Get smart
Pro-Life Corner reported this, which occurred at the Northern Illinois Women’s Center abortion mill in Rockford, IL, on August 21:
Ken Plez, Pat Brady and Kevin Rilott were praying quietly for an end to abortion…. A large white truck pulled in the clinic parking lot. Mr. Rilott walked over to the driveway of the clinic, without setting foot on clinic property, to try and talk to the father and mother.
The pro-choice man got out of the truck and immediately came at Mr Rilott saying, “You shouldn’t be here, your upsetting my wife,” and started to strike Mr. Rilott in the chest, ribs, and stomach. Mr. Rilott did not strike the man back but while he was being assaulted he reached in his pocket, got his cell phone and called 911….
After the assault the pro-choice man picked up Mr. Rilott’s pro-life sign off the ground and broke it. He finally went in the abortion clinic….
After about 20 minutes a squad car finally arrived driving the speed limit with no lights or sirens…. In their slow response time the man who assaulted Mr. Rilott had time to go into the clinic for 10 to 15 minutes…. [T]hen he drove away. The pro-lifers got his license number….
A second officer arrived and was asked by the pro-lifers to go check with Mr. Webster to get his video tape…. The officer chuckled and said, “You know he’ll say he doesn’t have one.”…
[S]ure enough Mr. Webster said he forgot to start his video camera that morning, but he claimed to see the whole thing. According to Mr. Webster, Mr. Rilott attacked the man with his sign and he was just defending himself….
After Mr. Rilott left for work Mr. Webster came outside to walk his dogs, and the man who assaulted Mr. Rilott returned. They stood out in the open saying the police “won’t do anything.”
The moral of this story?
Never, ever protest or pray at a mill without your own video camera running. Come on. We all know this is Groundhog Day scenario has occurred hundreds of times over the years.
I experienced it myself as part of a protest at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge, IL. A worker came out of the hospital, ripped the expensive graphic sign out of my hands, threw it in the slushy street, and went down the row doing the same to others. With at least 20 pro-life witnesses and broken signs as evidence, the police still said it was a case of he said, she said.
And it was.
Look, abortion has carved out its own niche in the law. You never know if you’re going to get an unbiased police officer or not, an unbiased judge or not. And mill workers are killers, thugs, and liars. We should not expect justice without ensuring it as best we can. In fact, the other side has even provoked trouble, sued, and won in court. Ask Joe Scheidler.
Those who pray and protest at abortion mills are some of the most valiant on earth, standing in the gap literally between life and death. But it’s not enough to have good intentions. One of many sayings I have taped to my monitor is, “We’ve got to have people who are not just faithful but able.”
Sidewalk counselors, be smart. Never, ever protest or pray at a mill without a video camera.
[HT: LifeSiteNews.com via MK]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
First do no harm.
Protect and serve.
Yeah,Right! Don’t count on it these days.
I did hear that the Aurora cops were friendly tho.
Sounds like the loser brow beat his wife into the abortion! Karma is a bitc$!
Sounds like the loser brow beat his wife into the abortion! Karma is a bitc$!
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Sounds like that hero loves his wife.
On the other hand:
The alleged “victim” has no visible injuries that can be documented?
Mr. Webster, the neighbor, claims that he forgot to do his customary video recording ON THE ONE MORNING someone claims to be assaulted?
There’s no video of the incident from the clinic’s exterior security cameras?
Rilott claims to have made the 911 call himself DURING the attack?
Mr. Rilott went off to work without pursuing the case against his alleged attacker?
Mr. Webster didn’t alert law enforcement when the alleged attacker returned?
The alleged attacker’s wife wasn’t questioned in order to get the identity of her husband?
C’mon people. Nothing happened…
Straight from a he she.
I know of two incidents in Dallas. One where sidewalk counselors were shot at and the other where a counselor was shoved to the ground and while catching herself, broke her wrist.
So I know of violence, in some degree, against pro-lifers.
Straight from a he she.
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A what?
You heard me miss anti reproduction!
You heard me miss anti reproduction!
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Funny, our dairy practice where I work brokers frozen bull semen. I’m actually responsible for THOUSANDS of conceptions.
Hey! Did any of you watch Christina Amanpour’s CNN series on “God’s Warriors?” Last night’s segment was on Christian warriors and had a segmant on terrorist “right-to-lifers.” I thought this board would be aflame over the piece this morning. (Virtually all of my co-workers and team-penning partners are either Catholic or Mormon and VERY pro-life. None of them would ever condone that sort of violence.)
Sounds like that hero loves his wife.
tsk. tsk. So now you advocate violence Laura…?
The alleged “victim” has no visible injuries that can be documented?
Now if a cop said that to a woman that had been raped you’d blow a gasket!
Rilott claims to have made the 911 call himself DURING the attack?
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From experience I can tell you that those calls were recorded…time, etc.
If the calls show up then are you saying that Mr. Rillot just randomly called 911 three times while nothing was happening and pretended to be being beaten up at the time?
Sheesh! What an imagination!
tsk. tsk. So now you advocate violence Laura…?
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Not at all. I just think that if there was an act of violence it would have been witnessed and documented.
The alleged attacker’s wife wasn’t questioned in order to get the identity of her husband?
Yeah well, she was probably busy vacuuming…I mean being vacuumed.
MK, thank you. I missed that. Violence is now okay too!
Hey! Did any of you watch Christina Amanpour’s CNN series on “God’s Warriors?” Last night’s segment was on Christian warriors and had a segmant on terrorist “right-to-lifers.” I thought this board would be aflame over the piece this morning. (Virtually all of my co-workers and team-penning partners are either Catholic or Mormon and VERY pro-life. None of them would ever condone that sort of violence.)
We had huge storms go through here last night and Jill and I lost our cable…would love to have seen it though…
Not at all. I just think that if there was an act of violence it would have been witnessed and documented.
Sounds like that hero loves his wife.
tsk, tsk Laura. Advocating violence AND lying?
You called the man a hero. The man violently attacked someone. If he is a hero in your mind for violently attacking someone, I’m pretty sure you are advocating violence to solve problems…and then denying that you did so.
Now if a cop said that to a woman that had been raped you’d blow a gasket!
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No, not if the woman claimed to have been beaten. Many rapists use fear, coercion, threats or weapons to comit their crimes, and wouldn’t inflict any physical evidence. If a rape victim claimed a beating and had no visible damage I’d question her story.
And don’t forget that abortion clinics help to cover the tracks of rapists!!!
You called the man a hero. The man violently attacked someone. If he is a hero in your mind for violently attacking someone, I’m pretty sure you are advocating violence to solve problems…and then denying that you did so.
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I don’t think he attacked anybody. There’s no evidence to that effect and no charges have been filed. The whole story kinda stinks.
If you are pro woman, then you cannot be pro abortion!
I don’t think he attacked anybody. There’s no evidence to that effect and no charges have been filed. The whole story kinda stinks.
Then why, pray tell, did you call him a hero? Cuz you liked his hat?
And I agree. The whole story kinda stinks. But for different reasons.
Laura, read the entire post on the linked blog. I left out details for brevity.
Neverthless, you demonstrate why pro-lifers need to videotape our interactions with pro-aborts.
Then why, pray tell, did you call him a hero? Cuz you liked his hat?
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No, I believe that there was probably a verbal exchange. I believe the alleged attacker was defending his wife. I also believe that the pro-lifers were there to harass law-abiding Americans and got their little feelings hurt.
The people in front of clinics aren’t there to end abortion. They’d be lobbying in Washington or raising money for their like-minded candidates and political action committees if that was their goal. The people on the sidewalks are there to intimidate women, punish sinners, or try to shame people they regard as lesser beings.
Jill,
You know as well as I do that she’d claim the video was doctored…the woman believes a fetus and a baby are not the same thing…
Jill,
You know as well as I do that she’d claim the video was doctored…the woman believes a fetus and a baby are not the same thing…
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Not at all.
I was an animal control officer when video documentation (dash cams, evidence gathering. etc..) became standard. I was just a juror on a case where the guy was caught bold as brass on security video. Michael Vick just had to give up a lucrative career and his freedom because the video evidence against him would override the defense that $105 million dollars could buy.
I embrace video evendence. It leaves virtually NOTHING to interpretation.
Laura,
You still didn’t explain why you believed the man to be a “hero”.
And as a person who stands out in front of those clinics on a weekly basis for the last three years, in sub zero weather, freezing rain, pre-dawn hours and Saharan heat, I can assure you that we are indeed trying to stop abortion…one at a time. And considering you don’t even know me, I find it incredible that you presume to claim to understand my motives so well. Aren’t you the one always going off on people for making sweeping generalizations?
There are many people in the pro-life movement. They all do different jobs. Some moderate websites, some hold signs, some sidewalk counsel, some practice law pro-bono, some give talks around the country, some volunteer at women’s centers, some raise money and some pray. Each and every job is important and each and every job is necessary.
I have also been attacked physically and the perpetrator was punished. But most often I have been verbally abused. I have heard some of the most obscene, foul, degrading and sickening words thrown my way…on a weekly basis. And I have never called the police because someone called me a name. I am not in the habit of calling 911 and wasting their time because I had my feelings hurt.
I myself called 911 three times and it was forty minutes before the police showed up. There was even an off duty officer at the scene. As a result, he was suspended from duty, off duty police are now forbidden to work for the clinic, and the officer that attacked us has been fired. That is the one and only time that I have ever called 911 from the clinic.
I doubt that the counselors at the the Rockford clinic make a habit of calling 911 for hurt feelings either. If they did, the police would have to camp out at the clinics.
People who picket abortion clinics most certainty ARE there to stop abortion. Why do you think they show up? For their health??
Laura, perhaps it’s fine by you that innocent children are being chopped up, sucked out, thrown in trash cans, burned, and discarded like yesterdays garbage. It’s NOT okay with us! We aren’t going to stop until abortion is illegal! You are to be considered the most dangerous of the bunch. You are ANTI choice. I have never once heard you say that you would be okay with a woman keeping her baby. Now put that in your pipe, and smoke it! Gotta run!
Mr. Webster, the neighbor, claims that he forgot to do his customary video recording ON THE ONE MORNING someone claims to be assaulted?
Mr. Webber wasn’t the “neighbor” he was the clinic building owner. Why do you think the police laughed when they were asked to go get the video.
A second officer arrived and was asked by the pro-lifers to go check with Mr. Webster to get his video tape (Mr. Webster has an extensive video monitoring system covering the entire grounds of the abortion clinic). The officer chuckled and said “you know he’ll say he doesn’t have one.” When the office came out sure enough Mr. Webster said he forgot to start his video camera that morning, but he claimed to see the whole thing.
(In their slow response time the man who assaulted Mr. Rilott had time to go into the clinic for 10 to 15 minuets to talk to Wayne Webster, the clinic building owner)
Mr. Rillot also said to the officer “you know darn well if I assaulted him Mr. Webster i>would have shown you the video tape.” The officer didn’t say anything.
Heather: perhaps it’s fine by you that innocent children are being chopped up, sucked out, thrown in trash cans, burned, and discarded like yesterdays garbage. It’s NOT okay with us!
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Treating children like that is against the law. If you know of somebody treating children that way, dial 911.
Heather: You are ANTI choice. I have never once heard you say that you would be okay with a woman keeping her baby.
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What are you ranting about?
When have I ever suggested that someone shouldn’t have children?
Now you’re just making stuff up…
Laura, does the article say that the pro-lifer has no bruises? The pro-choice story was that it was “self-defense.” Which means there may have been bruises he was trying to explain away.
As for the ODD “coincidence” of the video camera not being on that one morning — how exactly does that prove the pro-lifer is lying? If anything, it’s suspicious in the other direction! Saying, “Yes, I normally have a camera going, but today when this man I don’t like claims he was attacked on my property, no I forgot to turn it on…” How does that at all look bad for the pro-lifer????
OF COURSE the clinic owner is going to side with the guy who attacked one of the protesters ruining his business!! Once, when I was in junior high, I called foul on the wrong girl during a basketball game. Her little group of friends surrounded me to keep the teachers from noticing as she tried to beat me up. When she got caught, OF COURSE her friends said I hit her first. You gonna say I must be lying because her “witnesses” — aka accomplices — all had the same story?
And how exactly is he gonna pursue this when the cops don’t care?
No, not if the woman claimed to have been beaten. Many rapists use fear, coercion, threats or weapons to comit their crimes, and wouldn’t inflict any physical evidence. If a rape victim claimed a beating and had no visible damage I’d question her story.
I didn’t say she had claimed to be beaten. I said she claimed to be raped. And if a cop said to her that he didn’t see any visible signs of a rape, you’d blow a gasket. Are you saying that you rape is bad unless you’ve been beaten also?
Treating children like that is against the law. If you know of somebody treating children that way, dial 911.
What if she dialed 911 and the cops came and said they didn’t see any visible signs of abuse?
Laura,
I have a serious question for you. As an animal control officer, what were your responsibilities if you found a litter of newborn kittens or puppies abandoned by their mother.
Just curious.
Call 911? What can they do? This stuff is legal!
“I embrace video evendence. It leaves virtually NOTHING to interpretation.”
Fascinating. Then please, PLEASE watch the Frontline Aborttion clinic documentary, the youtubes that MK posted on the Planned Parenthood thread, and let us know how liberating choice is. It leaves virutally NOTHING to interpretation.
Abortion has been legal for 34 years. Seems as though things are worse because of it. Even when the PBA ban passed, you guys started your pi$$ing and moaning! Are you ever happy? What in the heck has abortion solved? Name 1 social problem.
Abortion has been legal for 34 years. Seems as though things are worse because of it. Even when the PBA ban passed, you guys started your pi$$ing and moaning! Are you ever happy? What in the heck has abortion solved? Name 1 social problem.
Heather, do you think anybody really “promised” that legal abortion would “solve” societal problems? Less unwanted kids is a worthy goal, but it’s crazy to think there will be zero, things being what they are.
That darn NASA space program has been going on for quite a while too…..
Doug
Ooooooo Carder,
Good one!
Fascinating. Then please, PLEASE watch the Frontline Aborttion clinic documentary, the youtubes that MK posted on the Planned Parenthood thread, and let us know how liberating choice is. It leaves virutally NOTHING to interpretation.
I am a pro lifer and I am ashamed of our fellow
countrymen and women who think that all their
problems will be solved by murdering their un-wanted babies. Yes! I said “BABIES’!!! You can
call it by any name you please, but what abortionists are doing is wholly murder! I am a
Christian and I am not ashamed to say so! I have
been guilty of many things and I have repented of them all, I KNOW that I have been forgiven and
I am redeemed through faith, but, I am here to
tell you that as soon as a baby has been con-
ceived it is ALIVE, A TRUE GIFT FROM GOD HIMSELF!
The baby did not conceive himself/herself! It
wasn’t the baby’s fault that the mother was
raped, or had sexual relations out of wedlock,
also created by God for men and women, the baby
is not to blame that it was conceived “at the
wrong time”, by parents that “just weren’t ready
to have a child, or “another” child at this time”. How shameful the “partial birth abortions”
are! How can people say that a child that is
fully and totally formed in the womb is just a
fetus? Who do you think that they are trying to
fool, only themselves!! I truly pray that some-
day that the blinders will come off of their eyes
because the Bible tells us that when we have to
stand before Jesus Christ at the White Throne
Judgement we will have to answer for “everything”
that we have done, said, and thought that was
against the word of God the Father. Our Father
gave His most WONDERFUL AND EXCELLENT SON, JESUS
ALL POWER ON HEAVEN AND THE EARTH WHEN HE ASCEND-
ED TO HEAVEN TO SIT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE
FATHER!! JESUS IS LORD, AND HE IS OUR JUDGE!! I
dont’t want my life to reflect murder and sin
both know and unknown! I proclaim Him my Savior
and my LORD, FOREVER AND EVER!!