World mag cover story
The cover story of the March 22 issue of World magazine is on what the ’08 presidential campaign “reveal[s] about American culture,” with mention of me as I relate to Barack Obama.
Regarding “hope” and “change”, editor-in-chief Marvin Olasky wrote:
Some Americans are chanting political mantras this year, but past elections suggest that most at some point will come to reality-based conclusions.
One of those realities will be finally unpacking Barack Obama, whom I’ve seen in recent days….
There’s the Rezko corruption connection, which calls Obama’s character into question. Then there are his beliefs, which MSM has heretofore covered up, again quoting Olasky:
Journalists wrote and spoke the most about Mike Huckabee’s beliefs: A Lexis-Nexis search shows “Huckabee” and “religious right” appearing 893 times during the three months before the TX and OH primaries. Religious liberal Obama, though, typically avoided such characterization: His name and “religious left” appeared together only 28 times during that period.
That Obama is a liberal’s liberal is indisputable.
And after months of conservative pounding, the message is finally resonating. Even Obama cheerleader Andrew Sullivan had to note 2 days ago, after posting a reader’s email about Obama’s support of infanticide:
I find Obama’s absolutist position on abortion out of sync with his usual temperateness.
Yes, abortion, a relevant topic despite MSM’s constant drivel that it is not. This is where my name got mentioned in the World piece:
If the race is McCain vs. Obama, the older senator will need to pop the younger’s halo of humaneness. One way is to listen to Jill Stanek, the whistle-blowing nurse who saw close-up at an IL Senate committee hearing Obama’s opposition to protecting even babies born alive after failed abortions: “Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me.”
Is McCain up to criticizing Obama (or Clinton) on abortion? Perhaps not, but GOP honchos should talk with Clarise McFarlen, a 16-year-old from Wichita, KS, who – like Obama – is of a mixed racial background. At first excited to hear of Obama’s candidacy, Clarise changed her mind when she learned of his position on partial-birth abortion: “My heart just stopped. If you support killing babies, there’s no way you can have true compassion.”
Obama has no qualms if a baby’s heart stops. But if a voter’s heart stops at the mention of his name? That’s a problem.
[HT on Sullivan quote: reader Jordan]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Go Jill! Obama is a total hypocrite – cases in point – his pastor and his position on abortion! I just hope the republicans have the will to point it out and the MSM to cover it!
S.
Your bias against Obama could’nt be more
obvious.You are automatically assuming that
Obama is guilty in the Rezko affair,and that
it automatically proves a lack of
character.And what makes you think that all
the republican politicians are such paragons
of virtue? Plenty of them have been involved
in scandals just as disgraceful as the
Democrats,if not even more so.What hypocrisy
on the part of social conservatives to be calling for Spitzer’s blood! It’s the pot calling the
kettle black.Just because Obama believes in a
woman’s right to choose is no reason to
demonize him.
“And what makes you think that all
the republican politicians are such paragons
of virtue? Plenty of them have been involved
in scandals just as disgraceful as the
Democrats,if not even more so.”
Maybe so, Robert, but Obama is running on a platform of “change” and not the same old same old. What???? You mean after only 2 years in the Senate, he was already up to the same old same old??? Wow – imagine what he’ll be up to after 25 years! Like I said, a hypocrite.
In any event, it’s not just his involvement with super sleazy, and in some cases, anti-American (J. Wright, Ayers and Dohrn) and criminal (Ayers) people in his political career. It’s also – and mainly – that he is dead-wrong in his stand on almost all of the issues (including but not limited to abortion). Plus, can you please explain how opposing a bill that would provide for medical care of a baby *after it is forcibly removed from a woman’s body* has anything to do with a woman’s “right to choose”? At that point, she’s already made her choice, and the baby is no longer dependent upon her body for survival. At that point, it is a living breathing person who, even by pc’ers’ standards, should be accorded constitutional rights. In truth, it seems that Obama’s stance on that issue had nothing to do with a “woman’s right to choose” and everything to do with maintaining political support among the most hard-core of leftists.
Ick.
S.
“Just because Obama believes in a
woman’s right to choose is no reason to
demonize him.”
The right to choose “what”, Robert?
Robert, you are right. A fairly lame attempt to demonize Obama.
Nobody wants Obama. He sucks.
Just because Obama believes in a
woman’s right to choose is no reason to
demonize him.
I’m sure there are better reasons to demonize people…but I can’t think of any.
Bethany,
I know we are winding up our theology thread, but I want you to know I did reply to the melchizidek question…
“I’m sure there are better reasons to demonize people…but I can’t think of any.”
Torturing 6 years olds for fun and because they have the mental capacity to be aware that they are being tortured. That’s about all I can come up with…
mk, lol!
For the record…
Yes we can!!!
LOL. This just in (via Pharyngula):
“I complained before that Florida lawmakers were being treated to creationist propaganda at a facility of Florida State University. Perhaps I should have had more confidence in the people of Florida. The movie was shown, and
“Nobody wants Obama. He sucks.”
Heather, you might not want him, but you must admit it’s not true to say nobody does. He’s received millions and millions of votes and dollars.
Your statement would be like me saying, “no one wants to ban abortion. It’s great.”
Obama’s reverend for 20 years (married Obama and his wife), listen to this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6144831860496532000&q=Jeremiah+Wright&total=142&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Jasper, I don’t have any quarrel with anything Pastor Wright said in that particular video. As I rich white male, I found it pretty powerful.
I have heard other things he has said that I don’t agree with, but this clip is right on.
really Hal, do you believe we deserved the attack on 9/11? Do you believe in God-damn America?
Obama has been with this pastor for 20 years, he’s part of his campaign. Obama is slick, he preaches tolerance and cooperation, hope, etc but he was the opposite in the senate, he never reached across the aile. He’s lucky he has the liberal MSM covering for him….but he will be exposed soon enough…
“really Hal, do you believe we deserved the attack on 9/11? Do you believe in God-damn America?”
No, those are statements I don’t agree with. They weren’t on the video you posted.
and, yes, Jasper, he did reach across the aisle in the Senate. And even more so in the Illinois Senate.
I sometimes get worried with how much praise he gets from Republicans.
Hal,
Tell me, if a presidential candidate belonged to a “white centered” church who’s pastor issued an award to a prominent klansman, would you vote for him? Or would you just accept his argument that even though he’s been a member of this church for 20 years and has donated approx. $23,000, he doesn’t agree with everything this pastor says. You know, kind of like that embarassing uncle we all have.
Also, wouldn’t you agree that the pastor expounding on politics and promoting a certain candidate should have a visit from the IRS and generate some outrage from the ACLU? Is it my imagination or are the seperation of church and state police asleep at the wheel on this one?
MK: I’m sure there are better reasons to demonize people…but I can’t think of any.
Driving slow in the fast lane.
Never buying a round of drinks.
Never buying, and then driving slow in the fast lane.
Mary, I don’t think Pastor Wright is above criticism. I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to ask Obama about his church and its leader. I’d prefer a President who didn’t go to chuch, so I’m not the best person to judge this controversy. I know McCain has some problem with a minister who supports him (although not his own, so maybe it’s different)
I like Obama, I like his ideas, temperment and positions. I’m open to the possibility that there will be things I don’t like about him. I’d then have to weight the pros and cons. I’ve yet to meet a person who I agree with on everything.
Hal,
I’m sorry but you didn’t answer my question. Is this the kind of man you would elect as president? I know I wouldn’t.
Besides the child-killing cartel, both the U.S. Communist Party and super-racist demagogue Louis Farrakan really, really want Obama to win. Any one of those should be reason enough for any decent, humane person to oppose him but all 3…there’s no excuse, and little hope for America if he wins.
Mary, I guess my answer is “it depends.” I’d have to know more, but that would certainly be a major negative.
Hal,
Thank you for your answer. Now I have to ask, is this a major negative for you where Obama is concerned?
Mary: no, but it’s a negative. I don’t see what his Pastor did as being quite the same level as your example, but it is in that direction.
Again, it’s hard for me to judge the merits and demerits of any congregation. I’m certainly inexperienced on the relatioship between pastor and church member.
I could vote for McCain, despite the endorsement of the anti-Catholic minister.
Obama has never said anything I recoil against. I trust his values and honesty. I have confidence in his goodness.
Here’s Andrew Sullivan’s take on it:
All I can say is that very, very few public figures have been so candid about why and how they found the message of Jesus so compelling, or have explained their faith journey so pellucidly (certainly not our spiritually inarticulate current president). The appeal of that church to Obama was not anger or racism or the ugliness in some of Jeremiah Wright’s tub-thumping. What Obama discovered – as a previous atheist – was the spiritual power of Christian hope.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/what-obama-saw.html
Hal,
His pastor issued an award of some kind to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has referred to Judaism as a “gutter religion” and has made equally disparaging comments about whites. I consider him an equal to a Klansman, as racism and anti-semitism are equally vile, no matter who’s mouth they’re coming from.
Hal, you have a far more charitable nature than I have. I would have no problem at all judging the merits or demerits of a congregation headed by a pastor who issues an award to a racist anti-semitic and who curses his country and uses God’s name in vain, in the presence of children, in his sermons.
Hal, you don’t recoil against anything he says because he doesn’t say anything! The man is charasmatic and a brilliant speaker. Hope and change? That means what?
Hal, that quote from Andrew Sullivan sounds like someone in a messianic trance, which I suspect to be true of many of Obama’s followers.
Hey, Sullivan’s a Catholic conservative. He likes Obama. I’m an athiest liberal, I like Obama. I’m not in a trance, I doubt Sullivan is either.
Personally, I believe all Christians are in some type of “messianic trance” but I have to get over that.
If we are to disqualify canidates based on the crazy ideas of their religous leaders, there isn’t any place for someone like me to turn. Maybe I don’t take the Pastor’s statements too seriously because I can’t take any Pastor’s statements seriously.
I’ll keep following the issue and keep an open mind the possibility that Obama is somehow unqualified because of this. I don’t feel that way at this point.
Hal,
I’m aware of who Sullivan is. It makes no difference to me. I never suggested you were in a trance Hal. Sullivan’s comments reminded me of the movie about Jonestown where Jim Jones’ dewy eyed followers preferred to be oblivious to their leader’s failings and only too ready to excuse them. Then when I see these people at is rallies fainting and others going ballistic when Obama pauses to blow his nose, you have to seriously wonder about messianic trances.
Its not the “crazy” ideas of preachers that concern me Hal, you know I never debate religion and won’t start now. Let’s put religion aside. Would you belong to a club or organization headed by someone like this, who honors a racist anti semitic? Who spews hatred at your country. Who spews profanities in front of your wife and children? Didn’t Obama have an issue with any of this?
You acknowledged in a previous post that membership in a church like this would be a “major negative” were it someone other than Obama. Why not Obama?
I said someone going to a “white centered” church which honored David Duke would be a major negative. I said someone (Obama or anyone else) in Wright’s church would simply be a “negative.” And it is.
Hal,
What the difference? Wright honored Louis Farrakhan and referred to his church as black centered.
seems like you are looking to find a controversy. McCain’s friend said something stupid like the Catholic church is whore-like (I don’t remember the exact quote). McCain is still qualified to be president. Look at the crazy things Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have said, and they supported Bush. (9/11 was God punishing the US because we tolerate gays?) Religious leaders say crazy, racist, homophobic, intolerant things all the time. If it doesn’t come from candidate, I won’t get too worked up over it.
Hal,
Please. What’s the difference?
Obama’s infanticide problem doesn’t even register on the radar screen for our liberals. They’re so hot for the goodies that Obama promises to give them (without a means to do so) that his public defense of the practice of infanticide, in his home state, pales to invisibility.
Thanks to Jill for reviewing the connection of Obama’s church with Christ hospital, where the infanticides are known to have occurred.
exactly KB.
They paid to have people attend for free, and they still couldn’t get a decent crowd.”
PIP,
It’s because those who believe in Creationism don’t have itching ears….
“They’re so hot for the goodies that Obama promises to give them (without a means to do so) that his public defense of the practice of infanticide, in his home state, pales to invisibility.”
I’m not looking for any goodies. In fact, I’ll probably pay more taxes if Obama wins. But if I get a more competent and rational Executive Branch and foreign policy, I’ll be very very happy.
As far as “infantcide,” that doesn’t even register on my radar of issues. The next President isn’t going to be murdering any newborns.
Does anybody see racism in the fact that 90% of the blacks in the South are viting for Obama?
Hal,
You may not be looking for goodies but plenty of other people are. Your taxes will be raised to provided them with such. Personally I’d rather keep my own money, donate it to competent effective charities, and stimulate local business by spending it here and not sending it to Washington to go to some of the 750 million dollar earmarks Obama asked for as senator.
Sandy: It is a big issue Doug, Why do you think Jill started this blog?
“I think for expressing her opinion against abortion, not specifically about born babies. It’s not really much of an issue, if any, and the topics reflect that.”
Momma Bethany, laying down the Law: Doug, listen to me very clearly here. The BORN baby is what drove Jill into the abortion fight!
Yee Haa…. Yes, Bethany, agreed on that. I still don’t see it as much of an issue, though, not compared to abortion.
P.S. You are the Lawgivah!
Oops, sorry about that – wrong thread.
Where do you guys get this “Abortion isn’t a big issue” from? Who do you speak for? Abortion isn’t discussed a lot, because it isn’t exactly a pleasant topic. However, it is a very important issue. Does anyone have any proof that it’s not an important issue?
State-mate Heather,
No – abortion is a big deal, no question about it.
I was contrasting it with the argument, if any, that born babies should be allowed to die, as “on a cold shelf,” suffering needlessly.
I agree that Jill’s motivation for starting the blog website is clear, but in the here-and-now there really is not much sentiment for it being legal to kill born babies, or, even if they are going to die, to not give them care so they feel better.
Doug, Some people claim that the abortion issue “isn’t important at all.” I’m glad that you do agree with me on something:]
“Nobody wants Obama. He sucks.”
Heather, you might not want him, but you must admit it’s not true to say nobody does. He’s received millions and millions of votes and dollars.
Posted by: Hal at March 14, 2008 11:50 AM
I have to agree with you, Hal. Obama is a great speaker and has truly talented marketing and promotional people working on his campaign. They have done a great job helping to create him as a candidate. It reminds me of the way that music companies package and promote new singers. The big difference with entertainment personalities is that you aren’t electing them to be president. You download some songs and when you are tired of listening to them, you move on. You really can’t do that with the president.
“The big difference with entertainment personalities is that you aren’t electing them to be president. You download some songs and when you are tired of listening to them, you move on. You really can’t do that with the president.”
I’m so tired of listening to GWB. So very tired. Obama, however, will be music to our ears for the next eight years.
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