Rev. Jerry Falwell RIP
Upon learning a few hours ago that Rev. Jerry Falwell passed away today, I was reminded of my encounter with him and what a strong defender of life he was.
Rev. Falwell asked to interview me for his t.v. show, Listen America, in June 2001 about my experiences with live birth abortion at Christ Hospital.
Little known is that my appearance on his show was listed as one of the reasons for my termination a few months later. Falwell did not coat the truth. He posted photos I took of Christ Hospital’s infamous Comfort Room, which angered my management…. :) (Photos can be seen by following this link.)
Dr. Falwell is home now, hallelujah. He leaves quite a legacy, most signficantly, Liberty University.
May.15, 2007 3:34 pm |
Apologetics |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
AAAWWW, so very sorry to hear this news. God bless this dear man.
Jill, you look so pretty!
I am sick to death over what was done to these poor souls! Jill, thank you for exposing this sickening hospital. I wonder how many other hospitals do the same. Would they ever tell us the truth if they did? Oh, I am heart sick!
Thank you, Ma’am.
I think many, many hospitals are involved in live birth abortions. But HHS doesn’t want to spend the $ to find out.
If more Christians took their faith as seriously sa Jerry Falwell and Jill, legal abortion would be a memory, prayer would be allowed in schools, and our country would have God’s continued protection over it.
To Mr. Fawell’s family: A good man leaves a legacy to his children’s children and that Mr. Falwell did. My condolences for your great loss.
Now the question is who will take up the mantle?
God help us, please.
Having perused the photos to which you linked, I must point out how ironic it is that the crux of the pro-choice movement–the institution that performs the abortion–has labeled a pad on a scale with “Remains of Baby.” If “baby” is so emotionally connotative that abortive mothers must not hear the word, why would their freshly killed child be so termed by the people who just ripped her apart?
That’s one of a million truths they let slip out in the midst of lying, Samantha.
To just think of a naked child lying alone in the dark makes me want to vomit. The tears roll as I wonder; Why is this world so evil? God help us all!
SamanthaT:
What an insight. Brilliant!
Samantha T. Ditto!
Yes, thanks to Falwell we all know that gays, feminists and abortion providers were responsible for 911 and Hurricane Katrina. Now that he’s gone, I’m sure that Tinky-Winky – the GAY Teletubby – will be our next president.
Laura, what an awful thing to say.
Laura, not that I expect respect for the dead from many of the pro-aborts on this site, but I do expect to back up inflammatory trash talk with proof. Got any?
Jill, I’m so very sorry.
Samantha, I was looking at that too, and was thinking about how Less said that the medical community wouldn’t respect words like “baby” and “fetus”. Great point you made.
Laura, you sound like a troll, on this topic and the one about Janet. I am adding you to my mental “Cameron/SOMG” list.
There’s no law that says a kid can’t pray in school.
And I have great respect for the dead, as many more of my so-called “pro abort” breathren undoubtedly also do.
Laura!
YOMANK
Jill!
YOMANK… which does she need to provide support for; what Falwell did indeed say, or what will become of us in his absence.
I am a pro-choice (not pro-abort) and I have respect for the dead. But I dont think praying in school is a good idea (and yes I remember praying in school before anyone says that I dont remember).
Tinky-Winky Falwell quotes:
http://www.ishipress.com/teletubb.htm
Falwell quotes:
This is probably as bad a day as the court has had on social issues since “Roe v Wade.”
— Rev Jerry Falwell, reacting to the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Texas sodomy case, “Lawrence v. Texas,” wherein the high court upheld an individual’s (or a couple’s) right to privacy; “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter,” said Justice Anthony M Kennedy, for the majority in an opinion “as broad in its constitutional vision as any ever issued by the court,” wrote Charles Lane for The Washington Post; in his dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia, an extremist Evangelical Christian, complained that the justices voting to uphold the right to privacy were creating a new constitutional right, that they were not upholding the Constitution, quoted from “Planned Parenthood Federal Action Report” (July, 2003)
I don’t believe that there should be collective prayer in schools, because of many different beliefs and non beliefs that people hold. But if someone wants to say a quick silent prayer before lunch or before they take a test, that’s completely fine, and theres no way that anyone could police those sorts of things. But requiring someone to do so is not right.
JK: I agree, if someone wants to say a prayer before lunch, go ahead it wont bother me any. I had people in my highschool pray. They’d meet before school started (@the flag pole) and pray. They prayed at lunch, before assemblies etc. I never had a problem with that. I do remember in kindergarden being *required* to sing the “Johnny Apple Seed Song” before lunch. You didnt sing it, no lunch for you. That’s when I have a problem.
How about muslim kids… should they be allowed to break from classes and go do their prayers every hour… or whatever it is.
There were prayer groups like that at my high school also, and we had Fellowship of Christian Athletes that would have meetings before school once a month.
Singing the Johnny Appleseed song or no lunch? That’s harsh for a little kid ;-)
Hey ya’ll.
Wow, Midnite, really? The Johnny Apple Seed Song? I can’t even think of the melody to that right now.
Also, what does “yomank” mean??
There weren’t any Muslims at my high school, so I have no idea. But there are some Muslims who are not as gung ho about praying at an exact time.
YOMANK: You Owe Me A New Keyboard
I just found that out recently myself :-)
Ahhh, thanks JK! I would have never figured that one out.
JK,
Doesn’t matter because at the rate things are going all you non-Christian ladies will be wearing head scarves and praying on your knees toward Mecca at the point of a sword cuz there won’t be any Chritians around to protect you, they’ll be gone, taken away in the Rapture.
Ummm…who said I wasn’t a Christian? Certainly not me. I’ve been going to church since I was born.
JK,
You agree that God taken out of schools was a right thing to do?
You are pro-abortion?
You are pro-homosexual?
I don’t believe in forcing religion on anyone who doesn’t desire it.
I believe that a woman’s uterus is her own business.
I believe that gay people shouldn’t be treated like crap because of who they are.
Jerry Falwell,
RIP, he spoke the truth
“Doesn’t matter because at the rate things are going all you non-Christian ladies will be wearing head scarves and praying on your knees toward Mecca at the point of a sword cuz there won’t be any Chritians around to protect you, they’ll be gone, taken away in the Rapture.”
What is this all about?
Sometimes, His Man, I get the feeling that you would like to be the one pointing a sword at people’s heads and forcing them to pray to God if you had the chance.
“prayer would be allowed in schools”
Prayer is allowed in schools, His Man. I remember Christian groups in my schools would get together before school started and have a morning prayer. It’s just not allowed in the classroom, enforced by a teacher (as in, a teacher leading a class prayer).
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I’d never seen that picture of Herr Falwell. Who’s the dude next to him?
I am very rarely a person to speak ill of the dead, but I have no sympathy for that awful awful man. He was an incredibly hateful person and I won’t think any better of him in death than in life. I suppose next, Jill, you’ll be exalting Rev. Phelps and the WBC?
Troll,troll,everywhere a troll. lalalalala!!
Erin,
You’re the hateful one, not Revered Falwell.
jasper,were you the one that posted all of those comments from the pro choice site about the pope?I couldn’t remember.
Jasper,
Was that typo intended? Revered Falwell.
jasper, If it was you, I wanted to share something with you about a similar site I had found.
Yes Heather, that was me. Sorry MK, my spelling is not good (Revered too, yes).
Heather, here what open-mined, tolerant people had to say about Rev. Falwell
http://pandagon.net/2007/05/15/the-gates-of-hell-swing-open-and-satan-welcomes-his-beloved-son/
UGH, jasper, You should have seen the site about Mother Theresa. It was unreal! I thought, this has got to be some sort of a sick joke. It wasn’t. I think “Let the wretched old hag rot in hell.” was the “kindest” remark on the entire site. jasper, I was just sick over this! Who could talk this way and be so evil?
jasper,I’ll just bet that you or I could NEVER get a comment on that site you just posted!
I didn
Heather,
I’ve been on that blog before, they usually ban me after a couple comments because they can’t handle the truth. Unlike Jill who lets Cameron stay if he behaves. They really don’t care about serious debate, they just like hear themselves spout dirty nasty things.
Yes, Mother Theresa, after all see did her amazing life ( she was rich and gave up everything to serve the poor). But she was pro-life, so they demonize her. Their quite disgraceful, these people. They have hundreds of blogs out there and all they do is traffic in hate. And most of them really do hate this country as well, they’re Marxist to the core. I posted some abortion photo’s and they started laughing! I ask myself -where did these people come from.
oh yea, Heather, how’s your little baby doing? do you have a boy or a girl?
How am I more hateful than that man? He claimed that our society shouldn’t tolerate cultural or religious differences, and I haven’t heard any single person on here dispute that those quotes, which were posted, were indeed from Falwell’s mouth.
“AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah’s chariotters.”
“The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
This is where people get the support for hate crimes. This is the kind of preaching, that on the side of Islam, causes terrorism. Any form of religious extremism is dangerous- why is it hateful for me to realize that since the beginning of time, the very basis of civilization has been compromise, and people who are completely unwilling to recognize the need for harmony are detrimental to our society?
And by they by, we were not a nation born of Christianity. Have you seen some of the quotes by our founding fathers? Many of them were theistic at best.
One of the first principles our country was founded on was toleration- and it frustrates me to see people so fervently trying to annihilate that ideal.
Erin said “I have no sympathy for that awful awful man”
There is no hate in what Rev.Falwell said, he’s reached out to gay people. But, he was against homosexual acts, not the homosexual.
Please don’t compare Rev. Falwell with Islamic terroist who are murdering people on a daily basis.
“And by they by, we were not a nation born of Christianity”
another Lie
Yea, the Pilgrams and Puritans:
Pilgrims is the name commonly applied to early settlers of the Plymouth Colony in present-day Massachusetts. Their leadership came from a religious congregation who had fled a volatile political environment in the East Midlands of England for the relative calm of Holland in the Netherlands. Concerned with losing their cultural identity, the group later arranged with English investors to establish a new colony in North America
A man has died and some of you are rejoicing. This is so sad. It just makes me sick how all the vultures come out when someone dies.
I didn’t agree with many things Reverend Falwell stood for, but I have the decency to wait for people who DID like or love him to properly grieve.
How many times have a heard from the very people that are ridiculling Falwell that we shouldn’t judge someone just because of what they believe or what they have done?
Hypocrisy anyone?
Here are some quotes from our founding fathers, jasper dear.
Valerie, I am not rejoicing in his death. I am simply not keeping my mouth closed about the fact that I will not miss him at all. I don’t think I should be shallow and change my opinion of someone just because they are dead. I won’t miss Phelps when he dies either. I’m sure there were many people rejoicing when Saddam Hussein was executed.
“and from the start of Christianity as a large religion, there have been the Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts. Compared to the history of Islam- where a massive amount of our modern day science and technology was born, actually- they have been much more peaceful than Christians.”
Erin, how did the crusades start? by islamists burning down christians churches in the middle east, if it weren’t for the crusades (Europe would’ve been islamic) and you would’ve been neeling on prayer rugs, not able to go to school and getting stoned for not using a head cover.
and all the names you’ve mentioned aboved came to believe in a Christian God before they died.
And in recent news, Phelps is apparently picketing Falwell’s funeral. That seems incredibly funny to me.
Jasper, prove any of what you just said. I’m a medieval history major. That is NOT how the Crusades started. Are you honestly saying you support the Crusades?
“:Compared to the history of Islam- where a massive amount of our modern day science and technology was born”:
No, it came from europeans and americans…
“:actually- they have been much more peaceful than Christians.”
well good, then you won’t mind moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia, do you plan on visting?
The Muslims in Spain were the most advanced civilization of the world until about 1500. Prove otherwise. And actually, I do plan on visiting Eqypt and Greece within a few years. If you tell me that there’s some fascinating archaeological reason for me to visit Iran or Saudi Arabia, then I’d have no problem going there.
“That is NOT how the Crusades started”
Bull*** it didn’t.
who the hell are you to look back and judge what happened. Like I said, if it didn’t, you would be wearing a full-cover bedsheet.
The gall !!!
“:The Muslims in Spain were the most advanced civilization of the world until about 1500”
I’m talking about recent advances, last 200-300 years.
Erin:
Two quotes from John Adams:
“[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.”
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)
“[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
Thomas Jefferson:
“We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
President George Washington, September 17th, 1796
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible”
His Prayer At Valley Forge “Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee.”
“Bless O Lord the whole race of mankind, and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy Son, Jesus. “Of all dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.”
“To the distinguished character of a Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of a Christian.”
Patrick Henry
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations.”
Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787
“I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth — that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?
President Thomas Jefferson
“The reason that Christianity is the best friend of Government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.”
James Madison
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments.” David Barton’s book The Myth of Separation
“A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
– Benjamin Franklin
“It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in [the Constitution] a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution.”
– James Madison, Father of the Constitution.
“The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities impressed with it.”
–James Madison
Are you in college yet jasper? If so, what is/was your major? Please don’t take me to be accusing or anything, I just don’t know how old you are or anything.
I look back and judge what happened because I’m a historian and THAT’S MY JOB. I realize that it is very difficult to look back on something objectively. But I have no allegience to either Islam or Christianity, and I can tell from my readings that the initial aggressors were the Europeans- it was an attempt to secure more capital for the Vatican, which was having a really hard time because a few of the Popes before Urban had been pretty nuts and very very apt at throwing money down the drain.
Jasper- without their acheievements in the scientific method and navigation, we would be nowhere remotely near as advanced as we are today.
Erin,
I’m 39 years old, I was in college and the military over 20 years ago, from 86′ t 90′. My major was electronic technology.
I’ve done some reading about the History of the church. You, as a history professor should be careful on Judging the crusades. Don’t leave out the part about the Chritians churches being burned to ground. (which started the crusades).
we’ll see how long you last in Saudia-Arabia.
I appreciate your service to the country.
I’m not a professor yet- still have some grad school to get through.
And I’m a pretty tough chick, I think I’ll be OK.
Erin,
If it wasn’t for the crusades, what religon would Europe and the U.S today be today?
Islamic … by force.
The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:
Thomas Jefferson:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short
Jefferson again:
Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
More Jefferson:
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson’s word for the Bible?
Dunghill.
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Also Adams:
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Here’s Thomas Paine:
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).
Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).
It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and you will have sins in abundance.
The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
Finally let’s hear from James Madison:
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God’s authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they
Erin –
“Valerie, I am not rejoicing in his death. I am simply not keeping my mouth closed about the fact that I will not miss him at all. I don’t think I should be shallow and change my opinion of someone just because they are dead. I won’t miss Phelps when he dies either. I’m sure there were many people rejoicing when Saddam Hussein was executed.”
When Saddam Hussein was executed I went to the Mass that was intended for him. To pray for God to have mercy on his soul. That is what Catholics do. I did the same for Timothy McVey who was executed in my home state. And I will continue to do it for every other person that I hear has died. I do keep my mouth closed to allow family and friends of the deceased to properly mourn. I am not saying I keep my mouth closed forever, I am saying that I am respectful to those who loved him. The family of this man loved him and they deserve some time to grieve without all the vultures coming out to demean them. No one is asking for you to change your opinion. I am asking you to show respect. There is a huge difference. But apparently the idea of respect is foreign to you.
“Doesn’t matter because at the rate things are going all you non-Christian ladies will be wearing head scarves and praying on your knees toward Mecca at the point of a sword cuz there won’t be any Chritians around to protect you, they’ll be gone, taken away in the Rapture.”
@His Man: Why do you have such a problem with Muslims? You do realize that NOT all Muslims are like the extremists, right? Honestly, it disturbs me to no end when I see this type of xenophobia.
His Man, when you are taken away by the Rapture, can I have your car? (reference to a bumpersticker +10 to anybody who knows it)
Thank-god that 90% christian men/woman in the military are defending Laura’s freedon to spout her non-sense.
Gee, Jasper, the Veterans Administration recognizes 38 different faiths. You’d be amazed:
MADISON, Wisconsin (AP) — The Wiccan pentacle has been added to the list of emblems allowed in national cemeteries and on government-issued headstones of fallen soldiers, according to a settlement announced Monday.
A settlement between the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and Wiccans adds the five-pointed star to the list of “emblems of belief” allowed on VA grave markers.
Eleven families nationwide are waiting for grave markers with the pentacle, said Selena Fox, a Wiccan high priestess with Circle Sanctuary in Barneveld, Wisconsin, a plaintiff in the lawsuit.
The settlement calls for the pentacle, whose five points represent earth, air, fire, water and spirit, to be placed on grave markers within 14 days for those who have pending requests with the VA. (Watch what the headstones might look like )
“I am glad this has ended in success in time to get markers for Memorial Day,” Fox said.
The VA sought the settlement in the interest of the families involved and to save taxpayers the expense of further litigation, VA spokesman Matt Burns said. The agency also agreed to pay $225,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs.
The pentacle has been added to 38 symbols the VA already permits on gravestones. They include commonly recognized symbols for Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Judaism, as well as those for smaller religions such as Sufism Reoriented, Eckankar and the Japanese faith Seicho-No-Ie.
“This settlement has forced the Bush Administration into acknowledging that there are no second class religions in America, including among our nation’s veterans,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which represented the Wiccans in the lawsuit.
The American Civil Liberties Union said the agreement also settles a similar lawsuit it filed last year against the VA. In that case, the ACLU represented two other Wiccan churches and three individuals.
VA-issued headstones, markers and plaques can be used in any cemetery, whether it is a national one such as Arlington or a private burial ground like that on Circle Sanctuary’s property.
Wicca is a nature-based religion based on respect for the earth, nature and the cycle of the seasons. Variations of the pentacle not accepted by Wiccans have been used in horror movies as a sign of the devil.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
I’m sorry for his family, as the death of someone close can be difficult to bear, but I have no sympathy for this man. I disagree with everything he stood for, and unlike other Christian leaders, he insisted upon spewing his hate in the most virulent way possible. I have no respect for someone who advocated hatred against others.
Again, I feel the utmost sympathy for his family, as death is never an easy thing.
Regarding the crusades, jasper:
In March 1095 at the Council of Piacenza, ambassadors sent by Byzantine emperor Alexius I called for help with defending his empire against the Seljuk Turks. Later that year, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, promising those who died in the endeavor immediate remission of their sins[9]. Crusader armies managed to defeat two substantial Turkish forces at Dorylaeum and at Antioch, finally marching to Jerusalem with only a fraction of their original forces. In 1099, they took Jerusalem by assault and massacred the population.
From wikipedia. Great for getting the basic idea for something, and I can give you the links to everything cited as well. Read the bolded part, please: does that sound particularly Christian to you?
As for Europe being Muslim by force, I’d say that the various forced conversions that the Christians have embarked upon aren’t any better:
Forced Conversion of the Jews
During the colonial period, Native Americans were subjected to forced conversion, as well as Africans, Indians…the list goes on. It might not be happening now, but Christianity’s hands are not as clean of blood as you would like to think.
Very well stated, Less.
Posted by: Laura at May 15, 2007 10:13 PM
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
The invention of the first successful automobile is attributed to Karl Benz in Germany in 1895. John Adams was born on October 30, 1735, and died on July 4, 1826.
The AP appears to be somewhat less than reliable.
As well as being attributed to how many people or things one can fit into an automobile, the word carload can also refer to the quantity of goods that can be carried in a railroad freight car. (According to the Oxford English Dictionary)
Laura, what I think that you do not understand, is that there were two forms of Christianity in that point of history. There was the Biblical Christianity, the faith in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ from the Bible, and then there was the corrupt Christian church’s religion, which they were trying to get away from, because they were being forced into it, and were being persecuted by. They were forced to flee this “Christianity”, THUS, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
You’re very observant, Samantha, I didn’t even notice that.
jasper, I am so sorry. Every time you ask me about the baby, I log off right before seeing your post. The baby is great, and it’s a girl.
And I’ll concede that Jefferson was a diest who himself did not believe in the divinity of Christ However, he did not oppose others believing in the divinity of Christ at all, and he did not think them to be crazy (he was quoted to say that “some of the wisest men believe in the reality of these inspirations” (Works, Vol. iv, p. 327)) …he did not want to prohibit them from having the freedom to their religion.
jasper, I also wanted to say that it’s scary that we have people like this wandering around in society. Please excuse me for repeating this but they were calling Reverend Falwell “worm food.” How could you disgrace someone in death? Even when I knew people that died that were not “favorites” of mine, I never ranted about being glad that they were gone. Also, I saw what a lot of them had to say about abortion. This I cannot repeat. It was enough to make you vomit! I am dead serious!
I would never speak so unkindly about the dead until at least they had been given the chance to be mourned. Even if Dr. Tiller died, as much as I would be thankful that the babies were not being killed by him anymore, I would be sad that he had left this world without a Saviour, and I would let him be mourned by his followers….I wouldn’t go around saying, “Yeehaw, the baby killer is dead!”.
Bethany, that’s true! I’ll bet you that if an abortionist passed away, they would all be speaking about what a great man he was. I could just hear it now. Thank you Dr. Tiller for helping women that had that difficult CHOICE to make in their lifetimes. Thank God. The man was a saint. He stood for choice and for women. Blah, blah, blah.
Since when are these sleaze bag abortionists “good men”? They are baby killers!
I know, Heather…crazy!
Okay, as for the quotes about no religion….
From this link:
“1.)
In 1931, in the case of United States v. Macintosh, 283 U.S. 605 the court said,
Laura dear,
Here are some quotes from our founding fathers, jasper dear.
Bethany:
Laura dear,
Just wanted to let you know that George Washington was not the author of any of these quotes that you attributed to him. Thomas Jefferson was.
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Uh, Genius-
I didn’t post any quotes from George Washington.
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Care to give me a reference for where you can find the document containing this quote? I looked and cannot find it anywhere, except for athiestic sites, saying it came from John Adams but not listing where.
Yes, you attributed them to him in this paragraph which I just quoted you as saying above;
Here are some quotes from our founding fathers, jasper dear.
And you’re right, not a single one was uttered from George Washington’s mouth.
OKay I apologize…it was Erin who wrote that. You two I don’t know very well and I got you mixed up. So my statement is directed at her then.
Laura dear,
jasper dear.
I’m glad to see we are all getting along….
Christopher Hitchens said it best:
HITCHENS: The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing, that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called reverend.
Who would, even at your network, have invited on such a little toad to tell us that the attacks of September the 11th were the result of our sinfulness and were God’s punishment if they hadn’t got some kind of clerical qualification?
People like that should be out in the street, shouting and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup.
He also said, it’s a pity there’s no hell for Falwell to go to.
SoMG: I won’t defend Falwell’s extraordinary remarks, but I’ll note that his theory of 9/11’s moral cause is certainly no more insane than that of the truthers out there in la-la land. Yet the latter are, of late, gaining a head of steam.
The growing credence lent the tinfoil hat brigade of late is enough to make one nostalgic for flouridation hysteria. ;-)
@Rasqual: Gotta keep my bodily fluids pure. :)
Rae, our precious essences must not be adulterated!
So, rasquel, you believe that women wearing pants and homosexuals made the twin towers come down? God killed all of those people because of that? How loving that is!
@Less: I love that movie so much… I think I’mma gonna rent it this weekend now. :)
Rae, I did an entire class on it last semester: we studied it from the perspective of a Gothic movie and the cultural fears it shows. It was amazing!
Oh my fritz, really? That is so not fair…my school doesn’t have fun classes like that. :-p
Who is your favorite character in the movie? I’m partial to Dr. Strangelove himself and George C. Scott’s character (though his name escapes me as it’s been about a year since I saw the flim).
I’m fond of the president, myself. He’s so stressed…whenever I see that movie I want to give him a Xantac and a hug.
Less:
“So, rasquel, you believe that women wearing pants and homosexuals made the twin towers come down? God killed all of those people because of that? How loving that is!”
Less, in all honesty — are you stupid? Where on EARTH do you draw that kind of inference about what I think?