Jivin J’s Life Links 4-20-11
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- Politico has an article on the reason why pro-choice organizations aren’t challenging fetal pain laws banning abortion after 20 weeks:
Republican legislatures across the country are passing tough new anti-abortion laws – and while abortion rights advocates believe the new laws are unconstitutional, they’re not rushing to court to stop them.
The reason: There’s a decent chance they’d lose….
The Center for Reproductive Rights, a stalwart defender of abortion rights, says that the law ranks lower down in its priorities since it only regulates a small number of procedures that occur later in the pregnancy.
Strange, they didn’t have that problem when it came to partial-birth abortion….
- Dahlia Lithwick’s column in Slate has more information into “scared of what Justice Kennedy could do” thinking inside the leadership at pro-choice organizations. It’s also noteworthy that this thinking doesn’t seem to go over well with the pro-choice ground troops.
- A sheriff’s office in North Carolina is investigating a former high school teacher after a college student’s personal essay describes having an affair with a teacher and him taking her to an out-of-town abortion clinic.
- Here’s a new pro-life commercial featuring Abby Johnson:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssju5U4Nook[/youtube]
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Lithwick’s Slate column is encouraging even despite her obvious pro-choice (= pro-abortion) bias. However, I have one correction: There is nothing stealth about the pro-life movement’s efforts to abort abortion. Whether we make Roe v Wade obsolete, or whether it gets overturned, our goal has always been no secret: stop killing innocent humans: let them develop, mature, and live out their natural life spans without interference. We have always been obvious and up-front about human life.
I wonder if the other side learned to be cautious from the PBA debate, and these 20 week unborn pain bans could be similar in that they naturally tack toward a winning pro-life message. I wouldn’t like to be the PP spokesman trying to defend abortions on babies that can feel pain…
Fine, if they want to ignore it, let’s just keep passing the law in more states.
Abby Johnson rocks. With much authority.
Wow, these anti-abortion bills are really pulling weight in this country, things are starting to look promising :)
Whether we make roev.wade obsolete, or whether it’s overturned, our goal has always been no secret: stop killing innocent humans
Here’s an idea for another approach to go along with these anti-abortion bills. A lot of states have bills about regulating the health and cleanliness standards of abortion clincs. They need to be up to code with hospital conditions and this could be very expensive and cause a lot of clincs to shut down.
This might be an effective way to close down a lot of abortion clincs, it seems like an easy case to make. I don’t see how it’s unconstitutional to have clinics meet hospital standards, after all abortion clinics are about health care and women services, it’s only right they should be up to health codes.
This has been happening in Florida and a few other states, i think this would be a good thing to campaign for in the anti-abortion movement.
Yes JS, it’s time abortions were carried out in hospitals like it is in most of the rest of the ‘modern’ world. Why on earth this procedure is relegated to clinic status is beyond me. Then its factor of safety over childbirth would be even better than it already is.
Well I’m not sure of every reason abortions are relegated to hospitals but I’d say a lot of it has to do with doctor’s attitudes to abortion.
Hospitals have been providing less abortions because of the physicians, this may explain why clinics are usually responsible for them. Now even clinics are having this problem, such as planned parenthood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOaOiY1ODp8&feature=player_embedded
Theres a lot of research that would suggest the reason less abortions happen in hospitals is because of the doctors attitude about abortion. It just goes to show that even a lot of doctors find abortion to be wrong and they are taking a stand for it.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2134675
Yes well, given the percentage of faith-founded hospitals who disallow abortions I guess another reason might be that doctors are scared of the um… “repercussions”.
“Yes well, given the percentage of faith-founded hospitals who disallow abortions I guess another reason might be that doctors are scared of the um… “repercussions”.”
Nah, the prohibition of abortion procedures by the hospital actually attracts doctors. If the hospital permitted abortions, it would have more trouble recruiting doctors who don’t want to be associated with an abortion hospital.
Abortion is marginalized for good reason.
Reality, why don’t you step away from the keyboard for a few minutes and read Bernard Nathanson’s two books, Aborting America and the Hand of God. He explains very well why abortions are done in their own facilities and not hospitals.
But isn’t it just so nice to picture two pregnant women in the same waiting room, one for care and one for killing. That wouldn’t be awkward at all. Nope.
There goes “unreality” again.”
I agree with you carder “Abby Johnson rocks” and she is PP’s worst nightmare come true. “PP lies to you”. It is all about the bottom line. Cha-ching, not about helping poor women. Did anyone hear a cash register?
Ask any of the post-abortive women that I know including relatives and friends of mine “What was the most important question PP asked you, their number 1 concern?” The Answers ”You know payment is due up front, right?” “How are you going to pay for this?” “Will that be cash or credit card?” “If you don’t have the money right now, when can we reschedule you for your procedure?”
“Will that be Visa or Mastercard today?”
That is what I was asked.
Reality says: April 20, 2011 at 8:31 pm
1. “Yes JS, it’s time abortions were carried out in hospitals like it is in most of the rest of the ‘modern’ world.
2. Why on earth this procedure is relegated to clinic status is beyond me.
3. Then its factor of safety over childbirth would be even better than it already is.”
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Real-stupid-ity,
3. Perhaps for the pre-natal child’s biological parent, but NOT for the child!
2. Oh really!?!?
I do believe you are being just a wee bit disingenuous, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word and accept that you have neither the will nor the wit to figure it out.
I will go a step further and ‘splain it to you’:
A. Cost
B. Freedom from the regulations associated with real hospitals
C. Absence of accountability
1. That most abortions are carried out in ‘hospitals’ any where in the world, modern or otherwise is absurd, even where elective abortion has been de-criminalized.
Most medical professionals shun abortion and abortionists like b o shuns his Kenyan brother and his aunt Zeituni.
“Ask any of the post-abortive women that I know including relatives and friends of mine “What was the most important question PP asked you, their number 1 concern?” The Answers ”You know payment is due up front, right?” “How are you going to pay for this?” “Will that be cash or credit card?” “If you don’t have the money right now, when can we reschedule you for your procedure?”
Gee, what happened? I thought the federal government was subsidizing abortions on the taxpayer dime? Yet women are still being charged for them? What gives? Who is getting free abortions, courtesy of the federal money that Planned Parenthood is receiving? I thought this was the big issue here.
“Yet women are still being charged for them? What gives?”
Couldn’t have said it better myself. PP takes aborting mothers’ money *and* federal money… and the dollars are fungible, so they can be moved around as needed. Bottom line: PP makes some pretty good money.