Don’t let anybody tell you that religious people don’t support choice…
You not only have a constitutional right for abortion, but you have a God-given right.
~”Rev.” Carlton Veazey, president of Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, as quoted by CNSNews.com, December 3
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Uh — I’m no theologian, so please tell me where in the Bible does it say this?
Unbelievable!
Phillymiss, probably in the exact same place the Constitution gives the right to abort another human being. ;)
I don’t get it. How can someone, who claim to be a servant of God, think that ripping a child from the womb is a God-Given right. I don’t understand. What if Mary (who was unwed when she found out that she was pregnant) told herself…”well I don’t want to be stoned to death, so I will get rid of this pregnancy…I know God has his reasons, but its my right!” Can you imagine what would have happened?
This man is clearly on something…
No, Mr. Veazey, if there is a God then he most certainly gave you the right to be free, be equal, and be peaceful. If there is a God then he cannot delight in the despair of the world, otherwise the world would have crumbled long ago.
Wow…. he really needs a LOT of prayer.
“Veazey, closing speaker at a “Stop Stupak” rally on Capitol Hill staged by major pro-abortion groups such as Planned Parenthood, NARAL-Pro Choice, and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) told the crowd that not only did they have a constitutional right to abortion, but that they had a God-given one as well.”
(CNS News)
Rev. Veazy should know better than to mix religion and politics.
Apparently God-given rights are recognized in the public square only when they serve the liberals’ purposes.
In Deut 30:19 God tells us, “This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live”
That we are able to choose all manner of vile atrocities to commit against ourselves and others does not make any of those a “right”, muchless “God-given”. God is the author of life. Consider Jesus said He is the Way the Truth and the Life, not “like” any of those. He IS them. It grieves me so to see men and women who claim to know Christ become as Romans 1:32 describes, applauding evil.
“Rev” Veazey, do you trample underfoot the Son of God so? Do you count as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant you at least claim to be sanctified by? How much do they pay you to speak? Is it worth your eternal soul?
Religous people may agree that it is a right, which I do not believe. The problem with clumping christians and religous people is religon is not what I am about. Religous people believe in a god that sits up there letting us do what we can and then gets invovled only when asked. I, as a Christ following and Christ loving christian, believe God created every human from the BEGINNING. He put the two cells together to create a seperate new person. He meant for that person to be. I believe God is involved in everything in my life.
So please whether or not you are a God follower or an athiest, please understand there is a HUGE difference between the god this guy follows and the One I follow.
We also have a God-given right to send ourselves into the fiery abyss.
It’s true that God has always given us free will.
Having a right to something does not make that something right or good.
Exerting our God-given freedoms has resulted in many, many atrocities, not the least of which is abortion.
This is so wrong there aren’t even words for it. But if there were, I think klynn73 nailed it with:
In Deut 30:19 God tells us, “This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live”
I hate that people who may not know any better will be influenced by what this “man of God” claims is true. So very tragic and just plain wrong.
“You not only have a constitutional right for abortion, but you have a God-given right.”
~”Rev.” Carlton Veazey, president of Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
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More stunning proof that humans are stupid!
Theology and Divinity degrees and ‘religion’ seem to make human’s more stupid, not less.
This human, Carlton Veazey, has obviously been educated/indoctrinated beyond his intelligence.
I am sure there are some bible thumpin klansmen that would argure it is their god given right to lynch black men.
Just like there are koran thumpin jew hatin mass murderers who would claim that is their god given responsibility to saw the heads off infidels.
Veazey’s vacuous pronouncements are just as ridiculous as the Jihadist or the Klansman.
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This quote is just so IDIOTIC…Sorry…have to leave the room before my head explodes! :O
I am with Phillymiss on this one.
Where in Scripture does it say this??
What is it with Black Ministers and politicians who keep pushing abortion and contraception on their own people? 11% of the population has 37% of all abortions, and nobody has a problem with this? Add to that an 80% illegitimacy rate.
The good Reverend might want to return to the Gospel of Jesus, rather than the gospel of Sanger. He’ll find a much healthier way of life for his congregation. He’ll also find that the congregation will ….grow!
What is it with Black Ministers and politicians who keep pushing abortion and contraception on their own people? 11% of the population has 37% of all abortions, and nobody has a problem with this? Add to that an 80% illegitimacy rate.
Gerald, I have a BIG PROBLEM with this! I grew up in the black church, and I am really dismayed at the path it has taken. I’m not saying these churches don’t do any good, but in most major cities they have become the “religious” arm of the Democratic Party. Black ministers routinely endorse Democratic candidates from the pulpit, but my Catholic friends have to stand a certain number of feet from their churches to even pass out prolife literature. There are a few black ministers who stand up for life, but they are rare. It really is a shame.
Phillymiss,
I worked from 1983-1990 at Covenant House in Times Square with homeless teens, mostly Black. I was/remain appalled at the message being given these children by their churches and political leaders. Since you grew up in the Black Church, maybe you can answer my longstanding question. Where did it all go so terribly wrong? It seems as though the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. was the great watershed moment in the Black community. What happened?
Only God knows his true heart, but this man is NO Man of GOD. He must be worshiping Satan. Perhaps his bible is missing the commandment that says “Thou Shall not Kill”.
Gerald, I can’t speak for all blacks folks, all I can give is my opinion, but I believe that like many churches, the black church is focused on being politically correct and being in line with the liberal Democratic party line and playing the politics of victimization.
Yes, there are people that are victims and there is racism (believe me, I have experienced it) but there are things black people can do to improve our situation. For one thing, stop killing each other. It’s depressing to watch the news and see young black men being victims and perps of gun violence. Here in Philly 90 percent of victims and 90 percent of perps in gun related homicides are black males, and things are pretty much the same all over the country. Not all rap music is bad, but I am shocked to listen to some of it and hear all the talk about killing, violence, and disrespect towards women. All these factors create a culture where violence is acceptable.
Also, you mentioned the 80 percent out of wedlock rate. I am not saying I am exemplary, but I have two children: a daughter by my ex-husband and an adopted son. This is not the norm for black women. I feel that this a tremendous problem, but the churches never say anything about it.
I am a social worker and its not uncommon to see women under thirty with four or five children by as many men — and the men often aren’t even around. Some women are not even sure who the father of their child(ren) is. I know it’s not PC, but I think the lack of strong male role models has devastated the black family. One good thing about Obama is that he seems to be a good husband and father to his little girls and at least in this respect is a good role model.
Back to what I was saying about being politically correct — you probably read about the Baltimore City Council targeting CPC’s. This law is just intended to harrass these organizations. Come on, do women not know what “abortion alternatives” menas Can’t they just look in the phonebook if they do want an abortion? And prochoicers say that we do not respect the intelligence and decision-making abilities of women . . . Anyway, the mayor and the woman who drafted this law are both black. There is another black congresswoman in Texas who drafted a similar law. Yet CPC’s, at least the ones I’ve worked with, serve many, many women of color. This just shows that these politicians are in bed with Big Abortion, and they probably go to church every Sunday. I know we’re not to be judgmental about people, but I just wonder how these women reconcile their faith with their actions. I just don’t understand.
I usually keep my opinions to myself because I just don’t feel like being called an “Uncle Tom” or some other nonsense. I am an Independent and I consider myself a moderate. But anyone who does not tow the party line in the black community is often considered suspect. Sad.
“I usually keep my opinions to myself because I just don’t feel like being called an “Uncle Tom” or some other nonsense.”
Phillymiss,
Thank you for voicing your opinion. I found it very interesting. (Your comment would make a perfect “letter to the editor”.)
I didn’t realize that there existed this risk of being called an “Uncle Tom” until the incident on Fox News recently where Juan Williams was berated on the air by another black man. What a horrible thing. (I guess I shouldn’t be surprised because there are terribly rude people of every color.) This might explain why so many black people are leaving the cities when they achieve some sort of upward mobility even though it is not the best way to improve the black communities in the cities from within. I never quite understood why this so often happens.
I agree that the violence is shocking and the family situations bleak. Teachers and children are afraid to go to school. Maybe the military could start a new program of recruiting retired personnel as teachers in the inner city schools. That would bring some discipline and good role models. I know there are many good people who are going back and doing great things, but so much more should be done. Now. What can we people who are looking in from the outside do? Obviously the system is broken. Ideas?
“Phillymiss,
I worked from 1983-1990 at Covenant House in Times Square with homeless teens, mostly Black. I was/remain appalled at the message being given these children by their churches and political leaders. Since you grew up in the Black Church, maybe you can answer my longstanding question. Where did it all go so terribly wrong? It seems as though the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. was the great watershed moment in the Black community. What happened?”
Posted by: Gerard Nadal at December 4, 2009 9:40 AM
Your work in NYC must have been one of the hardest jobs in the world. Did you ever meet Fr. Benedict Groeschel?
Janet,
I spent a year in NY’s seminary and was taught Ascetical Theology by Father Groeschel. Best theology class ever. I absolutely love him.
Phillymiss,
You need to stand on the roof tops and SCREAM what you just wrote here today. Janet was quite correct that those seven years were some of the toughest in my life. They occupied me from 23-30. Beastly, ghastly stuff that I saw.
I entered that experience rather hippy/liberal. I emerged a Reagan Conservative. Above all else, I emerged convinced that there is a eugenic and genocidal movement aimed primarily at Blacks from the left.
Five of my years at Covenant House were spent with unwed mothers. My experience comports exactly with yours in that the girls had a different father for every child. It was a searing eye-opener. Some girls could only narrow the possible father to two or three possibilities.
It took me years to try and piece things together to make a coherent picture, and it still has gaping holes. Certainly birth control has increased promiscuity, and that has led to the sky high illegitimacy rate, but not in other communities. I can’t say that other communities have lower illegitimacy rates due to higher abortion, because blacks have a disproportionately higher rate of abortions. I think that your observation about the role of fathers has the most to do with the way things are.
Not often spoken of, but fathers, and men in general have been under siege for some time now. With rare exception, fathers and men are portrayed on TV as weak-minded fools who can’t tie their own shoes. The same holds true for at least 75% of advertising where someone is the butt of the joke.
Now with IVF, single women have the option of a sperm donor to make children. But I still don’t get why the Black community has been hit so disproportionately hard, with the blessing and encouragement of Black politicians.
As a college professor, I let my students know that Planned Parenthood operates ~80% of their clinics in the inner city neighborhoods and challenge them to explain why this is so. I ask them if they see a connection between an abortion rate that’s three times the Black’s percentage in the population and this concentration of PP clinics. They too are horrified at this.
I think a big part of this problem is getting into the school-age population and pointing out who the true enemy is. And yes, as for the young men in the Black community, this behavior is directly tied to fathers who sire the children and then disappear before birth. BTW, yes you ARE exemplary in having had your daughter by your ex-husband, and for being a college educated woman who helps others for a living. Projecting the image of a strong, educated, responsible woman is a beacon of hope and inspiration to so many young girls.
Don’t worry about being called an Uncle Tom. I routinely get called a racist for suggesting that Black kids are no different than any other kids and can and should follow the same route to success. That means delay gratification and hard work in school. I stress, as a microbiologist, that delay gratification means no sex, the benefit of which is no sexually transmitted diseases and unplanned pregnancies. For this, I’m a racist!
Fine, then in this Alice In Wonderland world, so be it.
You’re doing great things, and are a walking parable to so many.
God Bless.