Pro-life majority
A pro-abort commenter inaccurately stated tonight there are more of them than there are of us. It reminded me to post this.
May.03, 2007 9:39 pm |
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These are silly questions to ask. Try a real question: “Should the government ban abortion?” and see what you get.
Should the government ban abortion? Yes.Why are these questions silly? It’s an abortion poll.
How could anybody say that obtaining an abortion is Too Hard? 22%. This country will murder babies at any time for any reason.
Some women have to travel hundreds of miles to find a doctor who performs abortions. Sounds kind of hard to me.
You guys aren’t as persecuted as you would like to believe, as demonstrated in Jill’s polls
JK, Why do people claim that there is no shortage of abortion doctors? Why travel hundreds of miles then? Is there a shortage or not?
From the survey:
Among the general population, 51% of Republicans knew what the Court decided last week. Just 35% of Democrats were able to do so.
Hmmmm…..
Naaman, How do you feel about Hal’s assumption that your story is not completely true?
SoMG:
Why are they silly questions? That’s a weird — perhaps even silly — assertion.
http://pewforum.org/docs/index.php?DocID=91
Heather4life wrote:
Naaman, How do you feel about Hal’s assumption that your story is not completely true?
I answered him on the comments thread for that post. Jill asked if she could post my story. Since I used to have my own blog, I already had a copy ready for the web. We trimmed it a bit for length (I’m very wordy), and Jill posted it.
Bluntly put, I’m not out to convince anyone of anything. That’s a job for the Holy Spirit. My job is simply to witness to the truth. Every word in that story is true. Hal doesn’t have to believe it if he doesn’t want to believe it. It’s up to him.
SOMG, 10:05p, said: “These are silly questions to ask. Try a real question: ‘Should the government ban abortion?’ and see what you get.”
SOMG, your attempt to dismiss the questions fall flat. As you know, the questions betray the schizophrenia of Americans on abortion. They don’t like it but if asked your question, more would answer yes than no at this time, I think.
That said, if your question were asked piecemeal, answers would still sway our way, i.e., “Do you support partial birth abortion?” “Do you support third trimester abortions for convenience?” “Do you support second trimester abortions for convenience?” “Do you support D&E (described) abortions?” etc.
If Americans are educated, and if pointed questions rather than esoteric questions are asked of them, they are more pro-life than pro-abortion.
JK, 6:03a, said: “You guys aren’t as persecuted as you would like to believe, as demonstrated in Jill’s polls”
JK, “persecuted”? That’s an odd word to use. The ones we actually feel who are persecuted are the babies.
Naaman, 6:58a, thanks for drawing attention to that point, which demonstrates pro-abortion ignorance on the topic.
Thanks Naaman.
What fascinates me about pro-choice incredulity toward stories such as Naaman’s, is that it reflects an a priori sense that once one is pro-choice, the alternative viewpoint could never possibly come to be seen as anything but utterly misguided. To such pro-choice, Naaman’s story is unlikely not because of any evidence, but because it’s not considered in principle possible.
In other words, such pro-choice are very out of touch with reality. Things just CANNOT BE the way they, um, actually are. ;-)
As a bit of an aside to the “are abortions too hard to access” question, I looked into some “I’m not sorry posts”.
It really made my stomach turn when the women lamented having to “go to Kansas” to get their late term abortion. Ugh, I can just see Tiller bringing in women far and wide to his “clinic”. It makes me sad because my father’s family is from Kansas, but than’s to Tiller we all know of it as the abortion capital of the midwest.
Pro choicers don’t like conversion stories. I think they get jealous that someone else has left that dark pit. They are still stuck in bondage. Hal really seems to have a problem with things. He is so jealous of His Man. Why? I think it’s because of His Man’s strong faith. Hal is lacking that at the present time.
Lauren, Isn’t that post disgraceful?
Lauren, I meant that I’m Not Sorry site.
I knew what you meant :). Mostly I just find it really sad. So often they say “I’m not sorry” then procede to say all the ways that they are. Like they HAVE to say “everything’s ok” when the reality is much different.
Heather,
Are you frikkin’ serious? Pro-choice people are jealous of pro-lifers?
That’s news to me.
Yes. Very serious. Hal is.Why does he always bring up His Man?
Stephanie, What do you think about Naaman’s conversion?
Lauren, I noticed that too.
Bethany,
If he found that he identified more with the pro-life than pro-choice movement, good for him. It still doesn’t change my view on the matter. I try to understand why it happened for curiosity’s sake, but I don’t think I could since I am not a religious person.
I’m just sad that he demonizes pro-choice activism, when pro-life activists can be equally “hard” and “fanatical”. I also found it sad that there had to be a presence of a escort to PP in the first place.
By the way, I just noticed.
Why did they only survey 1,000 people? A bit unreliable, don’t you think?
1000 people is more than enough for primary questions. If the survey breaks down answers for further specified questions, the results get less reliable. But the margins of error are well understood in these surveys, and if properly done 1000 is a darned standard sample.
Given that, it’s the framing of the questions that’s pretty important.
I also found it sad that there had to be a presence of a escort to PP in the first place.
They are not there to offset any trouble we are causing. They are there to keep the men and women from stopping and talking with us. They didn’t even show up to our clinic until we started being effective.
There goal is not to give the woman a choice, but to take her choice away. If it was truly about choice, they would gladly walk them over to us, let them hear what we have to say, and then escort them in. But they don’t. They do everything they can to make sure that our information NEVER reaches them.
We have never yelled, called names, or acted accusatory in any way. We basically say, “here is some information and just so you know, there is a womens center down the street that will give you free help.” That’s it. But they won’t even let us do that. Where is this “choice” you are always spouting off about.
I’d be a rich woman if I had a dollar for every woman that has told me she wished “we” had been there when she came for her abortion.
The real issue here is that you are afraid that if enough people are informed of the true nature of abortion, that your precious “right” to murder your children might be taken away!
You claim we only care about the “UNBORN” and not the women, and I say YOU only care about yourselves. Not the women, the men, the born OR the unborn…
Right MK, What exactly have you pro choicers done for women? Baby girls are aborted, women are molested and killed at the hands of abortionists. Women are exploited and lied to. Post abortive women cannot find comfort from you after abortion. How DARE you!!!
Stephanie, statistics.
Mathematically, 1,000 people, if it is a completely random, standard sample, is enough people.
Gallup polls generally use only 1,000 people, it usually produces something like a 3% margin of error. This company is usually viewed by media and general population as being unbiased.
*”This company” refers to Gallup. Not sure about the above company, I haven’t done enough research on it to say anythign about its credibility.
Well said, MK.
Who has to travel “hundreds of miles” to find an abortion doc? No one in the USA, anyway.
And Jill, you’re wrong (again). Americans consistantly reject the propostion that the government should outlaw abortion by substantial margins.
SOMG,
Tell that to the women in Mississippi and North Dakota…The girls that want second trimester abortions travel from out of state to “our” clinic all the time…
You must live in New York or LA where there is a liquor store, an adult bookstore and an abortion clinic on every corner. That can give you a false idea of American Life. There’s a whole lot of people out there livin’ in corn country that just don’t have a starbucks let alone an abortion clinic…
mk
“There goal is not to give the woman a choice, but to take her choice away. If it was truly about choice, they would gladly walk them over to us, let them hear what we have to say, and then escort them in.”
I agree. It should be that way.
“We have never yelled, called names, or acted accusatory in any way.”
You might not, but there are “sidewalk counselers” who do.
“The real issue here is that you are afraid that if enough people are informed of the true nature of abortion, that your precious “right” to murder your children might be taken away!”
No, not really.
MK, for a SECOND trimester abortion, yes, some women probably do have to travel hundreds of miles.
But not for a first-trimester abortion.
“You might not, but there are “sidewalk counselers” who do.”
Can anyone tell me where these people are? I know many pro-life people who are sidewalk counselers and it is not acceptable to yell, scream and blah blah. I’ve asked several pro-lifers about other towns and states that they have been to and they say they have never seen it. So where are these people?
Well…I know for sure there are many of them in New York, reported by a Planned Parenthood intern. I also know a girl who went to PP to get birth control and she was accosted by some old woman who proceeded to tell her, “We can help with you and your unborn baby!”, and when that was wrong, “we can help you get a better job!”, and when that was STILL wrong, “we can help with your lifestyle choices!”
But again, I know that not all of counselers are this way.
Perhaps I’m not getting a clear picture, but being told “we can help you” doesn’t exactly scream “acosted”.
SOMG,
MK, for a SECOND trimester abortion, yes, some women probably do have to travel hundreds of miles.
But not for a first-trimester abortion.
There are some states that only have one abortion clinic in the whole state. So unless the only women who want abortions coincidentally live down the street from this abortion clinic, then I’m afraid they would have to travel some distance…
93 percent of Alabama counties have no abortion provider
85 percent of Alaska counties have no abortion provider
80 percent of Arizona counties have no abortion provider
97 percent of Arkansas counties have no abortion provider
94 percent of Georgia counties have no abortion provider
93 percent of Idaho counties have no abortion provider
90 percent of Illinois counties have no abortion provider
96 percent of Kansas counties have no abortion provider
98 percent of Kentucky counties have no abortion provider
92 percent of Louisiana counties have no abortion provider
97 percent of Missouri counties have no abortion provider
83 percent of Michigan counties have no abortion provider
95 percent of Minnesota counties have no abortion provider
98 percent of Mississippi counties have no abortion provider
97 percent of Missouri counties have no abortion provider
91 percent of Montana counties have no abortion provider
91 percent of Montana counties have no abortion provider
97 percent of Nebraska counties have no abortion provider
88 percent of New Mexico counties have no abortion provider
98 percent of North Dakota counties have no abortion provider
91 percent of Ohio counties have no abortion provider
96 percent of Oklahoma counties have no abortion provider
94 percent of Tennessee counties have no abortion provider
93 percent of Texas counties have no abortion provider
93 percent of Utah counties have no abortion provider
96 percent of West Virginia counties have no abortion provider
93 percent of Wisconsin counties have no abortion provider
91 percent of Wyoming counties have no abortion provider
http://www.naral.org/
Sure MK, “some distance”. But the original post said “hundreds of miles”.
What I mean when I say there’s no shortage of abortion providers in the USA is this: We have enough providers to do all the abortions women want. The number of abortion providers is limited by the demand for their services. When was the last time you heard about women seeking black market abortions in the USA? Or women being forced to bear children because they couldn’t find an abortion provider? Doesn’t happen today.
SOMG,
When was the last time you heard about women seeking black market abortions in the USA? Or women being forced to bear children because they couldn’t find an abortion provider? Doesn’t happen today.>/i>
You said no one in the US had to drive hundreds of miles for an abortion. I said yes they do. Whether this is due to a shortage of abortion doctors or not is between you and Heather.
I’m just saying that there are cases where abortion clinics, for a myriad of reasons, are scarce, women do indeed have to travel hundreds of miles to obtain one.
mk
It sort of depends on the kind of state too. Most of the states listed above are pretty conservative so it’s likely there’s not a lot of demand for abortion services there.
PIP,
That’s over half the states. And I only posted the ones that were 85% or more.
I can only think of two that were less than 25%.
New Jersey and Hawaii…
If I put in the 75% we could prob. add 10 or more.
I’m not saying there is a shortage because of a lack of doctors. Many of these shortages are due to state laws. I don’t care what the reasons are. I just want to see more of it!
mk
OK, perhaps, in ultra-rural areas, where you have to travel hundreds of miles to find any specialist.
Places where they offer to pay your med-school loans if you’ll go there and be a primary-care doc.
In any event, there are worse things than having to drive a hundred miles.
SOMG,
In any event, there are worse things than having to drive a hundred miles.
Yeah you could be the three month old “fetus” of a mother that just drove 150 miles to have you ripped to pieces and sucked into a machine…
There could definitely be worse things.
Ya. Or you just might live through the abortion, and have deformities. You could be put onto a shelf in an abortion clinic to die alone. That could be worse.
Or you could be killed or maimed by the incompetent abortionist. Could suffer life long depression from the abortion. Much worse than driving 100 miles.
Stephanie –
“You might not, but there are “sidewalk counselers” who do.”
“Well…I know for sure there are many of them in New York, reported by a Planned Parenthood intern. I also know a girl who went to PP to get birth control and she was accosted by some old woman who proceeded to tell her, “We can help with you and your unborn baby!”, and when that was wrong, “we can help you get a better job!”, and when that was STILL wrong, “we can help with your lifestyle choices!” ”
A planned parenthood intern? You’ve got to be kidding me? Like that person doesn’t have an agenda. A planned parenthood “intern” where I lived claimed a girl was harrassed by volenteers at a CPC that was “next door to PP and shared a parking lot”. Maybe that intern should have actually gone to that PP. The CPC was 3 buildings away and the parking lot that was “shared” was a parking garage that ALL the business on that side of the street shared. oh, did I forget to mention that the CPC wasn’t even open at that time and no one was there. It was PP way of trying to get them to leave by spreading lies. All the blogs got that “information” of how the CPC people even went to this girls school and told all her friends about the abortion. Yet, it never showed up in any newspaper. Even though the police were called, according to the PP intern.
And you have 2nd hand knowledge of a girl who was “accosted” by one woman.
Do you actually know anything 1st hand that isn’t from biased information?
you see, the pro-aborts hate the sidewalk counslers because we tell women the truth. There may be a select few who yell and scream, but they are difficult to find. They are not the norm, but you wouldn’t know that if you listened to PP, NOW, and NAF.
If I may repeat what Stephanie said earlier, Valerie the story she gave us is BullC***!
I agree with SoMG.
The questions son;t reveal anything new. Americans have always had an ambivalent relation to abortion, finding it wrong when asked but at the same time they are upholding the legality of abortion by a majority for the past 3 decades now. This majority becomes a situationary majority when asked specific questions regarding the legality of abortion.
But, according to Gallup and other poles, a slight majority is in favor of keeping abortion legal. Seems like there are some people who can differentiate between what they find emotionally wrong and what makes sense in the wider picture.
Joe,
Seems like there are some people who can differentiate between what they find emotionally wrong and what makes sense in the wider picture.
MK
do the 45 000 000 million people missing affect your life, your family, your country or world peace in any way? They only affect your mind but you know there are ways of dealing with that.
Abortions in the US existed prior to Roe vs. Wade. Moral degradation is tied up with the general chnages in society which are observable all throughout the world. Roe v. Wade did not trigger that.
And you are still not reading my posts correctly. I did not say abortion was not an emotional issue. Your response doesn;t even make sense. Women who scream I want I want, how many have you met, or seen in statistics, who do that? As usual you are generalizing and judging to your hearts content, your wolrd must be so simple I envy you.
All I was saying is that accoridng to the data of the last 30 years, most Americans are able to see that while they feel abortion is terrible, banning it is neither the answer nor desirable.
Banning murder IS the answer!
Valerie – you asked me if where there was bad counselers, and I provided an account. When Heather provides her “evidence” of women regretting their abortions, they are all first/second hand knowledge, yet you never question her.
That intern has been booed at, hissed at, called every name under the sun, told her that God hates her, Jesus hates her, that she deserved to have a miscarriage, threatened bodily harm, followed to her car, and had her car keyed. And I trust her to tell the truth.
Heather, if you’re going to call me a liar, tell me what you think I’m lying about.
And for the record, the stories of the the women you know who’ve had abortions – I think those are bullcrap too.
“you see, the pro-aborts hate the sidewalk counslers because we tell women the truth. There may be a select few who yell and scream, but they are difficult to find. They are not the norm, but you wouldn’t know that if you listened to PP, NOW, and NAF.”
I hate sidewalk counselers IF they are idiotic, hateful, angry people. If not, and the women want to listen to them, I don’t care because I want what’s best for HER.
The yellers and screamers are NOT uncommon, are you kidding me? And I don’t listen to any of the above organizations.
Heather
“Banning murder IS the answer!”
Aww cute. The answer for what? To answer to giving you a sense of achievement?
Please give me some statistics of a country that had a drop in abortion rates when abortion was banned. Or, give me some abortion statistics of a country where abortion has never really been legal. I suggest bribe yourself for unpleasant surprises. Unless, you don;t really care about abortion itself but as I said, only about you feeling good about living in a country whose laws entirely converge with your idea of morality.
Stephanie,
If I saw some of them keying my car I would probably key certain body parts of theirs :-P.
Yes Joe. It sure does.
I wish it was Stephanie. You pro choice people are always so quick to call RTL’s “liars.” How DARE you label yourself pro woman Stephanie. You too Joe. Typical of the pro death crowd!!!
Stephanie and Joe, 4000 abortions a day? Do either one of you want to explain how it is that I could not know ANYONE suffering from abortion? Are there 4000 rape or incest victims a day? I think not. Don’t trivialize any ones pain Stephanie. Perhaps you have aborted and don’t have pain, but there are lots of women that DO. I have also posted several sites that will support the fact that I didn’t make this up.
Joe, Who likes abortion? Answer: Irresponsible women/men!!!!
That intern has been booed at, hissed at, called every name under the sun, told her that God hates her, Jesus hates her, that she deserved to have a miscarriage, threatened bodily harm, followed to her car, and had her car keyed. And I trust her to tell the truth.
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I guess that’s where you went wrong.
Joe,
Women who scream I want I want, how many have you met,
I want to finish school. I want to make money.
I want my body back. I want to have sex with no responsibilities. I want no inconveniences in my life. I want total freedom to do anything that I want….wah, wah, wah…
I don’t need statistics. Your entire argument is based on pregnancy getting in the way of what “you want”…
Joe,
You talk of abortion rates and laws. Let’s be realistic, no law is going to stop anyone determined to commit an illegal act. If laws did stop criminal acts, then we would have no need for prisons, police officers, or courts.
Its interesting to note that in countries where abortion was legalized, there was no drop in the illegal abortion rate. One theory was that women preferred illegal abortion so as to better protect their privacy. Years ago I read that in one European country, I believe it was France, there were women called “angels” who were trained from generation to generation to perform abortions. Women had learned to seek them out and trust them. Guess what happened when abortion was legalized in this country? The “angels'” business continued to thrive, despite the best efforts by lawmakers to put them out of business. It was just determined that women preferred the privacy(no forms to fill out, no questions asked) that the “angels” provided as well as the fact that these were the people these women had learned to trust over generations. This is who your grandmother, mother, or sister sought out, so why change?
I knew a nurse who worked in a New York City emergency room who told me of seeing women come in after attempting self induced or illegal abortions. I was surprised to hear this and asked her if these women couldn’t have obtained legal abortions. The nurse couldn’t contain her laughter. She said in NYC they’re given away! There are abortion clinics on every street corner, and anyone that who wants one can get one, no matter how dirt poor you are, you can get one. When I asked why then women would self induce or seek out illegal abortions her response was simply “I’ll be d—– if I know”.
Yes abortion always has and will be with us, but so has rape and murder. Society cannot condone certain acts simply because people will commit them anyway. For a long time there was an “ambivalence” about rape as well. Women “asked for it”, men were “enticed”, who could blame the poor guy, and who would rape someone that homely? A mentality I’m sorry to say is still alive and doing well. A rape victim could be dragged through the mud and subjected to every humiliation while her attacker enjoyed all legal rights and protection. It was almost impossible to get a conviction. Should no effort have been made to change this with tougher laws even if attitude changes toward rape and its victims would take a long time to catch up? What about civil rights? There was certainly deep ambivalence about that as well. Again, should nothing have been done to change or enforce laws in this area? After all, you can’t force people to love each other.
Mary, I always learn so much from reading your posts!
Mary, That is so odd that there was legal abortion, yet the women still chose self induction. Thanks for a terrific post!
Great answers MK and Bethany!!! Bravo!
Heather4life
Thank you for your kind remarks. It does seem odd but people don’t always do what we would consider the more sensible or rational thing to do. Very possibly these women were just trying to protect their privacy or another possiblity is they were suffering from some kind of mental disorder. I knew another nurse who told me and anyone who would listen how she was going to self-abort had she been pregnant, which thankfully she wasn’t. I suppose if it could have been done the way she said then she would have better protected her privacy, plus saved herself the time and hassle of going to a clinic, so that might well have made the risk worth it to her. She was also someone who’s mental stability was highly questionable by most everyone she encountered so who knows what her rationale was.
Mary, I do know a woman that claims that she did self abort. This confused me because it was only a few years ago, and abortion was legal. I don’t condone abortion, but the human mind never ceases to amaze me.
Heather4life,
Concerning your comment about the human mind. I read the book “And I Don’t Want To Live This Life” by Deborah Spungen about the life of her mentally ill daughter Nancy. While Nancy was in her early teens she induced a “self abortion”. At the hospital, it was determined that Nancy had never been pregnant,also a physical anamoly made it unlikely for her to ever be pregnant, so why she would do this was anyone’s guess.
Anyway, Nancy would continue to maintain she had induced a self abortion. Her mother was convinced that this was just another attempt at self destruction by a girl who had attempted suicide by slashing her wrists at age eleven and the “illegal abortion” was just a fantasy she had concocted as she was growing more unstable. This account was why I raised the question of mental stability also being a factor.
“How DARE you label yourself pro woman Stephanie. You too Joe. Typical of the pro death crowd!!”
Oh, I dare! *rolls eyes*
“Stephanie and Joe, 4000 abortions a day? Do either one of you want to explain how it is that I could not know ANYONE suffering from abortion? Are there 4000 rape or incest victims a day? I think not.”
What is your point here? I never said that you didn’t know anyone who had an abortion. I don’t know a single one.
I was trying to say that you can’t dismiss my first/second hand knowledge of bad pro-life counselers as false when you claim that your accounts are legit.
“Don’t trivialize any ones pain Stephanie.”
Have I done this, ever? Show me where I have done this.
“Perhaps you have aborted and don’t have pain, but there are lots of women that DO.”
You know what they say about assuming, Heather. To assume is to make an ass of you and me. Don’t be an ass.
“I have also posted several sites that will support the fact that I didn’t make this up.”
Ok, sure. There’s also a site that shows that women don’t feel regret after an abortion. You know which one I’m talking about.
Bethany,
“I guess that’s where you went wrong.”
Excuse me? How do you know I went wrong? Do you know this girl? If I went wrong with trusting this PP intern, then you most definetly went wrong when you trust Heather’s accounts of women who have aborted.
Excuse me? How do you know I went wrong? Do you know this girl? If I went wrong with trusting this PP intern, then you most definetly went wrong when you trust Heather’s accounts of women who have aborted.
lol Do you realize what a hypocrite you are? It’s quite funny.
You come on this site, telling us we’re spouting “bullcrap” when we talk about women’s accounts of post partum depression, and even when we share evidence that this exists.
But when you decide to use hearsay from a Planned Parenthood worker (abortion salesperson) in your argument, you expect us to fully believe your words over ours?
What makes your opinion more valid than ours? If we’re just sharing opinions with no actual evidence behind those opinions, then it’s your words against ours.
Have we seen any real evidence at all from your side when it comes to sidewalk protester “violence”? No, dear, we haven’t.
All we keep getting are the second hand claims of an obviously biased source. Not even your own experiences. Why don’t you head towards a clinic, take a video camera with you, and see if you can catch any of those horrible pro-life protesters in the act, that way you can prove to us that you are correct and we are wrong? (Since according to you, MOST pro-life protesters are this way…you should have no problem finding this).
We have shown video tapes of pro-choicers who have been violent towards pro-life protesters, but I have yet to see a video tape of a pro-life protester who was yelling or violent towards women walking in the clinics.
And by the way, I don’t have to believe Heather’s arguments to know that women are depressed after abortion. I have come into contact with many women who have had abortions, and even though some of them still claim they are pro-choice, they have disclosed with me privately their deep felt emotions over what they did, and how every day it haunts them, and they wonder what the baby would have been like, some of them have nightmares…they think about the abortion every single day. They remember the exact date of the abortion, not just the year or the month. They can’t stop hurting inside from what they did, and they have been suicidal in their thoughts. I have tried to comfort them, but it’s very difficult to do because they are so deeply depressed.
So, I really don’t need a second hand account in order to know this exists…I have seen it personally, with my own two eyes.
Same here Bethany. Stephanie, I assure you that I haven’t made anything up. One of my friends maintains that she has no regrets about her abortion. So be it. Another will cry and cry when the subject is mentioned. She says “I can’t even bring myself to talk about my abortion.” Sure sounds like pain to me. So for as many that don’t have regrets/pain, there are just as many that do!
For Pete’s sake, Bethany.
I didn’t say that my opinion was better than yours. I was just trying to say that Heather and I have the same type (that is, second-hand knowledge) of knowledge of women who have aborted/bad pro-life counselors. You can
I was reading through my comments about the bullcrap thing. It does sound like I’m saying Heather was lying. I was trying to make a point, and I don’t think I did it in the best way.
My apologies, Heather. I did not mean to imply that you were lying or making your stories up.
Don’t worry about it Stephanie. I’m not mad.I didn’t mean to make you mad either. The bottom line is that we are all people. We have different feelings,opinions and emotions. We all have different stories to tell. I’ve never told any woman to feel guilty about her abortion. I just allow them to talk about it, if they want. I am a real good listener.
Stephanie, good luck on your finals! Thanks for letting us know. I would have worried if you just disappeared.