(Not so) pro-life vid of day: Planned Parenthood prez on Roe
by LauraLoo
This video by Planned Parenthood Federation of America from one year ago reflects on 40 years of Roe v. Wade.
Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards, abortionists, and others tout the necessity to continue to provide “safe and legal” access to abortion – with Cecile making the claim that certain politicians “still spend every day trying to take away women’s access to health care.”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClXipYTzrbU[/youtube]
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I made it longer than I thought I would.
I made it to 2:07.
Tonya Reeves. Christin Gilbert. Laura Smith.
They died during their “safe” abortions. So glad you are there to comfort their grieving families. To make sure that their families know how truly sorry you are for their deaths.
God help you.
Mildred Hansen is an abortionist near me. I have prayed for her for years.
Dear Cecile,
You are clueless. And one day abortion will be no more and all of your celebrating death will catch up to you.
I pray for you too. That you turn from your wicked ways and beg for God’s forgiveness.
Wow! Celebrating killing unborn babies!! Wow!! OK. Carla after I cool off then I will try to pray for Cecile. I will pray for the AA young lady who is a PP activist also.
Thank god for Cecile Richards!!
Troll
Are you post abortive Steven?
WHAT about abortion has you so celebratory about it? What makes you sooooooo happy that Cecile spews about the joys and wonders of legalized child killing??
Carla, you know more women die from pregnancy related complications than abortions right?
But you seem to want to force women to go through with their pregnancies whether they want to or not. Very “pro life” of you.
Chelle: We know that every death of a woman due to abortion an complications can be avoided. We can save them from that. We can save them from the pain, the depression, the drug and alcohol abuse, the suicide attempts, the shame. We can save them from all of that.
No woman’s life was ever saved by abortion.
And we know that every child dies in an abortion (except a rare few, when the abortionist fails and the mother doesn’t die). We can save the children, too. 56 million, we have not been permitted to save.
Helping women to have safe childbirths — that is another concern, and we applaud and support those who are working toward real improvements in maternal healthcare.
Abortion is not healthcare.
I agree with Del. Abortion is NOT healthcare.
Chelle,
Did you know that a child is murdered in every abortion? And you want that to continue?
55 million innocent babies in 41 years.
How very proabortion of you.
my my it is troll feeding time I guess
Steven and Chelle,
What makes you so proabortion? And what brings you to the nation’s top prolife blog??
Women that die from abortion are recorded as dying from “pregnancy related complications”. Why don’t more women demand that REAL and ACCURATE numbers be reported? Why don’t we know exactly how many abortions are done each year why are adverse outcomes ignored? Enough of this voluntary reporting bs. The FACT is that no one can say abortion is safer than childbirth because no one is keeping tabs on the abortion industry. Everyone that quotes that fake statistic just wants to convince themselves that they care more about women than pro-lifers. They don’t. Abortion is not healthcare; it harms women and kills children.
We don’t agree with you = troll. Ha! Carla….we come to represent the millions and millions of people who not only disagree with you but will fight for abortion rights tooth and nail.
Fixed! “we come to represent the millions and millions of people who not only disagree with you but will fight tooth and nail to continue killing unborn children.”
Lrning call it what you will.
“No woman’s life was ever saved by abortion.”
What about those abortions that happen because a woman’s life at risk due to the pregnancy?
“Did you know that a child is murdered in every abortion? And you want that to continue?”
Actually, its called a fetus and 98% of the time abortions occur before the fetus is viable?
Or is using actual facts and science hard for you to cling to how “pro life” you are?
“Why don’t more women demand that REAL and ACCURATE numbers be reported?”
Because we already have it? Why do “pro lifers” continue to deny actual facts just because it doesn’t match up to to their so called “pro life” claims?
Fixed! “we come to represent the millions and millions of people who not only disagree with you but will fight tooth and nail for people to make their own medical decisions without government interference.”
I just find it so laughable when people claim that no one is regulated the abortion industry. The GOP has spent more time on abortions bills than imaginable. Abortion is considered a major political platform. And abortion is legal – there’s no need to keep stuff hidden. Its not like any will be reveled that people don’t already know. And if you think stuff is being hidden when the procedure is legal – what makes you think making it illegal will change that? Abortion occurred before Roe vs Wade you know. If there is stuff being unreported, its no more than any other medical procedure.
And abortion is legal – there’s no need to keep stuff hidden.
Then tell us how old your child would be now.
Carry on Steven and Chelle.
God help you.
“Because we already have it?”
No you don’t. CDC and Guttmacher numbers don’t agree. Abortions and any adverse effects are reported voluntarily and when a woman goes to the hospital from a botched abortion, the incident is usually recorded as a “pregnancy related issue”. So why aren’t you pushing for the TRUE & ACCURATE numbers for abortion? It’s one of the most common procedures women undergo in the US. Why shouldn’t adverse outcomes be recorded so the medical community and the public have a true picture of the safety (or danger) of abortion? I’m against abortion and think it should be illegal to kill an innocent human being, but even if I were still pro-choice I would be pushing for at least SAFE and legal to be true. Pro-choicers today sacrifice the safe to maintain the legal. It shows just how little they care about women.
“And abortion is legal – there’s no need to keep stuff hidden. Then tell us how old your child would be now.”
I’ve never had an abortion.However, a good friend of mine wouldn’t be here if her mother didn’t terminate an abortion that was life risking. Because she did, she was able to go on to have two more children, one of which is disabled.
But I guess its hard for you prolifers to realized that not everyone who is prochoice is just jumping to “kill babies.”
“Abortions and any adverse effects are reported voluntarily and when a woman goes to the hospital from a botched abortion, the incident is usually recorded as a “pregnancy related issue”
What are you talking about? 46 states require regular reports and 27 require providers to report any post abortion complications. Unless you seriously consider 4 states to be some sort of conspiracy. http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_ARR.pdf
And even this pro life site acknowledeges that deaths from legal abortions are going down and there were more deaths from abortions before Roe vs Wade. So you really think outlawing abortion will save more women? http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
“What are you talking about?”
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/Data_Stats/Abortion.htm
Are states required to report their abortion statistics to CDC?
No, states and areas voluntarily report data to CDC for inclusion in its annual Abortion Surveillance Report. CDC’s Division of Reproductive Health prepares surveillance reports as data become available. There is no national requirement for data submission or reporting.
“So you think outlawing abortion will save more women?”
I think outlawing abortion would save children’s lives and save women from the tragedy of abortion. I think required national reporting would provide the public and the medical community with necessary abortion safety information.
“I made it longer than I thought I would.
I made it to 2:07.”
Carla,
I really don’t wanna dirty my mind with this video of the CEO of the largest organization of murderers in the US either.
What is the difference between being in-uteral and being out? Viability? That human being is still going to rely on SOMEBODY until they’re old enough/able to provide completely for themselves.
Once human being conceived, stays human being all through development. You can’t pick and choose…either it’s always a human life or it’s something other than human and if so, then WHAT type of species is the pre-born human being? Dragonfly? Cat? Dog? Anatomically correct Plastic Doll? (in naming those other species and the plastic doll comment, I’m being sarcastic, not serious, just in case it wasn’t obvious).
I’m confused because people constantly act like the pre-born human being is some other species simply because said being is inside the womb rather than outside. So if said being is NOT human, then what species is that being?
Based on what I’ve witnessed as a woman and a mother: In EVERY stage of my pregnancy I was not pregnant with any other type of species except human.
Ah, I see. The old “well, they don’t have to report it to this one place, therefore they’re covering something!”
46 states require abortion providers to report their activities. I think its kind of sad that in your efforts to be all “abortion is unregulated and its all voluntary” you have to resort to “there’s no federal law requiring them to report to this one particular place! Conspiracy!”
“I think outlawing abortion would save children’s lives and save women from the tragedy of abortion”
Way to overlook my link that shows (from a prolife site no less) that more women die from illegal abortions than legal abortions.
And no, outlawing abortion doesn’t stop women from seeking one
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html?_r=0
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/4/gpr120402.html
“abortion is unregulated”
Please quote where I said that.
The statistic on that site you quoted showing more women die from illegal than legal abortions is meaningless because abortion statistics are incomplete and inaccurate.
I think it’s pathetic that the #1 cause of human death in the US is not monitored with any accuracy by the CDC.
Because she did, she was able to go on to have two more children
Regarding the argument that if one child is executed, others will be allowed to come into existence is comparable to saying if I decapitate my hamster today, I can get another hamster sometime in the future who hasn’t yet been conceived.
Except that Chelle is talking about killing real humans and I am talking about killing a hamster.
Dead babies. No matter what.
Chelle, what do you make of this study from eastern Europe (which suggests that legalizing abortion does increase its incidence)?
http://repository.wellesley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=economicsfaculty
But even if it’s true that outlawing abortion won’t reduce it (which I find unlikely and counter-intuitive), how is that reason to be against such laws? If pro-lifers are correct that abortion is a violent act that unjustly kills an innocent human being, is that not reason enough to be against it? There are countries (ie Egypt) where female genital mutilation is rampant despite being illegal, but that does not cause me to question the validity of the law.
“If pro-lifers are correct that abortion is a violent act that unjustly kills an innocent human being, is that not reason enough to be against it?”
And if you’re not correct? You’ve most likely cost the lives of innocent women.
Pregnancy carries numerous complications, including death. I don’t agree that the government should be involved in medical decisions and I certainly don’t agree that the government should force its people to play Russian Roulette with their lives.
“Please quote where I said that.”
So you’re now claiming that you never said this “The FACT is that no one can say abortion is safer than childbirth because no one is keeping tabs on the abortion industry”
I think its sad that instead of acknowledging that abortion is statistically safe (safer than pregnancy actually) you’re focusing on the fact that while abortion providers are required to report to their states they’re not required to report to the one place of your specific choosing.
I’m sure if they were required to report to the CDC, you’d be going on about how abortion providers aren’t coming over to your house to report in person to you.
Ah, so I see Praxedes, my friend shouldn’t be here and her mom should be death rather than get a life saving abortion.
How prolife of you.
And if you’re not correct? You’ve most likely cost the lives of innocent women.
I never denied that the stakes are very high. If I’m wrong, I could be opposing a woman’s right to have a perfectly safe medical procedure that should require no more justification than removing an ingrown toenail. If you’re wrong, you could be supporting a system that sanctions the killing of thousands of innocent human beings every day (almost always by one or both of their parents) because they’re in the way and can’t defend themselves. It’s clearly essential to determine who has the best arguments. However, none of this is dependent on whether or not “outlawing abortion stops women from seeking them” (which is a rather vague statement to begin with).
Pregnancy carries numerous complications, including death. I don’t agree that the government should be involved in medical decisions and I certainly don’t agree that the government should force its people to play Russian Roulette with their lives.
Comparing pregnancy to Russian Roulette is a bit over the top (given that the risk of death is about 1 in 10000, which makes it safer than driving a car in any year). Domestic violence is also a common cause of death (particularly with pregnant women), but we do not make it legal for pregnant women to kill their intimate partners unless they’re directly repelling an immediate assault (even though doing so might reduce the number of deaths from domestic violence).
I disagree that the government should never be involved in medical decisions. Particularly in the context of pregnancy, there are some things that should not simply be a private matter between a woman and her doctor. One example is thalidomide, an effective sleeping pill that was prescribed in the 1950s and early 60s. Pregnant women who took it experienced less severe morning sickness. However, their unborn children were subjected to terrible birth defects (including blindness, shortened or missing limbs, and damage to vital organs). The drug was banned shortly after these effects were discovered, but not before thousands of children had been permanently harmed. I think it goes without saying that pregnant women should not be allowed to take thalidomide, even though that means involving the government in their medical decisions. Likewise, if abortion actually kills a human being, it should not be allowed either. It’s not enough to appeal to a woman’s right to make her own medical decisions without government interference.
her mom should be death rather than get a life saving abortion
It’s hard to re-write history when it’s right here in black and white, Chelle. Your former statement said your friends’ mom’s pregnancy was risky but now you say her abortion was done to safe her life. Your full of it.
How untruthful of you.
So you agree thats a risk to a woman’s when it comes to pregnancy but claim its not Russian Roulette because the risk is small? Do you know what Russian Roulette is? The whole point of the game is that there’s a chance of death, even though there’s a greater chance to live.
By keeping abortion legal, I could be sanctioning the deaths of many. However, by making abortion illegal, I would for sure be sanctioning the deaths of many. No way around that.
And I’m not sure if you meant to contradict yourself with the domestic violence example but you did. No, we don’t let pregnant women kill their husbands just because they may abuse them. But we certainly don’t penalize women who defend themselves in domestic violence situations. Once its an actual domestic violence situation then yes, we do let women protect themselves however they can.
I certainly hope you can see the difference between the government regulating pills vs a government deciding what medical procedures someone can undergo.
And you even admit that there’s an “if” involved with abortion. The government, non medical professionals, certainly should not be inferring with a medical expert based on an “if.” Especially when a woman’s life is involved.
And honestly, where does it stop if you start going down that slippery slope? Is the government able to deny a sterilization procedure just because the person might change their mind? Can they stop a plastic surgery procedure? Can they deny someone a liver transplant because they decided another person is a better option?
At what point do we realize that the people who make our laws are not medical professionals nor are they necessarily consulting medical professionals?
“By keeping abortion legal, I could be sanctioning the deaths of many. However, by making abortion illegal, I would for sure be sanctioning the deaths of many.”
You’ve got it exactly backwards. Virtually every abortion ends in a death. (Except for the rare case where the abortion is unsuccessful and the fetus lives.) So by supporting legal abortion you are sanctioning the deaths of millions. Making abortion illegal doesn’t sanction the death of anyone. If a woman breaks the law by seeking out an illegal abortion and pays for that mistaken choice with her life, that is not a death sanctioned by those that support making abortion illegal. Prolifers don’t sanction women breaking the law and getting illegal abortions. How ridiculous. All abortion is wrong, legal and illegal, and needs to stop.
I know what Russian roulette is. It traditionally entails playing a game that has a 1 in 6 chance of killing you, for frivolous reasons. Not every risk is comparable to Russian roulette. I do not consider someone to be playing Russian roulette when they drive themselves to work. I do not consider someone to be playing Russian roulette if they refrain from killing someone if that puts them at a marginally greater risk.
And I’m not sure if you meant to contradict yourself with the domestic violence example but you did. No, we don’t let pregnant women kill their husbands just because they may abuse them. But we certainly don’t penalize women who defend themselves in domestic violence situations. Once its an actual domestic violence situation then yes, we do let women protect themselves however they can.
But that’s my point. The woman needs to be directly faced with a serious criminal assault. “He might kill me someday, and I’m safer if he’s not around” is not considered an acceptable defence for homicide.
I certainly hope you can see the difference between the government regulating pills vs a government deciding what medical procedures someone can undergo.
I don’t, honestly. In one case, the medical treatment in question is a pill. In the other, it’s an elective surgical procedure. In either case, we should not allow it because it causes severe harm to an innocent person.
And you even admit that there’s an “if” involved with abortion. The government, non medical professionals, certainly should not be inferring with a medical expert based on an “if.” Especially when a woman’s life is involved.
Medical experts are not infallible. Some may support and practice abortion, but there are also doctors that oppose it and testify in favour of pro-life bills. Professional bodies in some countries (ie Ireland) condemn it as well. Having an MD next to your name does not mean you’re above democracy if your arguments are deficient.
And honestly, where does it stop if you start going down that slippery slope? Is the government able to deny a sterilization procedure just because the person might change their mind? Can they stop a plastic surgery procedure? Can they deny someone a liver transplant because they decided another person is a better option?
Not every slope is slippery. Legalization of interracial marriage has not led to legalization of incest. Banning child pornography has not led to mass book burnings. Unless you can show that anti-abortion arguments (taken to their logical conclusion) would directly lead to such consequences, there is no reason to think that they would. Especially when some medical procedures and treatments (female circumcision, thalidomide use during pregnancy) are already illegal.