Pro-aborts “lazy”?
This month’s issue of Marie Claire features an interview with Hillary Clinton. Gotta say the accompanying photo is the best ever I’ve seen of her. On the topic of abortion:
JC [Joanna Coles, editor-in-chief] : Next subject: abortion. Some women feel that your language is becoming much more moderate on the issue. What do you say to reassure them?…
HC [Hillary]: I’ve been saying the same thing for as long as I can remember: I believe abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. I do think women should have a choice but also that women should be making responsible decisions.
I think people who have been pro-choice have basically gotten lazy about it. There will be a concerted effort by the Supreme Court to try to push as far as they possibly can [last spring, the court upheld a ban on so-called partial-birth abortions], and if they go all the way and either repeal or overturn Roe v. Wade, then it will become a political issue again in the legislatures of every state, and people will find themselves having to be politically active.
When you’re part of a group that cares deeply – as the anti-choice people do – you get organized, and you vote on that issue, whereas people who are pro-choice vote on a lot of different issues.
I bet a lot of people among your readers voted for George W. Bush because they concluded that he was more likeable or whatever. But if [abortion rights] is the most important issue to any of your readers, then it has to become a voting issue.
A few points.
1. How often are pro-lifers browbeaten for being one-issue voters? It appears Hillary is at least giving us credit and at most lauding the concept of one-issue voting on the topic of abortion.
2. When acknowledging some pro-aborts voted for Bush because he was likable, Hillary was acknowledging her unlikability saying, “Focus your vote on the abortion issue, not my personality.”
3. And pro-aborts are lazy? Ew.
A pro-abort’s analysis of Clinton’s statement? From The Lizard Queen:
[H]ow on earth was that answer an attempt to “reassure” women who feel Clinton’s “language is becoming much more moderate on the issue” of abortion? It felt more like a kiss-off to me.
Ew again.
[HT: Lizard Queen]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
When acknowledging some pro-aborts voted for Bush because he was likable, Hillary was acknowledging her unlikability saying, “Focus your vote on the abortion issue, not my personality.”
LOL! This is all I hear when Hillary speaks. Blah, blah, blah. And yada, yada, yada!
“safe, legal, and rare”
….same old nonsense. Rush Limbaugh pointed out today the Democrats are never asked about abortion in these debates whereas Republicans always are. (don’t want to put their buddies on the hot seat)
Look-
You guys had TWELVE YEARS of Republican rule in the Congress, EIGHT YEARS of Republican rule in the White House, and THREE YEARS of parity in the Supreme Court and you still couldn’t put a dent in Roe v. Wade. You’ve lost all of your political capital for the time being, and the entire country is about to take a mighty lurch to the left.
You got your “PBA” ban. Your people threw you THAT bone. Now go home and enjoy it…
(While you’re there you might read David Kuo’s “Tempting Faith.” Your own Republican Party laughs at the Religious Right…)
This “woman” is such a phony. I remember back when She and Bill were running for president the first time. During an interview stated that she was pro-abortion and also in favor of children emancipating themselves from their parents.
She then went on to say that they are very involved parents in Chelsey’s life and wouldn’t even let her get her ears pierced.
I guess if she had an abortion without their knowledge that would be fine. They would just be upset if she happened to stop in at Claires on the way home from the abortionist to get her ears pierced.
What a joke!!!
Sandy, that’s right!
Bill’s former mistress of 11 years, Gennifer Flowers, had an abortion after he inseminated her. Hillary is probably still bitter about that one!
Hey,
It could be worse. Tom Cruise could be running for president.
Doesn’t Laura get the fact that we aren’t voting “religious right” we’re voting an issue, and it just so happens that the people with the highest moral standards in this country also happen to follow a faith? Maybe I’ll tell her.
Hey Laura,
We aren’t voting on religious issues. We’re voting pro-life. If a candidate that is pro-life also happens to follow a faith, it’s coincidence (as well as more likely, since the people with the highest moral standards in this country tend to be people of faith!)
And before you get your underwear in knots (if you wear underwear), I didn’t say all people of high moral standards, I said it “tends to be”…so you can spare me the laundry list of religious folks without moral standards. And I won’t be requiring a list of people with no faith base that have high moral standards…
Yes, safe, legal, and rare. The pro choice mantra. What part of this is rare? 1.3 million abortions a year? I hate to break it to them, but it isn’t all that safe either.
Sandy,
Why shouldn’t a child be emancipated if they show to a court their ability to live on their own and circumstances that make them unable to live with their parents?
It seems her interview was trying to prove that although she considers herself a responsible and caring parent along with her husband, she also supports other people in different circumstances.
I don’t really agree with the pro-abortion stance but she and Bill get too much crap when I feel they are basically good leaders.
(before you jump on me you can still make some moral mistakes but still be a strong leader for the country).
Oooh I have a great Chris Rock quote:
“Clinton…got impeached, for what? For what? Lied about a blowjob so his wife wouldn’t find out. ls that against the law? Do you need the Supreme Court for that one? You could have took that one to The People’s Court! Could have took that one to Judge Judy. She’d have knocked it out in a half hour,
plus commercials. What the fuck did Clinton do? They was charging him with shit l didn’t even know was crimes. ”You got her some gifts.” So what he got her gifts? That’s his friend. You can’t buy your friend a gift? ”Tried to get her a job.” You can’t get your friend a job? Shit, 80 % of the people in this room
got their job…because a friend recommended them. lt’s against the law to get your friend a job? Shit, she blew him for a couple of months. The least he could do is give her a recommendation!lt’s the least he could do.
See, people…everybody expects this holy behavior
’cause he’s the President. Expect him to behave this holy way. He’s just the President. He ain’t Rev. Clinton. lt ain’t Pastor Clinton. lt ain’t Maharajah Clinton. lt is just Bill Clinton. He’s just a man.”
Hilary is a fascist. I don’t trust her farther than I can throw her. I’d like to see her swallow a knife. Besides, she’s got an ego bigger than that scumbag Brett Favre or Rex Grossman.
Clinton just needs to die.
Danny,
Come on, tell us how you really feel!
Rosie, LOL! Add I thought I loathed her!
meant and
PIP,
You fail to notice that the rate of underage girls giving oral sex skyrocketed when Clinton said oral sex wasn’t sex. Plus Clinton was a lousy President, he cut the clandestant (undercover) intelligence service so bad when we needed it most,..Sudan offered up Bin Laden and Clinton turned them down saying “there was no law we could take him under”. Mrs Clinton is repsonsible for radical pro-abort, ACLU leader Ruth Bader Ginsbergs nomination to the Supreme Court. Bill Clinton vetoed the PBA ban twice.
Of course pro abortion people are lazy. That’s why they’re pro abortion! It’s much less work to throw her a phone book and say, “Get rid of it” than it is to help her.
“..Sudan offered up Bin Laden and Clinton turned them down saying “there was no law we could take him under””
Not true. An independent party “offered” up Bin Laden but the policy is only to make deals with Governments. The Government never offered the guy to the US. 9/11 Commission agreed. See: http://mediamatters.org/items/200407230005
Clinton spent a lot of time defeating terrorism and terrorist attacks. In fact, Clinton had spent a great deal trying to capture Bin Laden and had gotten closer to him than Bush has.
“You fail to notice that the rate of underage girls giving oral sex skyrocketed when Clinton said oral sex wasn’t sex”
Where is the chart to back this up, please?
The same thing could apply to people who hate George Bush. He’s just a man. Give him a break. He’s trying!
Heather: Bill’s former mistress of 11 years, Gennifer Flowers, had an abortion after he inseminated her.
And then later:
The same thing could apply to people who hate George Bush. He’s just a man. Give him a break. He’s trying!
Think about it.
Doug, I’m not understanding you. Bill Clinton lied to the entire nation “I did not have sex with that woman.” What are you saying? Should I give Bill a break? He continued to womanize after he and Gennifer parted ways. Is Bill entitled to forgiveness? Of course. All he needs to do is ask for it.
PIP,
I wouldn’t trust the George Soros funded media matters for anything. So what, it was not from a government, he was a mass murderer.
“Clinton spent a lot of time defeating terrorism and terrorist attacks”
LOL! yea, by bombing aspirin factories….
“Where is the chart to back this up, please?”
Here you go PIP:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/532034
Jasper,
Can you cut and paste the chart because you have to register to read it…
Hey PIP,
I like Chris Rock, he was raised by his very conservative mother which gives his humor a different twist for me.
Hillary Clinton however is another story. She is a perpetual liar who will lie about anything to get elected. You should read some of the books written about her. If interested, I can get you some titles.
PIP,
”
Dr. Emily Erbelding from Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center in Baltimore told Reuters Health.
She explained that “a few national surveys conducted recently have suggested that oral sex may be a behavior that teenagers are increasingly participating in. For example, in the 2002 National Survey of Family Growth, most teenagers reported having oral sex and many had not had intercourse.”
In examining the 1994 medical records of 2,598, 12- to 25-year olds and the 2004 medical records of 6,438 similarly aged subjects attending STD clinics in Baltimore, Dr. Erbelding and colleagues found that the prevalence of self-reported oral sex doubled among males (from 16% to 32%) and more than doubled among females (from 14% to 38%) over the 10-year period.
“For oral sex,” Dr. Erbelding said, “there may be generally a feeling out there that it is safer”
..no doubt due to Clintons dispicable statement saying oral sex is not sex…
Heather, how do you know he hasn’t asked for forgiveness? Do you know him personally?
Jasper:
“So what, it was not from a government, he was a mass murderer.”
Because the guy was lying…
…also it is worth asking, if Bin Ladin had indeed been captured and caught really early, would his cause have stopped? How do you answer for Bush when he didn’t act on the many warnings that were given to him about the impending terrorist attack? I’d support someone who actually tried to kill Bin Laden and prevent terrorist attacks in the US..
“LOL! yea, by bombing aspirin factories….”
Clinton’s was the “first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort”(Gellman, Washington Post). Clinton’s administration and systems twarted a terrorst plot against the US embassy in Tirana, plots to kill the Pope and 12 US jetliners, attacks on the UN Headquarters and the FBI building, and more.
About the chart,
ditto.
Jasper, I’m sorry to say it, but you are VERY foolish. It’s *not* because of Bill’s comment, I think you give somebody you much malign more influence than he really had/has. A good portion of those who are having oral sex in that data were far too young to know what Bill Clinton had said much less care.
They have oral sex because you don’t get pregnant from that. That is part of the reason why oral sex is more prevalent. It is *not* because of Bill Clinton’s idiocy.
Get a grip.
“How do you answer for Bush when he didn’t act on the many warnings that were given to him about the impending terrorist attack?”
Yea, what were the details of the warnings PIP? besides re-hashed old warnings. The 9/11 commission was a joke, a stupid Bush bashing fest.
…Like I said before, someone who votes for pro-choice canidates is not a real pro-lifer…
In fact, the whole myth of “oral sex not really being sex” was sooooo not started by Clinton. I don’t know where it started, but I know that that particular bit of “wisdom” didn’t start gaining in popularity until I was in high school, 4-5 years AFTER Clinton’s presidency ended.
Do you know what group of youth has the most oral sex? Junior high students. Yup, that’s right, 11-14 year old kids. How old were they when President Clinton was in office? Barely 5-6 years old and I can tell you that I doubt they even know who Monica Lewinski is/was.
Rae,
We had the President of the United States saying that oral sex was not really sex, legitimizing it for many unwed teenagers.
In fact, the whole myth of “oral sex not really being sex” was sooooo not started by Clinton. I don’t know where it started, but I know that that particular bit of “wisdom” didn’t start gaining in popularity until I was in high school, 4-5 years AFTER Clinton’s presidency ended.
Do you know what group of youth has the most oral sex? Junior high students. Yup, that’s right, 11-14 year old kids. How old were they when President Clinton was in office? Barely 5-6 years old and I can tell you that I doubt they even know who Monica Lewinski is/was.
Jasper,
That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. There are usually many things that contribute to statistics, so that view is extremely simplistic. Besides, it doesn’t take into account how the statistics were rising before there were problems about the presidency. Maybe they were already rising beforehand.
Jesus. You guys call uus the “Blame America First” crowd. Can’t I label you the “Blame Clinton First” crowd? At least I don’t blame Bush for how many teens are having sex…
Shoot! I didn’t want to re-post that last one…this is what I wanted to post (stupid browser!).
@Jasper: No. His verbal diarrhea did not do that. You go ahead and give more credence to his words, but you’re just making yourself look like a conservative nut-bar who wears tin-foil hats and thinks the government is “just out to get me.”
Clinton’s comments did jack shiz. There was already a trend by that point of more oral sex (which really didn’t start REALLY increasing until *well* after Clinton’s presidency).
@PiP: Maybe we should start blaming Bush for the RISE in abortions and teen sex in America…afterall, it has been during Bush’s presidency that those “delightful” little social ills have increased.
The increase in oral sex acts among 11-14 year olds also increased during Bush’s tenure.
Hmmmm, maybe we should pull a Jasper and say, “It’s Bush’s fault children these days have no respect for themselves and whore themselves out to gain approval! Why is it Bush’s fault? Because he supports abstinence only education AND he just happened to be President at the time!”
Brilliant.
“Yea, what were the details of the warnings PIP? besides re-hashed old warnings. The 9/11 commission was a joke, a stupid Bush bashing fest.”
The slow implements of Clinton’s anti-terrorism plan..the warnings from the flight school about possible terrorist threats from the students…those very famous papers Bush recieved while on vacation…
I do find it funny how much the conservatives resisted an independent party investigating how the plan came to be, what kind of things went wrong, and how to prevent them next time. When it comes out, people try to discredit them. Talk about dishonesty.
“…Like I said before, someone who votes for pro-choice canidates is not a real pro-lifer…”
I like to think of the “lesser evil.” I don’t expect candidates to agree with me 100%, so I vote for the one who will do best for the country all around, and support organizations that further the prolife movements, like “Feminists for Life” and “Democrats for Life.” Would you vote for someone who really worked for the best intrests of the people, but was pro-choice, or someone who was a horrible leader, and corrupt, yet pro-life? Again, if the pro-life movement is strong enough, politicians will listen.
Your sloppy attempt to discredit my pro-life stance only shows how flimsily you think about politics.
Rae,
GOOD IDEA!
;)
Sandy, would enjoy that very much. I haven’t solidly picked a candidate yet.
You can’t say that for sure Rae, especially when I provided you some evidence. Kids did pick up on what Slick Willie said… I remember talking to other parents in the neihborhood when all that was going on…
now, Hillary has a 0% rating from the NRTL for every year in the senate. If you care about life issues, shes not your canidate.
::headdesk::
::headdesk::
Jasper, you’re incorrigible. Seriously. You don’t even *try* to understand what PiP and are telling you because it is sooooooo much easier just to blame it on Bill Clinton than to accept that it’s the PARENT’S fault for not being more open about sex with their kids. Don’t blame the President for social problems that begin in the HOME.
“Would you vote for someone who really worked for the best intrests of the people, but was pro-choice, or someone who was a horrible leader, and corrupt, yet pro-life?”
a pro-choice canidate is not working in the best interests of the people if he is pro-choice and one who is pro-life is more than likely not to be a horrible leader.
If the election were today PIP, who would you vote for? (if you have the courage to answer)
Besides, don’t blame the President for the poor choices and decisions of adolescents. In general, most teenagers and pre-teens are hideously stupid. Most of them don’t even *care* who the President is now much less care about what the last President said.
You’re wrong. Get over it. It’s not Bill Clinton’s fault. It’s society’s. It’s poor sex education. It’s poor parenting. It’s a lack of discipline. Not an ex-President’s verbal incontinence.
“incorrigible”
I have to look that up…..
“Don’t blame the President for social problems that begin in the HOME.”
–I can agree with that, certainly Clinton didn’t help though..
@Jasper: He didn’t do anything. He only has the power that you give him…and I *know* you don’t want him to have so much influence, so why are you giving it to him by saying that he has the power to do things that he does not have the power to do?
Think about it for once.
Jasper! You are soooooo funny!
You can’t believe that someone who is pro-life can be corrupt….I don’t even know how to answer that. Maybe, can you please grow up and give me a real answer?
Also, first of all, normally by election day (primaries) I have a good idea of which candidate best represents me. Right now I don’t. So far the only dish I really get is on Hillary or Obama…but there are so many other candidates running… If it was between those two, I would pick Obama, because he seems more genuine. Before you badger me with “blah blah blah Obama sucks,” he is not my favorite candidate yet. I plan on finding out which candidate the liberal pro-life sphere endorses.
@Rae: Because young kids are impressionable, especially the ones that don’t have parents who guide them morally.
@PIP: OMG!! Obama! the canidate who would let babies aborted alive be left to die?
@Jasper: Teenagers are not as impressionable as people think they are. They’re just stupid. That is all.
*sigh*
@PIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) portrays himself as a thoughtful Democrat who carefully considers both sides of controversial issues, but his radical stance on abortion puts him further left on that issue than even NARAL Pro-Choice America.
In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.”
“Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies
“Teenagers are not as impressionable as people think they are.”
@Rae, but teenages ARE impressionable… yes, very much so, more so than any other age group.
@Jasper: They have no reason to be impressionable. They are impressionable because they are stupid and insecure. Do you know why they are insecure? Bad parenting. Good parents make sure that their child is secure in who they are so they don’t give a fat flying frak about what their equally idiotic peers think.
@Jasper: That Born Alive Infants act would have done nothing and you know it. It was fluff legislation. It was about as weak and pathetic as the PBA ban.
Do you even know what the Act entailed and the “protections” it brought?
Jasper,
Didn’t I JUST SAY not to freak out because I haven’t fully done the research? Or did you just see the name Obama and start going crazy?
Also jasper, Clinton never enticed me to have oral sex. Sorry.
@PiP: What do you think? Of course he just saw the name “Obama” and went nuts. Do you really expect anything less?
Bill Clinton didn’t entice me to have oral sex either.
In fact, nobody has. Snap. And it amuses me that people (not saying anybody on here, but talking in general) assume I’m a total “whore” because I am a liberal agnostic/diest. Hahahahahaha.
“That Born Alive Infants act would have done nothing and you know it. It was fluff legislation. It was about as weak and pathetic as the PBA ban.”
@RAE:It gave protection to babies born from abortion, it gave them the right to life and care as any other person. It wasn’t fluff legislation or was the PBA ban, it’s called respect for human dignity. Just because evil abortionists will find other ways to kill, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to reduce the numbers of ways they can kill. These are necessary steps to roll back the killing of babies, born and partially born, now the fight it is to protect the unborn.
“Didn’t I JUST SAY not to freak out because I haven’t fully done the research? Or did you just see the name Obama and start going crazy?”
@PIP: Ok, well, theres some information for you.
@Jasper: No, it didn’t. It gave protection to babies/fetuses who are born. Period. Sure, it will “save” those babies who are “live-birth aborted” or whatever, but it also covers miscarried pre-viability fetuses, fetuses what *will not* survive and any care would be futile at best and wasteful at worst.
It offered little to no protection and instead put more burden on the woman and doctor because of the fact it covered pre-viability miscarriages (ie miscarriages at 19 weeks etc). Fetuses that miscarry or are naturally prematurely born (for whatever reason) at times before viability do not survive. They die. And this law would require futile care to attempt to keep those fetuses/babies alive which would not work, the baby would die no matter what.
That is the problem I have with the law. Great that it stops “live-birth abortions” or whatever, but you have to look at the possible negative consequences of said law, and you realize that it is a poorly written, poorly devised law.
But whatever. That is just my opinion on it and I am certainly no law student, so don’t bother trying to correct me because a) I’m not interested and b) I’m not planning on voting for Obama anyway (because I’m sure he won’t get the nom) so you have no need to berate me on how Obama “supports infanticide” or whatever.
Bill Clinton never enticed me into having oral sex either.
Guess what? Kids have oral sex because they want to. And you can’t get pregnant from it. How many kids do you know that would do something just because a middle aged guy thinks its cool? None.
And guess what? Kids who practice only oral sex are 100% less likely to have an abortion.
“No, it didn’t.”
????
“It offered little to no protection and instead put more burden on the woman and doctor because of the fact it covered pre-viability miscarriages (ie miscarriages at 19 weeks etc). Fetuses that miscarry or are naturally prematurely born (for whatever reason) at times before viability do not survive. They die. And this law would require futile care to attempt to keep those fetuses/babies alive which would not work, the baby would die no matter what.”
So what, give them a chance to live. again, dignity of human life, didn’t you pay attention in your CCD classes??
“That is the problem I have with the law. Great that it stops “live-birth abortions” or whatever, but you have to look at the possible negative consequences of said law, and you realize that it is a poorly written, poorly devised law.”
how so, because it helps babies who are born alive (by any means)
“How many kids do you know that would do something just because a middle aged guy thinks its cool?”
many, especially if it’s the President of the US.
“And guess what? Kids who practice only oral sex are 100% less likely to have an abortion.”
but not less likely to get STDs
@Jasper: It’s not helping to waste care on a baby that isn’t going to survive. A 19 week (or sooner) old fetus/baby is *not* going to live. That care and equipment would be better suited on a 21 week viable fetus.
We never learned that in my CCD classes. All I learned in those classes was the Easter Triduum, Advent and the Lord’s Prayer. Complete waste of time.
I see no dignity in futile care. Which is precisely why I have a living will stating that if I’m in a persistent vegetative state for longer than 60 days the plug is to be pulled.
@Jasper: Most kids don’t give a hoot what the President of the US does or says. Hell, you’d be hard-pressed to find an 11-16 year old who knows who Bill Clinton was/is.
Seriously. Get over it. He’s not President anymore.
I don’t know any kids who want to become like Bush.
haha, in fact, most people I know take great pains to become the opposite. I find that the only thing concerning Bush that they want to do is the twins…
@Rae: just because you give care to 19 week old doesn’t mean you have to shut off care for a 21 week old. bad argument. all babies born alive deserve care and should not be left in a waste basket to die. It’s not futile, with better technology babies can live outside of the womb earlier and earlier.
“We never learned that in my CCD classes. All I learned in those classes was the Easter Triduum, Advent and the Lord’s Prayer. Complete waste of time.”
–thats too bad you thought it was a waste of time, hows the agnostic thing going for you?
Honesty, most kids probably never heard him say anything about oral sex because they don’t watch the news, they watch MTV. Kids during the Clinton era were more likely to hang on Carson Daly’s every word than Bill Clinton’s every word.
@Jasper: It’s fine. I don’t really give religion a second thought normally, only when I’m on here. Otherwise I never really think about it. So it’s pretty neutral. :)
@JKeller: I hated Carson Daly. I hated him so much. He’s so darned smug. *vomit*
And NOT FUNNY! Esp on his late night show. His jokes are terrible. How does he get an audience every night? And ones that laugh?
I similarly hated him, he was one of those people who are famous for no reason. He had to introduce music videos for a living, which required no actual talent, and pretend to be insanely interested in things that no man his age would even have been remotely interested in.
Ryan Seacrest is today’s Carson Daly, I really can’t stand Ryan Seacrest.
PIP,
It’s probably a laugh track.
The real humor of Carson Daly is hearing a thirty year old man saying, “OMG, the Backstreet Boys are here today, their new single is soooo hot!”
:-)
“I don’t know any kids who want to become like Bush.”
I do. Yes, President Bush has an articulation problem, but he does have charater and he stands by his principles, I believe history will prove that he was a good president. It’s no accident that we haven’t been attacked since 9/11. and when comes to protecting life, he’s the best, better than Reagan or Bush 1.
@Rae: Will you give Catholicism another try? Maybe you quit it to early…
I think it all depends on the people writing the history books. Some people will still undoubtedly remember that it was under his watch that 9/11 happened.
Yeah, and that whole Iraq thing…
….and the whole crappy economy thing….
@JKeller: Lol, yeah, that is kind of depressing (for him).
Out of the “Late, Late” night shows, I like Craig Ferguson, mostly because he’s got a Scottish accent…tee-hee.
@Jasper: I have no intention of ever being Catholic again. It’s just not going to happen.
However, earlier this summer I was looking into Reformed Judaism…of course I’d actually have to believe in God in order to convert, which at this time, is not the case.
It’s all about Conan. He’s sooo much taller in person!
OMG I’m getting VERY excited about our movie! EEE
@PiP: You made a movie with Conan?
haha sorry.
Two separate thoughts. I’m editing it now though.
JKeller,
And guess what? Kids who practice only oral sex are 100% less likely to have an abortion.
Maybe we should skip “abstinence only” and go straight to “oral sex” only…
I wonder how they feel knowing that they can still get STD’s from oral sex.
And you imply that kids practicing oral sex are practicing it to the exclusivity of intercourse. I’d be willing to bet they’re doing both.
Jasper,
You were awesome last night. I’d say Rae, JKeller and PIP were really letting you have it, and you stayed on the high road! I’m so proud! Have a squeaky toy!
Good Morning MK,
Yes, I’m behaving better. How bout a pigs ear next time, japser loves those!
Okay,
Pigs ears it is! But don’t eat them all at once. I don’t want you waking me up in the middle of the night to go out!
@Jasper: I too have to say you did a nice job last night, and I apologize if I was overly rude/witchy.
Good Morning Rae,
It’s OK, we still love ya…..
So oral sex isn’t sex? That sure will get a lot of philandering husbands off the hook. I remember when Bill and Hillary went on a week long “vacation” after the scandal broke. You know, around the same time Bill starting toting a bible. It was quite telling that their daughter had to walk between them. I’m sure a “vacation” with the devil in hell would have been more appealling to Bill, and considerably more enjoyable.
Hillary tolerates years of public and private pain and humiliation by her husband’s extramarital escapades. She remains married to a man accused of everything from exposing himself to rape. She gets elected to the senate and now runs for president thanks to his name and his help. Would she be where she is today if she hadn’t put up with his antics, and her last name was Schultz and not Clinton?
She is a feminist heroine. Don’t you think feminists would consider her an embarassment?
She is a feminist heroine. Don’t you think feminists would consider her an embarassment?
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Beacause she practices forgiveness and honors her marriage vows? It’s a Christian thing. Apparently you don’t know much about it…
Eep! Sorry for the double post! My computer went crazeh. :-]
Laura,
Puh-leeze. If you want to believe she was so forgiving, so be it. She was looking out for her political ambitions and future.
Forgiving is one thing, tolerating a serial adulterer and sex offender is another. Believe me Laura, no Republican or conservative woman would be praised by feminists for putting up with this. Would you tolerate this ongoing behavior in your husband or boyfriend? I would certainly hope not, and I think few women would.
Ok,I’m trying to remember how old I was during the whole bj thing.
I think I was like 8 or 9 maybe? (What year was it?)
Anyways, the point is, I DO vividly remember the whole ” I did not have sex with that woman” and the blue stained dress, and the oral sex and everything. I didn’t really *understand* everything at that time, but I definitely heard it and got the general idea.
Of course, as I got older I was able to really understand what everything meant. I can say without question that I thought that “oral sex isn’t sex” throughout highschool.
I can’t say where that idea originated, only that it definitely existed.
Laura, Oh so willing to forgive Hillary, but everyone on the pro life side is a nut. PS Who would even WANT to perform oral sex on Clinton? Gross me out!
Another Chris Rock joke: “I go to PC rallies to pick up women.” I like the guy, but there are some other comedians who I find much funnier. Conan rocks!!
Um..Hilary didn’t do anything wrong. Bill cheated on her. She decided to give him another chance. Happens in a lot of relationships. Also, the ONLY thing that Bill has ever been found guilty of is getting a voluntary BJ from an intern. His only ACTUAL crime? Lying about it. And the guy is married. I kind of get why he lied about it. He has never been tried or convicted for any other kind of sexual offense.
I don’t like a lot of Hilary’s policy- mainly her economic positions- but I would rather see her in the office than a Republican.
How about Robin Williams? Definitely one of the funniest people ever. Or Patton Oswalt?
Erin, I realize that men and women do cheat in marriages. Bill did it repeatedly. To me this makes Hillary look foolish! Just my opinion. What about poor Monica? Clinton is a butt head.BTW, I luuurve Robin Williams! Mrs. Doubtfire. HAHAHAHA!!!
I liked “what about bob” – Bill Murray … and “meet the parents” 9 (forget his name)
Robert DeNiro. [sp?]
Erin,
I don’t know how many times people have gotten into the Hillary “should I stay or should I go?” argument. No one can ever see eye to eye.
The thing is, all the people who are anti-Hillary were going to see any action she chose as wrong. She decided to stay with him, she is a fool and/or out for political gain. She decides to leave him, she’s a coward who doesn’t believe in traditional marriage.
Poor Monica? I honestly doubt that he forced her to give him a bj. It was a voluntary sexual act. The only time that we know of that Bill obviously cheated on Hillary was with Monica. Other allegations have never been followed up or exposed and either way should be a family matter. Not our business. Politics and policy are what we should be focused on- not personal issues of politicians. If we focused on family issues, I bet I could find a royal ton on Bush that makes Bill look like a family man.
yes, Deniro was in it, he was the girls Dad. oh, Ben Stiller, thats his name…
“The only time that we know of that Bill obviously cheated on Hillary was with Monica”
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Erin, George Bush isn’t perfect either. Hillary stayed with Bill after he had an 11 year affair with Gennifer Flowers. He got her pregnant, and she had an abortion. I would have kept my baby, and made that sucker pay me! Poor Monica? Yes. She was young and impressionable. She wanted to be with the guy because he was the prez. Where is she now? Her life was shattered over butt head. What a pretty girl. Why would she even “do him?”
Clinton also wanted to “get busy” with Paula Jones and Eleanore Mondale.
There were three women who claimed to have had an affair with Clinton. All around the time that the big scandal with Monica was coming out. Hmm…seems like a good oportunity for some publicity for me. None of these affairs were confirmed. They are merely claimed by the women to have happened.
Btw, Heather, she claims to have HAD the child, and given it up for adoption.
Who? Gennifer Flowers? I don’t think so! I have heard her say that she had the abortion in TV interviews.
Erin,
do you have a source for that? heres ours:
http://dartreview.com/archives/1998/02/04/an_interview_with_gennifer_flowers_on_first_indiscretions.php
Bill had a long history as a serial adulterer. He was also accused of everything from exposing himself(flashing) to rape by several different women. If Hillary wanted to tolerate this behavior from her husband, that’s fine with me, though I have a problem with the deafening silence on the charges of sexual assault and the blind eye the feminists turned to this.
jasper, Thank you so much!!!!
jasper- good old Wiki. I googled it and I find multiple pages saying both ways.
Mary- in our justice system, people are innocent until proven guilty. He’s isn’t guilty of anything.
OK, Anthro, NOW. You guys have to stop being so interesting. I’m going to be late for class.
I had also heard about Hillary’s escapades with women. Something that Laura was quick to laugh off.
Heather: I would have kept my baby, and made that sucker pay me!
I thought babies were supposed to be precious gifts from God, not useful tools for blackmail.
People experiment. So what? What does that have to do anything?
@Rae, 10:28p, said, about IL’s Born Alive Infants Protection Act: “Sure, it will ‘save’ those babies who are ‘live-birth aborted’ or whatever, but it also covers miscarried pre-viability fetuses, fetuses what *will not* survive and any care would be futile at best and wasteful at worst. It offered little to no protection and instead put more burden on the woman and doctor because of the fact it covered pre-viability miscarriages (ie miscarriages at 19 weeks etc).”
Rae, of course your cut-and-paste from NARAL is wrong. BAIPA only says unwanted aborted alive babies should get the same care as wanted babies. If a wanted previable baby wouldn’t get care, neither would an unwanted previable baby.
@Rae then said, “so don’t bother trying to correct me because a) I’m not interested…”
Ok, never mind.
Jim Gaffigan is also really good. And Eddie Izzard. Stephen Colbert…
“Why would she even “do him?””
Probably because he’s powerful and more attractive than his predecessors…
“in our justice system, people are innocent until proven guilty.”
In our society, in reality, it’s more like people are guilty until proven innocent.
“I had also heard about Hillary’s escapades with women”
Which is better…having a sexual experience with another woman…or being arrested on cocaine charges..
I would have kept my baby and loved it. I wouldn’t allow Bill to con me into killing it. And yes. Child support would have been in order. That’s a shame, because that kid could have had a wonderful life.
Erin,
What I’m saying is the man was accused by several women of sexual assault. This would be a red flag for me no matter who the man was. I would also think it would be, at very least, a concern to feminists. Clarence Thomas was only accused of some lousy pick up lines and the media and feminists were on him like a pack of hyenas. He was never proven guilty of anything either but that was beside the point.
If you want to believe Bill innocent of his long history of affairs, and overlook the fact that Bill and Hillary had people to take care of any “bimbo eruption” by intimidating and discrediting the women who did come forward, as well as consider all the women accusing him of sexual assault as liars, that’s fine with me. If you have no problem with feminists turning a blind eye to these women being referred to as “bimbos” and intimidated and discredited by Bill and Hillary’s lackeys, so be it.
PIP, I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ll just leave it at that. Hillary with women? Totally immoral. They are 2 degenerates who were clearly made for each other.
Mary, good morning! Sorry about these double posts. My computer is running slow.
Heather: I would have kept my baby, and made that sucker pay me!
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Well, now wo know Heather’s true opposition to abortion. Cha-CHING!
Good morning to you Heather and everyone else.
If you think they’re so made for each other, why do you constantly oppose them being together?
Laura, I said I would have loved MY baby!
JKellar, I don’t care. I’m tired of people always raggin on Bush, so I’m raggin on Hillary.
Laura, There are lots of reasons I oppose abortion. The first being that it’s murder.
Bush is flushing this country down the toilet, that’s why people always rag on him. Hillary’s not the president (right now) she’s just a Senator, and Bush wrangled control from the Senate a long time ago with his misinformation about Saddam.
50 Reasons to Believe
Gennifer Flowers
Is a Liar
1. You said you went to New York to a kill a story in The Star about your alleged “12 year affair” with the President yet you gave up on that because you knew that you would not be able to go back to your State job and that you would not be able to go home again and feel “safe.”
2. You swore you did not know you were going to be paid for this story but then took the $150,000 for it the Star offered you and did not kill the story as you had originally planned.
3. You said you made a deal with Ron Fuller, a Republican office holder, who told you he had some “friends” who would give you $50 thousand and a job in California in exchange for some inside gossip about the President. You had a press conference in New York and repeated that you were approached by the “Republican Party” to confirm your affair with President Clinton.
4. You then decided not to go public with the story — although you say it was not because you could get more money for it AFTER he was elected president than before.
5. You say you “could possibly” still have your contract with The Star in your possession. Possibly?
6. You testified you had tapes of your private conversations with Bill Clinton sent to The Star in New York from “a friend” in Little Rock.
7. In response to lawyer’s questions you told them that when you held a press conference after Bill and Hillary Clinton appeared on 60 Minutes together — at the Star’s request — you might possibly lie to the reporters when they asked you questions.
8. You appeared on A Current Affair regarding your alleged relationship with Bill Clinton because, you say in your book “they offered me the most money.” But in this deposition you said it was that and that they offered you “the circumstances” you desired. A Current Affair paid you $25,000.00.
9. Hard Copy was bidding for you too, according to your testimony, but you don’t recall how much they offered and you don’t know if you have a copy of the contract with A Current Affair.
10. You appeared on the Bertice Berry Show in Chicago. You don’t remember how much you were paid.
11. You appeared on Leeza. You don’t remember how much you were paid by Leeza either.
12. You appeared on Rolanda. You don’t remember how much you were paid by Rolanda either.
13. You appeared on The Howard Stern Show to market your book and you tapes. You claim you were not paid.
14. You appeared on the De Tu A Tu show in Spain after your spread in Penthouse was published. You say you got $15,000 — IN CASH — for the De Tu show — that plus expenses for you and a friend. You don’t remember if you have the tape they gave you of that show.
15. You appeared on the Thomas Gotschick show in Germany. You think you got $5,000 to $7,500 for that appearance plus expenses.
16. You don’t recall what other television shows you appeared on.
17. You say Playboy and Penthouse got into a bidding war to feature your story and you — unclothed — in those magazines.
18.You say Playboy offered you $650,000 and Penthouse offered you $750,000 and that both offered an additional 50 cents a copy for sales over their normal circulation.
19. You say that things went awry and that you finally settled on Penthouse and only received $250,000.
20. You say that you took no action against Penthouse for inaccuracies in their story about you.
21. You say you recorded ONLY four conversations between you and Bill Clinton. You say you used a “little” tape recorder and a device you bought from Radio Shack to tape these calls from your telephone.
22. You actually admitted you would turn on the recorder every time the phone rang and if it was Clinton you would let the machine go on and tape, if not — you imply — you would shut it off.
23. You claim you bought the tape machine and device to record business deals you made orally for your work as a “singer.”
24. You say you don’t remember whether you ever initiated a call to Clinton for the purpose of taping it and that you would have to look at your “tape transcripts” to check.
25. You said in your book “Passion and Betrayal” that “a group of Republicans” offered you $900,000.00 for these tapes, yet in the deposition you claim that you don’t remember ” the circumstances about the nine hundred thousand dollars.”
Flowers dreaming about that 900 thou.
26. You say you don’t remember who the representative was of this “group of Republicans.”
27. You say you were “not interested” in the offer.
28. Yet you then began to market the tapes yourself.
29. You say you got a lot of interest in doing interviews with you before the Penthouse spread came out, yet you could not name one — not even one — in the deposition.
30. You say you put another book together, Setting the Record Straight, as part of “the packaging for the tapes” that you marketed.
31. You say one Ed Menken assisted you to market the tapes by putting together $50,000 from “investors” and yet you don’t remember the investors’ names — only that one of them was called Charles.
32. You say you made no profit on the sale of the tapes and you believe the sales just covered expenses and did not cover the $50,000.00.
33. You admit you were called by The Clinton Chronicles.
34. You admit you tried to set up a pay-to-hear “900” number service so people could call and listen to the tapes you recorded of your intimate and private conversations with the President.
35. You appeared on Comedy Central dressed as Marilyn Monroe singing “Happy Birthday Mr. President” to “President Clinton.” You “don’t recall” how much you were paid for that.
36. You were paid by the magazine He Said, She Said for assisting them in preparing an article about you and President Clinton. You also don’t recall how much money you received for that.
37. You claim you authored two books on this alleged affair with the President — Passion and Betrayal and Sleeping with the President — yet you said, the same afternoon, under oath that you wrote a third book, Setting the Record Straight.
38. You testified that Emery Dalton gave you $50,000 in advance for one of these books. You say it took you approximately “a couple of weeks to write it.”
39. You say you don’t remember if anyone else offered you any money for the book.
40. You say Sleeping With the President was never published because you had a dispute over the amount of participation — book signings, etc. — that you would have to agree to.
41. You claim you wrote this book with a man named “Gene” – but you don’t remember his last name, and don’t know where he is located.
42. You claim you were to get $1.00 to $1.50 per book sold but now you are not negotiating for it to be published.
43. You claim you did not report a mink coat stolen and then have it altered at a fur salon in Little Rock — failing to inform your insurance company of the fact you found it — and you don’t remember the name of your insurance agent.
44. You claim you never staged a suicide attempt as reported in Penthouse.
45. You claim you do not know who the older Republican man is, that Penthouse refers to in its article about you, whom you felt might offer you a deal to “rat-out” President Clinton.
46. You never told us what you did with that white tennis shoe, if anything.
47. You told people that you were Miss Teenage America — but you never were Miss Teenage America. You also don’t remember who you told that lie.
48. You told people you were a regular on the Hee Haw show — and you never were. Another lie.
49. You don’t remember telling people you signed a movie contract with Roy Clark.
50. You said you attended the University of Arkansas but you don’t know how many credit hours you earned there.
Flowers, pointing to her “profit center.”
In short, Ms. Flowers, we think that even if you produced The Blessed Virgin herself to testify to your veracity — not a soul would believe a word you said, about anything, anytime, anyhow.
One thing we do agree on — if we were you, we’d blow our collective heads off.
– The Editors
Gennifer Flowers is not a liar.
Bill Clinton is a liar “I did not have sex with that woman.”
Everyone lies, no one is perfect.
He lied to the entire nation. Please apply the same to the Gennifer Flowers post then.
She lied to the media, broadcasting it to the entire nation.
Similarly, Bush lied to the entire nation, but you still refuse to see any of his faults.
Nobody’s perfect……………so give Bush a break.
give Clinton a break then, the door swings both ways
For now I’m gonna give myself a break. I’m goin to get my hair done. See Y’all later.
Heather,
If Hillary is immoral so is Bush, who was arrested on cocaine charges (among other things).
“Bush wrangled control from the Senate a long time ago with his misinformation about Saddam. ”
Not. the mis-information was from the CIA, plus he still had the capabilities to create WMD, defied 18 UN resolutions, there are also reports that WMD got transported into Syria before the war. Bush didn’t lie about anything, you’re just listening to the leftist commies who control the MSM.
“Which is better…having a sexual experience with another woman…or being arrested on cocaine charges..”
site please, do you have a copy of the police record?
His police record is clean (with respect to cocaine), but when he is accused by someone who was allegedly close to his family, the remarks he makes is especially incriminating.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1999/08/23/bush.html
Furthermore, he ADMITS to drinking and driving. THAT part of his record is unmistakably clear. Moral issues?
http://www.progress.org/drc12.htm
Here is the other one.
LOL! This is all I hear when Hillary speaks. Blah, blah, blah. And yada, yada, yada!
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Heather, you have NO room to talk. You’re doing good to even manage three yada’s in a row without frothing.
Heather, there are over 100,000,000 women in the US and the last stats I read said there were fewer than 1,000,000 abortions. Yes, 1% is ‘rare’. And statistically speaking abortion is about 12 times SAFER than gestation and birth. That’s according to the CDC.
Yes Heather,
You have no room to talk. Take a lesson from our friend TexasRed who is eloquent, and respectful, and informative…and full of…
Wonderful ideas. And her presentation is always manure. (oops I mean mature).
Try to be more like her, would ya? Imagine how amazing this site would be if everyone acted like her, Sally and Laura! Why the information would be flowing, and people would be learning and everyone would have a fair and balanced exchange of ideas…
Someone lift the toilet seat…I think I’m going to vomit!
PIP: regarding Bush: “His police record is clean (with respect to cocaine)”
thanks clearing that up PIP.
TexasRed”And statistically speaking abortion is about 12 times SAFER than gestation and birth. That’s according to the CDC.”
safe for who? not for the unborn baby.
Texas,
We just went over this…the stats on the safety of abortion are not comparable to giving birth. All abortions would have to be performed at 9 months, or most births would have to take place at 11 weeks or less in order for them to be equal…
Of course there will be more complications in a full term pregnancy as there are 7 more months in which things could go wrong…
I’m gonna have to start using the buzzer again…where’s my mullet!?!
Of course pro abortion people are lazy. That’s why they’re pro abortion! It’s much less work to throw her a phone book and say, “Get rid of it” than it is to help her.
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This is one more example of the incredibly stupid comments antichoicers come up with which make them look poorly educated, simple minded and just flat out stupid.
Jasper,
Just pointing out that if you want to call Hillary morally bankrupt for allegedly having a sexual experience with a woman, you should do the same for Bush.
*sound of buzzer*
This is one more example of the incredibly stupid comments antichoicers come up with which make them look poorly educated, simple minded and just flat out stupid
Point lost for inability to make point without name calling….
try again…
Bush is immoral for having sex with a woman? What did I miss?
Pssst…
This is one more example of the incredibly stupid comments antichoicers come up with which make them look poorly educated, simple minded and just flat out stupid.
Comments like this don’t exactly make you look like a rocket scientist yourself…intelligent people don’t resort to name calling and insults to get their ideas across…but I believe poorly educated, simple minded and flat out stupid people do…just sayin…
Someone lift the toilet seat…I think I’m going to vomit!
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Your own words make you sick – no surprise
MK,
PIP was citing a disgrunteled Bush relative that said he did cocaine.
“Just pointing out that if you want to call Hillary morally bankrupt for allegedly having a sexual experience with a woman”
I don’t care who Hillary had sex with PIP, I’m not voting for her or any of the pro-abort Democrats. My vote is going to either Mitt, Sam Brownback, Huckabee or Duncan hunter, you know, real men….
TexasRed”And statistically speaking abortion is about 12 times SAFER than gestation and birth. That’s according to the CDC.”
safe for who? not for the unborn baby.
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Unborn baby is an oxymoron. But Im not surprised that you totally disregard the woman who is pregnant.
Texas,
We just went over this…the stats on the safety of abortion are not comparable to giving birth. All abortions would have to be performed at 9 months, or most births would have to take place at 11 weeks or less in order for them to be equal…
Of course there will be more complications in a full term pregnancy as there are 7 more months in which things could go wrong…
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Of course they are comparable. If a woman is pregnant then either the pregnancy continues or it ends. There are no other options. For antichoicers to whine about how ‘dangerous’ abortion is while totally disregarding the dangers of the other option is dishonest and shows a total lack of integrity. Trying to pretend women ‘shouldnt’ abort because its ‘dangerous’ is one more absurd argument from the antichoice side.
Point lost for inability to make point without name calling….
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Why dont you hold your breath until I care what you say or think?
“Unborn baby is an oxymoron”
TexasRed,
do you always use medical terms? when somebody has a heart attack, do you call it a “myocardial infarction” ?
“But Im not surprised that you totally disregard the woman who is pregnant.”
Pregnancy is not safe for women? should we abort everbody?
Comments like this don’t exactly make you look like a rocket scientist yourself…intelligent people don’t resort to name calling and insults to get their ideas across…but I believe poorly educated, simple minded and flat out stupid people do…just sayin…
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Youre just saying you dont have the integrity or guts to criticize insults and name calling from the antichoice side. Yes, I recognized that was what you were ‘just saying’.
“I don’t care who Hillary had sex with PIP, I’m not voting for her or any of the pro-abort Democrats”
Well, that comment wasn’t really directed at you…
TexasRed,
are you a woman or a man?
Pregnancy is not safe for women? should we abort everbody?
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You have a serious problem with reading comprehension, dont you? Youre proving you either cannot follow the discussion, or cannot deal with the discussion. Neither option is all that flattering. The comments only focus was on the fetus – there was a total disregard for the welfare of the woman who was pregnant. Thats a typical antichoice attitude. As a rule, both abortion and gestation are safe. BUT abortion is still safer than gestation. Antichoicers whining that women shouldnt have abortions because they are ‘dangerous’ totally ignores the fact that the alternative is MORE dangerous – which is typical antichoice dishonesty.
Also, why did you feel you had to call on MK?
PIP,
Because MK asked :
“Bush is immoral for having sex with a woman? What did I miss?”
Rae, of course your cut-and-paste from NARAL is wrong. BAIPA only says unwanted aborted alive babies should get the same care as wanted babies. If a wanted previable baby wouldn’t get care, neither would an unwanted previable baby.
*************************************************I believe youre wrong on that. From what I’ve read, the law makes it a requirement to do everything possible to prolong life even in the case of profound congenital defect when there is no hope of anything remotely close ‘a life’. As for NARAL being wrong – I personally put more faith in their statements than i do from an antichoice propaganda site.
Per TR:
“Heather, there are over 100,000,000 women in the US and the last stats I read said there were fewer than 1,000,000 abortions. Yes, 1% is ‘rare’. And statistically speaking abortion is about 12 times SAFER than gestation and birth. That’s according to the CDC.”
The last statistics I read said that about 40% of all women will wind up having an abortion.
That is NOT rare.
TexasRed,
are you a woman or a man?
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What difference do you imagine it makes?
Texas red,
what does mommy say when the baby kicks “oh, the fetus just kicked” or “oh, the baby just kicked”.
what do you call a heart attack Texas?
Ah, I didn’t see that. Sorry.
Heather: Laura, Oh so willing to forgive Hillary, but everyone on the pro life side is a nut. PS Who would even WANT to perform oral sex on Clinton? Gross me out!
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Heather is somebody’s Mom?
Laura,
what kind of creature are you?
Texas red,
what does mommy say when the baby kicks “oh, the fetus just kicked” or “oh, the baby just kicked”.
what do you call a heart attack Texas?
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If you really worked at it do you think you could make some sense here? Before birth you can call the fetus a twinkie if you want to, but its still a fetus. Ever heard something called a ‘definition’? or is the concept too complicated for you?
Texas,
now I asked 2 very simple questions above, why can’t you answer them? They are not trick questions…give it a shot…
TexasRed,
Jasper wants to know whether you are a man or a woman, because if you are a man he will commence insulting your manhood and challenging you to pissing contests.
And from watching so much ER, I’ve started calling heart attacks, MI’s. I know that question wasn’t aimed at me but I’ll throw my two cents in.
The last statistics I read said that about 40% of all women will wind up having an abortion.
That is NOT rare.
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Most women who have an abortion only have one in a life time. The last stats I read said that less than 15% of women having an abortion have had 2 or more previous abortions. Something that happens only one time in your life is ‘rare’. In fact if something happens 5 times over a 40 year period you could reasonably call THAT rare.
TexasRed,
Jasper wants to know whether you are a man or a woman, because if you are a man he will commence insulting your manhood and challenging you to pissing contests.
And from watching so much ER, I’ve started calling heart attacks, MI’s. I know that question wasn’t aimed at me but I’ll throw my two cents in.
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ROFL! I’m a 56 year old woman.
I figured you were a woman, TexasRed
geez, you can stump a pro-abort with the simplest of questions
Texas,
now I asked 2 very simple questions above, why can’t you answer them? They are not trick questions…give it a shot…
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Before birth its a fetus. Why does that confuse you? You can call it a twinkie if you want to but its a fetus, or an embryo if its early enough in pregnancy. Heart attack is a simplistic laymans term. If I said someone had a MI the people I know would understand what I meant. Maybe the people you are around wouldnt.
geez, you can stump a pro-abort with the simplest of questions
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Apparently youre delusional or not very bright. Which one is it? By the way, using the term ‘pro abort’ is deliberately insulting and suggests someone is really too poorly educated and stupid to know what the real issues are. I’m not surprised its a term dear to your heart.
I figured you were a woman, TexasRed
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This is a peripheral issue to most pro choice men. They can feel strongly about it, but its a whole different matter to a woman. The antichoice misogynistic control freak males are another matter. They can get real out of shape when a little woman steps out of line ;)
Ok, one last time. Now Texas, I’ve made this as simple as possible, ( I know you can do it!)
(Texas: Note: these are multiple choice: )
what does MOMMY say when the baby kicks
1.) “oh, the fetus just kicked”
2.) “oh, the baby just kicked”.
what do YOU call a heart attack Texas?
1.) heart attack
2.) myocardial infarction
JK,
You can try the quiz up above too, but if you think it’s too difficult, I understand.
TexasRed:This is a peripheral issue to most pro choice men. They can feel strongly about it, but its a whole different matter to a woman. The antichoice misogynistic control freak males are another matter. They can get real out of shape when a little woman steps out of line ;)
I think it comes down to how they were conditioned. They’re conditioned to think that a woman’s role is to be an all purpose oven: cook his meals, incubate his offspring. When a woman decides she doesn’t want to live to please a man, these men cannot understand it because they are conditioned to believe that 1) all women love to cook, clean, and care for children, and 2) women aren’t capable or skilled enough to do anything else.
Jasper,
What is with you asking a question 9,000 times even after someone has already answered it? You should really go to a neurologist, or “brain doctor”, to get this tick checked out.
JK, I’m looking for a “1” or a “2” for each question, I made it as simple as possible. You and Texas just have to follow the instructions.
Hmmmmm…..to placate ole’ Jasper (for the next 5 minutes until he asks me again)
There are people I know who have said “1” and people I know who’ve said “2”
I should save this somewhere so I can copy and paste the next time Jasper asks me.
“There are people I know who have said “1””
really? who?
No one you know, obviously. But nevertheless…..
“No one you know, obviously. But nevertheless…”
you don’t have to give me their names, who ?
friend, sister, aunt ?
What about “pro-choice” men who threaten and intimidate women into abortion so as to get themselves off the hook? Believe me ladies, it does happen, even in this day and age. What about “pro-choice” men, and I use the term men loosely here, who “date” underage girls and then run them to the abortion clinic to cover their tracks? I mean, you can’t blame a guy for not wanting to go to the slammer.
You were saying something about pro-life men being controllers?
friends, acquaintances
what does MOMMY say when the baby kicks
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She probably says ‘The baby is kicking’ but what does that have to do with this discussion? If she is a mommy then there IS a baby, not a fetus. On the other hand, if she is referring to FETAL movement then, as I pointed out twice before, its a fetus. She can call it a twinkie if she wants but its still a fetus. You really do have a problem with simple concepts, dont you, jasper?
I think it comes down to how they were conditioned. They’re conditioned to think that a woman’s role is to be an all purpose oven: cook his meals, incubate his offspring. When a woman decides she doesn’t want to live to please a man, these men cannot understand it because they are conditioned to believe that 1) all women love to cook, clean, and care for children, and 2) women aren’t capable or skilled enough to do anything else.
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Well put! but dont forget #3 – if the woman DOESNT want to cook clean and care for kids and she IS able to do something else then she MUST be a lesbian and / or a feminazi – ! ;)
JK, I’m looking for a “1” or a “2” for each question, I made it as simple as possible. You and Texas just have to follow the instructions.
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I answered your questions twice already. You really do have a reading comprehension problem dont you?
Ahhh, yes, TexasRed, I forgot that one! ;-)
What about “pro-choice” men who threaten and intimidate women into abortion so as to get themselves off the hook? Believe me ladies, it does happen, even in this day and age. What about “pro-choice” men, and I use the term men loosely here, who “date” underage girls and then run them to the abortion clinic to cover their tracks? I mean, you can’t blame a guy for not wanting to go to the slammer.
You were saying something about pro-life men being controllers?
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What about them? what do you fantasize your scenario has to do with this discussion? If a man is ‘pro choice’ he believes women have a right to make up their own mind. If a man is trying to pressure a woman into continuing a pregnancy OR pressure her into having an abortion, regardless of what is best for her and without considering what she wants and thinks and believes then he’s antichoice. And yes, trying to pretend he should decide ‘abortion is wrong for everyone and I dont care what the pregnant woman has to say about it’ is something a self centered egocentric control freak would come up with, male or female.
YES Texas!!! way to go. thanks.
“If she is a mommy then there IS a baby, not a fetus. On the other hand, if she is referring to FETAL movement then, as I pointed out twice before, its a fetus ”
So the name (baby or fetus) depends on whether or not it is wanted? wait a minute, didn’t you just say an unborn baby was an oxymoron??? I’m confused now…
Sorry TR,
If he’s pressuring her to have an abortion, then obviously he has no problem with abortion. He is strongly pro-choice for other women, except his own little woman who he doesn’t want pregnant. I don’t mean he has to physically threaten her, it can be subtle. He may be a controller in every other aspect and the woman has just come to accept it. I am saying that men who support abortion can be every bit the controllers you claim pro-life men are.
You didn’t address my point about the “pro-choice” sexual predator who’s real anxious to get his underage “girlfriend(s)” on the abortion table.
Well, Mary, he’s not really pro-choice if he wants to make his underage girlfriends abort. Making someone abort is not giving them a choice, it is being anti-choice.
YES Texas!!! way to go. thanks.
“If she is a mommy then there IS a baby, not a fetus. On the other hand, if she is referring to FETAL movement then, as I pointed out twice before, its a fetus ”
So the name (baby or fetus) depends on whether or not it is wanted? wait a minute, didn’t you just say an unborn baby was an oxymoron??? I’m confused now…
Posted by: jasper at August 21, 2007 3:35 PM
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Jasper, if shes a mommy and its a baby then she’s given birth. If she hasnt given birth then its a fetus. You are so VERY simple minded.
Sorry TR,
If he’s pressuring her to have an abortion, then obviously he has no problem with abortion. He is strongly pro-choice for other women, except his own little woman who he doesn’t want pregnant. I don’t mean he has to physically threaten her, it can be subtle. He may be a controller in every other aspect and the woman has just come to accept it. I am saying that men who support abortion can be every bit the controllers you claim pro-life men are.
You didn’t address my point about the “pro-choice” sexual predator who’s real anxious to get his underage “girlfriend(s)” on the abortion table.
Posted by: Mary at August 21, 2007 3:43 PM
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If he’s trying to pressure the woman to abort OR gestate then he isnt PRO CHOICE.
JKeller,
He’s not making her abort, he just gently reminds her that if her parents find out he could go to the slammer, and if she really loves him, well… Not to mention that she’s scared to death and doing the very human thing, looking for an easy out. Sure, abortion will look darn good to her. Small wonder such sexual predators are “pro-choice”. Pro-choice men manipulators and controllers? Naww.
If he would hurt her or dump her for not aborting, then he is not pro-choice. If he is just putting his two cents in, if she can go against his opinion and things will be okay between them, then that’s just his opinion and she can do whatever she wants, but he is still a scumbag for messing around with underage girls.
I agree he’s a scumbag, and that’s a generous assessment. In the example I give he’s gently manipulating and controlling her, threats and intimidation certainly won’t get him anywhere, and he’s undoubtedly had plenty of experience when it comes to handling these young girls, though of course the choice is all hers. A pro-choice male manipulator and controller, right?
If he doesn’t readily object if she chooses to carry out her pregnancy I don’t see how he could be a controller or a manipulator. If he lets the girl make her own decisions, thats not very controlling.
Controlling his a husband who refuses to wear a condom or allow his wife to use birth control if she wants. Controlling is a boyfriend beating up his girlfriend because she won’t have an abortion. Controlling is a husband telling his wife he’d divorce her if she had an abortion. Controlling is a man who takes a woman kicking and screaming against her will into an abortion clinic.
Jkeller, have you never been controlled by manipulation?
Controlling is a boyfriend beating up his girlfriend because she won’t have an abortion.
No, not only is that controlling, that’s abuse.
Controlling is a husband telling his wife he’d divorce her if she had an abortion.
You just said that in the scenario that Mary described, the woman still has a choice. Well, in the scenario you just described, the woman still has a choice. Divorce her husband, and have the abortion. How is this controlling, and the other situation is not?
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html
The Process of Victimization
For a long time, I wondered why manipulation victims have a hard time seeing what really goes on in manipulative interactions. At first, I was tempted to fault them. But I’ve learned that they get hoodwinked for some very good reasons:
1. A manipulator’s aggression is not obvious. Our gut may tell us that they’re fighting for something, struggling to overcome us, gain power, or have their way, and we find ourselves unconsciously on the defensive. But because we can’t point to clear, objective evidence they’re aggressing against us, we can’t readily validate our feelings.
2. The tactics manipulators use can make it seem like they’re hurting, caring, defending, …, almost anything but fighting. These tactics are hard to recognize as merely clever ploys. They always make just enough sense to make a person doubt their gut hunch that they’re being taken advantage of or abused. Besides, the tactics not only make it hard for you to consciously and objectively tell that a manipulator is fighting, but they also simultaneously keep you or consciously on the defensive. These features make them highly effective psychological weapons to which anyone can be vulnerable. It’s hard to think clearly when someone has you emotionally on the run.
3. All of us have weaknesses and insecurities that a clever manipulator might exploit. Sometimes, we’re aware of these weaknesses and how someone might use them to take advantage of us. For example, I hear parents say things like: “Yeah, I know I have a big guilt button.”
I’ve never personally been manipulated, but I know many people who have.
JKeller,
Controlling is also a smooth talking sexual predator who has plenty of experience manipulating and sweet talking young girls into bed and into the abortion clinic and will always be thankful the abortion clinic is there to cover his slimey tracks. Whatever you want to call him, pro or anti choice, he whole heartedly supports legal abortion and is very thankful for it.
Bethany,
An excellent post
Have I ever been manipulated? More times than I care to admit to. An yes, its usually people you love and/or trust and know you have a desire to please or help them in any way.
You have to give more credit than you do to the girls though, in these situations. Girls are capable of being strong, no matter how “smooth talking” their boyfriends are. There are a number of girls that would dump him and have the baby, or dump him and have an abortion.
Oh Jill…I didn’t get my information from NARAL. I have never even been to their website, nor do I care to. Same goes for NOW and any other “pro-choice” propaganda website you can think of.
Did I just say “Pro-choice propaganda”? You betcha. Propaganda goes both ways. :)
That was how I interpreted the law when I read through it.
But thanks for trying. ^_^
JKeller,
While that is true young girls like this can be vulnerable and an easy mark, that’s how predators prey on them in the first place. Whatever, the predator will be thankful the abortion clinic is there and will put his sweet talking skills to the test, hoping he can con and manipulate the girl. He is certainly pro-choice and legal abortion will help keep him out of the slammer, where, as far as I’m concerned, he should rot.
JKeller,
I must say that I’m surprised and more than a little disappointed that you are starting to sound more and more like our dear friend Texas Red. We have come so far, and I hate to see it all fall apart.
I recall a time when Jasper was seriously hurting Rae’s feelings on this board. Rae is pro-choice, Jasper is pro life, but I still called Jasper on the turn the conversation was taking.
I wish that instead of buddying up with someone so clearly angry, crass and vulgar, you would at the very least have steered clear of her and continued to give us your views in your usual way, or a the very most, let Texas understand that just because you are on one side of an issue, you still don’t appreciate the way she is expressing herself. You have the right to do anything you want. I was just surprised and more than a little disappointed.
Jasper,
Good work…pig’s ear to you! You never lost your cool and I must admit that I was almost hoping you’d let loose and let ‘er ‘ave it!
So if we boil everything that has been said her by TexasRed (minus the insults, and attempted comebacks…) we basically have…oh, nothing.
What exactly have you said Miss Red? I can’t for the life of me figure it out.
Something about Jasper is stupid, and antichoicers are idiots and everyone is simple minded…oh and fetus is a term for the unborn. And of course all the same old, same old disproven stuff about safety and rarity…something about birth being more dangerous than abortion (which I politely pointed out is not a fair comparison…)and women not having multiple abortions…
I don’t know how you have so much energy for someone so old…you know they now have very effective drugs for manic depression. Maybe you could look into it…
Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion
THAT WOULD BE ALMOST HALF OF ALL WOMEN OF CHILD BEARING AGE…you mentioned that there are 1,000,000,000 women in the US. Were you also claiming that 4 year olds and 92 year olds are getting pregnant? Don’t ya think that maybe to prove abortion is rare you ought to maybe have given the number of women THAT COULD ACTUALLY GET PREGNANT? And you call us simple minded.
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.
What was that you were saying about “most women” not having multiple abortions? I’m sorry, you’ll have to speak up, I’m having trouble hearing you…
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Laura, ya. I’m someone’s mom. So, what’s it to you? Texas Red makes herself look silly!! BWWWWWAAAAAA!!!!!
and she’s a great Mom too, so shut your trap Laura!
Thanks jasp!
I didn’t see where she said overtly hateful and derogatory things, unless it was something I’d glanced over and didn’t notice. She’s fairly new here, and if people start taking shots about her being pro-choice naturally she might want to lash back. The worst thing I saw her call you all were anti-choice and you said yesterday that you didn’t mind the term because it was accurate to your views on abortion.
Who? Texas Red or Laura? They are both vile!
OF COURSE pro aborts are lazy. They don’t want responsibility, and they don’t want you to have any either.
Jkeller, calling people “stupid”, “moronic”, “simple-minded”, “delusional”, “idiots”, etc…that’s not derogatory?
Bethany, right!
“47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.”
MK: What was that you were saying about “most women” not having multiple abortions? I’m sorry, you’ll have to speak up, I’m having trouble hearing you…
MK, don’t know to who you were replying, but 53% is “most.”
Doug