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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I bet if Crisis pregnancy centers did this to raise funds to help mothers so they don’t chose abortion, they’d raise a lot more funds,
These abortion funds are committing crimes by paying to kill thousands of unborn children.
The people who give money to these human being killing organizations are financing the crime of prenatal homicide. It is a terrible shame that there are so many people in our society who are either morally bankrupt or intellectually clueless to such an extent, that they cannot comprehend that it is a terrible violation of human rights and a terrible injustice to kill other people’s children.
“Balls out”? Oh boy, another incredibly sexist association of male genitalia with toughness and fortitude.
Funny how I’ve never seen a pro-life organization ever say anything like that.
Why doesn’t anyone ever call them on this?
I’ll give them one thing, they’re honest about saying “abortion”. Still, I’d think they’d realize the idea of everybody going out to have fun bowling to raise money for abortion is creepy. It’s the old thing where pro-choicers can’t come to a consensus on what they think about abortion – whether it’s no big deal, something to celebrate, or a tragic-but-necessary decision.
They are ‘crimes’ only in your head Joe. Nowhere else. That’s reality. Maybe its more a case of you being morally retarded and intellectually restricted?
Oh..I see “Reality” is back with more “logic”.
“reality” said: “Maybe its more a case of you being morally retarded and intellectually restricted?”
“The Rules” said:
“Criticize ideas, not people.”
No swearing or slandering of others.
No deliberate inflammatory comments.
Reality, if you’re not going to even attempt to read the rules, make civilized and constructive dialouge, and/or back up your posts with facts and logic, then don’t post here at all.
Did you not see the question mark NAR? (like that one) Or are you so blinkered by your myopic stance that you didn’t see the whole thing? (another question mark)
I was asking if perhaps Joe wasn’t ‘limited’ because of his beliefs.
That was after he said ‘either morally bankrupt or intellectually clueless’ – would that not also bump into ‘The Rules’? (that’s another question mark)
‘Deliberately inflammatory comments’ – don’t make me laugh, read every second post by most commenters here. Why do you think people like me respond?
The dearth of facts and logic lies in the persistent denial that abortions will still be taking place when words like ‘jesus’, ‘god’ and ‘bible’ are long forgotten.
Ok -here we go again! Civility anyone?
A question mark does not take the bite out of the retort. If there is a use of ‘you’ – in particular: Maybe its more a case of you being morally retarded and intellectually restricted? I believe that canceled out the question mark.
So gentlemen and gentlewomen all use good manners! Remember the golden rule! ;)
Are you applying for the moderator job, Joy?
:0)
Maybe someday! I’ve got a lot on my plate! It’d be an honor, though! ;)
Pray for our 40 day effort. We have a kickoff event tomorrow night!!
Well Joy, i think “Reality” canceled any chance at civility with that last remark…don’t you?
I noticed that all of these bowl a thons(Bowling for Bortion one site said)have been held already.
Fargo, ND only raised $100!! LOL
“They are ‘crimes’ only in your head Joe. Nowhere else. That’s reality. Maybe its more a case of you being morally retarded and intellectually restricted?”
Reality is technically correct that abortion is not criminal in the USA, just like how it technically wasn’t criminal when Stalin starved millions of people to death. However, it can hardly be said of someone that they are “morally retarded” when they oppose the killing of innocent unborn children. Just the opposite, really. The “intellectually restricted” charge might apply if Joe used the word “crimes” without an understanding of abortion being legal in the USA, but considering that he’s here, I think it’s safe to say that Joe knows that abortion is legal.
Or to put it succinctly, Reality is attempting to injure Joe with ad hominem attacks. What else is new? I would say that ad hominem attacking is the first debate “technique” practiced by children in kindergarten. For example, one child might say that he likes to eat carrots. Then a second one might say that he hates carrots. The first replies that carrots are healthy so it’s good to eat them. The second retorts, “Oh yeah? Well you smell like poo.” That’s pretty much what Reality is doing here.
And again the abortion advocates can’t get through the hour without mentioning the christian religion! Wow, I’m like so convinced to go all pro-abort now! What was I thinking, with all that pesky science and biology?! Come on, now, tell us again how pregnancy is slavery, too, please!
When I said prenatal homicide was a “crime”, I knew that it is not a “crime” under statute. I meant that it is a “crime” under natural law or moral law.
Remember, the Nazis were prosecuted for “crimes” at Nuremberg, even though the “crimes” they committed were “legal” (under statute) at the time they committed them.
Slavery was always a “crime” morally even when it was not considered that “legally”.
In other words, you can recognize that something is a “crime” by its nature, even if an unjust government does not recognize it as such by passing a statute against it.
The nature of a “crime”, such as murder or rape, would not change just because the government saw fit to allow it “legally”.
Reality is likely a human male that I term a pseudo-male. He is not really interested in the so-called “right to choose”. He prefers murdering the unborn to avoid the responsibility, financial and emotional that arises from having fathered a child. You see, if she kills the kid, he’s off the hook. I have nothing but contempt for these creatures.
Reality
Your being very very consistent. Question. If you had to choose between intelli-sense and heart sense which would you pick. Joe has chosen both. What would your choice be oh wise one. And if the whole world forgot about Jesus, people with your mindset would help them to remember quickly.
boo. it says FOR abortion funds. double boo!
Groan! You’re still wrong Joe. Abortion is only a ‘crime’ against ‘natural law’ or ‘moral law’ in your opinion. It is not factual.
Comparing abortion to the Holocaust or Stalin’s actions and practices such as slavery is not valid.
How about comparing enforced gestation with the ‘crimes’ of less pay for women or not allowing them to vote or participate in politics? The laws which supported these were legal.
You have no idea Mike. Just because I advocate womens’ right to choose does not mean I am anything like what you describe. I have never avoided any responsibility in any capacity.
I do have an idea young man. I have dealt with you, different name, different place all my long life now. My statement stands. You may not, as yet, have had to face that circumstance but by advocating child murder, you set yourself mentally in a position of self justification.
Your claim defies all logic Mike. You presume that those who support choice are without any behaviors or opinions of worth and that they would be in favor of dubious behaviors.
That is totally without foundation. It is tantamount to claiming that while I support women being allowed to vote, they must vote for who I instruct them to. What nonsense.
The only self justification going on is anti-choicers being unable to accept or acknowledge that pro-choicers are not all evil, violent, women-abusing troglodytes; thus those who support choice must be 100% reprehensible.
Reality
Explain in simple terms how the killing of a baby that is nestled securely (?) in its mothers womb is different from the gestapo showing up at your door. Of course it’s comparible Jews were victims, slaves were victims, and babies are victimized daily in a land that promises liberty and justice for all. And if you don’t avoid your responsibilities stop feeling obligated to make excuses for those that do. Give them the opportunity to grow up.
There is a small child inside Reality, lonely, hurt, sad, needing something, hating but wanting attention nonetheless – I know that person. They are all like that to a certain extent on their side.
Reality needs love. Lots of love. Don’t worry folks, one day she or he will understand. Reality being here, and posting here is just the first step – she actually doesn’t know it yet, but she will, she will…
Your comparison is unjustified Myrtle. They are two distinctly different concepts. Explain in simple terms how being legally evicted for not paying rent is different to having the house burnt down with you inside it.
Again with the tarring with the brush of ‘pro-choicers can’t be ‘good’ people’. I make no excuses for those that avoid their responsibilities. I am as against forcing or coercing women to abort as you are.
Mar, your words are meaningless, pointless and a totally fabricated little tale designed to belittle me and sooth your own fevered brow.
Never to belittle, only love.
Reality
They only differ to the extent that the fetus is dependant on the mom that is carrying him or her. And who wouldn’t rather be evicted than burning inside their home. It’s kind of funny though that you mention someone burning in their home. We have a ghost in our apartment who likes to play with the burners on the stove. So I have to turn the breaker off when I’m through with the stove. I don’t recall saying pro-choicers were bad people. I do believe that the strategists behind the movement are evil but hopefully most pro-choicers are just misguided. Thank you for mentioning that your against coercing women to abort, brings healing to my soul.
Reality, perhaps I should explain it in somewhat different terms. Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness. There is not ever any reason to kill the child. I have buried two of my children so the issue is precious to me. Real MEN don’t kill their kids, pseudo-males do. Real men support the mother of the child by marrying her and spending the rest of his life caring for his family. Pro-death people don’t. Your statements about pro-death supporters is exactly accurate. On THIS subject, they have no opinion or position that is of any worth. Your voter analogy is not germane to the discussion. My final word on this subject is to ask you a simple question, it’s a fill in the blank so it should be easy; Why must the child die for the ———— of the mother?
Mike,
I understand your passion. Now understand mine. I had an abortion 20 years ago. I was all alone, desperate and was coerced by lies of omission into an abortion I did not want. Told it was a bunch of cells, asked what kind of mother would I make? My abortion was the most horrifying experience of my life.
Now I am forgiven and fight along with you. So please know that 64% of abortions are forced/coerced. Women are NOT told the TRUTH in the mill, if an ultrasound is done she may or may not see it, nor is fetal development explained. There is no Informed Consent with abortion.
Women deserve better than abortion.
I share your sorrow and pain! I will pray for your dead child. I wasn’t aware that 64% of the murdered babies were forced or coerced. I would be willing to bet that the force and coercion comes mainly from the pseudo males. Be at peace, i will pray foryou also.
God bless you,,
Mike
Thank you, Mike.
My daughter is in heaven safe and sound with Jesus.
Family exerts great pressure along with the Daddies. When the only voices you hear are ALL telling you to abort, how do you stand up under that kind of pressure alone?
God bless you, Mike!
Some more stats from the unchoice website
http://www.theunchoice.com/
> 64% of American women felt pressured by others
> More than half felt rushed or uncertain, yet 67% received no counseling
> 79% were not told about available alternatives
> 84% said they were not fully informed
> 65% suffer symptoms of trauma
> Coercion can escalate to violence, putting women & children at risk
> Coerced abortion is an internationally recognized human rights abuse
> Homicide is the leading killer of pregnant women
> After abortion, maternal death rates are 4 times higher
> Post-abortion suicide rates are 6 times higher within the first year
Opinionated rhetoric Mike. The reasons for abortion are much broader and varied than what you cite.
I agree, real men don’t kill their kids. But that’s totally different to supporting women to make a free choice themselves. I’ve said I am against coerced or forced abortions, that same as I am against coerced or forced anything else. Such as enforced gestation.
The woman may not wish to marry the man, she may not wish to have anything to do with him in any way. Thats her choice.
“they have no opinion or position that is of any worth’ – which is exactly how pro-choicers feel about the likes of you!
I don’t answer leading questions with predetermined limited responses. How about this one, ‘why must a woman die, or have her life ruined because of an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy?’ – see, no gaps to fill in.
Carla, your information is not entirely complete, accurate or framed in the context of what questions are posed or how or when they are asked. Not exactly from an unbiased source either is it. They also lack the true range of cause and effect. A couple of examples:
In regards to trauma and post-abortion suicide rates, what broader impacts on the lives of these women which may have ocurred in concert with pregnancy or were part of the cause of that pregnancy? Such as being in an abusive relationship or under pressure due to work or study committments.
84% said they were not fully informed – at what stage? In what context? What knowledge of choices did they have before deciding to approach someone such as PP? I see no convincing evidence that the vast majority of women are not aware that they can keep the child, adopt it out or abort the fetus.
84% said they were not fully informed – at what stage? In what context? What knowledge of choices did they have before deciding to approach someone such as PP? I see no convincing evidence that the vast majority of women are not aware that they can keep the child, adopt it out or abort the fetus.
Reality,
Are you saying that a woman deserves to know all of her options, including access to a PRC before going to Planned Parenthood? I’m impressed. Could you contact the NY City Council, because they don’t believe the CPC’s are very helpful to pregnant women, in fact they say they often LIE to women? Thank you!
And….Carla’s experience is as valid as yours, mine, etc. No “bias” there. Just the truth.
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Carla,
Thank you for posting those statistics. They are shocking.
Well Janet, I guess that’s because CPC’s do lie to women.
Carla’s statistics need to be taken with an extra large dose of salt.
Hi Reality!!
Good Golly Miss Molly why am I not surprised that you would question the questions!!
ANY source that is prolife is biased to a proabort.
Salt away, Reality. In fact, if we lived closer I would salt them for you!! An extra large dose of salt for you coming up!!
I did not have informed consent before my abortion. I was coerced. Lied to by omission.
That is irrefutable. And I am hardly alone in my experience.
Life After Abortion documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52wOfP5TONk
You will notice that our stories sound eerily familiar after awhile!! Oh, and that is yours truly at 2:08
You obviously bring a lot of emotion to your beliefs, interpretation and words on abortion Carla. Yours may well be a sad story, but that does impact on the veracity of your claims in regards to anyone but yourself.
Yes, they are eerily familiar. Who wrote the scripts and did the coaching?
Well Janet, I guess that’s because CPC’s do lie to women.
What percentage of accusers have actually been to a CPC (PRC)? .00000000001. It’s all anti-life propaganda coming from pro-aborts. Check out this website and tell me who’s lying/exaggerating. Look at the heading “Avoid clinics that.: It’s so ridiculous it’s almost funny.
http://cpcwatch.org/CPC-Warning-Signs.php
And your propaganda is….?
reality,
Please check out the cpcwatch website! It’s full of exaggerations and falsehoods. For eg., It says to avoid clinics that: offer store-brand pregnancy tests (E.P.T, etc) and use vague terms when discussing the results. Pro-lifers don’t lie to women. Propaganda is generally not based on the TRUTH so it more likely to be found in the pro-abort camp.
Yep, I’ve read some of that stuff. I’ve also read a lot of the rubbish that’s written about abortion providers. I find those to be full of exaggerations, falsehoods and fabrications. There is a significantly greater quantity of ‘propaganda’ produced by anti-choicers. Just look at the comparative number of blogs and websites for a start.
Anti-choicers do lie to women, constantly.
Reality,
You are my new fave commenter!!
Hilarious!
Oh, and be sure to take EVERYTHING we say with a grain of salt ok?
Sweet dreams!
Reality,
There are more pro-life blogs than pro-choice ones? I didn’t know that, but, if so, I’d think it would be much easier morally and intellectually to write about the truth and the dignity of human life than trying to promote arguments for killing innocent unborn babies and defending the so-called amoral “right to abortion”. Again, the TRUTH will prevail. Stay tuned.
No, it’s because the bleating, self appointed arbiters of society feel righteous in their pious espousals of how people ‘should’ live their lives. Your campaigns preach to the converted, no-one else is going to change their stance.
Some reality for you Janet:
the great unwashed just don’t consider abortion to be ‘killing innocent unborn babies’
and will simply block their ears to terms such as ‘amoral “right to abortion” ‘
you’d have more luck convincing a smoker to quit their habit on the grounds that it’s ‘evil and blasphemous’.
As always, THE truth prevails – past, present and future.
Reality,
You’re too much. Do you remember how I used to call you “Unreality”?
Seriously, I can’t help that you don’t take a moral stance on abortion, but I have a right to have my own stance and proclaim it.
You know, a person doesn’t have to belong to a religion to be a decent human being and respect other human beings including the unborn.
The world has survived for 2000 years on the basic premises of the ten commandments – even non-believers – because the commandments help maintain a civilized society. If your version of reality doesn’t have room for the 6th commandment in regards to abortion, well fine, but you shouldn’t underestimate the strength of the pro-life position to defeat the evil that is elective abortion.
I do take a moral stance on abortion – My moral stance is that it’s fine. Not ‘wrong’ or ‘evil’ or against any justifiable ‘laws’
You do have a right to your stance. But keep it as your stance, don’t try to force it on others.
“a person doesn’t have to belong to a religion to be a decent human being” – oh how right you are, I couldn’t agree with you more!
Well, the ‘world’ has been around for billions of years. Humanity has been around for much, much longer than 2000 years. The ‘commandments’ are but the flutter of an eyelash in the body of the history of societies and civilization. Those acclaimed ‘commandments’ are actually derived from the lores and laws of societies that predate them.
You mean the wishful thinking of the pro-life position.
Elective abortion is not evil.
reality,
Glad to see we agree on something!!
Legalizing abortion forces (to use your vocabulary) abortion on pro-lifers. We have to drive our families by clinics and explain the unthinkable to our children – that babies die there. They have to try to process that in their innocent little minds and live with that fact for the rest of their lives. They try to understand how their teachers and political representatives can call abortion “fine” as you do. They try to make sense of TV that glorifies pre-marital sex, which leads to abortion. Abortion ruins whatever it touches. Saying abortion is “fine” cheapens the value of the human experience. Anyone should be able to see that.
Gotta run – it’s late. Good night.
Yeah and I have to drive my family by churches. Devout pentacostals have to drive their families by mosques and synagogues. Chevy lovers have to drive their families by Ford dealerships.
It is you who messes with their minds by claiming ‘babies die there’. You could wait until you think they’re old enough (probably about the same age as when you determine they may be old enough for sex education – that’d be about 35 for most posters here) and explain that someone has an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy and is having it terminated so that they don’t have a baby.
What would you tell children if they saw a used condom? “That’s full of dead and wasted potential babies”? What’s the difference.
And then they turn 19, studying for a bright future, have an oopsie! and guess what – most will make the choice that you disagree with.
“Saying abortion is “fine” cheapens the value of the human experience” – only in your opinion.
Exercise before bedtime can delay sleep, I suggest you meander.