Quote of the Day 7-20-10
From CA Catholic Daily, July 20:
This is not what we worked for. This is not what we fought for. You and I, and millions of Planned Parenthood supporters, fought for a year to make sure that health care reform would provide comprehensive coverage to every woman, man, and child in America. We achieved some tremendous victories, including defeating the Stupak amendment that would have banned private insurance coverage of abortion for millions of women. Now, a Stupak-like rule is back – and it came from the Obama administration. Tell the Obama administration to reverse this decision and allow women to secure the coverage they need.
~Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, in a July 16 email to PP followers.
Abortion is the most common surgical procedure women receive. At a time when the country is on the cusp of implementing nationwide health-insurance coverage, it is unacceptable to treat abortion care differently in the new high-risk pools… This decision puts in place a 3-year restriction that is similar to the proposal from Rep. Bart Stupak that was rejected during the legislative debate on health reform.
~Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, in a July 15 prepared statement.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
So much for the lying slogan, ‘safe, legal, and rare.’ The ‘most common surgical procedure women recieve’? And still, not enough babies are dying and not enough women are injured to satisfy their bloodlust. ‘Abortion care’? ‘Tremendous victories’? ‘Millions of women’? Richards and Keenan will not be satisfied unless a coffin lid is placed on the whole human race. They want to turn our big blue marble into a floating tomb.
“Tell the Obama administration to reverse this decision and allow women to secure the coverage they need.”
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Or what, Cecille? You take back the millions PP threw at the Obama campaign to get him elected? Stop contributing to the Democrat’s Political fund?
I dare you…
Hee-Hee…good one, RSD! :)
so if I get raped by some guy when I’m leaving the grocery store and I end up with a growing embryo in my uterus, I’m supposed to just accept it and give birth to this unwanted baby that will be a constant reminder of being violated? I’m sure my comment will be unapproved but I get the feeling from reading this website that no one is taking into consideration the women who get raped or the women who do use contraception but it fails (which is 85% of abortion cases worldwide.) I’m married and I don’t want kids, does this mean I can’t have sexual intercourse with my husband? I don’t get it. Someone please explain it to me.
Well, I suppose you can kill the growing child in your womb and live with that knowledge for the rest of your life, K.
There are women who have been raped and kept their children and are VERY THANKFUL something so precious came out of something so horrifying!
Only 1% of abortions are for rape, btw, K.
No. You can never have sex with your husband again cause I said so. :P
So, if my mother was raped, what should the statute of limitations be on killing me? If she’s not over it in two years, can she kill me when I’m a toddler? Can she kill the rapist’s other children? No, then why am I different? Why do I deserve to die because my father committed a crime? I can’t believe I’m using a pro-choice argument, but heck, maybe Satan’s throwing snowballs.
If my mother had injuries in addition to being pregnant, how do we address those? If he broke her arm, should we amputate it so it doesn’t remind her of him while it heals?
The thing is, the only option that pro-choicers allow is death. No matter what the problem is, death is the only answer. Poor? Death. Frightened? Death. Need healing? Takes too long, so Death.
“live with that knowledge for the rest of your life” Is this a religious jab, carla? I don’t understand, so many studies show that most women who get abortions feel relief afterwards.
You didn’t answer my question about having sex with my husband, carla. What are people like me supposed to do? I love my husband, I want to express my love to him like married people do. What happens if our contraception fails, carla? I’m supposed to give birth to a child I didn’t want and pretend for the rest of my life that I’m okay with it?
and ninek, Choice means being able to make a CHOICE. If you want to have a baby, have a baby. If you get pregnant not on your own terms, you should be able to choose whether or not you carry the embryo to term. Preventing an embryo from forming into a fetus is not the only answer, it’s an option for people who want it. The rest of your response was a little whacky so I’m not going to address it.
My response was wacky? Children are being killed for all kinds of reasons and you think I’m the one who’s wacky?
K, let me explain biology to you: sexual intercourse is how humans make more humans. Sexual intercourse is how humans evolved, since we don’t lay eggs, nor do we grow on trees. Birth control is meant to bypass what the human body does naturally. If you don’t want a child, don’t have sex because sex may lead to pregnancy. Rape is rape, but the child still does not deserve to die because his or her father is a criminal. Children also don’t deserve to die because their mothers are poor, frightened, or upset. An embryo is what we call the stage of development that a human is at, very early in his or her life. Being very small is not a justifiable reason for killing someone. And K, an embryo IS someone. Are you new to the pro-life, pro-choice debate? Killing an embryo is not an ‘option’ it is in fact murder. Don’t call it choice, K. Call it what it really is.
k at July 20, 2010 4:24 PM said:
Is it okay to kill unwanted human beings?
Who gets to choose wanted-ness?
Who determines who lives or dies?
All abortion-choice arguments come down to “might makes right” or if you want the dry logical fallacy term – appeal to force.
If the little ones were able to fight back and kill their attackers, I’m sure it would be a different game.
What happens to the mother does not change the fundamental humanity of the child. If you stop to consider that our humanity rests on the biological presence of our unique flesh and blood, and that uniqueness occurs at conception – then that’s the point in your existence when you came to “be” as a human “being”.
Have your hubby get clipped – sterilized. Before you do – have a really, really intimate, no holds or secrets barred talk with your husband – everything out on the floor about life and children.
Most people don’t go there. Reversals (vaso-vastomies) don’t always work. Additionally – I’m looking into connections between vasectomies and auto-immunity problems like Crohn’s disease. Potential health risks should be thoroughly checked.
If you have the capacity for children, but don’t want them – understand you are living at the expense of others who do have children – you will never suffer the loss of a child in combat, but you also have not contributed anywhere near the mothers of those who serve to defend us. They deserve much greater honor than the deliberately childless.
There is much, much more to life.
Choose wisely.
Posted by: K at July 20, 2010 6:40 PM
Yes. I felt relief after my child died in my abortion. Then my life completely spiraled out of control.
Maybe, just maybe you and your husband could work out the details of your sex lives instead of posting on a prolife blog??!!
Please tell me where I gave you a religious jab. No that’s ok. You don’t have to.
I don’t take you seriously anyway.
Chris, we, as a loving couple and two separate human beings, mutually don’t ever want children. Thanks for your assumptions though, that was pretty neat to read. I’m sad to hear that our relationship will never be as awesome as a couple who do have kids, I guess I’ll just have to learn to live with a mediocre marriage because some guy on the internet said my life will not be complete without screaming, sticky, smelly children who might die in combat.
Carla, I was asking a simple question about what I’m supposed to do from a prolife point of view if I don’t want kids. Was I explaining our sex life in too detailed of a manner for you? It’s a question I’ve been pondering for a while and wanted some outside insight and what better way than anonymously.
Thanks for the replies everyone, have a nice life.
K,
I’ll be brave enough to answer your question (knowing you’ll probably not like my answer) directly.
Yes, the fact is that marriage is meant for the procreation of children. Married couples were never meant to be intentionally childless. Marriage is the foundation on which a family is supposed to be built. It’s not just a relationship for two for life.
Childlessness due to natural infertility is not the same thing, so don’t go there.
Purposely choosing to never have a child, but just selfishly enjoy the pleasure of sex is a misuse of the marital covenant and rather a slap in the face to God.
Does that help answer your question?
Leave the door in your heart open… you never know what miracles God may delight to give you if you will take them.
God bless you.
Personally, K, I don’t care if you and your husband never want to have kids. Fine with me. Just don’t conceive one and kill him/her.
As for “sticky, smelly children who might die in combat” – what do you think you were once? Also, yeah, nice way to describe a section of the human race. You might as well describe women as “creatures with bleeding uteruses and a lot of fat cells in their hips,” or old people as “mentally degenerating, wrinkly users of hospital space.”
Hello again, K.
I would think that two grown adults could figure out a way to PREVENT that which you do not want. Either you or your husband should have surgery and then enjoy all of the sex you want without the fear of “what will I do?”
I am unsure what other kind of advice you thought a bunch of prolifers would give you?
Women deserve better than abortion. It is not consequence-free, risk-free and the intent of an abortion is to kill a small, growing preborn human child. Every time.
Posted by: K at July 20, 2010 11:16 PM
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As I said – if you don’t have children – you can’t even imagine the bond. What you said validates my assertion.
And yes – your marriage is less. Absolutely.
Simple test – if everyone’s marriage was like yours, society would cease to exist for lack of children. Why bother getting married? There would be no substantial reason.
Marriage is much more than committed affection.
Don’t let this bother you – but when you’re old and lonely in the nursing home, it might.
BTW – next time you pass a cemetery and see the flags on the graves of fallen soldiers – remember a couple paid a much higher price for our country than you ever will – unless you’re serving and then it’s your parents who paid by raising you.
The guys who fear becoming fathers don’t understand that fathering is not something perfect men do, but something that perfects the man. The end product of child raising is not the child but the parent. ~Frank Pittman, Man Enough
Carla, many of us felt relief…until the tranquilizer wore off. I’m so glad to have found other pro-life people on the internet. It gives me hope.
I’ll take “sticky, smelly children who might die in combat” over one that died by my choosing anyday…
I have 3 of those “sticky, smelly children” (ages 2-13-14) and they’re also noisy with laughter and petty arguements, eat like an army, slobber you with kisses and hugs everyday…
And, surprisingly..it’s a joy for me to have them.
And when they grow up and have their own families..I will look forward to more “sticky, smelly Grand-children” and smile.
ninek,
My relief lasted around 2 days. You are so not alone, my friend!!