New Stanek WND column: “Warren, Obama: It takes more than wings to fly”
Despite pressure from social conservatives, Pastor Rick Warren refused to uninvite U.S. Sen. Barack Obama from his AIDS conference last week, although Obama is pro-abortion and pro-homosexual.
During the conference, Warren explained, “You have to have two wings to fly,” apparently a right wing and a left wing….
Warren said he invited Obama to speak at his conference because they both want to stop AIDS.
This would be like me inviting Ted Kennedy to my pro-life conference because we both want to stop unplanned pregnancies. Ludicrous. Warren certainly knows ends don’t justify means….
In so many words Warren portrayed conservatives as bigoted for demanding that those we allow in our flock agree on all issues, as if that were actually true, and as if abortion and homosexuality were just issues to be lumped with all others…. Rather, they are directly related to AIDS….
Exactly how will Obama and Warren take wing together to conquer AIDS, if Obama condones the top three causes of AIDS? ….
Worst of all, Warren gave Obama a platform. He legitimized Obama, particularly among evangelicals. One consequence of this will be….
Continue reading my column today, “Warren, Obama: It takes more than wings to fly,” on WND.com.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I loved your column. Thank you. I have been stewing about this ever since I heard.
Mr. Obama should not split the truth by taking part of Jesus
Obama’s a lot like a burst of stomach gas… attracts attention in a crowded elevator but quickly dissipates when the door openes.
Thanks for another great column!
I hope you don’t mind me sharing a thought that occurred to me about Pastor Warren’s invitation.
When I first heard it, I was incensed, too. But then I thought about the Lord, and how Jesus “ate with tax collectors and sinners.” I’d like to think Pastor Warren is practicing what I’d call “behind the scenes evangelism,” even though most evangelists I know or know about don’t mince words when it comes to preaching the Gospel.
I also recall a line from one of the Godfather movies: “Keep your friends close but your enemies even closer.” We can’t be sure of what Pastor Warren is thinking, but we can be sure that if we lift him in prayer, God is faithful, and “all things work together for the good of those called according to His purpose.”
I would think (and I sure pray) that a man who’s written two books on knowing God’s purpose would be trying to live out that purpose.
Let’s pray that Pastor Warren be given the holy boldness he needs to call Obama to accountability and to call him back into the “fold.” May he be given Godly wisdom, too!
Thanks for hearing me out. God bless you for all you do and especially for the great role model you are as a nurse. We need more among our ranks like you!
Absolutely perfect. Thanks for the column. I only hope it is widely read.
Terri,
Of course I agree with Jesus’ example of mingling with tax collectors and sinners – me included.
But that was different than appearing to condone the behavior of tax collectors and sinners by giving them an open mic to espouse their anti-Biblical beliefs.
I really pray Warren is on the same wavelength with God here as far as Obama and AIDS are concerned. By what Warren did, though, it is difficult to think that is so.
Jill, thank you for your column and your answer above, about “mingling with tax collectors and sinners” being different than condoning their actions and giving them a platform and legitimizing them. That is exactly what Rick Warren did here. He should have gone to dinner with Obama if he wanted to talk with him about AIDS…maybe during dinner he could also discuss abortion and try to change Obamas mind.
But seriously, Obama is not about to change his mind on abortion. It’s not a position he has come to through clear-eyed examination of the facts of human embryonic development, or the facts about fetal pain, or any facts about abortion.
No, with Obama, it is a political calculation. Disgusting as that may sound, it is true. Obama knows that NARAL and Planned Parenthood and the rest will support and fund him, so he will not go against them, no matter how many babies are killed.
The disturbing aspect of your column is something I’m seeing more and more of these days. So-called “Christian” groups are sprouting up, touting themselves as “Christian” but saying abortion is OK, homosexuality is OK, but what we should really focus on is bashing Bush and conservatives.
Have you noticed all the liberal ?Christian? groups sprouting up? They insist that the Bible says federal taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research, which kills a growing human life, is OK. These same liberal ?Christian? groups defend homosexuality as a ?Christian? value and insist that President Bush is worse than Hilter.
?Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.? Isaiah 5:20
It boils down to the fact that moral relativists have decided that the moral bounds defined in the Bible, as it was originally written, are too restrictive.
These liberal ?Christian? groups often justify the killing of millions of innocent unborn children by changing the subject to
?poverty alleviation? and ?non-violence? as fundamental principles in the teachings of Jesus Christ. But favoring one political idea about how to best alleviate poverty does not allow us to leave the innocent unborn child to die at the abortionists hand. We can argue in the political arena about whether taxes should be raised or lowered, and what the economic impact is on the poor, middle class and the rich. For example, every time taxes are lowered across the board, the economy booms, adding good new jobs for the poor, middle class and the rich. Everyone benefits, including the poor whose income is increased while they get the added benefit of pride and self-esteem from doing a job. Forceably taking money from one American and giving it to another American provides no incentive to work on either side, and may actually perpetuate poverty over many generations.
But again, these issues can be argued and historical economic data can be marshaled to show why one idea works better than another to help the poor. But preferring one method over another certainly can?t justify voting for those who condone and allow young teens to commit partial birth abortion with no partental notification.
The same is true when we talk about ?non-violence?. Yes, of course Jesus was against using violence against the innocent, and that is another reason to vote pro-life. Abortion is a prime example of violence against innocent human baby girls and boys. But, sometimes Christians get confused and twist that into believing that somehow, Jesus would not want to protect innocent children and others from those who would commit violence against them. Somehow, they think Jesus would just sit by and do nothing while violent men raped and killed children in front of his eyes. Of course he would not?he would stop them. Jesus did not even want the disiples to stop the children from coming to see him! How do you think He would feel about someone beating them up or killing them?
So as Christians, we should be like Jesus, and not go around our neighborhoods beating people up or shooting them and taking their possessions. But, if we see innocent people being raped, mugged, killed or thrown into plastic shreddars, we should stop the perpetrators. If we see these people in need of help and we do not help them, it is just as if we did not offer the help to Jesus himself.
Sometimes Christians say ?well, that is true, we should stop those committing violence against the innocent, but we should do it in a peaceful way, a non-violent way, by talking to them.? Let?s say a violent gang broke into your church and lined the congregation up against the wall, and started shooting them one by one. Would you call the police to stop them? If you could distract the perpetrator and then hit him on the head with a chair, would you? Or would you simple talk??Please, stop.? BANG! ?Please don?t do that again? BANG! Let?s reason together, why are you so angry? BANG! And so on.
How long would you keep this talking up? Would you call the police at some point, knowing that they would show up with guns and stop the perpetrator? What would be the Christian thing to do, let everyone in the church get killed, including yourself, but at least you can say you were non-violent? Or stop the evil killers in their tracks?
The same concept applies on a larger scale with nations and war. Should we have let Hitler kill all the Jews and take over the world? After all, we had to use violence to stop him. What about Saddam? He used WMD to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people, and maintained the capability to create more WMD. If he used WMD against his own people, who can say he would not have passed WMD through some terrorist group, like Al Qaida, and who can say those WMD would not have shown up in some American city? If anyone doubts this scenario, would you have doubted that terrorists would fly airplanes into American skyscrapers if you were told on September 10, 2001 that this might happen? Even Senator Kerry admitted that he ‘couldn’t think for 40 minutes’ after the attack. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040814-123306-8563r.htm
So my point is, these so-called “Christian” groups are nothing more than liberal Democrat front groups, trying to fool Christians into voting Democrat. In fact, this was talked about before the election…Kerry and Hillary and others said they needed to “talk a new language” about abortion, because just simply telling the truth about their position (they are for unfettered killing of innocent unborn girls and boys, and getting your taxpayer money to pay for it if they can) was not working very well for them.
So, in the recent election, some Democrats went around “speaking in different ways” about abortion. They won’t vote any differently, but they did speak differently. It was enough to win a few seats and take control of the congress, which put aggressively pro-abortion Democrat leaders in charge. These leaders will now enact all sorts of mayhem on the unborn, and they will not let any Justices on the supreme court who don’t meet their litmus test. Their litmus test is: “will you vote to uphold Roe v Wade, which created a right to kill the unborn which is not found in the Constitution”. This is what voting for a few smooth-talking liberals has done: put Chuck Schumer and Teddy Kennedy in charge.
Every time I hear Ted Kennedy speak, or see him on TV, I think of poor Mary Jo Kopechne.
After drinking heavily at a party, Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge and his car and a young campaign worker, Mary Jo Kopechne, sunk to the bottom, killing her. Mr. Kennedy swam to safety and went back to the party to strategize, for nine hours, on how how best to handle this politically. This also allowed him to wait until most of the alchhol had left his body. The next day they found the sunken car and then he reported the accident to the police. Details and timeline at http://www.ytedk.com (highly recommended reading this incredibly detailed report)
Since then, Senator Kennedy has been re-elected many times and continues to be a champion of big government and “women’s rights?” (by which he means abortion on demand anytime, partial birth abortion, no parental notification required by minors, no laws requiring fetal pain during abortion to be discussed, etc)
However, Senator Kennedy, who did not report the drowning death of a campaign worker for 9 hours, has come out strongly against waterboarding of captured Al Qaida members to obtain information on future attacks that will kill thousands of Americans.
Thanks for boldly speaking up! So many evangelicals are now acting wimpy toward Biblical morality. What’s up? Why does Warren compromise on morality? Reminds me of the pre-Civil War compromises — in the long run they caused much harm and destruction. I have a pro-life blog at: christianchallenge.blogstream.com (leave off www). Thank you. Steve Simms
Hey Jill,
Glad to see you guys are starting to have the same problems as us Catholics!
Ah, Andrew, so you admit you’ve been secretly jealous of Protestants? So my prayers to Jesus (not Mary or the saints) about you have been working? :)J
As a queer revolutionary, I demand Jesus to show his face and say directly that homosexuality is wrong. Who in the hell is Jill Stanek and why does she give a rat’s ass about what I do with my husband? I’ve been with him for 10 years and we are going strong. And we have amazing sex! Obama 08!
Brian,I agree with you. I’m married with two children, and I don’t know anything in the New testiment against homosexuality. If you want to rely on the old testiment laws, I guess we need to stop inviting shrimp eaters to church.
I think Obama, and Edwards, and Biden all show great promise in 08. Can’t wait.
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“I Left My Dead Baby In The Toilet” – Former Patient of Abortionist Tells O’Reilly Factor
Did anyone see this interview on the O’Reilly Factor this past week?
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Here is part of the Transcript…
BILL O’REILLY, HOST: “Factor follow-up” segment tonight, authorities in Kansas still investigating the late-term abortionist Dr. George Tiller, to see if he has violated state law about reporting the rapes of underaged girls.
Tiller will abort babies at any time up until birth, sometimes citing the depression of the mother as a medical reason.
Joining us now from Washington is Kelly. Got pregnant at age 13 in Maryland and had her fetus aborted by Tiller. OK, so you were 20 weeks pregnant when you brought the situation to your parents’ attention, I understand. In the state of Maryland, you could not have an abortion that late, but your father and mother, I guess, decided to take you to Kansas, where Tiller advertises on the Net. Everybody knows who he is. He’ll abort babies at any time. So your parents take you there. You go into the clinic. Pick it up from there.
KELLY, FORMER DR. TILLER PATIENT: Well, it was a five-day process. And when I first went in, they have counseling that they offered. It’s a group counseling with other women that are going through the same thing. And during the five days, they insert expandable whatever into the cervix to slowly dilate you through the five-day process.
And about the third or fourth day Dr. Tiller came in and injected into the amniotic sack a saline solution, which suffocated and burned my baby to death. And on the last day they put you in a room with other women
Thoughts on the interview? Ho hum yawn.
what are your thoughts?
People who want abortions should go to more responsible doctors, but the good doctors are being harassed so much, many are probably leaving.
When I had an abortion, my doc was very caring and compasionate.