Planned Parenthood does not commit abortions?
We’ve been tracking Denver Planned Parenthood’s plans to build a 50,000 sq. ft. abortuary, in an apparent contest to earn the coveted title of PP’s largest U.S. abortion mill, which Aurora Planned Parenthood currently holds at 22,000 st. ft.
Weitz Construction is the Denver PP’s intended builder, and pro-lifers have been picketing Weitz and homes of its vp’s for a month now. (See here, here, here, and here.)
Now word comes that a meeting held yesterday between pro-lifers and the CO head of the IA based company did not go well. Its president, Bill Hornaday, refused to reconsider building the mill.
Meanwhile, Denver pro-lifer Will Duffy recorded a conversation with Sue Damos, wife of the IA Weitz CEO
Craig Damos, wherein she said Planned Parenthood does not commit abortions. Listen:
Sue Damos audio
Seriously, how ignorant can a person be?
Worse, the PP Denver mill will focus on killing black babies in the heart of a minority neighborhood, 1/2 block from Martin Luther King Jr. Park no less, standing true to its founder Margaret Sanger’s eugenic plans.
[HT: John Jansen, Lolita, Will]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
* Ron Paul Would Let States Murder Children: Ron Paul is explicitly pro-choice state by state. (See his answer below, to a question asked by a KGOV listener, and his answer transcribed by a KGOV staffer). By Paul’s principles and legislation, states would be allowed to permit child killing (and even fund abortion with tax dollars). Libertarians, as godless policy makers, are sexually immoral and tolerate murder. Anecodtally, driving to a pro-life event with our general manager Will Duffy on Friday, October 12, we saw a Ron Paul bumper sticker on a car that had a hate bumper sticker, the one that mocks Christianity by usurping the Christian fish symbol to promote Darwinism.
Ron Paul’s YouTube interview July 14, 2007:
Question Austin Hines from Tulsa, OK: You say that abortion legislation should be decided on the state level rather than on the federal level. Does this mean that you believe the morality of the issue is not absolute? [Since the constitution defends the right to life, do we not have the right to define when life begins at the federal level?]
Answer from Ron Paul: I deal with the abortion issue like I deal with all acts of violence. I see the fetus as a human being that has legal rights, has legal inheritance rights from the day of conception. I as a physician if I injure the fetus, I have liabilities; if you are in a car accident or someone commits a violent act, and kills fetus, they are liable and responsible. But all acts of violence under our constitution are dealt with at the local level, murder, secondary, third-degree manslaughter; all these things and are done locally, and they are not always easy to sort out, and that is the magnificence of our system, and our constitution, is that the more difficult the issue, the more local it should be for sorting out these difficult issues. So, I would say yes, the states have the right, and the authority, to write the rules, and regulations, and punishments, for acts of violence. I believe strongly that this should be at the local level. Therefore, I would not support Roe vs. Wade, but I certainly am absolutely opposed to the federal government funding abortion. But I cannot protect and fight for personal liberty if I don’t fight for the right to life; and if you endorse abortion moments before delivery, or in the third trimester, which is now legal, I as a physician could be paid for [aborting that child], at the same time, we have devised a system here today that if the baby is born, and the teenager or whomever throws the baby away, they’re charged with murder. But if you are careless with this attitude, it’s more than just a privacy issue; and [if you] say, well, the privacy of the mother is the only concern, but no, it’s whether or not a living being is involved. If it were only the privacy issue, I believe our homes are our castles, and that government shouldn’t have cameras there; they should never intrude. But I do not say that because our homes are our castles, that we have the right to murder our children. Nobody really endorses that. So, it’s very hard intellectually, to distinguish between the killing of an infant a minute before birth, and a minute afterwards. And I think it deserves a lot of attention, but I also recognize that it’s difficult for a lot of people to sort this out. That’s why we really want the states to sort it out, and not have one answer at the federal level. Because if you depend on the federal level to decide these issues, you end up saying, well, it’s in the courts, the Supreme Court should rule; and they legislated through that Roe vs. Wade incident, and they actually got very involved in details of the medical process of when and what abortions could be done. So, I think our system is, that you reject that notion, honor the commitment to the Constitution, and try to solve these difficult problems at the local level. And I am quite sure it will not be solved, and the solutions will not be perfect. We don’t live in a perfect world, and we have to accept the political process that gives us the best answers. [End Ron Paul Excerpt]
Ron Paul has long worked with the Libertarian Party, and spoke at it’s 2004 national convention, and he has never repudiated that party, even though the Libertarian Party is:
Pro-legalized abortion
Pro-legalized euthanasia (killing of handicapped and sick people, etc.)
Pro-legalized homosexuality
Pro-legalized pornography
Pro-legalizing drugs
Pro-legalizing suicide
Pro-legalizing prostitution
Etc.
Libertarians are immoral, godless quasi-conservatives who therefore have no compass for righteousness in law.
And the above list is far more of a threat to America than is al Qaeda, for this platform is a prescription for how to destroy us from within. Yet Ron Paul does not understand these simple matters of right and wrong and governance.
-Bob Enyart, http://WWW.KGOV.COM
Her husband is soooooo lying to her!
WTHeck! Ignorance must truly be bliss.
Planned Parenthood does not commit abortions.
And SoMG is really the pope.
PL Laura –
Hey there. How are you doing? You are so right her husband is lying, but she obviously wants to keep her head in the sand. PP is hemoraging from all sides, and the media can’t stop it. Did you read the Weekly Standard article on PP?
It was really good.
They’ve demonized Kline but he keeps on going. When he sees that laws are being broken he does something about it. Unlike our friends in Aurora. We could use someone like Kline.
Anyone look at Jill’s quote of the day yet?
My U.S. Legal homework is actually on that case, lol.
story here
Now normally, I think I would cry first ammendment just like he lifers on this one. They do have every right to speak, share their views, and distribute information (true or not, depending on the group). However, it seems things here in MA have gotten a little out of hand to say the least, as the article shows. The state has a compelling interest to protect its citizens, and allow them easy access to health care. The best approach for the pro-lifers on this one, I think, is just set up a booth and run it in shifts. Makes you much more approachable, and its more likely the woman may actually go over and not only hear, but listen to what you have to say. Given the pro-lifers history in this state in particular with the crimes/intimidation tactics they are resorting to in order to talk to the woman is ridiculous, and really does need to be stopped.
They do have their freedom of speech, they just can’t be within a certain area, just as students may have to utilize “free speech zones” on the campus of a college.
She IS clueless, poor lady. She needs our prayers. If she insists that they will NOT be doing abortions in Denver, I would ask the lawyers to get a signed statement from Planned Parenthood attesting to that fact. If PP won’t comply, then we know the TRUTH.
By the way, how many recovery rooms is Planned Parenthood putting in their “NON-ABORTUARY” in Denver?
Huur…I would like to note that people are making a big fuss about how apparently, a certain establishment down here in GA broke the rules on it’s paperwork for the city while it was getting ready to open. What is this obviously evil establishment?
A WalMart. Oh noes! People don’t want it to open, so it must be EVIL!
Now word comes that a meeting held yesterday between pro-lifers and the CO head of the IA based company did not go well. Its president, Bill Hornaday, refused to reconsider building the mill.
Fantastic news! Why on earth should they reconsider? NOT working doesn’t exactly put food on the table.
People want birth control and abortions, so reproductive health clinics have to be built. And since pro-lifers demand the very highest standards of safety for abortion clinics, they have to be built bigger and bigger. You should be happy they’re building a 50,000 square foot clinic. Imagine how SAFE women will be inside! It’s a pro-life victory!
Of course, it wouldn’t be necessary if women didn’t keep showing up and asking for abortions. You people really ought to do a better job of convincing women that they don’t want to be victimized by abortion.
Hey, Tara! Miss ya! Do you have a link for the Weekly Standard article?…I couldn’t find it.
We could definately use someone with a backbone in Aurora! Would be a nice change!!!
Seeya Saturday?
Hey, for all of you PP fans out there…Question: PP claims that it provides low cost healthcare to low income people or people who can’t afford it, right? So, even if you took out the whole (EVIL…yes, I said that, Erin) abortion thing…If a low-income or poverty-stricken gal were to go there for their infamous pap-smears, mammography exams, etc., and they were to find that she HAS cancer…then what? Does PP treat the cancer also? Or, does she have to find treatment elswhere??? Or better yet…CAN she find treatment elsewhere with no $$$… I’ve been baffled by this all day!
As someone who has had many Libertarian friends and considered joining the party, I’m very frustrated that Ron Paul is a right-to-lifer. If he weren’t, I’d vote for him, because he would zero out the war on drugs which is an unacceptable violation of the liberty to which Americans are properly entitled, and he would cut wasteful defense spending. As it is, he loses my vote. The only way I’d support a right-to-lifer would be against a greater right-to-lifer (such as Casey vs Rick “Man-on-dog” Santorum.)
PL Laura, PP does not provide treatment for life-threatening illnesses such as cancer. That’s not part of what they do. So what? Do CPC’s treat cancer patients?
And yes, it sucks to be without health-care coverage and get sick. Another reason to support Hillary!
Regardless of anyone’s ignorance, I find it deplorable that you people are pressuring a legitimate business NOT to build a COMPLETELY LEGAL health care clinic, and threatening to boycott and picket the owners/employees homes. Back in the old days when the mafia did stuff like this, they called it racketeering.
TP is right about the clinic size, by the way. They are building them larger to anticipate future code changes a/la the Kansas’ “surgical center” law that you are all so proud of. The rooms, doorways, and hallways are hospital-sized all in the name of safety, even though nothing resembling surgery happens there. So it’s your own fault that these new centers are this huge, Antis, and now you complain about it. That’s gratitude for you!
PL Laura, pap smears are all about catching cell irregularities early, before they turn cancerous, and while they are easily treatable. Your ridicule of this basic female health care reveals a bit of ignorance on your part. Women low-income AND well-to-do women have died of cervical cancer because they went without exams for many years. Mammograms are X-rays requiring major equipment, and are not performed by Planned Parenthood. Nobody has claimed that they do. Ignorance again.
SoMG said, “PP does not provide treatment for life-threatening illnesses such as cancer.”
Ray & SoMG: Then why test for it if you can’t treat it? I find it kindof of cruel to tell a person without $ or insurance that they have cancer…and then what, tell them that they’re SOL? And Ray….calm down…if you go back & re-read my question, you’ll find that it was a question…I wasn’t ridiculing anything.
Women do not die because they weren’t examined…they die because they weren’t treated!
Sorry, Ray! You were right….PP does NOT do mammograms…I don’t belive I’m ignorant, I just assumed that being a “women’s healthcare facility” they would include that in their long list of “services”. My bad….
The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation says that they donate money to PP for mammogram equipment. That’s one of the ways they justify giving so much money to PP. Has anyone seen the equipment at PP?
Ray, Here’s the list of “services” that PP provides thanks to midnite678: Again, my bad…breast exam….
Services:
Abnormal Pap Follow-up
Abortion Services – Medical
Abortion Services – Surgical
Adoption Counseling and Placement
Annual Exam
Birth Control: Pills, Condoms, Depo-Provera, etc.
Breast Exam
Counseling – Abortion
Counseling – Birth Control
Counseling – Pregnancy Options
Counseling – STD
Depo-Provera
Education
Emergency Contraception (EC)
High Blood Pressure Screening
HIV/AIDS Testing and Counseling
Immunizations
IUD
Male Health Services
NuvaRing
Patch (Ortho-Evra)
Pregnancy Testing and Counseling
Prenatal Care
Sexually Transmitted Infection Testing & Treatment
Sonogram
Vaginal Infection Testing & Treatment
Cancer Screening (Pap Test)
Coloscopy
Cryotherapy
Diabetes Screening
Hepatitis A & B Vaccine
Paragard
Post-Abortion Exam
Ultrasound
Urinary Tract Infection Diagnosis and Treatment
Wow! lots of stuff that they can’t treat!!! Just take away all of the “untreatables” and what do you have?
A not-very-intelligent Anonymous wrote: “Women do not die because they weren’t examined…they die because they weren’t treated!”
Early detection is the key to preventing death from cancer. Low-cost examinations save lives.
Tee abbreviation for Massachusetts on the side quote is not MS. Its MA.
Looks like the not-very-intelligent Anon was PL Laura.
PL Laura/ Anon, you wrote: “why test for it if you can’t treat it?”
You refer the patients to doctors who can treat it. What a stupid question. Why should the people who test for the illness be the same people who treat it? They are different skills. Even within medicine, primary care MDs refer cancer patients to specialist oncologists.
Here’s one link to a Planned Parenthood North Texas that provides mammograms in partnership with Komen affiliates:
http://www.ppnt.org/clinic-services/
Right-to-lifers benefit from being restrained.
Bill Clinton signed the FACE Law and restrained right-to-lifers. The result: right-to-lifers today are not nearly as violent as they were, which is good for the right-to-lifers. Hillary will sign FOCA and restrain them again, and this second restraint will also have a result which will be good for right-to-lifers.
Right-to-lifers will come to understand that the only legitimate way to prevent abortion is by persuading the woman to choose to grow her pregnancy, not by attempting to force her to do so.
Somg, you’re a laugh! Just keep on talking in circles.
PL Laura,
Are you going to be in Aurora tomorrow? If so, email me, and we can hook up…Jill too.
SoMG,
Again, you’re missing my point….these women can’t afford the treatment!
“Early detection is the key to preventing death from cancer. Low-cost examinations save lives.”
Yes, the anon was me…I posted to quickly…anyhow, I agree that early detection is the key to preventing death, but only if you can get the treatment for the cancer. If you don’t get the treatment, you will probably die from it! I cannot believe that this is so difficult for you to grasp!
Thank you, Laura! I have been thinking about this one too. People keep claiming how Planned Parenthood helps the poor women get health care, but how is testing really all poor women need? What is PP doing that can’t be done elsewhere?
If women are found to have the conditions that PP finds, they are still referred elsewhere, and it still costs them lots of money if they don’t have health insurance. How are they saving money on medical costs, as they claim?
They need treatment, not just tests.
Why don’t these people put their money where their mouth is, and actually help these women, or just admit that what they’re providing really isn’t that great?
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It seems about right. Tests galore, but where is the treatment?….Oh well. Go to the hospital. I ran, “Does Planned Parenthood Offer Any Treatment?” through my search engine. I couldn’t find a thing.
PL Laura and Bethany, very few cancer patients actually go without treatment. Most people can as a last resort take out loans from predatory lending companies. Then they have high-interest loans to pay but they don’t go without treatment.
If it were me, I’d go to Denmark and undergo treatment there.
Heather, keep laughing. When Hillary signs FOCA into law, I will laugh louder.
Why don’t you buy yourself a 1 way ticket to Denmark? Why don’t you stay there. I wouldn’t miss you at all!
PL Laura and Bethany, very few cancer patients actually go without treatment. Most people can as a last resort take out loans from predatory lending companies. Then they have high-interest loans to pay but they don’t go without treatment.
If it were me, I’d go to Denmark and undergo treatment there.
What do they need at PP that they can’t get elsewhere?
LOL Heather!
SoMG…I think you’re wrong, here….I keep remembering the Dems parading kids with no health care around….HMO nightmares because insurance doesn’t cover them, people dying because they chose to buy food over meds…etc. Also, you can’t get a loan if you don’t have a job!
Hi, Bethany!
I agree with you. We should increase PP’s funding, so they can start offering cancer treatments!
SoMG, so naive! They don’t want to help women!
They want to make money…period.
That’s why they’re a non-profit organization, right? In order to make money?
PP doesn’t do abortions.
They are a non-profit organization.
SoMG is the pope.
Seems to be fantasy day here on the blog…
“Sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
Lewis Carroll
I agree with you. We should increase PP’s funding, so they can start offering cancer treatments!
ha ha ha SOMG.
By the way,
Planned Parenthood of Overland Park, Kansas has been charged with 107 criminal counts. Of these 29 are charges of performing unlawful late-term abortions. Phill Kline, Johnson County?s district attorney has charged Planned Parenthood with 23 felonies and 84 misdemeanors. If Planned Parenthood is convicted, it faces more than $2.5 million in fines. Court date is scheduled for November 6.
To view this story: http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/322081.html
Hi Laura and Heather!
“Sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
Lewis Carroll
Love it!
Yeah Bethany,
Sometimes he just makes it sooooo easy. We’ll have to call him the “un”holy father from now on.
SoMG said, “That’s why they’re a non-profit organization, right? In order to make money?”
Absolutely! They make money (millions!) in lieu of being not for profit. (Not to mention the HUGE salaries….Trombley, for instance). No….their not in it to make money! This is the same affliction that Sue Damos has…DENIAL! Say it long enough, and you’ll believe it! Sad….truly sad!
Erin: Huur…I would like to note that people are making a big fuss about how apparently, a certain establishment down here in GA broke the rules on it’s paperwork for the city while it was getting ready to open. What is this obviously evil establishment?
A WalMart. Oh noes! People don’t want it to open, so it must be EVIL!
Spoken like a true pan-galactic vicelord.
PL Laura: Wow! lots of stuff that they can’t treat!!! Just take away all of the “untreatables” and what do you have?
After rigorous scrutiny and the usage of a massive assemblage of sophisticated data-mining commputer programs, the answer is the “treatables.”
Doug
P.S. I wonder if there is a doctoral thesis, there….
It’s true that Planned Parenthood does not provide treatment for cervical cancer, per se. HOWEVER, cervical cancer can easily be prevented by regular pap smears, which detect PRE-CANCEROUS lesions on the cervix. These lesions can be removed by colposcopy, cryotherapy, or a procedure known as a LEEP. All of which Planned Parenthood DOES do. Removing lesions=no cancer. The overwhelming majority of actual cases of cerivcal cancer in the US are in women who don’t get regular pap smears.
Doug,
“treatables” meaning sex & abortion services, right?
Your left with these…
Abortion Services – Medical
Abortion Services – Surgical
Adoption Counseling and Placement
Birth Control: Pills, Condoms, Depo-Provera, etc.
Counseling – Abortion
Counseling – Birth Control
Counseling – Pregnancy Options
Depo-Provera
Emergency Contraception (EC)
Immunizations
IUD
NuvaRing
Patch (Ortho-Evra)
Pregnancy Testing and Counseling
Sexually Transmitted Infection Testing & Treatment
Vaginal Infection Testing & Treatment
Cryotherapy
Hepatitis A & B Vaccine
Paragard
Post-Abortion Exam
Ultrasound
Urinary Tract Infection Diagnosis and Treatment
A cervix coloscopy and biopsy is used to DIAGNOSE cervical abnormalities that may be caused by lichen sclerosis and especially venereal wart viruses.- Not treat them
Cryotherapy (freezing skin lesions).
“No treatment is one hundred percent effective and no guarantee can be made by Planned Parenthood regarding the success of the treatment. The risk that this treatment will fail to cure the cervical problem is about 10-15%.”
(from PP’s website)
mk,
I would have to hope for the safety of their clients that everything is sterilized properly! Sounds like “STD Haven” to me….I sure wouldn’t trust anything “going up” me (if you know what I mean!) But then again, you could always go back for STD treatments! (they do treat those!)
Doug, treatables” meaning sex & abortion services, right?
Yeah, Laura, everything that’s not untreatable.
PP says Abortion is only 3% of the services they offer to women’s “healthcare”.
Question: If you remove the 3%(abortion) service from their list of services, can PP still survive on the remaining 97% “healthcare” services??
What do you think?
Good question, RSD! I hope Jill will use that for her weekend question.
RSD,
Jill did a story on PP’s math…to summarize, when one goes in for an abortion, about 5 services are utilized (i.e., pap smear, ultrasound, abortion, aftercare, counseling, birth control). which is actually a MUCH higher # than 3%. If you took out abortion, you’d kill PP! (hee-hee!)
abort pp!