Capturing the glorious moment: Obama and NARAL
Windy City Times is a gay Chicago publication. It posted a couple snapshots of those on hand, apparently in a reception tent near Grant Park, to celebrate Obama’s victory.
And there she was, NARAL prez Nancy Keenan, to smile with the “I want to reduce abortion” president-elect….
Say it ain’t so, Brad. And I don’t like your mustache either. Pitt has certainly strayed from his roots in his support of Obama, certainly fretting his parents. He comes from strong Christian stock in MO who attend the same church denomination as me. He’s pictured with 2 Chicago gay activists, long-time lovers.
[HT: Fran at IL Review]
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
.my bad. I saw the reference to the mustache you didn’t like Jill and looked at Nancy Keenan.
lol
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/pre-empting-foca/
Jill is complimented on Hot air and there is
President Bush Administrative orders protecting professionals:
“A last-minute Bush administration plan to grant sweeping new protections to health care providers who oppose abortion and other procedures on religious or moral grounds has provoked a torrent of objections, including a strenuous protest from the government agency that enforces job discrimination laws.
The proposed rule would prohibit recipients of federal money from discriminating against doctors, nurses and other health care workers who refuse to perform or to assist in the performance of abortions or sterilization procedures because of their “religious beliefs or moral convictions.”
It would also prevent hospitals, clinics, doctors’ offices and drugstores from requiring employees with religious or moral objections to “assist in the performance of any part of a health service program or research activity” financed by the Department of Health and Human Services.
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This is an in your face to Obama. So When Obama tries to change this, it can’t exactly be another one of his covert tactics. I like President Bush more every day.
xppc, President Bush has spent 8 years reaching out to the Democrats and those scum have done nothing but bite his hand with their poisonous fangs. They have been doing everything they can to ruin his presidency, even working to screw up America and lose the war on terror just to make Bush look bad. Their allies in the media helped out quite a bit, and the result is the 2006 and 2008 elections.
I am never going to vote for a Democrat for as long as I live. If the Republican candidate is unacceptable, I’ll vote for a third party. If there is no third party or they’re also bad, I’ll write in someone. But I’m not voting for a Democrat. Never. Choosing to be a Democrat should disqualify you from getting the vote of any sane person.
And I say “as long as I live” because when I’m dead, ACORN will probably register me to vote as a Democrat.
“I don’t recall the media swooning when President George W. Bush reached out to rivals, such as Sen. Teddy Kennedy, who was asked to co-write Bush’s education bill. In fact, the way I remember it, Bush is liberals’ most hated president ever (only because they can’t remember George Washington or they’d hate him, too).
And yet no modern president has ever done more to bridge partisan divides and show respect to his opponents than George W. Bush. I do not say this with admiration; it is simply a fact.
Throughout the year and again in his convention speech during the 2000 presidential campaign, Gov. Bush bragged that he had “no stake in the bitter arguments of the last few years. I want to change the tone of Washington to one of civility and respect.”
(As a side note: Bush would never have been elected president if not for the “bitter arguments of the last few years,” in which Republicans exposed and impeached Bill Clinton, which then killed Al Gore’s presidential ambitions. So you’re welcome.)
But the point is: Bush was massively chummy with his enemies — Democrats, communists and the Congressional Black Caucus. So chummy that even they began to wonder if he was a little daft.
In his first few weeks in office, Bush met with more than 150 members of Congress, half of them Democrats — including five events with America’s leading liberal menace, Sen. Teddy Kennedy.
Bush’s very first social event at the White House was movie night with the Kennedy family to watch “Thirteen Days,” a falsely heroic portrayal of JFK’s disastrous handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis. This suggests to me that Obama’s first social move as president will have to be to invite Lindsey Graham over to a screening of “Larry the Cable Guy Saves Christmas.”
Naturally, Bush also had primary rival John McCain and his wife, Cindy, over to dinner at the White House.
Bush was the first president in memory to attend the congressional retreats of the opposing party. After two weeks in office, a Wall Street Journal column noted that Bush’s charm offensive was “disorienting the local Hatfields and McCoys.” (Again: You’re welcome.)
Bush even made a special point to meet with the Congressional Black Caucus upon taking office, which — given their feelings toward Bush — would be the equivalent of Obama holding a special meet-and-greet session with the upper management of the Ku Klux Klan.
Bush invited the Democratic black mayor of the District of Columbia to the White House, attended a majority black District church service and appointed the first black secretary of state.
And that was all before Feb. 1, 2001. (By the end of his presidency, he would have appointed the first two black secretaries of state.)
Though it was small potatoes after all that palling around with Teddy Kennedy, this is the same George W. Bush who had Muslim “spiritual leaders” to the White House a week after 9/11.
Bush also famously said of then-Russian president, former KGB agent Vladimir Putin, that he looked him in the eye and “was able to get a sense of his soul.”
(This made Bush’s critics almost as apoplectic as if he had said, “I looked into Putin’s eyes and, frankly, I just don’t trust the guy.” No matter what Bush did, liberals were incensed.)
As president, Bush scuttled the playing of “Hail to the Chief” in his honor and repeatedly reminded his staff to act humbly.
This is as opposed to Obama, who I believe is the first president-elect in history to have his own “Office of the President-elect” seal commissioned.
Like I always say, even if you don’t like the current president-elect, you should still have some respect for the office of the presidency-elect.”
-Ann Coulter
Jill and others: I just wanted you to know that sometimes, like now, when I am down because of the election and other matters, I go to a blog called http://sanctuaryministries.blogspot.com/. Sanctuary Ministries operates out of Orlando Florida and regularly witnesses in front of the Orlando Women’s Center abortuary.
I thought at one time I had gotten their url from your site, but I don’t see it anywhere now. They witness because they are called by God to witness. They don’t see a lot of success, but they have hope and they keep doing their job in spite of few returns. Now that is faith. I have posted sometimes on their blog that I pray for them because living in California there is not much else I can do.
Just wanted to say, these people give me hope that there is hope in the world and being bogged down by today’s troubles is not the end of the world. Perhaps this will inspire you and others to keep the faith.
what do you expect from Brad Pitt? He refuses to marry Angelina until “all people can marry”.
What’s the point of this post? Happy people celebrating an election victory: stop the presses.
I agree about the mustache. What was he thinking?
Ok, so brad pit with a mustache looks just like my brother in law. That’s too funny.
I personally boycott anything to do with Brad Pitt. He started his affair with Angelina when he was still married, and as Liz has already stated, will not get married again until everyone can.
He and Angelina flaunt their unwedded bliss and having children outside of marriage. Call me old fashioned, but the Bible says its wrong. And that applies in 2008.
There are sadly few Hollywood people who arent raving liberals. Those that are conservative I think are considered freaks. There werent many behind McCain, at least not publically.
And I dont count Gov Arnold. He is RINO.
you’re old fashioned.
You’re old fashioned
Joanne, it may matter to you that the bible says it is wrong. But it doesn’t matter to everyone. And that’s okay.
Oh, and I don’t like the moustache either. Maybe he thought it made him look more Middle America for the trip to Chicago. Though maybe that’s not Middle America. Hard to tell from here…. it’s so far away!
I actually never cared for Sean Penn. However, I do admire his views on marriage.
.my bad. I saw the reference to the mustache you didn’t like Jill and looked at Nancy Keenan.
Posted by: xppc at November 20, 2008 4:16 PM
Too funny. During the presidential campaign, NOW was claiming Sarah Palin too be more of a man than a women. Some NOW respresentative (I can’t remember her name) was being interviewed on TV explaining their position on why they released this nonsense.
My 8 year old daughter happened to come into the room, looked at the TV screen and asked “mom whose that guy?”
I had to explain to her it was a woman;)
Virginia, Hal….thank you…. I consider that a compliment!
And I dont expect you will believe me, but other Christians here will agree that according to the Bible God judged people and nations eventually for their immorality if they did not repent.
Look at what is happening with the gays in America. They lost prop 8, and are now protesting coast to coast, and even in churches! Now I am sure less radical people would agree that is extremely disrespectful to put it mildly. These “activists” are even bringing kids to their protests…. no matter what the issue leave kids out of it!
I just saw on The Oreilly Factor that a Christian missionary was assaulted in San Fransico. A protestor took her Bible, and when she asked for it back he refused and began hitting her on the head with it.
What is wrong with people? Do they really think they are going to “convert” others to their cause with this kind of behavior?
And liberals accuse conservatives and republicans of being sore losers. There wasnt a single protest anywhere when O was declared elected, and some folks (such as myself) are not convinced this election wasnt stolen. Anyone remember the FBI was investigating about a dozen states for voter fraud, all in battleground states. Yes ACORN was not needed in California or Utah, but they needed to register the dead in Nevada, Indiana and several others. I am not convinced this was a real election win. The fix had been in with the media for months, declaring McCain had “lost” back in September already. Give me a break!
What’s the point of this post? Happy people celebrating an election victory: stop the presses.
Posted by: hal at November 20, 2008 5:12 PM
Your hero (you know… the one that wants to reduce abortions) was photographed with the head of NARAL, a rather radical abortion rights group.
You think NARAL and PP arent going to be expecting O to do exactly what they want as soon as he is sworn in.
“The first thing I would do is sign FOCA” he said. They wont let him forget it.
I think that was the point.
Joanne, sorry I should have said “old fashioned and delusional”! The election was stolen? Right…………. kinda hard to sell that given the huge electoral college differential. But you , why you go girl….
It is possible to support choice AND reduce the number of abortions. May be hard for some of you to accept but it’s true and it just may be the new direction that the prolife movement takes.
I’m almost certain this has not been covered on MSNBC or CNN…. they are in the tank for OBama, but for sure the FBI was investigating voter fraud in at least 12 states.
Nevada, Indiana, Pennsyvania, Ohio, not sure of the others, but all states considered tossups.
As I stated, there was no need to register dead people in california or Utah because those states were locks for O and McCain respectively.
And that “huge electoral college differential” you talk about may be true, but O actually only got 52% of the popular vote, a bare majority…. and an indication that not everyone was suffering with Obama mania syndrome.
Also many states O won were with very slim margins…. NC, Indiana, Nevada to name a few. They needed every ballot they could get, including the Dallas Cowboy players voting in Nevada, and an untold number returning from the dead also to vote.
I believe it was Indianapolis that had more registered voters than they did people. I guess at least a few people took the suggestion “vote early and vote often” seriously.
And you call me delusional?
Listen to something other than the Communist News Network and you might find out what is really going on.
“Your hero (you know… the one that wants to reduce abortions) was photographed with the head of NARAL, a rather radical abortion rights group.”
NARAL and Obama would be happy if the abortion demand went down. That’s the only “solution” to this problem.
Wow. Another eye opener. People like you really do exist Joanne.
Oh yeah, talk to HisMan sometime…..
Virginia K, 7:49PM
Why do you want to reduce abortions?
Joanne,
You got me thinking about Ohio also — the 200,000 mismatched voter registration forms that the Ohio sec of state wouldn’t release. Could you imagine the protest that would have occurred had it been the other way around?
There it is: smiles all around on election night. The sodomites got their favorite elected, and they are going to expect a disproportionate response from the new prez. They probably will be disappointed, as some of the KOS kids are already complaining that the politics of “change” and “hope” are beginning to look like the rebirth of the Clinton era.
As an aside, the development reported by WND that the Supremes are going to review the Obama citizenship question in conference on Dec. 5 does raise some interesting possibilities. There is a lot of pressure on them to at least demand a look at pertinent sealed documentation. If they refuse to do that and it is later revealed that Obama was indeed inelligible then the question becomes did the highest court do their job. What then? People say the Obama citizenship issue has the potential of developing into a constitutional crisis. But that would seem puny in comparison if the highest court in the land refuses to do their job.
Joanne,
You got me thinking about Ohio also — the 200,000 mismatched voter registration forms that the Ohio sec of state wouldn’t release. Could you imagine the protest that would have occurred had it been the other way around?
Posted by: Eileen #2 at November 20, 2008 8:29 PM
Absolutely Eileen. ACORN helped O “win” this election, its as simple as that.
Last time I checked dead people do not have the right to vote, but I guess an exception was made for O this time. Not too surprising since his eligibility for PResident is questionable as well.
What are my own reasons Mary? Some people change their position and deeply regret it later as we have seen here. And I can’t imagine anything other than the morning after-pill being a very pleasant experience. No one hopes for an abortion.
There are other reasons of course, and some very strongly felt, that others have for wanting to reduce abortion.
The beauty of this is that reducing abortions can be a common goal for both sides.It will require a different mindset for the hard prolifers though.
NARAL and Obama would be happy if the abortion demand went down. That’s the only “solution” to this problem.
Posted by: hal at November 20, 2008 8:01 PM
If this is true, why did O oppose parential notification, as well as the partial birth abortion ban? And why does he support FOCA?
Virginia K,
Any reason. Why would anyone at all want to reduce abortion? For instance, I think freedom of religion makes our country great and I wholeheartedly support it. Its in the Consititution and I do not want freedom of religion reduced in any way. I want it exercised to the fullest. The more people exercising freedom of religion, the better.
What is wrong with abortion that you want to reduce it and why no one would hope for it?
Joanne and Mary — very good questions.
It’s awfully bitter and petty to be picking on someone’s mustache. If you’re pro-life shouldn’t you be in favor of the health and happiness of gay people (or are you in favor of only those you agree with being happy?).
Joanne: I agree totally with your 7:10pm comment!
Virginia will not be surprised! lol
YLT,
Who’s moustache are you talking about? Brad Pitt’s or Nancy Keenan’s? Is she gay? Personally I have no issue with her being gay, I’ve just read these comments about moustaches and I’m wondering who is talking about what.
Joanne: I agree totally with your 7:10pm comment!
Virginia will not be surprised! lol
Posted by: Patricia at November 20, 2008 9:38 PM
Thanks Patricia! I knew there were other old fashioned people here besides me.
I’m just really tired of immoral people like Brad Pitt being worshipped by people. Meanwhile others like Patricia Heaton who is very pro life is considered a freak or moron.
Kirk Cameron is one of the very few actors I can think of who is openly Christian. I think there may be others but not a lot.
We need a lot more Patricia Heatons and Kirk Camerons in the entertainment industry.
“Also many states O won were with very slim margins…. NC, Indiana, Nevada to name a few.”
Take the electoral votes from them. We don’t need them anyway. :)
Oh yeah, talk to HisMan sometime…..
Posted by: hal at November 20, 2008 8:09 PM
Don’t do it Virginia! Don’t do it!
“Absolutely Eileen. ACORN helped O “win” this election, its as simple as that.”
“The group flags problematic registration cards for election officials and no one has shown any link between registration fraud and fraudulent ballots actually being cast on Election Day.”
If this is true, why did O oppose parential notification, as well as the partial birth abortion ban? And why does he support FOCA?
Posted by: Joanne at November 20, 2008 8:43 PM
Perhaps, like me, he thinks the better way to reduce abortion is to reduce the demand (reduce unwanted pregnancies) than to put restrictions on women who want to terminate a pregnancy. Reducing unwanted pregnancies can mean reducing the unwanted part or reducing the pregnancy part.
hal,
women on birth control have nothing but unwanted pregnancies. Would you recommend starting fires in homes with fire rertadent drapes and carpets because it is safer and ends with with fewer houses burning down. Wouldn’t reason dictate that you don’t start the fire at all unless you want to burn the house down?
Then why tell a women it is o.k. to have more frequent intercourse because the sex is safer? Typical liberal irrationality to support a logic that says sex when you don’t want babies is going to reduce the number of abortions as long as you use birth control. ugh
NARAL and Obama would be happy if the abortion demand went down. That’s the only “solution” to this problem.
Posted by: hal at November 20, 2008 8:01 PM
Hal,
Seriously. You are way smarter than this.
Abortion is a business. People makes tons of money from abortion. If these organizations wanted the abortion rates to go down, why don’t they support CPCs? Why don’t they give more counseling for women prior to the procedure?
Why don’t they want ultrasounds to be shown at appointments?
We have been over this a million times.
The fact is there are fat cat lobbyists who make a living for supporting the killing of the unborn, as well as clinics, doctors, nurses, etc…
Maybe if they were all so concerned for women, they would do it for free. Then let’s see how many abortions they would try to prevent.
I disagree with you Sandy. I’m sure NARL would be happy if there was no demand for abortion.
“The group flags problematic registration cards for election officials and no one has shown any link between registration fraud and fraudulent ballots actually being cast on Election Day.”
And they also go looking for registrants. The 200,000 voter registrations had mismatched driver’s license numbers and social security numbers. They should have been examined.
“The group flags problematic registration cards for election officials and no one has shown any link between registration fraud and fraudulent ballots actually being cast on Election Day.”
And they also go looking for registrants. The 200,000 voter registrations had mismatched driver’s license numbers and social security numbers. They should have been examined.
Jill – i have to say that every time I read your blog and you highlight names and places in bold seemingly for no reason at all, it reads so much like a celebrity tabloid about J-Lo or Simon Cowell. Not unlike Jackie Harvey from The Onion. For someone who is vehemently anti-gay you sure write in a twee style.
“And they also go looking for registrants. The 200,000 voter registrations had mismatched driver’s license numbers and social security numbers. They should have been examined.”
It doesn’t matter if there’s no proof that there was anything wrong with the voting. I can go register Joe McButtCrack, but it doesn’t matter as long as Joe McButtCrack doesn’t actually vote.
I disagree with you Sandy. I’m sure NARL would be happy if there was no demand for abortion.
Posted by: Hal at November 21, 2008 2:21 PM
yeah right Hal. Abortion is NARAL’s raison d’etre.
in their minds, every abortion means another “liberated” woman.
Just like your wife is.
Josephine,
They interviewed a “Joe McButtCrack” who admits he voted several times for Obama using different names. He supposes this was illegal but hey, didn’t stop him.
Mary, if that were true.. then why is the government saying there is no proof that there was any voting fraud, just registration fraud?
Josephine,
The fact that something can’t be proven isn’t always relevant. Gangster Al Capone was convicted of income tax evasion, his crimes could never be proven.
Why do you think there has been objection to picture ID for voting? I believe someone on this blog mentioned they didn’t have to present any kind of proof when they went to vote and were quite surprised. I think this makes voter fraud very easy as well as difficult to prove.
Hal,
If abortion is such a good thing, why would NARAL or anyone be happy if there was no demand for abortion?
Mary, if there would be no demand for it, then it wouldn’t be seen as a good thing.
Doug,
Say what?
Mary, you said, “If abortion is such a good thing..”
Well, if there would be no demand for it, as you postulated in your question, then it’s not going to be seen as “good.”
Doug,
I’m questioning why people who support abortion want to end it. What’s wrong with abortion?
It’s not up to “people who support legal abortion,” Mary.
Many women have abortions and in the end are glad they did, on balance, but that does not mean they wouldn’t have preferred to not get pregnant in the first place.
So, other people may see that prevention is better than abortion and want that for women.
NARAL is Pro-Choice, and if nobody wants to have an abortion, NARAL isn’t going to be bumming out.
That goes for changing conditions, i.e. economic, etc., that would mean that fewer women wanted abortions, as well.
Doug,
Why does anyone want to see abortion end at all?
I think we all agree freedom of religion makes our country great and is a good thing. I never want to see it end, I want to see more of it. In fact I don’t think we can have too much. The same with freedom of speech, the press, and assembly.
Abortion is the only “right” I know of that people want “rare” or non-existent. Why is that? Can you think of any other such right Doug?
Why does anyone want to see abortion end at all?
Mary, because from several standpoints there are better things than having an abortion.
…..
Abortion is the only “right” I know of that people want “rare” or non-existent. Why is that? Can you think of any other such right Doug?
If the building’s on fire, we want people to be free to jump, if there’s nothing better available. Still, it’d be much better not to have to jump, i.e. let’s have fires be “rare” or non-existent.
We’re not going to outlaw plastic surgery, but there too it’d be nice if people didn’t need it or didn’t want it.
Doug 5:05PM
Why isn’t abortion preferable? What’s wrong with it?
I’m afraid I don’t quite understand your fire analogy.
Has anyone argued that plastic surgery should be rare? Of course it there’s a psych. issue involved I’d rather see the person have counselling. Otherwise I have no issue with a mature adult who wants work done.
I wonder though. Its been argued that since rich women can have abortions then its only fair the gov’t pay for abortions for poor women. Shouldn’t it also pay for plastic surgery for women who can’t otherwise afford it? Fair is fair.
yeah right Hal. Abortion is NARAL’s raison d’etre.
in their minds, every abortion means another “liberated” woman.
Just like your wife is.
Posted by: Patricia at November 22, 2008 6:56 AM
Having an abortion doesn’t make a woman “liberated.” You really don’t understand the pro-choice movement. Yes, their reason for being is to protect abortion rights, but if those rights weren’t in danger, they’d happily go away. Would the American Cancer Society be bummed out if there was no cancer anymore?
@ Posted by: Mary at November 22, 2008 10:55 AM
Well, nothing you said changes the fact that there’s no proof of voting fraud. No proof. You can’t just assume it to be true, and that makes it true.
People assumed the Earth was flat, after all.
Josephine,
Let’s just say I’ll take the man’s word for it that he voted more than once and I don’t personally believe he was the only one.
I Googled “flat earth” and got over 2,000,000 hits.
Doug,
Is there scientific debate concerning the shape of the earth?
Fine, Mary.
I’ll use your logic:
I’m not actually Josephine, I’m Mary Lou Retton. And, since I said it, you have to believe me. :)
Don’t you realize what you just said is so bizarre? One guy said he voted more than once, and you believe him. Not only do you believe him, but with NO REASON for thinking this– you say you think other people did, too! There’s no proof, no one has even been accused.
Mary, there certainly used to be scientific debate over the earth’s shape.
I’ve said it before – the debate over global warming will likewise die down.
Josphine,
OK, I’m really Dolly Parton.
I said I believe what the man said and I don’t believe he’s alone.
No there’s no voter fraud. The dead of Chicago really do climb out of their graves to vote.
Doug 12:26PM
It certainly will, when people finally realize its claptrap.
Heh – Mary, it’s going the other way. We will see.
Doug,
You got that right. Some argue we are entering an ice age!
Mary. Wow.
You believe a random man, you’ve never met, do you know anything about his life? Do you know him? Or is it just a random man who said ONE thing, and since that’s what you WANT to have happened.. you’ll think it’s true? :)
Josephine,
Since I’ve never met him then I have no way of knowing if he’s a liar either, right?
Oh geeze Mary.
So, you believe all the stories in the National Enquirer? You don’t know the writers personally, do you? So, you have no reason to think they’re lying.
Josephine,
I didn’t read this in the National Enquirer, I don’t even read it! The man was on a television news program. I don’t know him, he may be lying, he may be telling the truth. I believed him because he was able to discuss in detail how he went about voting several different times.
Also, a regular poster on this blog stated she did not have to present any proof of ID when voting, which could well make fraud easy.
Again I chose to believe the man because he spoke knowledgably as someone would who had committed voter fraud.
Josephine
Let me put it this way. Do I think drug dealing go on in my community? Absolutely. Do I know the people involved? No. Can I prove anything?
No.
The same with voter fraud. I have no doubt it goes on.
…So, if you have no doubt it goes on– you must think it goes on for BOTH sides, right?
:)
(The ” :) ” face wasn’t meant to be condescending… I realized it seemed that way after I hit enter.)
Josephine,
Most of the dead in Chicago tended to vote for Democrats.
Well, we only know of one case that it “happened”..
I don’t see how you can believe it only happened on one side. Obviously if it happened in Chicago.. a very liberal area, than they would go Democrat… but, whose to say it didn’t happen in other areas?
Josephine,
Well, in fact the dead did vote for Democrats in Florida and New York as well.
Most of the dead in Chicago tended to vote for Democrats.
Posted by: Mary at November 23, 2008 5:13 PM
What? The dead don’t get secret ballots anymore? How do you know who they voted for?
Hal,
I know what you mean. Somehow they manage.
I thought we only knew of one case where it “happened”?
Josephine,
There is nothing new about voter fraud and the dead have been voting for years. That’s why I believe the man when he says he voted more than once for Obama. At least he’s alive!
I choose not to believe this guy. Especially because… well, why would he brag about it. My theory: he’s a McCain supporter who is disgruntled and trying to make lessen Obama’s victory.
Josephine,
Why wouldn’t he say something? Its not like the guy’s going to prison. Who knows his name and how can anyone in fact prove he did vote for Obama several times?
Its a matter of if you want to believe him or not. I’m not the least bit surprised by what he said and I believe him. You can certainly choose not to.
Certainly if the dead can climb out of their graves and vote, then this guy can vote more than once for the same candidate.
Doug, That’s disgusting!
Josephine,
There are people who illegally receive Social Security checks for years after someone has died. Why is voter fraud so hard for you to believe?
It’s not hard for me to believe. I don’t believe it effected who won.
I sure as hell believe if it happened on the Obama side, it happened on the McCain side too. :)
Janet, how’s this one?
