Actress Ellen Burstyn’s lowest moment
Actress Ellen Burstyn was in town attending the Toronto Film Festival the week September 6-14 in part to attend a screening of the classic movie in which she starred, Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore.
While being interviewed on CFRB radio, the 74-year-old actress was asked what was the lowest moment of her life.
And for the first time, she publicly disclosed it:
Burstyn: You know, I guess, I hate to talk about this on the air, but having an abortion. You know that was really an extremely painful experience.
Interviewer: Did you feel you didn’t have a choice?
Burstyn: At the time I was just young and dumb, I didn’t really want to have a baby then. It was the wrong thing to do and I really didn’t understand that till later. That was very very painful, that was probably the worst. I try not to allow regret to settle over me like a shroud, because I think its an unhealthy way to live.
[HT: LifeSiteNews.com via moderator MK; photo courtesy of Evan Agostini/Getty Images]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I note that she’s not calling for a ban an abortion. She just regrets the way she exercised her choice.
Just because Burstyn did not call for a ban on legalized child-slaughter does not mean she does not favor one, or that one would is not appropriate.
You see, Hal, you do not create a civilized, safe, healthy, just, or optimally free society (the kind all reasonable people of conscience desire, both for themselves and for others) by permitting the strong to prey upon the weak with impunity.
Perhaps I’d better repeat that for you, a little more slowly: YOU DO NOT CREATE A CIVILIZED, SAFE, HEALTHY, JUST, OR OPTIMALLY FREE SOCIETY (THE KIND ALL REASONABLE PEOPLE OF CONSCIENCE DESIRE, BOTH FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR OTHERS) BY PERMITTING THE STRONG TO PREY UPON THE WEAK WITH IMPUNITY.
Abortionists are much stronger than preborn babies, and they prey upon them with impunity. They also use their medical credentials to exploit, bereave, and endanger women rather than preserving their health. (Pregnancy is not a disease, and abortion is not health care.)
Ms. Burstyn is not alone in regretting her part in the murder of her child, nor is she amiss in confessing it. Over 93% of surviving post-abortive women regret their abortions; the others are either in denial, or are dangerously emotionally detached from reality.
Whether or not Burstyn favors a ban on legalized induced abortion, her child certainly would favor one, given a choice, as would all the 50 million other children unjustly executed by induced abortion in America
Wachet, I disagree with everything you said.
You can deny it all but you did not refute any of it.
Wachet Auf! (that’s German for WAKE UP). Try it, if just for the novelty. You’ll find integrity thrown in as a nice side benefit.
Over 93% of surviving post-abortive women regret their abortions; the others are either in denial, or are dangerously emotionally detached from reality.
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Stupid people lie poorly.
You lie VERY poorly…
Laura, I didn’t that that drivel needed the dignity of a response. But thanks for jumping in. 93% my foot!
Whatever the number is (maybe 3%?) it would be a lot lower if people didn’t run around claiming “abortion is murder” and “you killed your baby.”
But Hal, that IS what they did, no one is “claiming” anything. Enough with the euphemisms. Abortion IS murder, and a baby WAS killed. Should we not say that so the people who had them can go on blissfully believing that’s NOT what happened?
I can just as easily say “Abortion is NOT murder. Abortion is NOT killing a baby.” You got a problem with that? Of course you do.
a baby WAS killed.
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Call 911. Killing babies is illegal in this country.
Hal, you seem angry. I guess I would be too if everyone was trying to get me to realize two of my children weren’t really children when I decided to kill them.
Sorry, I meant “were” really children. Typo!
I’m not angry. Just a bit frustrated with circular reasoning. Some people believe abortion is murder, some people don’t. Some people believe abortion is “kiling a baby”, some people don’t. I know you don’t think it’s “belief” but “fact.” Changing the words to “I KNOW that Abortion is not murder” instead of “I don’t BELIEVE abortion is murder” doesn’t help much. There is no way to ever end this debate, or even get much progress. We have never regretted for a moment the choice to terminate two pregnancies. The other women I have talked to about this seem very happy with their decisions to terminate pregnancies in their past as well. Not a very scientific standard, I realize, but 4,000 women a day can’t be wrong….
4,000 women a day can’t be wrong…
There are a heck of a lot more radical muslims – are you saying because of their great number THEY can’t be wrong? Weak argument….
Murder is the deliberate, premeditated taking of an innocent human life. So is abortion. The word fetus is Latin for little one, aka baby. And, tragically, it is not illegal (yet) to kill babies who are yet unborn; but we will all be much better off when/if that changes.
Denial is not the same as refutation; all you proaborts have managed to come up with is denial, and no refutation. So you’re in, or in with, the 7% who don’t get it; that hardly qualifies you to speak to or for the 93% who do.
Why don’t you so-called “champions of women” focus on lowering the number that really needs to be reduced, the number of women that die from abortions? It would be drastically reduced, by at least 700%, if abortion were recriminalized. This would be another step forward for female humans, since most of the couples who abort for sex selection spare little boys and kill little girls…you know, those little people who grow into women, given the chance?
But no; you will continue, like two year olds who cover up their own eyes and then declare proudly that no one can see them, to lob unfounded, ad hominem hogwash at anyone who dares to challenge or refute that mess of bloody aborthodoxy pottage for which you’ve traded any faculties of reason, fairness, honesty, compassion, integrity and most everything else that distinguishes humanity from brute beasts.
Most prolifers don’t lie very well because we don’t care anything about becoming proficient at deceiving people, as do prodeathers. And don’t even bother trying to deny that; a much more experienced proabort has since repented, and publicly confessed the many lies he fabricated on behalf of the baby-killers.
Anyone else looking for truth, and not just another unpopular messenger to attack like the pack of vultures who have posted here (barring Kristen) can find plenty of it at afterabortion.org. Read it and weep for someone besides your red-fanged, hatemongering selves.
After you wake up (somehow I’m not holding my breath), GROW up. The change in your perspective will show you a whole different world…and it sounds like you could sorely use one.
Hal,
I can just as easily say “Abortion is NOT murder. Abortion is NOT killing a baby.” You got a problem with that? Of course you do.
You do say that…and it does give permission to those that have had abortions to continue with their delusion that they can carry on as if nothing happened. Yourself included.
I guess I don’t see what your point was.
W.A. That post was amazing!!!!
I’m not angry. Just a bit frustrated with circular reasoning. Some people believe abortion is murder, some people don’t. Some people believe abortion is “kiling a baby”, some people don’t.possibility that you are wrong. That they were your “children”…think about that. Don’t shove it in a drawer…think about it. What if you are wrong?
Hi MK. I’m not sue what my point was either. Maybe I should quit for the day. I’m apparently acting “red-fanged and hatemongering.”
Oh stop…you are neither red fanged or hatemongering…
but you are wrong.:)
“4,000 women a day can’t be wrong”? Yes, they can be; they can be dead wrong. Truth is truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.
I don’t know how long ago you had your own children killed, Hal, but surely even you must realize that had they lived, it is not two little “blobs of tissue” that you would have lying around, but two children, to read to, to play with, to teach, to protect, to tuck into bed at night, or to teach how to ride bikes, drive a car, make music…They were no more “products of conception” than you are, and no less human. Just younger, and smaller, and more defenseless, just like you were at their age.
There is a better way, Hal. There are generally two ways people process guilt, especially bloodguilt. (Your children did bleed, you know, when they were killed, just like you would if you were killed in that brutal manner). The best one, that leads to new life, is the way of confession, repentance and seeking God’s forgiveness. The other one, the path you are on now, leads only to deeper self-deception and more death; and that is the way of denial, self-justification, rationalization and transferring/projecting onto others your own guilt.
You’re headed in the wrong direction; but if you’re still breathing, God will still allow you to make a U-turn. If you refuse the offer, you have no one to blame but yourself for the consequences.
MK, thanks for the thoughtful post. Again, however, we just fundamentally disagree. I am just not bothered at all by the decision to terminate those pregancies. I didn’t end any child’s life. That’s the “reality.” That’s not subject to opinion. It’s just the fact.
See? we’re not making much progress. As to your question, “what if you are wrong?” What could I be wrong about? Many fertilized eggs don’t make it to birth, for a variety of reasons. If someone is hoping for a child, that’s a sad thing. If not, I don’t see the problem.
Anyway, MK, I’m just bothering people, which is usually not my intention. It’s Friday, I’ll quit for the day and see you all next week.
“Wachet auf”, you wrote : “Over 93% of surviving post-abortive women regret their abortions”
Where did you get this information? Source, please.
My favorite part was when she said, “At the time I was just young and dumb.”
Pro-aborts are always calling pro-lifers stupid. Too bad they won’t realize the shoe is on the other foot until they are oh… around 74.
And I very much agree with this “I try not to allow regret to settle over me like a shroud, because I think its an unhealthy way to live.”
There are healthy ways to deal with regret and unhealthy ways. I can’t help but to wonder whether she went to Confession about it. When it comes to deeply rooted regret the only remedies I have ever heard of are; Confession, pharmaceuticals and generous amounts of alcohol. Two of which have terrible side effects.
SoMG, you wrote,
Joe K: With a goo goo goo
And a gah gah gah.
The most convincing article on the subject so far is
Adler, Nancy E., Henry P. David, Brenda N. Major, Susan H. Roth, Nancy F. Russo, and Gail E. Wyatt. 1990. Psychological Responses After Abortion. Science. 248:41-43.
Also read http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/psych.html
Wow, incredible post, Wachut Auf, 1:26p.
What could I be wrong about? Many fertilized eggs don’t make it to birth, for a variety of reasons. If someone is hoping for a child, that’s a sad thing. If not, I don’t see the problem.
Hal, that doesn’t prove that they’re not human beings any more than the fact that many newborns don’t make it past infancy due to SIDS, genetic disorders, etc doesn’t make them less worthy of the status of “human being”.
Just because many of them die doesn’t make it any more justifiable to kill them, and doesn’t make them any less human.
Is it only a sad thing for a newborn to die, if it was a wanted newborn? When the newborn is unwanted, is his death less or more tragic?
Hal,
Many fertilized eggs don’t make it to birth, for a variety of reasons.
Yes, but in this case YOU were the reason…and what if you were wrong and those weren’t just fertilized eggs? What if we are right and those were your sons?
“I don’t know what saddens me more. The fact that you ended their lives, or that fact that it doesn’t bother you. Both concepts are chilling.”
Precisely.
Robotic.
Of course women who don’t regret abortions are in denial. If not, they are sociopaths. Those types should be in jail. Lock the nuts up! See Laura, I can sound like you when I want to.
Let’s look at some of these actresses that aborted over some stupid acting career. That chick from “Judging Amy” and Kathy Nijimy. What the heck did either woman do that was so grand? Veronica’s closet stunk! Judging Amy is an absolute bore. These TV shows are already forgotten about. Blah!
“That chick from “Judging Amy” and Kathy Nijimy. What the heck did either woman do that was so grand? Veronica’s closet stunk! Judging Amy is an absolute bore. These TV shows are already forgotten about. Blah!”
Right, Heather, quit being so darned immature and condemnatory. It’s very un-becoming.
Seriously, sometimes I really wonder if you are an adult, because you often post in a rather immature way. So what if Amy Brenneman aborted because of her career? “Judging Amy” was on for 6-7 years, it couldn’t have been *that* boring (I liked it…).
But you’re right, Veronica’s Closet did suck, but I think that has more to do with Kirstie Ally than anything. :)
Rae, I couldn’t help myself. This post was about an actress who aborted. I thought I’d bring up a few others. Amy B. signed her petition with pride. So did Kathy. The Ms. Magazine “We had abortions.” Amy isn’t a bad actress, but she’s no Julia Roberts. Kathy, well what kinds of roles is she gonna get? I’ll be nice though.
Let’s look at some of these actresses that aborted over some stupid acting career. That chick from “Judging Amy” and Kathy Nijimy. What the heck did either woman do that was so grand? Veronica’s closet stunk! Judging Amy is an absolute bore. These TV shows are already forgotten about. Blah!
Heather, I have to laugh, but it’s not like you’d be for abortion if the shows had turned out to your liking….
Doug
Doug, be honest, do you like either show?
Brooke Shields is pro life, but I didn’t like “Suddenly Susan” either.
To whom it may concern,
The 93% can be found on page 336 of David Reardon’s book, ABORTED WOMEN: SILENT NO MORE.
The basic dynamics of post-abortion regret (we can call this post-abortion regret 101) work like this: Women are hardwired with strong natural instincts to nurture and bear children, and to protect them at all costs. Those natural instincts, unless they are stymied, perverted, or suppressed, are what make induced abortion repellant to most women. What happens to an abortion-minded woman is that some fear — of losing the affection of her mate, the approval and support of her parents, of not being ready to mother the child, of messing up her schooling or career, losing her girlish figure, etc., ad infinitum– suppresses her maternal instincts long enough to get her through the killing of that child. The abortion profiteers, of course, are highly skilled at zeroing in on, feeding, and exploiting her fears to the hilt for their own profit. Hence, may women report that they feel an immediate sense of relief after the abortion. However, since the “problem” is gone, the fear is gone, and she will begin, in due course, sometimes sooner, sometimes later,to recover her natural, instinctive compassion/affection for the little life lately begun in her; but since the baby is gone, when those aroused, developing maternal instincts do rebound (famished nature will avenge itself), they can only reassert themselves in grief, rage, and guilt. Simply put, it’s not nice to foul mother nature.
The scriptures shed additional interesting light on this in John 16:21: “A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.” If the climax of childbirth never occurs, then her soul gets stuck in the travail mode. This is probably why many women immediately try to get pregnant with a “replacement baby” following an abortion. The unrequited love, and the need to have her womanly, maternal instincts affirmed after they have been violently assaulted are overwhelming; this is probably why many women become sexually promiscuous as well following induced abortions. Others go the other way, and become sexually frigid, perverted, or just shut down.
I see that jtmcnutt has already referred everyone to Reardon’s website, afterabortion.org, where you can find much more information about the negative physical, emotional, mental, social and other effects of induced abortion on women, men, and ex utero children. Oh, and don’t be put off by jt’s blunt, curmudgeonly manner; I know him well, and I know he means well. The terms “red-fanged” and “hatemongering” are likely terms you would have no problem applying to anyone seeking to have you subjected to the torturous death of induced abortion; I’m sure jt only meant to help you see yourselves as your victims and their advocates see you, and it really would be a terrible pity to let your own reflection, however unflattering it may be, blind any of you to the abundance of insight and research available at afterabortion.com.
Oops! I meant afterabortion.org.
Afterabortion.com is also an excellent site dealing with post-abortion stress syndrome, but David Reardon’s site is afterabortion.org.
WA, A most excellent post! I know plenty of women who abort, and they are pregnant again shortly after their abortions. They do move towards that “replacement baby.”
SoMG, “Joe K: With a goo goo goo And a gah gah gah.”
That is the most intelligent thing I think I ever seen you post. Keep it up.
Doug, be honest, do you like either show?
Heather, never saw Judging Amy, and never even had heard of the other one. I’m a History Channel – Discovery – FX – HBO kind of guy.
The 93% can be found on page 336 of David Reardon’s book
Hard to imagine more of an indictment…
We have already established, in previous posts, that David C. Reardon is a fraud and a clown.
Nothing he writes should be taken seriously.
As usual, more ad hominem slurs/epithets, no actual refutation. So typical of proaborts who hate god and love death more than you care about women, children, or truth.
Reardon is a great asset for the Pro-Choice side. He’s a known fake for his “Ph.D.”
Reardon’s supposed college “is not accredited by any accreditation agency recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (which is the agency that recognizes the accepted accreditation agencies in the US). As such, its degrees may not be acceptable to employers or other institutions. In some jurisdictions (such as Texas) the use of degree titles from the university may be restricted or illegal.”
It became known for issuing bogus degrees, and has even changed its name, now calling itself “Californina Miramar University.”
“Pacific Western dates to 1977. In September 2004, investigators with the United States Government Accountability Office released a report titled
How common is PAS?
In 1995, Dr. Paul Sachdef, professor of social work at Memorial University in Newfoundland, Canada, conducted 70 in-depth interviews of women who had elective abortions during the previous 6 to 12 months.
They are typical of women who have sought abortions: aged 18 to 25, single, white females. All had terminated their first pregnancy during the first trimester giving mental health as their reason for seeking an abortion.
He concluded: Two-thirds of the woman had used contraceptives rarely or not at all. Three-fourths of the woman thought they would not become pregnant. Almost 80% “felt relief and satisfaction” soon after the abortion.
Long term guilt or depression were rare. Elective abortion is less traumatic than giving a child up for adoption. Women do not lightly decide to have an elective abortion.
June Scandiffino (Toronto ON Right to Life) disagreed with his findings. She wonders about the 10% of women who declined to be interviewed. She maintains that the “Post-traumatic abortion syndrome” may not emerge until perhaps 7 years after the elective abortion.
Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, a famous opponent of abortion, was asked by President Reagan to study the health effects of induced abortions. He responded in a 1989-JAN-8 letter that he could not form a conclusion from the available data. A year later, Dr. Koop told representatives of some pro-life groups that the risk of significant emotional problems after an abortion was “miniscule”.
In 1989, a panel of the American Psychological Association unanimously concluded that legal abortion “does not create psychological hazards for most women undergoing the procedure.” They found that about 21% of US adult women had had an abortion. If severe emotional reactions were common, then they would have expected to notice an epidemic of women seeking treatment. No evidence of such a flood was observed.
The American Psychological Association conducted an 8 year study involving almost 5,295 women, starting in 1979. The women were interviewed each year until 1987. The researchers found that the best predictor of of the women’s well-being during the study was their well-being at the start of the study. Whether they had had an abortion or not during the interval covered by the study did not seem to affect their mental health. Neither did their income level, job status, educational attainment, marital status, etc. In other words, they were unable to detect the existence of PAS.
The American Psychological Association further analyzed the data from the 1979-1987 study and issued a press release on 1997-JAN-31. 14 They concluded:
“Data from [a] long-term study demonstrate that even highly religious women are not at significantly greater risk of psychological distress because they had an abortion.”
This time they included an analysis of the woman’s religious beliefs and practices – specifically:
whether they were affiliated with a religious group, or were not religious. If religious, whether they attended church often or rarely.
They found that:
“…having had an abortion (or more than one) had no relation with self-esteem”
the “…type of religion to which women who had an abortion belonged also did not make a difference in their post-abortion well-being…”
Thus, even religious women did not appear to suffer from PAS at a detectable level. They further analyzed the data for the Roman Catholic women in the study. They found that “highly religious Catholic women were slightly more likely to exhibit postabortion psychological distress than other women…” But this is probably explained by the presence of a lower level of well-being at the start of the study by the devout Catholics, rather than any after-effect of the abortion.
JTM, go back and search Jill’s archives. We had a long discussion about Reardon, with actual refutation of his thesis.
In the “study” on which his book is based, he draws his population from the political group Women Exploited by Abortion (“WEBA”). He then attempts to generalize his results to the whole population of women.
Anyone who has taken even one statistics/epidemiology course can spot the flaw.
“Judging Amy is an absolute bore”
Aww I liked Judging Amy!! The best part of that show for me was looking at the court cases and seeing how she rules upont hem.
Heather, did you ever see that daily show video I posted awhile back ;)
Pip, why no, I didn’t. Eh, Amy’s acting is good, so she does kind of draw you in. I guess I can meet you in the middle on that one.
Reardon discusses the limitations of his studies/surveys on his site. Where is your proof that 93% of post-abortive women never have any regrets about killing their children, or that the absence thereof is in itself healthy? For the record, I agree with Burstyn’s efforts to not look back with regret nor forward in fear, but around in awareness, as she appears to be doing; looking up in faith is also a great asset to a healthy perspective; but to be so cold, calloused, and devoid of human feeling as to have a child killed in cold blood without a pang of regret or remorse is characteristic of a psychopath, not a mentally sound human being; and, given the aforementioned elements of deception, fear, desperation, manipulation, coercion, etc. at work in most induced abortion “decisions”, I’m inclined to give the majority of post-abortive women credit for not being that mentally/emotionally dead..yet. Perhaps I’m wrong about that; I’ve certainly met some who seem awfully close, but I haven’t observed them to be in the majority, and I think that’s a good thing. Further, many suppress the guilt/grief/regret for years because they simply don’t feel that they can deal with it. That’s not healthy, either; because then when something does stir those buried emotions or lance those deeply festering wounds, they can erupt with an intensity that can be overwhelming.
Perhaps you are also trying to the findings of your own dealings with post-abortive women onto others that you don’t know? It does not take a course in statistics/ epidemiology, psychology, logic, etc. to know that the faults we identify and censure the most readily in others are often our own; just an candid look at the fallen human heart. I am not personally inclined to take very seriously anything stated by someone who posits that induced abortion is anything other than the wicked, deliberate, premeditated taking of an innocent human life; e.g., murder.
I also know that rejection of academically qualified students on the basis of their religious beliefs or politically incorrect views is rampant among established, “legitimate”, accredited institutions of “higher learning”, so lack of accreditation, while it may have some legitimacy, may also be yet another form of suppression of politically dissident thought/expression, also rampant among the upper echelons of secular education, so that in itself would not necessarily discredit any of Reardon’s findings.
And God knows that if there is any entity that is considered politically correct, has a multi-million dollar vested interest in maintaining a positive public image, has proven many times to be fraudulent, fights informed consent tooth and nail, and will stoop to anything/stop at nothing to get away with more murder, it’s the abortion cartel. But enough, for now, about them.
Here is some highly recommended reading from the One to whom Reardon, every educator, every student, every post-abortive person, and all the rest of us, shall ultimately give account:
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CURSED BE HE THAT TAKETH REWARD TO SLAY AN INNOCENT PERSON.
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THESE SIX THINGS DOTH THE LORD HATE: YEA, SEVEN ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO HIM: A PROUD LOOK, A LYING TONGUE, AND HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD,
AN HEART THAT DEVISETH WICKED IMAGINATIONS, FEET THAT BE SWIFT IN RUNNING TO MISCHIEF, A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, AND HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN.
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FOR THE WRATH OF GOD IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN AGAINST ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OF MEN, WHO HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN, FOR THEY SHALL BE COMFORTED.
IF WE CONFESS OUR SIN, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SIN, AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
HE THAT COVERETH HIS SINS SHALL NOT PROSPER: BUT WHOSO CONFESSETH AND FORSAKETH THEM SHALL HAVE MERCY.
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Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
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Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
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…when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
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If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.
If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?
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Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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My favorite newest one :)
Jon Stewart is retarded and his jokes aren’t anything to be excited about. And anyone (like Jon) who is more upset about 3 US soldiers dying in the Middle East each day than the 3,700+ babies dying each day in the USA scores an F when it comes to moral and ethical analysis.
Zeke, you sure know how to light up a room.
And take a joke.
BTW the clip is not of Jon Stewart, but a correspondent
Zeke, you sure know how to light up a room.
:: laughing ::
You gotta love it.
That was funny, PIP. :D
Thanks for posting that PIP. I thought it was hilarious.
“Jon Stewart is retarded and his jokes aren’t anything to be excited about”
First of all, not to be too PC about the whole thing, but you guys who are supposed to value every life, shouldn’t be using “retarded” as an insult.
Second of all. Jon Stewart is very funny and very smart, and thank god we have him.
Hear hear!
Glad you like the video ladies :)
I’m a sex and the city fan and when I watched this I was laughing the whole time.
Doug, you speak like a man who has never had an honest conversation with a post-abortive woman. I’ve known many women who’ve had abortions and none of them found them to be happy experiences. That bogus statistic about women being relieved right after an abortion. Yeah, you’d be relieved too after you’d had your insides sucked out for fifteen minutes while a couple of assistants held you down because you were writhing in pain so much the doctor couldn’t complete the execution (oops, I meant to say “procedure”, my bad!).
Judith, that’s a bit over the top. “writhing in pain?” “insides sucked out . . . while being held down?”
The women I’ve spoken to didn’t have that experience and don’t have regrets. Some do, some don’t I guess.
Great post, Judith!!
Doug, you speak like a man who has never had an honest conversation with a post-abortive woman. I’ve known many women who’ve had abortions and none of them found them to be happy experiences. That bogus statistic about women being relieved right after an abortion. Yeah, you’d be relieved too after you’d had your insides sucked out for fifteen minutes while a couple of assistants held you down because you were writhing in pain so much the doctor couldn’t complete the execution (oops, I meant to say “procedure”, my bad!).
Judith, I haven’t ever talked with anybody who recently had an abortion, that I know of.
The fact remains that the vast majority of women who have abortions are glad they did, and would do the same thing again in similar circumstances.
Sure, some regret it at the time, and some later on as well. Same for giving birth. It’s no reason to not let the pregnant women decide for themselves.
Doug
“It’s no reason not to let the pregnant women decide for themselves”
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There is no reason at all not to let a pregnant woman decide for herself where, when or how to get her hair done, what kind of shoes she wants, where to go out to eat, to shop, to go to school, what to study, and all sorts of other innocent matters.
But there are several very good reasons not to allow anyone to premeditatedly commission, commit, or aid and abet the cold-blooded murder of an innocent child, whether the child is born or unborn, and whether or not the perpetrator is pregnant; especially in the name of health care.
The first, and most obvious, is clearly stated twice in the second post on this thread; you might have missed or forgotten it, so here it is again: YOU DO NOT CREATE A CIVILIZED, SAFE, HEALTHY, JUST, OR OPTIMALLY FREE SOCIETY (THE KIND ALL REASONABLE PEOPLE OF CONSCIENCE DESIRE, BOTH FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR OTHERS) BY PERMITTING THE STRONG TO PREY UPON THE WEAK WITH IMPUNITY.
The unborn are the most innocent members of society; hence, they do not deserve to be executed. Paradoxically, they are also both the weakest members by reason of their relative size and stage of development, yet also the strongest in that none of their potential is wasted, misused, or even developed; it is all ahead of them; they do not need to be killed. They also do not choose, or desire, to be slaughtered, and can respond to touch (read, feel pain) while yet in the first trimester of their life. (see silentscream.org for the evidence).
I know some people will postulate that if “safe, legal” abortions are not available, then desperate women will be harmed by sleazy, back-alley abortionists, or they will harm themselves by self-induced abortions. As is further pointed out in the second post on this thread, the majority of legal, induced abortions involve so many elements of deception, manipulation, ignorance, desperation, and coercion that they cannot be called real choices at all by any thinking person with a clear conscience and a straight face. Desperate women are still harmed by legal abortions, and some of them still harm themselves trying to self-induce. So go put your coathanger to some constructive use, back in your closet where it belongs.
Legalized abortion on demand has never been about “a woman’s right to choose”; it was about a doctor’s right to play God and kill off whoever (s)he chooses; and history proves that disposing in this way of the Hippocratic Oath, with it’s overarching/undergirding first principle, FIRST DO NO HARM, turns doctors into killers, and endangers all who put their lives into the hands of such death profiteers (not real healthcare providers). Any Auschwitz survivor or honest student of the history of the Nazi holocaust can attest to that. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who helped coin the slogans that are still the mantras and rallying cries of the proabortion movement, said this after genuine repentance of all his involvement in abortion made a more honest human being of him: “I remember laughing when we made those slogans up…We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical.”
Abortion is not a reproductive reset button, though it is marketed as that. It is a savage act of violence that slaughters an innocent little boy or girl, and it is a violent assault on a vital part of any woman, physically, emotionally, and psychologically which countless women have found to be mercilessly unforgiving of shabby treatment, let alone violent assault. It wasn’t designed for that. Pregnancy is not a disease; it is a normal function of a healthy reproductive system, and process is set in motion at fertilization which naturally ends in childbirth; if is violently, prematurely terminated by induced abortion. Since you’re a man, of course, and clearly have no medical knowledge of such matters, maybe you can relate to this: If you were to take car out on the interstate, rev it up to a high speed and suddenly slam it into reverse, wouldn’t that have some negative repercussions on the car? Inducing an abortion of a pregnancy always has a negative impact on a woman, physically, emotionally, and mentally. It may show up sooner or later, but in some way, it will manifest as a living death for the mother just as it was a heinous death for her child.
Allowing a pregnant woman to choose to kill her own child with impunity conditions society to handle social problems by violence, to exploit,harm & kill those weaker than ourselves; it corrupts the medical profession, turning healers into killers; it corrupts law and law enforcement as it executes the innocent and frees serial killers to continue the carnage unchallenged; it encourages men to sexually exploit women and take no responsibility for the woman’s well-being or any children he may father; and it recklessly, needlessly, endangers the life and health of pregnant women. Even Alan Guttmacher, past president of Planned Parenthood, made this admission about “therapeutic” abortions in 1987: