Pro-Choice: Just Say “No” to Safe and Rare
By Valerie Jane
Pro-Choice advocates want abortion to be safe, legal and rare.
*At any time during a pregnancy it is legal for a woman to destroy a human fetus, so they have legal covered.
*What about safe? Metropolitan Medical Associates in New Jersey was temporarily closed by state health officials because of a complaint filed by a woman who was in a coma for 3 weeks after a botched abortion. During their inspection they found forceps that had “brownish blood-like residues,” quarter-inch of dark red “dirt and debris” under an exam table, no infection control plan or an infection control specialist and sterilized items were not stored or handled correctly.
I didn’t hear any kind of outcry from the politicians and feminist who scream ‘safe’, which this place was not.
Add abortionist like Dr. Tiller to this and I think the concept of safe is not a concern to them.
*How about rare? H.R. 1088 (Elizabeth Cady Stanton Pregnant and Parenting Student Services Act of 2007) is a bill in Congress that proposes a federal program for colleges to start and operate pregnant and parenting student service offices. Since college aged women have one of the highest abortion rates, this would help women obtain an education and not feel forced into abortion due to lack of resources on college campuses. Feminists for Life
has implemented this program in colleges and has seen up to a 30% decrease in abortion. Where’s Planned Parenthood? Where’s NOW? What about all the other abortion advocates? No letter writing campaigns. No calling the politician campaigns. No advertising of the bill.
Saying safe and rare sounds good, but if you don’t do anything to support these ideas you’re just wasting our time.
Hmmm…I like the sound of that plan to help college students who have children get through without so much financial burden.
I hope it passes and is effective as it’s toted to be. I would support this on my campus. ^_^
This is currently in place on my campus, I believe: the information is given if you ask for it/if you become pregnant. It isn’t that difficult to find.
As for safe, did you know hospitals are now putting barcodes on all medical instruments, as so many have been lost in patient’s bodies? It isn’t only abortion clinics that aren’t safe, they simply bear the brunt of the press. Want to put hospitals out of commission too?
Less,
As for safe, did you know hospitals are now putting barcodes on all medical instruments, as so many have been lost in patient’s bodies? It isn’t only abortion clinics that aren’t safe, they simply bear the brunt of the press. Want to put hospitals out of commission too?
At least the instruments were sterilized before they got “Lost”.
And the fact that they are putting bar codes on them means they are addressing the issue instead of denying it.
mk
That’s a good idea. It should be instilled in all college campuses.
Not all of them were, MK. And even then, occasionally septisemia will set in. Besides, the point was more that, just as you can’t critize all hospitals for incidences such as that, you can’t call all abortion clinics unsafe becase a few have been shut down.
Yes that is true Less,
BUT…
There are 800 some abortion clinics, and how many have been shut down? How many deaths? How many criminals are working as abortionists…
It just seems as if these clinics are seedy all the way around.
And when they are found to be dirty, it’s not just a cobweb. It’s old blood on the floors and in drains. It’s unsterilized instruments being used over and over. It’s unqualified personnel. Stuff that you wouldn’t put up with in any other situation.
Mk
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The more I read about feminists,the more I feel that they are only out for themselves and their own political agenda.They can’t be pro-woman.As His Man says-They have a lust for power.This also would explain to me that when women have abortions,and try to seek comfort in the side of “Choice” afterwards,there isn’t any to be found.I’ve read about girls that had major regrets from their abortions,and they tried to find comfort from pro-choicers.These women complained of everything from the phone being slammed down on them to being told they were overreacting,to being laughed at.
Abortionist Laurence Reich was asking his abortion patients to masturbate for him.He told them that he wanted to make sure they were doing it correctly.I read that after performing an abortion for 1 young lady,Reich asked her out for lunch.The girl said that she was still lying on the table-[legs spread]and thought to herself EEEEWWWW,I’ve just been violated.
Plenty more where that came from.Gonna dig up more.
EWww that guy is sick.
Isn’t that gross PIP? Former abortionist Brian L.Finkle makes that look like child’s play Fortunately, he is in prison for a very long time.
Good.
Not all schools are pregnant/parenting student friendly. My (ex) school cut my scholarship in half, canceled my work study, and forced me off campus when I disclosed my pregnancy. All this from a women’s college!
It ended up not mattering, because I changed my major to one not offered at the school. Even so, their treatment of pregnant students is horrible.
it’s sad that even today after 33 Virginia Tech students were shoot for absolutely no reason, all you people can do is bitch and moan, and prove your points digging up sick stories that have been brought up already…
justathought,
well, this is a pro-life site and we do discuss abortion topics cuz that’s what you do on a pro-life site and most abortion topics involve sick stories even if they are just about abortions and if you want to talk about what happened in Virginia today you can probably find a website somewhere that has that as their topic for the day or you could just try *nicely* to start a conversation on here about it but really do you have to be so nasty when you tell us all how nasty we are, well do ya?
mk
That story IS really sad. That university had a big wake up call in terms of security. I know the place my brother went to school (Butler U) shut down after a crazy person shot at a security offecer there. After 2 or 3 students were shot in the dorms the university did very little in terms of security, until later :/
The scary thing? About 3 weeks ago I had a dream that I went and visited a school in Virginia, and there was a bomb threat there and they did nothing about it. Creepy…
In terms of the Virginia shooting, I’ve heard a lot of the problem concerned poor communication between local and campus police. I know juristicion is a common argument, and it’s possible that that’s why the message didn’t get out sooner. That, of course, doesn’t excuse what happened. I feel so much for these people, though.
Momof3, how many stories have we heard of where dentists molest their patients while out? There was a recent case where an OB/GYN was molesting his patients as well. It isn’t only doctors who provide abortion who do it.
As for your list, MK, only five had any mention of health code violations or a doctor molesting a patient. I’m sure I can dig up at least that many hospitals who have had the same problems.
Less –
“As for safe, did you know hospitals are now putting barcodes on all medical instruments, as so many have been lost in patient’s bodies? It isn’t only abortion clinics that aren’t safe, they simply bear the brunt of the press. Want to put hospitals out of commission too?”
What part of my post didn’t you understand? I’m not being rude, this is a very serious question. I said nothing about putting ‘all’ abortion mills out of business. I was saying that the pro-choice crowd could care less if the abortion mills are in fact ‘mills’. Wouldn’t you think that since you all are saying you want abortions to be safe you should do something about the back ally hacket jobs that are being done legally?
As for the barcodes in the hosptial, I would like to see some stats on that. Every year, every state has a list of medical malpractice (trust me, an intrument left in someone’s body is going to get reported) that happens at hopstals and clinics (Abortion clinics are exempt from this, gee, I wonder why?) and I very rarely see instruments left in body. The most common is the wrong medicine given or the wrong dose of medicine given. The barcodes, from what has been presented, is because of theft from employees and patients.
MK posted….
Orlando, FL (1)
Orlando Womens Center, owned and operated by abortionist James Pendergraft, was closed by the state in August, 2006, for providing illegal late term abortions and prescribing drugs without a DEA permit.
Date: 09/14/2006 Owner: Administrator
Orlando FL (2)
EPOC Clinic, another Pendergraft mill, was closed by the state for “flagrant violations of the law.”
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james Pendergraft
Pendergraft had his Florida medical license suspendedin August, 2006, temporarily closing all 5 of his abortion mills. Pendergraft defied laws regulating late-term abortions and illegally prescribed drugs.
Date: 08/17/2006 Owner: Administrator Views: 170
This is the same clinic and abortionist that the baby Rowan died at.
Less –
“Momof3, how many stories have we heard of where dentists molest their patients while out? There was a recent case where an OB/GYN was molesting his patients as well. It isn’t only doctors who provide abortion who do it.”
Yes, and you know about them because this kinda stuff makes national news. The MMA clinic in NJ that I sited did not make national news even though any medical clinic would never had reopened with the same staff involved. The citations that were given don’t even happen in Animal Hospitals. Check out regualtions for AAHA if you don’t believe me.
Also….
“As for your list, MK, only five had any mention of health code violations or a doctor molesting a patient. I’m sure I can dig up at least that many hospitals who have had the same problems. ”
Make sure you get the statistical ratio correct. Since there are thousands, if not millions of clinics, hospitals and dentists offices you would have to make sure that you take that into affect when you present your data. How many abortion mills are there? Compared to how many abortion mills?
Yes Less,
But in a hospital you have thousands of employees.
Here you have a handful. If an orderly in a major hospital molests someone, that is not the same as “THE” doctor that you came to see (and trust) in a small clinic molesting you.
Also, this is only a sampling.
We’re not saying EVERY abortion clinic is filthy, we’re just saying that abortion is dirty business run by doctors who couldn’t get jobs anywhere else and it’s not surprising that with no regulation these places are more often than not “pits”.
mk
Oops, last sentence should read.
How many abortions mills are there? Compared to how many hospitals, clinics and dentists offices?
Less,
type: abortion clinics cited for health code violations in your search engine…
watch what comes up.
mk
As for the shootings at Virginia Tech. It is very tragic. My husband was confirmed tonight and during the Mass there was a prayer offered for the family, friends, students and anyone else involved. Including the gunman. There were many candles lit tonight for them.
Leaving equipment inside patients isn
You slander George Tiller by suggesting he’s not safe.
Even his enemies can only find two cases to cite against him–and one of those (Christin Gilbert) was not his fault, and the other one (baby born alive after failure to inject digoxin into the heart) was back in 1993.
If that’s all there is against him, it’s not very much.
Not enough to call him unsafe.
Anyway, how come no one here has blogged about the long-awaited federal study showing that abstinance-only programs don’t work?
Here’s a link:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119650.html
Can we agree that it’s time to stop wasting taxpayer money on these programs?
Also check out the WaPo article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26623-2004Dec1.html
Here’s the report itself.
http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/PDFs/impactabstinence.pdf
There were 1,819 abortion clinics in 2000. For some reason I can’t find how many hospitals there are in the US; I’m betting it’s far more than that. But, with how many abortions preformed per day, do any of you have any statistics for how often they go wrong?
Now, there are around 800. Why do they keep closing?
Also, you have to forgive Bethany, Valerie and I.
We’re just babysitting the site until Jill gets back from Disney, and we are nowhere near as good as Jill at getting statistics.
I’ll try, but I make no promises.
Go easy on us. Plllleeeeeaaaaaaassssseeeee?
mk
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Number of hospitals nationwide. These hospitals employ 5.1 million people.
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By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A report that found some abstinence-only education programs do little to discourage teens from having sex only shows a small part of the picture, a Health and Human Services Department official said on Monday.
Newer sexual education programs are often more comprehensive and HHS is doing more to monitor them and make sure they are working, said Harry Wilson, associate commissioner at the Administration on Children, Youth and Family at HHS.
“We are taking it and managing the program. We are trying to collect as much data as can. We have got a study of 400 curricula going on,” Wilson said in a telephone interview.
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For the report issued Friday, Mathematica Policy Research Inc. interviewed 1,200 teen-agers in rural and urban communities in Florida, Wisconsin, Mississippi and Virginia who had taken part in abstinence-only education programs four to six years before.
They compared their behaviors to 800 similar students who had not taken part in abstinence-only programs.
They found few differences. About 25 percent in both groups had already had sex with three or more partners and 23 percent of both groups reported having had sex and always using a condom.
Teens in both groups reported they had first had sex at just under the age of 15 on average.
Advocates of more comprehensive sexual education in school said the report showed that abstinence-only programs, which got mandated federal funding starting in 1998, do not work and are a waste of money.
Wilson, whose department took over the program in 2005, said he disagreed. The study only looked at four programs and they were among the first of their kind.
The programs stopped after middle school, before most of the children were likely to become sexually active.
Wilson said sex education of all types will likely have to continue after children are in high school to be effective.
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“The most striking thing to me as parent was that it showed the average age of sexual debut at 14.9,” Wilson said.
“Whether you think abstinence is best or comprehensive is better, we have to start facing as a nation that kids are starting to make these decisions at an (early) age.”
Wilson said he did not understand why so many advocacy groups responded so strongly to the report. The Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, Advocates for Youth and California Democratic Rep. Harry Waxman all said the report demonstrated that abstinence-only education programs waste money.
“What people have misunderstood is that it is not like we have kids in a box and we open the top and throw abstinence education in and nothing else gets in,” Wilson said.
“Other grants fund comprehensive sex education, too. As a parent, how I want my kids to be raised is I want them to get all the messages but of course I want to push abstinence as much as I can — especially at the age of 14.”
Pro-choice people want abortion “rare”. Why? Do we want to see any of the other freedoms we enjoy like speech, assembly, religion, and the press to be rare? I think we would argue that these rights should be enjoyed to the fullest extent by all Americans and there would be a huge outcry if efforts were made to make them rare. So why is abortion, a “right” given us by the Supreme Court an exception?
Mary,thank you for another great post.I signed off early last night.I was reading all of the evening posts.Okay,sure you will probably be able to find perverts in every occupation.My point in exposing the abortionists was that a lot of women admitted that they either didn’t want to report the abortionist because of shame,[didn’t want people to know they had one,it was a secret,etc.]or nobody believed them when thet did report it. Abortionists knew this would be the case, and they prayed upon it.Women’s fear in general.Abortionist Brian Finkle got away with multiple rapes and molestations for YEARS before he was brought to justice.
Also,I agree with the person that wrote if a dentist molested a patient we would all hear about it.The media would expose it.For some reason,abortion is always a hush-hush matter.I’ve had people tell me about everything- childbirth,root canals,foot problems,etc.in the employee lunchroom.Never had anyone bring up abortion as a conversation piece though.
PS Sorry for the typos above-need to make some coffee.Not awake yet.
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http://www.abortionessay.com/files/Tiller.html
Less –
And ‘estimated’ 1500 per year. Out of how many patients? The percentage is extrememly low.
But keep going. You’re proving my point. Thanks!
Like I said, you are not outraged that something like MMA in NJ happened and no one really knows about it because it wasn’t reported. You are too busy trying to prove that other hospitals have problems too. BTW – try to find ONE clinic that has the problems found at MMA and then re-opened several weeks later with the same staff. I’m not saying other hospitals are perfect. I’m saying the media and the pro-choice voices don’t do anything about malpractice when it happens at an abortion clinic.
Here’s a post for Justathought:If you don’t like the pissing and moaning, find another web site. What did you come here for? Helllooo,it’s a pro-life web site!!
Back to that part about helping women who are truly in need. Valerie is correct in saying that if don’t do anything to support these ideas then you’re just wasting time.
There is an effective way to help women who are truly in need but I can assure you that NARAL and the others are not interested.
A lot of the women we see going into the abortion mills are being pressured into it. I see this with my own eyes every week and if anybody doubts that, then I invite you to come spend some time on the sidewalks in front of the Dallas abortion mills.
Many of these women would not have the abortion if only someone was there to help them and talk to them and to give them some help.
How do we know this? Because they tell us, and we hear their stories and we help them through their difficult times.
See below for just one example of what I am talking about.
http://cplc.blogspot.com/2007/04/amanda.html
Where are NARAL and NOW, where are all of you who support abortion when these women are crying and asking for help?
Thanks for a great post Andrew. PIP,I don’t know how you would feel about visiting a pro-life site, but if you’re open to it,I have a great one for you. It’s called Death Roe.com. This is one of the very first sites I came upon while investigating abortion. It exposes quite a bit about the abortion industry. Check it out.
Andrew, not all women are “pressured” into abortion. If I got pregnant right now, I would have an abortion, no pressure required: I know my options, know my circumstances, and have already decided. Sure, you might be there to talk to them and give them help when they’re thinking of abortion, but what happens a few months down the road when they have the baby and can’t afford to pay for the hospital bill? Or the child starts growing up and the woman has to work two jobs to feed the child? Are you still helping her then?
I live in Dallas; I know what you do outside the abortion clinic there. I know what you do outside the Planned Parenthood in my town: a Planned Parenthood, I might add, that does nothing more than provide health care to women. You say that the pro-choice crowd doesn’t care about things that might help women, when the pro-life crowd pickets at Planned Parenthood, a place that provides low-cost health care and free pregnancy tests. Only a very few Planned Parenthoods provide abortion, and yet you’re against all of them…and still say that you want to help women. Hm.
MK, I did some research: turns out quite a few of the abortion providers closed because of pro-life violence. Hmmm…such violence hardly seems pro-life to me.
Bethany, less than 16% of rapes are reported. The crime itself is severely underreported: it isn’t just rapes that are in some way tied to abortion.
Valerie, the hospital that had three incidences of equipment being left in patients remained opened. And if such activities at abortion clinics aren’t reported, how do you and Jill get ahold of the stories? Seems to me that they’d have to be reported if you know about them. Also, in journalism, you report upon stories that are going to affect a broad segment of the population. An abortion clinic in New Jersey closing isn’t going to affect anyone outside of that town in New Jersey. A tornado in Dallas killing a person isn’t really going to affect anyone outside of Texas. It might get a small story buried on the 14th page, but if it isn’t important for lots of people, it just isn’t newsworthy.
Mom, I will definately check it out. Thanks!
PIP,that’s great! One more thing, when you do go to the site, click the heading of EXECUTIONERS. That’s where I found a lot of appalling info.
PS-PIP I loved your video.I am still laughing! I love Dave Chappell!!
Less, thanks for not answering my question about where pro-abortion supporters are during an extremely significant time of a woman’s life.
So let me ask the question this way: How much money did Planned Parenthood of North Texas spend on diapers last year? Baby bottles? Washers/Dryers?
Better yet, how many Planned Parenthood staffers drove expectant mothers to their doctors appointments?
The reason I ask is because we get phone calls every day to our offices from women who need help. They need help paying rent, getting food for their children, paying electricty bills etc…
We only have a small budget to handle these things, and then we turn to our friends in the community who can help, because truly compassionate people help women who are in need.
Insisting that pro-lifers take care of the baby forever (which, by the way, we are completely willing to do) misses the main point and provides a great excuse for not helping them at all.
Our church raised $11,000.00 dollars with something called the “Baby Bottle Project’ and our neighboring parish raised $18,000.00…
And that’s for each of the last six years.
Most parishes in Chicago did the same.
What have you done, Less?
mk
MK, I donate to Planned Parenthood, I write editorials espousing reproductive health for women and men, and fighting against the misinformation that so many people enjoy spreading. When I move in with my fiance for the summer, I’ll be closer to a local Planned Parenthood and can hopefully spend more of my time there.
Andrew, Planned Parenthood doesn’t do that, and you know that. Or you should, if you’re constantly protesting at them. They provide low cost mamograms, pap smears, STD tests, pregnacy tests, prenatal care, birth control, STD prescriptions…I could go on. No one is refused at Planned Parenthood.
If you’re willing to take care of the babies forever, have you adopted?
And God bless special people like you Andrew and MK. God bless all of the crisis pregnancy centers,churches and adoption agencies. God bless those that choose to be part of the solution to the problem.
Less, you fail to see the point, ever, it seems. :(
Andrew, thank you so much for what you do to help women in need, and thank you for your words here!
And what point would that be, Bethany? That I don’t go around talking women out of abortions? No, I don’t. I don’t advocate crises pregnancy centers; I doubt their reliability and the legitimacy of their information. I don’t go to church, therefore I don’t donate to one. So what exactly is the point, Bethany?
Less, there is no point in even trying. You do not understand even what we write, even when written in the simplest of terms. There is no getting through to you.
Sorry.
mom- thanks!! You know i wanted to put more chappelle clips in there (black Bush comes to mind) but my computer just couldn’t handle it. It had crashed several times before it was finished!
Bethany, I understand what you right, perhaps it’s that I simply don’t understand the mindset that says it’s okay to force a omwan to carry a child for nine months.
Excuse me, that should be write instead of right, and woman instead of omwan.
Less,
MK, I donate to Planned Parenthood, I write editorials espousing reproductive health for women and men, and fighting against the misinformation that so many people enjoy spreading. When I move in with my fiance for the summer, I’ll be closer to a local Planned Parenthood and can hopefully spend more of my time there.
That’s all very noble (gag) I’m sure, but the question I asked is what have you done to help women in crisis pregnancies to continue with their pregnancies? Or is abortion the only solution.
Perhaps if you spent some time volunteering at a Women’s Center helping these women to keep their babies instead of at a place that reeks of death, you’d be in a better position to criticize us
mk
Less,
Bethany, I understand what you right, perhaps it’s that I simply don’t understand the mindset that says it’s okay to force a omwan to carry a child for nine months.
Exactly how is it that offering money, and doctors and medical care and furniture and diapers and bottles and formula and friendship is forcing women to carry their children for nine months?
You say something like this and berate us for volunteering in Women’s centers because you are not an advocate of them, and you wonder why we call you Pro Abortion?
blind, blind, blind!!!
mk
MK, do crisis pregnancy centers say that abortion is liked to breast cancer? Then they’re giving out false information. Do they call the fetus a baby? Then they’re giving out false information. There are precious few crisis pregnancy places that don’t willingly lie to women, and I prefer to embrace causes that don’t lie, thanks.
Also, I never equated crisis pregnancy clinics to forcing a woman to carry a child. If a woman goes there without first having researched herself, that’s her problem. I won’t support it, but it’s not my business. I equate the pro-life movement with forcing women to bear children, actually.
What false info.??
Less –
“the hospital that had three incidences of equipment being left in patients remained opened”
How about the person responsible for the equipment being left? They still there? Bethany is correct when she says you just aren’t getting it. Which is unusual for you.
“activities at abortion clinics aren’t reported, how do you and Jill get ahold of the stories?”
Please re-read. NATIONAL ATTENTION. NARAL, NOW, NAF, where are they? NOW was right there when Imus made his extremely inappropriate remarks. Why was that more important than a woman in a coma for weeks and loosing her uterus. This woman is a mother! And Imus get national attention and this story gets buried. When the state health dept investigated they had to close it down because of gross negligence and health violations. I’ve worked in Animal Hospitals for many years and I have never seen what the health dept described at this place. Listen to me – Animal hospitals are better than this clinic. This is not deserving of national attention to you? Amazing. There should have been pro-choicers demanding that the people responsible get punished. Where were they? These are women’s lives they are playing russian roulette with and all you come up with equipment left in bodies. What about the condition of the hospitals? The one that a person had 3; was the hospital clean? Was every patient at risk because of health violations? Do I really need to continue this with you? or are you just going to keep covering your eyes while women are butchered! and pro-choice does nothing about it. BTW – this isn’t the only woman suing either.
“report upon stories that are going to affect a broad segment of the population. An abortion clinic in New Jersey closing isn’t going to affect anyone outside of that town in New Jersey. ”
WHY NOT!! Why isn’t it going to affect anyone? You mean to tell me that a clinic that puts women’s lives at risk because of dirty facilities and the inability to keep accurate records shouldn’t be reported? And your right about a storm in Texas not affecting anyone outside of there, but wrong about the story being buried.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263034,00.html
“No one is refused at Planned Parenthood. ”
No one is refused at the Crisis Pregnancy Centers either. Many offer the same tests and programs that PP does. AND we connect the women to programs like the Gabriel Project http://www.glgabrielproject.org/info.htm for help during pregnancy and AFTER birth. Or how about the O’connor house here in Indianapolis. http://www.theoconnorhouse.org/ (website is under contruction – but you can see what it is) This is a place that women can STAY at during pregnancy and AFTER birth. And we also help the women find jobs, housing, gov’t assistance. We do care about the women. I’m seriously beginning to doubt if you care more about your agenda than you do about women.
Sorry if I sound pissed or that you feel I am attacking you. But that fact is I’ve never been angrier than I am right now when discussing subjects like this with pro-choicers.
Women are being butchered and you just sit there and do nothing about it.
http://legalactionforwomen.org/stories.html
You will note that all stories are documented and this organization is a member of the National Legal Aid and Defender Association
Valerie, I have no idea if the people are still there or not. Similar to the abortion doctors that you mentioned, I would assume they were let go.
The stories aren’t going to affect anyone else outside of the town because frankly, no one else knows of the clinic. Sure, it might get some local publicity, but unless several people die in a particularly grusome way, it just won’t make national news. That’s simply how it is. No one except the local media and activists care. You don’t hear about all the murders that happen daily in Dallas, do you? Why is this woman going into a coma and the clinic being shut down more important than people dying and the killer going loose? It is only more important because of your view on the issue and the fact that digging up local stories to support your beliefs is something that bloggers do constantly.
As I said, Crisis pregnancy centers spread false, emotionally charged information. Excuse me, but I believe women can make their own choices without being lied to or guilted one way or another. Both of the links you provided are linked to churches, and neither provide links to services they offer. How comfortable would a Muslim woman be using these services? Or someone like me, who has constantly been told on this site alone that I’m going to hell? And what would happen if these women didn’t want to be preached at, they just wanted help? Can these places do that?
You want to talk about things that deserve national attention? Did you know in 2006 alone there were four attempted bombings of abortion clinics? Did that get national attention? Did the two clinics that pro-life extremists burned down get national attention? It doesn’t affect the majority of people outside of the area in which these incidences occur.
Less, I’m not trying to be rude, but your reading comprehension skills are absolutely terrible.
As for “emotionally charged” , I guess these articles from the pro-“choice” side couldn’t “possibly” be considered as such?
(you know, cause they’re from a pro-abortion perspective? )
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/renee_mitchell/index.ssf?/base/news/117668312340870.xml&coll=7
http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/120904women-who-died.html
http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/essays/slepian4.html
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2007/04/tennessees-women-hating-abortion-bill.html
Less, can you provide one specific incident involving a crisis pregnancy center where “false” information was provided?
I mean something that is documented, a court case or police report, or an unbiased newspaper account. (BTW, the Dallas Morning News does not count here because they are anti-Catholic and very much pro-abortion.)
Are there any other pro-aborts on this site?
Oh, and while I’m on the subject of “emotionally charged language”……
No one except the local media and activists care. You don’t hear about all the murders that happen daily in Dallas, do you? Why is this woman going into a coma and the clinic being shut down more important than people dying and the killer going loose?
Oh yes, Less, we don’t care about OTHER dying people because we are concerned with a woman being butchered at an abortion mill…sort of in the same way that you don’t care about the children dying in third world countries just because you focus on womens’ “rights”.
Andrew, there are a bunch of them here.
And I agree, I would also love to see some unbiased research which proved pregnancy centers are providing false information to girls.
Andrew, for example:
Pregnancy Centers
Do they provide any citations for their information? Any proof? Nope? I’d consider that presenting false information. And funny, that’s from a crisis pregnancy center website.
Plan B
Less, why should Imus comment have been made more important than all the deaths in his area then?
Why did it become national news? Are words that someone says more important than murder?
Notice the term baby. The correct medical term is fetus.
Yes, but I have never heard a doctor tell me I had a fetus in my stomach…and I’ve had four pregnancies, one that only made it to 8 weeks. And they still called it a “baby”.
In other words, unless you have an agenda not to use the word baby, then you will not have a problem with interchanging the word.
Oh and by the way, “Dr Tiller” calls them “babies”.
Bethany, were all those babies wanted? Did you have an emotional bond with those babies? Than sure, baby is great for those situations. The correct medical term, however, is fetus.
Imus is a national figure, with a syndicated radio show. That would be why his comments were such a big deal.
Also, my link previously did not work:
http://www.pregnancycenters.org/abortion.html
No citations. No proof for their allegations. At the end they have citations, but no way to access the documents.
Valerie,
You rightfully ask where NARAL and NOW were when a woman was in a coma and lost her uterus. I assure you, if that woman had been in a coma and lost her uterus because of an illegal abortion, these organizations would have been howling like banshees. They would like nothing more than for this to have been an illegal abortion and the fact that it wasn’t is most embarassing. This unfortunate woman didn’t serve their political agenda so she wasn’t worthy of any concern, much less outrage.
Valerie, you must keep one fact in mind. NARAL and NOW are political organizations first, advocates for women second. This has been made obvious time and again. While pouncing on Clarence Thomas like a pack of hyenas and elevating Anita Hill to sainthood, they were strangely silent when their boy Bill Clinton was accused of everything from exposing himself to rape, and when the women accusing him were trashed as bimboes, trailer trash, psychotics, and liars. Clarence Thomas was persecuted for his politics, not his lousy pick up lines. Bill Clinton served NARAL and NOW’s political agenda, so his, uh, indiscretions could be tolerated.
You will find NARAL and NOW highly selective in their “outrage”.
Mary,more posts please!!!!!
Valerie, I read the essay you posted about Dr. Tiller, and there’s nothing in it that impugns his safety. In fact, the essay itself admits that his record is “impeccable”.
Less, while donating to PP is helpful, your charity $ will do more for abortion rights in the USA if you donate to Medical Students for Choice.
MK, the number of women of reproductive age in the USA continues to decrease as baby-boomers age. That’s the main reason why the clinics close (and also the reason why fewer new ones open to replace them.)
If there were more demand, there would be more clinics.
SOMG aka Dr.Defense,Readthetext and Bob whatever-Why did an abortion clinic near me close last year due to health code violations? Tiller does not have a good record.What are you talking about??
“Mom of 3”, you are wrong about Tiller. His safety record is outstanding, and he’s a pioneering authority in his field. He’s one of the best there is at what he does.
He’s one of the best there is at what he does.
Yes, on that part you’re right.
Well,I guess you’ve got me there SOMG.Does that give you a bit of satisfaction?
SOMG-The clinic near me closed due to numerous health code violations [MK listed it above}Don’t tell me that ALL of these clinics are closing because of a lack of a need.
To add to Mary’s post, Bill Clinton impregnated Gennifer Flowers, and she had an abortion. Of course HE was going to keep abortion legal.
“Mom of 3”, you wrote: “Don’t tell me that ALL of these clinics are closing because of a lack of a need.”
No, of course not ALL. But lack of demand is what keeps new ones from opening to replace clinics that close.
momof3, prove that Bill Clinton impregnanted Ms. Flowers, please? A link, anything, would be nice.
Less,
Ms. Flowers did in fact claim she was impregnanted by Bill Clinton but that shouldn’t be surprising considering he had an 11 year affair with her. Bill did claim though that he slept with her only once in those 11 years so maybe we shouldn’t take Ms.Flowers’ word for it after all.
Less,I do not have a link. I saw Gennifer Flowers talking about it openly and freely on a TV show years ago.
PS. I believe Gennifer Flowers also talks about her abortion in her book.