to understand what is meant by something that is not written explicitly or openly.’
‘to try to understand someone’s real feelings or intentions from what they say or write’
‘to find a hidden meaning in something said or written’
Ah, but whose reality Del.
There’s a big difference between ‘reading between the lines’ and ‘making stuff up’ especially when claiming people have said specific things when they haven’t.
The headline claimed there was a push for ‘forced abortion’, I see no evidence of it whatsoever.
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Hi Jill and Prolifers you bring up a lot of great points. Jack your point is well taken about the “disgusting mother”. I know of a case in another state where a 9 or 10 year old girl started telling her friends about her mother’s boyfriend molesting her. They didn’t want to “snitch” on her so they kept quiet and didn’t tell an adult for a few weeks but she kept telling until another child heard her story and told an adult. They were able to interview the child and she told them he even had taken nude cellphone photos of her. They called DCFS and when they brought in the “mother” (I use that word loosely) she denied it ever happened when they showed her the cellphone pics of her daughter she said “she must have asked for it”. The adults who were trying to help the family were so worried about this child because they know the child was going to be the “scapegoat” with the mother blaming her for everything that happened. I hope and pray this child is in a safe place today because the “boyfriend” was probably going to spend a little time in jail and the “mother” was probably going to kick the daughter out to take him back. Unfortunately friends of mine that are child psychologists, social workers and ministers see this all too often. God help our children. I pray this child and her baby will both go to a good safe home also Jack.
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At that age the girl doesn’t have a capacity of discernment, not even at age 14 would she have the mental and emotional capacity to discern this,
…so we have to discern FOR her
She’s a girl who needs to be protected
…from herself and her own poor judgment…
and therefore I think a therapeutic abortion, in this case because of rape, would be in order,
…whether or not the 11-yr-old agrees.
Part of mature adult discernment is understanding that sometimes people don’t say what they mean because it’s easier to ask forgiveness than permission. In this case, it seems clear that these individuals are rallying to make the case that Belen is incapable of discerning whether or not she should/could handle giving birth to her own son/daughter.
For once in a long time, I feel like DeniseNoe made the most sensible comment. There is a clear need in this instance for a great deal of support for Belen, both now and after she has this baby (God-willing). There is a great need for us to remember that this child is merely a girl, and will require a strong and loving protector to guide her through this. I hope that the infant is not taken from her without due process. I would say that the grandmother seems like a good candidate for having the good sense to report what she observed, but I worry, knowing only that and that she raised Belen’s mother.
This poor young girl has been abused enough. I pray that the abortion lobbyists don’t further the abuse. I cannot fathom how having your child ripped from your body and murdered against your will can possibly be seen as a mercy. If Belen were a grown woman who wished to keep a rape baby, there would be no question as to whether or not forcing an abortion would be abuse. When it happens to a child, when a child has been so damaged and so hurt, we think it is a mercy? God help us.
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* should be “was” between “comedy” and “when” in my first 9:02 comment. D’oh!
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Tis ok JDC, I read between the lines :-)
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Prolifer L, it is really common I’ve read. When I was a younger I thought it was just my mother, but from what I’ve found in reading about the subject it’s really common to blame the kid. The mom wants to keep the man, usually, so she’ll sell out her kid for him. Sometimes charges are brought in cases like the woman who has been arrested for giving her boyfriend permission to rape her infant or the woman who held her three-year-old’s hand while her husband raped her. But more often than not the dude just gets arrested, CPS might be involved for a while, but the kids aren’t removed from the home. I think if a mother/father is aware their child is being sexually abused and does nothing about it they should at the very least lose custody automatically, they’ve proven that they can’t be a responsible parent in any way.
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Jack, I am sorry that you have heard this is a really common scenario as well. Someone needs to protect these kids. Children are being used and abused by the very people who are supposed to protect them. I agree the other parent/guardian who knows about the abuse should be held culpable and lose custody.
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If she and her baby can be adopted into a supportive, loving home, Denise, her story would be a lot like that of famous actor Jack Nicholson.
But yeah, he’s probably secretly a serial killer or something, too.
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…well, that didn’t last long.
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Does anyone know if there has been a charity set up in Belen’s name?
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A child conceived in rape.
I despise the term “rape baby.”
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Carla,
You’re absolutely right.
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Reality says:
July 15, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Ah, but whose reality Del.
There is only one reality. It belongs to everyone.
The reality is that an insane mob wants the license to kill children, and so they are using this tragic case to push their lust.
Meanwhile, this young mother has the natural (“real”) instinct to protect the life of her child — without regard to the cruel circumstances of the child’s conception.
Now, read it all again with this truth in mind — and see how much more reality is visible to you.
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Thank you, Carla! I was just going to say – WHY does everyone keep saying “rape baby”? A baby is a baby – a HUMAN BEING – regardless of “how” that baby was conceived ! People need to stop “labeling” the children because of the circumstances of their conception. I object to the label “rape baby” as much as I’ve objected to being labeled a “B****rd”. (I think you can fill in the blanks there).
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“There is only one reality. It belongs to everyone.” – that may be Del. But not everyone sees it the same way. Everyone has their own unique perspective.
“Now, read it all again with this truth in mind” – like I said Del, there is a difference between reading between the lines and simply making stuff up on no basis.
The abuser has not said the girl must have an abortion.
The mother has not said the girl must have an abortion.
The psychiatrist has not said the girl must have an abortion.
The pediatrician has not said the girl must have an abortion.
For all we know the abuser and the mother may be staunch anti-choicers.
The truth is that the accusations that forced abortion is being advocated are utterly baseless.
That is the reality.
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Learn the difference between correlation and causation, Denise. :)
And you know what – this whole thing just makes me sick. You know what’s “just sick?” The fact that this little 11 year old girl has been repeatedly raped by her “mother’s” boyfriend!! How can these people over look that? I mean, that’s what makes me sick. Child abuse makes me physically ill, especially within families. When it’s covered up. If this poor girl hadn’t gotten pregnant, no one would have done anything. Good thing her grandmother noticed she was pregnant before the nasty boyfriend “took care of the problem.” Unfortunately, that seems to be a trend too – punching the victim to cause a miscarriage.
This mother and her boyfriend are scum.
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So, the mods have decided that they are allowing this type of Denise comment now?
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JDC says:
July 16, 2013 at 10:51 pm
So, the mods have decided that they are allowing this type of Denise comment now?
(Denise) Somebody ELSE brought up those statistical links and said “correlation may not be causation.” I agreed and pointed out other possible explanations for this link.
At any rate, in the case discussed, this young lady AND her baby should probably be taken in by a family. She CANNOT appropriately mother the child unless given EXTENSIVE assistance. Guardianship or a quasi-adoption of some sort are MANDATORY in this type of case.
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Sorry JDC.
Sometimes they slip through.
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“Sorry JDC.
Sometimes they slip through.”
OK, I’ll e-mail you next time instead of just complaining. :)
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Deal.
carla@jillstanek.com
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Parenting works differently in Chile than it does in the USA. Normally, if there is a mother that isn’t able to parent the child for a while the entire family steps in. In this case the pregnant mother will most likely go to live with grandmother and all the extended family will help her raise her child. Most families live close together and help one another out. I personally know a little 11 year old Texas girl that had a baby with her 13 y/o boyfriend. Medically she had no problems. Of course she has had to have help raising her child but she is older now and doing a better job of being a mother than many highly educated women I have known.
It is a living human being and her flesh and blood. Of course she doesn’t want to kill it.
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She should live with the relative that reported the abuse, I don’t know if other family member’s could be trusted.
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Jack,
The grandmother reported the abuse. Where is Dad? If the grandmother who reported the abuse is the same grandmother who raised the woman who called the abuse consensual, I seriously question the wisdom of sending her to that home. I would hope that whoever taught her to value and love this life would provide a safe place for her and for her baby…
It’s a difficult situation, though, and without being there/knowing her, there is little way for us to speak as to the best home for these two children. :( Of the adults presented in this article, I agree that Grandma seems like the best candidate.
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Belen is Spanish for Bethlehem.
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“There is only one reality. It belongs to everyone.” – that may be Del. But not everyone sees it the same way. Everyone has their own unique perspective.
Oh, vomit.
Yes, everyone has his own perspective, duh. But not all views are equally valid.
Sheesh, I am sure the rapist of this girl has his own unique perspective, but who cares. His perspective is wrong. Just like killing kids is wrong.
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When was the last time you saw “pro-choicers” complaining about forced abortion in China?
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Hmm?
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Yeah, not happening.
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Oh, they might say they are against it if backed into a corner, or not, but they sure as hell aren’t wasting any effort opposing it. That is cuz they ain’t pro choice.
They are pro abortion.
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“Oh, vomit”
What are you on about hippie?
“Sheesh, I am sure the rapist of this girl has his own unique perspective.”
You don’t appear to have followed the conversation. At all.
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The president plans to induce labor at 22 weeks if the pregnancy becomes dangerous. A micro-preemie at that age has about a 10% chance of survival. I certainly don’t envy the person who will have to explain those odds to the little girl.
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LisaC says:
July 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm
The president plans to induce labor at 22 weeks if the pregnancy becomes dangerous. A micro-preemie at that age has about a 10% chance of survival. I certainly don’t envy the person who will have to explain those odds to the little girl.
(Denise) 10% is better than 0. The girl is pre-teen so the pregnancy might be inherently dangerous to her. You can do the best medical science can presently do to ensure that the girl delivers safely and that the baby is born but the best might not be good enough to save both.
Regarding what they say to the little girl: “This pregnancy is dangerous because of your age. It has become apparent that we must try to deliver early. We will do everything we can to ensure life for you and life for your baby.”
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Hippie, if and when pro-aborts do mention the forced abortions in China, each and every time they MUST mention “forced birth.” The sentence usually goes: “Well forced abortions are terrible as are forced births…” It seems to be a heavy, unwritten law that they cannot say one without the other.
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LIFE….is LIFE….whether created by a loving relationship or a rape….
Embrace ALL Life from conception to natural death!
Someone needs to adopt both the 11yo and this pre-born baby!
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@ Carla and JDC: I said NOTHING – absolutely NOTHING — about the statistical links between adoption and serial murder and parricide. It was xalisae and LibertyBelle who brought those subjects up. I CONCEDED to LibertyBelle that adoption might NOT be the cause of that correlation since other plausible explanations have been suggested.
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