RU a tramp?
As reported by Family Research Council today:
On Wednesday the New England Journal of Medicine published a study examining the effect of the abortifacient, RU-486, on women’s chances of later having tubal (ectopic) pregnancies or miscarriages….
The results were released to Time, the Associated Press, and Reuters, which splashed grossly misleading headlines like: “Study Finds Abortion Pill Safe” (Time).
Actually, the researchers concluded only that there was the same risk to women and child of future miscarriages if they had used RU-486 or had a surgical abortion.
Stopping on that point, as Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, quipped, “This study is like comparing whether it is worse to burn your hand on a gas stove or an electric stove. You still end up burned.” Continuing on:
The new study is problematic because it did not examine other, short-term risks, and it did not compare RU-486 and surgical abortion patients to women with no abortion history.
Thus, this study says nothing about future pregnancy outcomes for RU-486 patients versus women who never have abortions – a true measure of longer-term RU-486 safety.
The authors, including an NIH scientist, laid down the following unbelievable spin to explain the omission: “….women who have never had an abortion tend to have a different pattern of income, smoking rates and other health-related behaviors that would make a comparison difficult….”
Riiiiiight. More likely – but not politically correct – is that women who have abortions have a higher risk of future negative pregnancy outcomes. HHS Secretary Leavitt needs to look into having this study re-done using proper methodology and unbiased scientists.
The authors basically said women who don’t abort are higher class, as they say, “don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t chew, and don’t run with boys who do.” Don’t sleep around either.
Are abortion supporters going to take characterization that lying down?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
In the words of Stan Marsh from South Park, “This is pretty f**ked up right here.”
That’s pretty sketchy stuff. Pushing someone into a certain category just because of a statistic? I happen to know a lot of lower-class girls who are pro-life and would never have an abortion. They smoke, drink, cuss, fight, and have had sex, and they also would never have an abortion. OH NO! all of a sudden that makes them higher-class! That’s like me saying that I can live the crudest, rudest life in the world and refuse to get a vasectomy and be high class.
Bah to that. I say let’em profile whoever they want, and let them reap what they sow, cause I guaruntee someone will get ticked off and smack the stupid know-it-all’s upside the head.
PP seems to think so, why else would they put their clinics where they do???
RU486 is not safe.
Searle, the makers of Cytotec (misoprostol), issued a warning letter in August of 2000 and sent it to all abortion providers.
http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/safety/2000/cytote.htm
IMPORTANT DRUG WARNING CONCERNING UNAPPROVED USE OF INTRAVAGINAL OR ORAL MISOPROSTOL IN PREGNANT WOMEN FOR INDUCTION OF LABOR OR ABORTION
Dear Health Care Provider:
The purpose of this letter is to remind you that Cytotec administration by any route is contraindicated in women who are pregnant because it can cause abortion. Cytotec is not approved for the induction of labor or abortion.
Cytotec is indicated for the prevention of NSAID (nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, including aspirin)-induced gastric ulcers in patients at high risk of complications from gastric ulcer, e.g., the elderly and patients with concomitant debilitating disease, as well as patients at high risk of developing gastric ulceration, such as patients with a history of ulcer.
The uterotonic effect of Cytotec is an inherent property of prostaglandin E1(PGE1), of which Cytotec is stable, orally active, synthetic analog. Searle has become aware of some instances where Cytotec, outside of its approved indication, was used as a cervical ripening agent prior to termination of pregnancy, or for induction of labor, in spite of the specific contraindications to its use during pregnancy.
Serious adverse events reported following off-label use of Cytotec in pregnant women include maternal or fetal death; uterine hyperstimulation, rupture or perforation requiring uterine surgical repair, hysterectomy or salpingo-oophorectomy; amniotic fluid embolism; severe vaginal bleeding, retained placenta, shock, fetal bradycardia and pelvic pain.
Searle has not conducted research concerning the use of Cytotec for cervical ripening prior to termination of pregnancy or for induction of labor, nor does Searle intend to study or support these uses. Therefore, Searle is unable to provide complete risk information for Cytotec when it is used for such purposes. In addition to the known and unknown acute risks to the mother and fetus, the effect of Cytotec on the later growth, development and functional maturation of the child when Cytotec is used for induction of labor or cervical ripening has not been established.
Searle promotes the use of Cytotec only for its approved indication. Please read the enclosed updated complete Prescribing Information for Cytotec.
Further information may be obtained by calling 1-800-323-4204.
Michael Cullen, MD
Medical Director, U.S., Searle
Sarah,
Wow! Awesome post. Thanks!
Thanks MK.
Jill,
You’re quote of the day only tells half the story…
“[S]uppose no one knew about a mother’s pregnancy except the mother herself, and she delivered the baby alone, with no one but she and her baby to know that the baby even existed. No one else would be hurt by the baby’s death. Would it still be wrong?”
To get the full impact you need to read Dougs answer…chilling.
Bethany, if the whole United States had no problem with infanticide, then I wouldn’t either, and I’d say it’s morally acceptable (same as every other American in that case). I realize that birth as the dividing line for right-to-life is arbitrary. It doesn’t “have” to be there. It could be later or earlier.
Jill, you know perfectly well that early abortion, whether by suction, medication, or sharp curettage, does not affect future pregnancy outcomes.
Sarah, RU-486 and cytotec (misoprostol) are different drugs. You cannot conclude, from a letter about cytotec, that RU-486 (mifepristone) is unsafe.
Oh… And as usual I forgot to comment on the original post:
This is from the Time article, “Between 2003 and 2006, seven women
Jill, you know perfectly well that early abortion, whether by suction, medication, or sharp curettage, does not affect future pregnancy outcomes.
That conclusion was based on a study performed in California that was constructed in a very interesting way. The researchers went to an obstetric ward and interviewed women who had just undergone normal vaginal deliveries. Many of these women had undergone prior induced abortions. In this group (women who had normal vaginal deliveries), there was no statistically significant difference in duration of labor or fetal distress. The study’s authors then concluded that abortion causes no problem with future pregnancies.
Do you see the flaw? They deliberately chose a population who, by definition, had not had any adverse outcome, who had just undergone normal vaginal deliveries at term, thus carefully excluding women who did have problems.
This is akin to standing at the finish line of the Boston Marathon and asking the runners if they’d ever been shot. From this research, you could conclude that gunshot injuries had no impact on one’s mobility. Meanwhile, people who were left paralizyed or otherwise unable to run marathons would be invisible to the researchers.
All the research found is that some women do not have problems. That doesn’t mean there’s no risk, any more than the fact that some people (Dick Cheney’s lawyer, for example), emerge pretty much unscathed from gunshot wounds. There existence doesn’t disprove the existence of people who did suffer ill effects.
Abortion is well known to increase the risk of ectopic pregnancy. It’s known to increase the risk of cervical incompetence, placenta previa, premature labor, and low birth weight.
Just because one flawed study came up with a conclusion you like doesn’t mean that the study in question trumps all the other research in the US and abroad.
RU-486 and cytotec (misoprostol) are different drugs. You cannot conclude, from a letter about cytotec, that RU-486 (mifepristone) is unsafe.
Cytotec is one of the two drugs in the RU-486 regimen. If it’s not safe, how can following it three days later with another drug change that?
Joe,
There are plenty of pious individuals who attend state colleges, they may be catholics like you, a lot may be, in fact, better Christians than you. Just because someone doesn’t have the money (read: mommy or daddy with a cushy job) to attend a private school doesn’t mean they are morally reprehensible people. You met one girl, so what? How many people go to SIU? I know two and they are just fine people. I know plenty of good Christian people who attend state colleges.
It is always a mistake to assume the pro-aborts care more about women than they do about their agenda.
Okay, Defund, tell me this,
If a bill were written that guaranteed today that abortion would become totally 100% illegal tomorrow, and no woman in the rest of this world would ever have an abortion again, but it required the ritual slaughter of one Muslim person to truly put it into effect, would you support this bill?
Keller,
Change “muslim” to Christian and I bet you’d have volunteers. Probably would even in the Muslim population as they are also pro-life. Heck, if I was guaranteed that no more abortion would EVER take place, I’d volunteer myself!
Christina, that was an excellent example.
Jkeller, I know the question isn’t for me, but my answer would be that it depends on which muslim you’re referring to. If you’re talking about someone like Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, sure!
Danny,
Since I have you here, the snake is green and brown. Thanks.
Defund,
I see you are another Irish Catholic. Love the Wolftones, love Chesterton…Welcome to the site!
Good morning Mary…
Mornin’ Bethany…
Mornin’ Keller…
How come we’re all up this early on a Saturday Morning?
Good morning!! :)
I’ve been up since about 6:30. With 3 kids, it’s not really possible to stay in bed much longer than that. haha
Hope you’re all having a good day so far!
Good morning all.
Are we all addicted or what?
I know I am!
Good Morning All….
A message to pro-choice Catholic politicians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHmn13v7Ts
WOW! A powerful message!
Good morning MK and everyone else!
MK
I’m up this early sitting on my ever expanding lazy backside addicted to this blog and all you fantastic people on it. Do I have a lot else I could be doing? Certainly, but I like this best of all!
Mary, LOL! I managed to make some coffee. I have yet to cook breakfast. I just can’t pry myself away!
Afternoon, all.
RU a tramp?
This cracked me up.
MK: To get the full impact you need to read Dougs answer…chilling.
“Bethany, if the whole United States had no problem with infanticide, then I wouldn’t either”
Joe: This is a terrific quote! I?ll bet Doug learned this in a state college.
Good grief…. Bethany stated a hypothetical question and I answered. I’m American, so by definition she answered her own question. Later on I said that I am not for infanticide.
If you are an American, and if the whole United States has no problem with eating cheese, then do you have a problem with eating cheese?
How hard do you think this is?
Doug
Doug,
Sorry, but you lost me there. Cheese? If I am an American and the whole United States has no problem with cheese, what? Will I also have no problem with cheese? Cuz if that’s what you are saying, I gotta tell you, I don’t base anything I believe solely on the basis of whether the rest of America believes it. If every single American stood up tomorrow and declared themselves pro-choice, I would still be pro-life. Do you actually form your sense of right and wrong based on what the majority believes? Tell me your’re kidding…please!
Joe: 12 years ago I was on a camping trip with a bunch of my friends in Lake Murphysboro, IL near Southern Illinois University. While on this trip, I had the privilege of hanging out with a few college girls, one of which I got into the ?it?s all relative? argument. My point to a college girl, who?s opinion was very similar to Doug?s, was to point to a tree and say, ?If we all agreed that this tree weighed only 5 pounds, would it??. She replied, ?Yes, it would?. We all had a good laugh at our state college educated peers that evening.
Joe, morality is relative, yes, but that is not saying “it’s all relative.”
The tree has a certain mass. That is physical reality. And we have an already agreed-upon standard of weight, the Avoirdupois system, where the tree will constitute so many units of measurement.
If we agree upon a different standard, then yes, the number of units will change, by definition. Same as for a gov’t issuing a new currency, as “One New Dollar equals 100 old Dollars.” That kind of thing does happen, from time to time.
So of course you could agree on different terminology or different definitions. It would not change the tree’s physical reality, but that is not dependent on the mind’s consideration of it, 180 degrees different from morality.
Or was it just a tiny tree? ; )
MK: If I am an American and the whole United States has no problem with cheese, what? Will I also have no problem with cheese? Cuz if that’s what you are saying, I gotta tell you, I don’t base anything I believe solely on the basis of whether the rest of America believes it.
Sigh…. MK, it’s not what you believe right now that is in question, there. The premise is that no American has a problem with cheese. Okay, so all Americans are okay with cheese, right? Now then, in this questsion you are an American. So, do you have a problem with cheese or not?
Surely you can see that in this example you do not have a problem with cheese.
All balls are blue. You are a ball. What color are you? The logic here is not all that convoluted.
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If every single American stood up tomorrow and declared themselves pro-choice, I would still be pro-life. Do you actually form your sense of right and wrong based on what the majority believes? Tell me your’re kidding…please!
MK, I am pretty sure I told Bethany that as things are right now, even if everybody else was for infanticide, I would not be for it. (And that is what Bethany was really asking.) I am not for it.
I also said something to the effect that if I’d grown up with everybody else being for it, then it might be different, and that that’s true for everybody. I can go back and quote exactly what I said I you want. Some people have a tendency to quote things and interpret things out of context.
To answer your last question – (on important issues) no, I do not take my sense of right and wrong from what the majority believes. It is also not as simple as that, in the first place. If I feel strongly about a thing, then it doesn’t matter to me what other people think. I disagree with the majority of people (at least among Americans) on some things right now.
If it’s not a big deal, like which side of the road to drive on, then I may well go with majority opinion. “If it’s fine with most people then I’m okay with it too.” (And good grief – this is not about infanticide now.) Much of our society’s dictates and the rules we mostly follow in our daily lives are this way, for all of us. It wouldn’t really be “bad” for us if things were different, but the system works best when all or most people agree and do things the same way. Even in the moral sense, there are some things where I would go with majority opinion. But I would not do that for many things, also.
I am a big believer in cheese, by the way.
Doug
Doug,
>> morality is relative, yes, but that is not saying “it’s all relative.”
If morality IS relative, then all things would be relative. The implication here is that morality is based on things that are true. Like a tree having a specific weight. Just because our teachers may say morality is relative doesn
Jkeller,
>> There are plenty of pious individuals who attend state colleges
What are you getting all upset about? My point wasn
Doug,
Well I’m relieved to hear it! I also love cheese, although I love butter more.
Somewhere tho, I can’t remember where, you were saying that you believe every thing is arbitrary and that it can change at any given moment…including whether or not infanticide is morally right. Something about the definition of when life should be protected…
I’ve been on vacation and had to read a lot of stuff really fast, and with Jill throwin’ up a new post every 20 minutes, things got deleted before I could really enter the debate…
Do you remember what I’m talking about? I’d like to continue that discussion…
Christana, excellent post @ 1:58 a.m. Thankyou.
Joe,
I was never taught some underhanded state agenda in state college. My college’s “agenda” as the flagship university of the state, was to provide the state’s young people with a college education so they could get careers and not be stuck in the tobacco fields or coal mines the rest of their lives. This seems like a pretty well meaning “agenda”
MK,
I was up so early because I had a job interview. Learning the state college “agenda” has obviously worked out well for me. :-)
Outrageous misinformation/lie.
“RU-486 and cytotec (misoprostol) are different drugs. You cannot conclude, from a letter about cytotec, that RU-486 (mifepristone) is unsafe.”
SOMG @12:14 a.m.
For the benefit of correcting the above.
RU486 is a 2 step process. Firstly 600mg of Mifepristone is taken at an abortion clinic. Two days later you are instructed to insert MISOPROSTOL suppositories into your vagina (alternatively you may take 2 pills orally). Misoprostol produces uterine contractions and causes the cervix to dilate. It is Misoprostol that will cause expulsion of foetus/baby, placenta, and the lining of the womb.
Mary,
Green and Brown, huh? Can you be a bit more descriptive, or send me a picture?
MK,
How was the vacation? Irishfest is amazing!
Joe: If morality IS relative, then all things would be relative. The implication here is that morality is based on things that are true. Like a tree having a specific weight. Just because our teachers may say morality is relative doesn
MK: Well I’m relieved to hear it! I also love cheese, although I love butter more.
Ha! I like butter too, MK. I sometimes just take a little piece of butter and eat it. And you can put butter on soooo many things….
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Somewhere tho, I can’t remember where, you were saying that you believe every thing is arbitrary and that it can change at any given moment…including whether or not infanticide is morally right. Something about the definition of when life should be protected… Do you remember what I’m talking about? I’d like to continue that discussion…
It’s not that “every” thing is arbitrary, it’s that everything in the moral realm is subjective. I know you disagree, but what I think I was saying about protecting life is that it’s not impossible that right-to-life would be attributed earlier than it is now. Society could deem personnhood present at 26 weeks, or 24, or any week, or conception. It’d be quite a “can of worms” with some wild implications, IMO, but it’s not impossible. On infanticide – I know that some societies or tribes in the past would “put out” their elderly, sick, young, etc., in times of resource shortage. I am not saying I’m for that, but valuation can change from situation to situation.
I run into people from time to time who say that birth is an arbitrary place to “draw the line,” and I agree. I understand why – at that point the baby is not inside the body of a person – but don’t think that line “has” to be there, necessarily.
Doug
>> I was never taught some underhanded state agenda in state college.
Jkeller,
That is just a funny sentence. Logic would tell you that It is in the interested of the state to train its citizens to do what is best for the state, not what is best for themselves
Yes, I was obviously brainwashed by my college into believing I was getting an education. How stupid of me.
Honestly, I just don’t know what to say to you Joe, your statements are so full of excrement.
For your information, my state is in the Bible Belt, so even if they were brainwashing state college students it would be the same brainwashing you received at your glorious institution, not some subliminal “kill all the babies” message.
Vacation, MK? So that’s where you’ve been. Then I have to ask, did you get a chance to view the Frontline: Abortion Clinic post?
Words just can’t describe…
>> Why would relative morality mean that all things are relative?
Oh
>> Joe, your statements are so full of excrement.
Ah… Of course… You demonstrate such skill in explaining your position. Score one point for the state college side. Oh… What the heck that was so intellectually stimulating, let
Yes Carder,
And it was extremely disturbing to say the least.
Valerie has posted on her website a story of how the abortion side used a 9 year old girl to further their agenda…
You can read it here:http://www.2secondsfaster.com/
Absolutely horrifying!
Danny,
Thank you. I’ll try to get a better look at that beast next week when I visit her and then get back to you. She’s made it plain she’s getting annoyed with me asking her about it. The little smarty pants told me the snake also had 2 black eyes and a tongue that flickers. I told her to please write that down.
“My point is that the state has an agenda. That is to mold minds to follow the state blindly.”
@Joe: Replace “state” with “Church” and you’ve just described *exactly* what the Catholic Church does.
Congrats.
And I’ve been in public education my entire life, from kindergarten through university and *gasp* I don’t agree with everything I hear. I have my own opinions on things that I have developed myself, school did *nothing*.
But you’re just another one of those ridiculous paranoid political extremists who think everybody is “out to get you” because they disagree with you. Give me a friggin’ break and take off the tin foil hat, the government probably couldn’t care less about what you have to think.
Rae,
Right on :-)
If we lapped up everything people spoon fed to us we’d be….well……Joe
He’s really just an elitist, who tries to justify dropping an extra 40 grand a year on an education by belittling the people who won’t be paying back college loans until the end of time.
And Joe,
I used the word “excrement” because it is a less vulgar term for the one I actually wanted to use. And a hint as to what it is: something we’d all be wallowing in if the Catholic church still ran the world today.
@JKeller: No kidding. Seriously. If people can’t learn to think for themselves, it’s not the school’s fault, it’s their own fault for being so lazy and not even trying. I rarely believe anything I see or read the first time I hear or see it. I’m naturally skeptical of *everything*.
But I agree, I’d rather spend less money and get an “allegedly sub-par” education at one of the best public Universities in the country than go to a private school where I would pay 2-3 times as much for the *same* education.
Christina, you wrote: “Abortion is well known to increase the risk of ectopic pregnancy. It’s known to increase the risk of cervical incompetence, placenta previa, premature labor, and low birth weight. ”
Where did you get this “information”? It’s wrong. Abortion is well known NOT to increase the risk of ectopic pregnancy, cervical incompetence, premature labor, and low birth weight. Placenta previa is a question–some studies show a very small increase; others show none.
See, for instance, http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/8/620
BTW, mifepristone or methotrexate (I personally prefer methotrexate over mifepristone but that’s just personal bias) can be used without the misoprostol step in a pinch if you’re in the first ten weeks of pregnancy; the expulsion of the embryo will just be like ordinary menses.
If abortion is ever outlawed in the USA (very unlikely) most of the consequent black market in abortion will be the three m’s: methotrexate, misoprostol, and mifepristone. Any one of which can be effectively used alone.
>> @Joe: Replace “state” with “Church” and you’ve just described *exactly* what the Catholic Church does.
No, not *exactly* Rae. If it were *exactly*, we would all see examples of the Catholic churches influence over American Catholics. For example; parents who went to Catholic school would continue to go to Mass every Sunday, keep their marriages together, not engage in premarital sex or extramarital affairs as their peers do
” Basically it is about how the Catholic Church has NO influence over the Catholic school system in America.”
That is true, some of the worst Catholics that i’ve met went on and on about going to Catholic school. Don’t get me started on Hannity either…
@Joe: Hmmm. That is really “interesting”. I’ve always been amused by the fact that the Catholic school kids were always much more “slutty” than public school kids. It has been something I’ve always noticed and always laughed at.
And I wasn’t talking about Catholic schools when I said that first phrase, I was stating that in general about the Catholic Church. They are *just* as bad as the “state” in their alleged goals of brainwashing (thorougly with bleach I might add). Of course, I know you don’t consider being faithful “brainwashing” and I suppose that isn’t true, it’s not…because it’s voluntary, which to me, is even more sad and pathetic.
Anyway. Whatever, we don’t agree. But go right ahead and take off that tinfoil hat someday, as I imagine the hat-hair must be terrible at this point.
“Thank you. I’ll try to get a better look at that beast next week when I visit her and then get back to you. She’s made it plain she’s getting annoyed with me asking her about it. The little smarty pants told me the snake also had 2 black eyes and a tongue that flickers. I told her to please write that down.”
Tell her that someone who has more experience with reptiles than she does is curious as to what she has. Hell, my buddy Ron has an endangered Texas Banded Gecko that he thought was a Leopard Gecko, and when I saw it and told him what it really was, he started calling zoos. Brookfield is making him a really good offer, from what he tells me. Anyways, tell her I’m curious as to what she has, and if she has a problem, to get in touch with me.
Also, tell her to stop being a smart @$$ :-)
Rae,
You wrote, “But go right ahead and take off that tinfoil hat someday”.
Are you implying that I am nuts because I say the state does things in its own interest? I say your brainwashed for thinking the state does not.
My good friends sister-in-law is from China. And she says China has all the benefits of America and more. She also says they don’t force abortions on people there. She was educated in China, by the Chinese government. She believed everything she was taught. She probably thinks I wear a tin foil hat too.
Oh Joe, don’t think for a minute that I am fully trusting of “the state”. I’m not. I just don’t think it’s as subversive and “sneaky” as you like to think it is.
Of COURSE the state does what it does for its own best interest…EVERYTHING EVERYBODY DOES IS FOR THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. But just because the state is serving its interests doesn’t mean it’s trying to screw everybody else over, which is what you appear to be implying.
The fact that you are so “anti-the State” really makes me wonder just how American you are, as you appear to really loathe the state and want to undercut it every opportunity you get.
“There is a terrific book on it called “Designed to Fail” by a Steve Kellmeyer if you are interested. Basically it is about how the Catholic Church has NO influence over the Catholic school system in America.”
Thanks Joe, I think I’ll buy it. Some of the worse anti-Catholics are the ones that went to Catholic schools…
Hahaha…there’s salvation in the cheese!
The difference being that the Chinese government is Communists and Communists actually do brainwash their people. The United States is not a Communist country, as we over enthusiastically proved during the 1950s.
A funny joke from someone who grew up in a Communist country: “We only had two television channels; channel one, which was propaganda, and channel two, which demanded that we turn back to channel one.”
RU486 has been used in Europe for years. What do European studies say?
“Of COURSE the state does what it does for its own best interest…”
Then what are you giving me such a hard time for? Or are you just hiding the fact that I convinced you?
“The fact that you are so “anti-the State” really makes me wonder just how American you are.”
Now that