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Watch the feminists defend this incompetent “medical” professional:
According to the complaint, the woman reported to the Lincoln Planned Parenthood office on August 17, 2007, for an abortion in the 8th week of pregnancy. During the suction abortion, she felt a sharp, excruciating pain and asked abortionist Severson to stop. Three employees then held the woman down while he completed the suction process in spite of her pleas.
In the recovery area, a friend who accompanied her to the abortion clinic attempted to help her to the bathroom, but the woman, who was in intense pain and bleeding, passed out and suffered the first of three seizures.
The woman was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where doctors treated her for “catastrophic perforation” of the uterus, which would have resulted in her death if treatment had been delayed any longer.
People often don’t realize that abortionists are often the bottom-feeders of the medical world. They are often people who have no else to turn to to practice medically, so they do abortions.
Safe, legal and rare. Ha.
London, England (LifeNews.com) — British abortion practitioner Andrew Gbinigie nearly killed a woman in a botched abortion and was the subject of charges of sexual harassment from 35 women. He has been unable to find a job since multiple hearings were held on the cases and has now lost an appeal to get his medical license reinstated.
In May 2006, the British General Medical Council determined that Gbinigie, a 51-year-old, could practice medicine again if he underwent retraining to update his medical skills.
He also faced restrictions including only working at hospitals with intensive care facilities and not performing abortions or work in gynecology.
The medical panel said it would review those conditions nine months later.
Yesterday, the GMC said Gbinigie could still not work alone at a medical center for another year and must continue to be under the supervision of another physician. As a result, he could not re-obtain his medical license.
According to the Birmingham Mail newspaper, he has still not been able to obtain a job because the administrators of various medical facilities have refused to hire him because of his problems.
As a result, Gbinigie has not been able to retrain his medical skills and is unable to operate as an abortion practitioner on his own.
Nicki Evans-Young, a young woman who filed a complaint against Gbinigie after he botched a sterilization procedure, said she was happy he won’t be practicing medicine anytime soon.
“I am relieved with anything that stops Dr. Gbinigie practicing the way he was on women,” she told the Birmingham newspaper. “I don’t think he should be allowed to operate at all, even under supervision. He is a dangerous man.”
Though he is not working currently, he must notify the GMC of any future employment and tell his employer about the restrictions the medical board has placed on him.
Last year, Gbinigie told reporters he did not plan to perform abortions again.
“I don’t intend to have anything to do with terminations any more,” he said.
“I have not performed any terminations whatsoever and I don’t intend to perform any in future because I have made that decision,” he added. “I was very unhappy with the outcome of Miss A and I take full responsibility for it.”
The abortion practitioner is referring to a November 2000 abortion that placed the restrictions on him.
In the failed abortion, Gbinigie pulled out a woman’s ovary and part of her bowel. The abortion ripped a hole in the woman’s womb and tore away part of her kidney and she needed five hours of emergency surgery to repair the damage.
Later, after obtaining a job working at Liverpool Women’s Hospital, 35 women accused him of sexual harassment. Fifteen eventually agreed to testify against him but the GMC failed to take any action against him.
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A former abortion clinic worker Kathy said that Yogendra Shah stated that he wants to spend no more than 5-7 min. with an early trimester and only 20 min. on a late-term abortion. It’s an assembly line. He wants them cleaned up and out of there and the next victim in. As for the botched abortions, Shah has stated ,”Once they are patched up and back on the interstate, they are no longer his problem”..Shah’s eyesight is failing..and in the D&E or D &X abortion procedure that is performed on a baby over 13 weeks and over, the baby’s head is the last body part removed, sometimes these babies heads are literally floating in the mother’s uterus…the abortionist is actually jabbing at the head with large forceps to grasp onto it and pull the baby’s head out! That’s why you see so many perforated uteruse’s and bowels pulled through the vagina.and lacerated cervixes..complications. This was part of a sworn testimony given in US District court of Wisconsin, on May 27.1999 by abortionist Dr. Martin Haskell.
Does anyone care to dispute that abortion deaths or complications are rare? I could cut and paste all night.
Full-Term Baby Survives
Abortion Attempt
By Liz Townsend
A Phoenix abortion clinic suddenly became a maternity ward June 30 when abortionist John Biskind delivered a six-pound, two-ounce baby girl he had started to abort. The baby is now recovering in a hospital with a factured skull and facial lacerations, and is expected to be adopted by a Texas couple.
Biskind’s near-victim was a 37-week-old unborn baby, just three weeks shy of a normal due date. The little girl, called “Baby Phoenix” by pro-lifers, shows no sign of brain damage from her ordeal, the Arizona Republic reported.
This was the second time in less than a decade that Biskind has halted an abortion on a virtually full-term baby. His record as an abortionist in Arizona is riddled with complaints, reprimands, and charges of incompetence and negligence leading to at least two maternal deaths, according to published reports. Biskind also performs abortions in Cleveland, Ohio.
Baby Phoenix’s mother came to the A-Z Women’s Center, whose phone book advertisement claims, “We are the only Abortion Provider in Arizona up to 24 weeks,” for an abortion June 29. An ultrasound examination done at the clinic that day supposedly placed the baby at about 23 weeks’ gestation. (Arizona law bans abortions after 24 weeks, with exceptions for the life and health of the mother.)
As abortionist John Biskind began the abortion procedure the next day, he realized the baby was much bigger than a 23-week-old. He stopped the abortion and delivered the six-pound, two-ounce little girl, who was then taken to a hospital to recover, according to the Republic.
“Biparetal skull diameter, femur, and fetal foot measurement render a 14-week discrepancy impossible by a qualified doctor or technician,” Dr. Carolyn Gerster, NRLC board representative from Arizona, told NRL News. “One cannot but wonder if the 24-week age limit in the clinic’s ads influences a ‘just under the wire’ estimate.”
The abortion clinic closed July 21, after its landlord revoked the lease and a judge ordered the clinic to release its records to a grand jury investigating “possible criminal activity,” the Republic reported. The clinic’s owner, abortionist Moshe Hachamovitch, also has a history of complaints about maternal deaths and botched abortions, according to the Republic. Hachamovitch, who has practiced and operated clinics in New York, Texas, and Pennsylvania as well, also closed his two other Phoenix-area clinics since the Baby Phoenix case. State House Speaker Jeff Groscost announced July 30 that a special committee of legislators will meet to discuss how the current state regulations on abortion could allow such a doctor to continue practicing at an abortion clinic. “It’s abhorrent that you’ve had two ladies die in that clinic,” Groscost told the Republic. “We are going to hold agencies accountable.” The A-Z Women’s Center was an unlicensed clinic, since Arizona regulations do not require licenses for “clinics owned by doctors who neither keep patients overnight nor administer general anesthesia,” the Republic reported.
Police investigators have said that they doubt Biskind could be held accountable under criminal law. “We have to prove some kind of criminal intent, and I think right now we don’t know of anything he can be charged with,” Phoenix Detective Frank DiModica told the Tribune. “I don’t know how far [police are] going to go with it until they run into a complete dead end.”
Arizona’ Board of Medical Examiners (BOMEX), which regulates doctors, suspended Biskind’s license July 20 after the details of the case became known. However, the board has received several complaints about Biskind over the past 10 years, and has merely reprimanded him three times for incompetence and negligence.
Even the death of a woman in 1995 after Biskind reportedly lacerated her uterus during an abortion drew only “censure” from BOMEX, who allowed Biskind to continue his practice of late-term abortions unrestricted. “It was a meaningless censure,” Rep. Susan Gerard, chair of the state House health committee, told the Tribune. “He should have lost his license in the ’95 case.”
Even before this latest case occurred, BOMEX was investigating the death of Lou Anne Herron, who bled to death in the A-Z Women’s Center April 7 after Biskind punctured her uterus while aborting her 26-week-old baby, according to the Arizona Republic. The Republic also reported that Biskind told staff members to falsify an ultrasound so Herron’s baby appeared to be less than 24 weeks old to comply with Arizona law, and knew Herron was bleeding abnormally but merely told the inexperienced staff to give her medicine and then left the clinic.
One of Biskind’s reprimands from BOMEX occurred in a case eerily similar to that of Baby Phoenix. In 1989, Biskind began an abortion on an unborn baby he estimated as only 10 weeks old. According to the Republic, he began the suction procedure and quickly discovered there was too much fluid present for such a young baby. He sent the woman home, and she delivered a full- term baby the next day. Biskind received a “letter of concern” from BOMEX in 1990 for this case.
Biskind’s current license suspension bars him from practicing medicine in Arizona until a formal hearing is held within two months. According to the Tribune, this emergency suspension was the first issued by BOMEX in at least five years. The board has a backlog of 1,100 cases at the present time and has been criticized for rarely imposing severe sanctions.
The Baby Phoenix case has been discussed across the nation, in newspapers, on television, and on talk radio. Pro-abortionists quickly tried to divert attention away from the baby who survived the abortion and focused on the “malpractice” of the abortionist. “The spin was now that Dr. Biskind was a ‘bad abortionist,’ not to be confused with the ‘good abortionists’ who presumably rarely allow a baby to survive,” said Dr. Gerster. “The real tragedy is that abortions are done at all and continue to be done legally in facilities throughout our state. I pray that the survival of Baby Phoenix will awaken this nation to the humanity of the child and the brutality of abortion.”
OH LOOK, even London abortionists sexually abuse their patients.
Do any of these physicians live or work within 1/4 mile of the Aurora clinic?
Mona Charen
THE WOMAN WAS 22 WEEKS PREGNANT when she sought the assistance of Dr. Martin Haskell, the originator of the partial-birth abortion procedure, to rid herself of her already-kicking child.
Haskell performed the first stage of the partial-birth abortion. He inserted a seaweed-based substance into the woman’s cervix and instructed her to return the following day. In the usual course of events, the seaweed absorbs the amniotic fluid from the womb and expands, thus slowly dilating the cervix. The next day, new seaweed is inserted. On the third day, the abortionist opens the cervix with his fingers, feels around for the baby’s legs and pulls them out of the birth canal. He rotates the fetus’ shoulders so that the baby’s face is oriented toward the mother’s lower back and then, using scissors, he punctures the bottom of the baby’s skull and suctions the brain out through a tube.
But in this case, things did not go according to plan. The woman complained of severe abdominal pain on the first night and, being far from Haskell’s clinic, reported to the emergency room of her local hospital, Bethesda North, in Cincinnati. As she was being examined (she did not say she was pregnant), the baby was born — alive. Pediatricians and neonatologists came running. The baby girl weighed in at 1 pound. The doctors decided that the child was very unlikely to survive and instructed that nothing be done.
Connie Boyles, a nurse, and Shelly Lowe, a medical technician, saw the baby girl gasp for air and were stunned. Lowe, knowing that the nurses were busy caring for other patients in the emergency room, asked if she could hold the child she dubbed “Baby Hope” until she died.
The request was granted.
Lowe wrapped Baby Hope in a blanket and settled into a rocking chair for what she imagined would be just a few minutes. She sang to her and stroked her cheeks. “I wanted her to feel that she was wanted,” Lowe explained later. “She was a perfectly formed newborn, entering the world too soon, through no choice of her own.” The baby sucked on her lower lip, opened and closed her hands, and moved a bit as Lowe held her. She also did something else — she continued to breathe on her own.
Dr. John Willke, a pro-life activist and former obstetrician, says he doesn’t quarrel with the initial determination made by the emergency-room physicians that Baby Hope was too small and too premature to survive. But, he says, when she was still alive and breathing room air 30 minutes after birth, her status should have been reassessed. An excellent neonatal care unit was a mere helicopter ride away. And she might have been saved.
As it is, nothing was done. After three hours, Baby Hope died in the arms of the compassionate Shelly Lowe. The state of Ohio issued her a death certificate. The cause of death was listed as “extreme prematurity secondary to induced abortion.” Would Dr. Haskell have issued her a death certificate at his shop, or does he simply throw the bodies in the trash?
Very few premature infants survive when born before 23 weeks, though there have been survivors at 22 weeks. Still, one has to wonder: If a woman who did want her baby spontaneously aborted in an emergency room, would the doctors have been so quick to give up on the child? Would they ignore the signs of unusual vitality this infant showed? (Most premature babies have trouble breathing without assistance. That this infant was able to breathe room air was amazing.) Was Baby Hope’s value as a human being secondary to her value to the mother?
If we judge people’s humanity by any standard other than that each is a unique individual with rights, we demean every person’s dignity. A child is a child. Would-be adoptive parents wait years and years or go abroad in search of children to love.
Lowe was asked at a press conference what her position on abortion was. She said she had been pro-choice but was now pro-life. What changed her mind?
Three hours.
What would that matter? It could happen at any clinic. I’d like to hear your defense to all of these stories I’ve just posted.
Does anyone care to dispute that abortion deaths or complications are rare? I could cut and paste all night.
Heather, I don’t know about “complications,” since many things can go wrong during a pregnancy.
As far as deaths for the pregnant woman, continuing pregnancies and giving birth, is much, much worse for them than having abortions.
Doug
HUH?
I second that huh. That is the biggest load of BS i’ve ever heard.
“As far as deaths for the pregnant woman, continuing pregnancies and giving birth, is much, much worse for them than having abortions.
Doug”
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You do not make any sense. It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
“As far as deaths for the pregnant woman, continuing pregnancies and giving birth, is much, much worse for them than having abortions.
Doug”
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Absolutely true:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
SAFETY OF ABORTION
The risk of abortion complications is minimal; fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication that requires hospitalization.[24]
Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of such problems as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or congenital malformation (birth defect), and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries. [25]
Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and British governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other types of cancer.[26]
In repeated studies since the early 1980s, leading experts have concluded that abortion does not pose a hazard to women
Nobody can tell me that abortion is safe. Why not? I thought these things could only happen if abortion were illegal. Anyone care to defend abortion? What’s so different about abortion TODAY? Welcome to the front ally days.
Doug, That’s not a defense to what I’ve posted. I have listed several deaths/mistakes from legalized abortion. We aren’t talking about childbirth here. I’m sure there are plenty of blogs for that. I’d rather take my chances and give birth. I don’t want anyone to kill my baby while they rip my insides out. Childbirth is natural. Abortion is NOT! Besides, why do these problems still exist? I thought legalized abortions were suppossed to prevent these things.
Heather: Welcome to the front ally days.
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Well, if you’re gonna be on the front, it’s good to have an ally.
Well, at least you agree with me there. Why do pro choicers have this coat hanger fetish? ………..Never happened.
Hey, let me stoop for just a moment. Since we have a front ally, and you seem to be okay with it, allow me to make a suggestion. Let’s just put a dumpster next to every abortion clinic. If mom dies, we can just toss her body into the dumpster along side her dead, unwanted baby. No fuss, no muss. Get rid of her too. She deserves it, right?
Abortion is not safe for the mother or the baby.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent child’s life by viciously killing it.
Abortion is not safe for women.
Sure, many women may not suffer physical complications from having their baby ripped to pieces in their womb. But that is only part of what takes place.
The woman’s soul has died. She is spiritually dead. And she can bury the memory perhaps, but it remains with her the rest of her life.
But there are many documented cases of the terrible physical and medical complications of abortions.
We haven’t even talked about the well-documented link between abortion and breast cancer.
For more information see: http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/
Paul, you hit the nail on the head. Abortion leads to a deep soul sickness. You should see what has happened to my post abortive friends/aquantances. More than a few of them have turned to crack use, a lot of them are alcoholics, some of them have bonding issues with their children, and some have extreme self esteem issues. This includes relationship problems with men, and some have poor body image. “I’m fat.” “I’m ugly.” etc. You get my drift. Maybe they don’t recognize this as PAS, but that’s exactly what I believe it to be.
“As far as deaths for the pregnant woman, continuing pregnancies and giving birth, is much, much worse for them than having abortions.”
Colleen: You do not make any sense. It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
It makes perfect sense. If there is “foolishness,” here it is on your part – not being able to follow a logical train of thought.
Heather was talking about deaths and complications due to abortion. I imagine she was trying to impugn abortion by giving some anecdotes, paltry evidence as it is. The point is that if concern for women is the deal, if we’re worrying about women dying or having complications, then it’s much better to have abortions, especially early-term abortions, versus continuing pregnancies and giving birth.
Doug
Nobody can tell me that abortion is safe. Why not? I thought these things could only happen if abortion were illegal. Anyone care to defend abortion? What’s so different about abortion TODAY? Welcome to the front ally days.
Heather, it’s not “perfectly” safe. Nobody is saying there is zero risk. The fact remains that in general abortion is much, much safer than continuing pregnancies and giving birth.
Nobody told you it’s impossible that there will be complications from abortion. But who “needs” to defend abortion? I know you don’t like it, but unless you’re the one pregnant then it’s not up to you. It doesn’t need to be “cleared” with you. The desire of the women who is the one pregnant is enough.
Doug
Doug, That’s not a defense to what I’ve posted. I have listed several deaths/mistakes from legalized abortion. We aren’t talking about childbirth here. I’m sure there are plenty of blogs for that.
Heather, if you’re worrying about deaths due to abortion, then it’s only logical to compare it to not having abortions, and as far as risk to the woman, one is clearly better than the other.
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I’d rather take my chances and give birth. I don’t want anyone to kill my baby while they rip my insides out.
Fine and dandy, and Pro-Choice is right behind you there. It’s up to you, not to somebody else.
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Childbirth is natural. Abortion is NOT! Besides, why do these problems still exist? I thought legalized abortions were suppossed to prevent these things.
That’s like saying having an appendectomy is “unnatural.” The fact is that not all pregnancies are wanted. It’s natural that some people want kids and that some do not.
Legalized abortion has meant greatly reduced numbers of deaths and complications, but nobody is saying there will “never” be problems. Why do problems still exist? Human error, bad luck, etc.
Doug
Doug,
Please, How long will you go on about pregnacy being a greater risk than abortion. We proved to you 20 times that the difference is a negligible 0.something percent. And we showed you why the two aren’t even comparable.
Doug,
Please, How long will you go on about pregnacy being a greater risk than abortion. We proved to you 20 times that the difference is a negligible 0.something percent. And we showed you why the two aren’t even comparable.
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When you factored-in the length of pregnancy, which made absolutely no sense at all.
I’ll have to go with Guttmacher on this one.
Again,
You pro-choicers talk big about the rights of women etc…. I am wondering if any of you, like the medical tech in the above story who held a newly aborted live baby until it died would still have the same view if you held that same baby. It obviously changed her mind. I recommend that all of you spend time in a clinic watching every type of horrific abortion procedure being carried out.
Then come back and talk about women’s rights. I bet NONE of you could handle the truth.
MK and Sandy, thank God you’re both here!
I recommend that all of you spend time in a clinic watching every type of horrific abortion procedure being carried out.
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Thanks, but my cable company is giving us a free Showtime/Movie Channel weekend.
Funny you mention that Sandy.
Our own Jill Stanek wasn’t active in the pro-life movement until she held her dying Down’s baby that fateful day in Christ Hopsital.
That would be an interesting scenario for our staunch prochoice friends. Laura would probably just set the little tyke back on the shelf and mutter something about emus. Doug, well, his valuation would get in the way, all fine by him, so it’s a toss up as to how he would react.
Others?
carder, they are so sick and so twisted. So many demons, so little time. *sigh*
Legalized abortion has meant greatly reduced numbers of deaths and complications, but nobody is saying there will “never” be problems. Why do problems still exist? Human error, bad luck, etc.
Doug
************************************************ Reduced? How would you know?
BTW, I don’t CARE to compare abortion to childbirth. Childbirth is giving life. Abortion is KILLING life. There is quite a difference!
Hi Heather!
Carder,
Great Post! I think all of the PCers should answer the question. What would they do if they came across a newly live aborted baby?? Anyone? Anyone?
Seriously Doug,
That old tired argument is just a diversion from the real issues of abortion. I am sure it was originally crafted by the same money grubbing monsters that started the legalized abortion movement and made up the montras that all of you PC sheep chant today. BAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
Laura,
You are so quick to be glib. When your neighbor asked for your help to find her miscarried baby she buried in her back yard, did you laugh? Did you make snide comments? You seem to get great satisfaction out of making fun of the deaths and killing of innocent children. How did you get so hardened? Really do you see a therapist? Have you even called the 1-800 number I keep giving you?
I’ve often thought I’d like to force pro-aborts like Obama to hold a live aborted baby and then let’s talk. But they avoid even saying the word abortion, never mind facing it.
MK: Please, How long will you go on about pregnacy being a greater risk than abortion. We proved to you 20 times that the difference is a negligible 0.something percent. And we showed you why the two aren’t even comparable.
Nope – the difference is about 1400%, by the figures that we were using.
We’ve been through this all before, MK. Yes, the overall risk of death is very, very low with either deal, no question about it.
Yet when Heather says, “nobody can tell me that abortion is safe,” the comparison is obvious. If, in Heather’s mind, abortion is “not safe,” then continuing pregnancies and giving birth is 10 or 11 or 15 times worse than that.
Doug
Sandy: That old tired argument is just a diversion from the real issues of abortion. I am sure it was originally crafted by the same money grubbing monsters that started the legalized abortion movement and made up the montras that all of you PC sheep chant today. BAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
It’s not “old tired argument,” it’s just being logical. Heather’s anecdotes prove nothing about abortion in general, and in that line of reasoning the comparison with not having abortions is obvious.
Sheep do rule, though – they lull us into a false sence of security. They watch, they wait, they know much and guess more. They war among themselves, learning of the parry and the thrust. They grow strong, and one day they will mount their attack!
Doug
That would be an interesting scenario for our staunch prochoice friends. Laura would probably just set the little tyke back on the shelf and mutter something about emus. Doug, well, his valuation would get in the way, all fine by him, so it’s a toss up as to how he would react.
Carder, that’s a fair question. Of course it is an exceedingly small amount of abortions that are done at such a late stage of gestation, but it does make a difference to me.
Doug
You pro-choicers talk big about the rights of women etc…. I am wondering if any of you, like the medical tech in the above story who held a newly aborted live baby until it died would still have the same view if you held that same baby. It obviously changed her mind. I recommend that all of you spend time in a clinic watching every type of horrific abortion procedure being carried out.
Then come back and talk about women’s rights. I bet NONE of you could handle the truth.
Sandy, the truth is that the story has little application to the pro-life/pro-choice abortion argument. Less than 1% of abortions take place that late, in the first place, and of those many are not “elective,” but rather wanted pregnancies where things have gone badly wrong.
However, we already have restrictions in most states at 24 or 26 weeks, and if we would lower “viability” to 22 weeks, and make that where the line is drawn, and quit arguing about earlier times in gestation, that’d be okay with me.
Morevoer, as things are now, if an unwanted pregnancy can be ended by delivery, I have no problem with that either.
Doug
Doug, abortion is murder. I am not going to debate that with you any longer. Believe what you like. It’s obvious that I can’t convince you, and you will definatly never convince me. Sorry, I’m just not up for this silly crapola. It’s a waste of your time and mine.
Per Doug:
“Sandy, the truth is that the story has little application to the pro-life/pro-choice abortion argument. Less than 1% of abortions take place that late, in the first place, and of those many are not “elective,” but rather wanted pregnancies where things have gone badly wrong.”
Doug,
This story has a huge application to this issue. When you consider the number of abortions being committed everyday in this country. 1% is a huge number. Many if not most are elective. Read info by any former abortion doctor. They have confirmed this over and over and over and over again.
What would you do if you held a newly aborted live baby?? Would you feel a sense to try and save it? Cradle it for comfort? Or would you put it on a shelf to die a lonely death gasping for air? Or since it has no value would you just throw it in the trash.
I can’t wait to hear your answer.
When I think of the baby Jill held in her hands, I think of the children with Down’s Syndrome I have meet at Special Olympics. The look of determination on their faces and the unconditional love they show to everyone around them is so touching. Why can’t society show them the same unconditional love back?? Why is it ok to abort disabled babies up to and past the point of viability?
Sorry, I’m just not up for this silly crapola. It’s a waste of your time and mine.
Heather, I coulda told you that the anecdotal stuff is a waste of time.
Doug
Sandy: This story has a huge application to this issue. When you consider the number of abortions being committed everyday in this country. 1% is a huge number. Many if not most are elective. Read info by any former abortion doctor. They have confirmed this over and over and over and over again.
Sandy, I figure there are about 26 abortions each day at 22 weeks or later. Some of them are elective, yes – no argument there. Most babies are not viable then, but some could live.
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What would you do if you held a newly aborted live baby?? Would you feel a sense to try and save it? Cradle it for comfort? Or would you put it on a shelf to die a lonely death gasping for air? Or since it has no value would you just throw it in the trash.
I can’t wait to hear your answer.
I have never said “it has no value.” I would feel sorry for it. If it was a “live baby” then it wouldn’t have been aborted, but I think I know what you mean. I do feel conflict in that situation, since abortion is certainly legal to 22 weeks. A baby born then is very likely going to die. In the more rare situation where it lives, there are almost surely going to be bad, bad problems.
And of course as far as abortion or not, there is also the woman to consider.
Doug
Per Doug:
“If it was a “live baby” then it wouldn’t have been aborted, but I think I know what you mean.”
Doug,
Now I don’t know what you mean??? Babies are aborted alive!!