CPAC snubs social conservatives
Students for Life of America has released a YouTube video from the February 9 CPAC wrap-up in DC.
, pretty condemning.
Incredibly, the Conservative Political Action Conference is trying to squeeze social conservatives out. CPAC is sponsored by the American Conservative Union and presents itself as the largest annual gathering of American conservatives….
Tony Fabrizio of Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates, Inc., presented straw poll results gathered during the conference asking, "In your opinion, which of the following is the most and second most important issue for the next Republican nominee to focus on?"
After the presentation, Fabrizio and David Keene, president of ACU, took questions. Someone asked why "social values" was not an option.
Fabrizio first said illegal immigration was a social value, then said "social values" was an option but got too low a response to post. He then spun: "When we ask them to divide up and say ok, what was more important to you, economic issues and reducing the size of government versus moral issues, it was better than a three to one margin."
According to SFL, he was referring to another slide and question, which showed at least 22% of CPAC respondents said they considered traditional values like marriage and the life of the unborn most closely in line with their core beliefs and ideology, the 2nd highest response. This showed, contrary to Fabrizio’s claim, many attendees would likely have picked "social values" as most important for a presidential nominee to focus on – if allowed.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
AWESOME!!!! What does Laura have to say about this one, I wonder?
Bethany,
Exactly what I was thinking. No wonder she keeps saying it doesn’t even rate on the polls…IT’S NOT ON THE POLLS!!!
We need a third party. This s**ks!
mk,
THIRD party?
Are you serious?
That would certainly split the vote and give the democratic nominee a sure presidential win.
Anon,
lol…I didn’t mean in this electin. Too Late. But
obviously we are not being represented.
Some Ron Pauls, Mike Huckabees and Sam Brownbacks could form a separate party. Call themselves the moral party.
If the world doesn’t end in 2012, we could try again. They have four years to put a new party in place…
mk,
I agree with that!
“mk,
THIRD party?
Are you serious?
That would certainly split the vote and give the democratic nominee a sure presidential win.”
Oh yes please do go for a third party!
sounds good to me MK.
mk,
a third party sounds small potatoes and little more than a threat. How about a revolution and done via a 3rd OPTION?
John
Could it be that the video is condemning because the videographer didn’t bother to show what the rest of the questions on the survey were? It appeared that those weren’t the only two questions on the straw poll. Did social issues get addressed in the other questions? Was there a prior poll that narrowed down the answers?
Regardless, this was only a single straw poll conducted at one event. I don’t think that you can draw the conclusion that social issues are never addressed in polls from just this.
at least 22% of CPAC respondents
****
And that is ‘at least’ 22% of how many people?
I mentioned this when Jill was in Hawaii.
The CPAC conferences had dozens of speakers, EVERY Republican who ran this year in the primaries, but only one pro-life speaker – Wendy Wright of CWA – and she was in a small peripheral room opposite the big hitters.
Abortion is an issue I care about, but the truth is that the vast majority of Americans don’t care: http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
We were useful. But the conservative movement and certainly the Republican party aren’t willing to commit to issues like life. Not if, you know, they can talk taxes, instead. Something important like that.
Besides that, a vibrant pro-life ethic might start to threaten a utilitarian ethic if we make too much progress.
Yes, the move might well need to be toward a 3rd party. If Giuliani had been nominated by the GOP, I was all set to vote for Gene Amondson of the Prohibition Party — at least he’s pro-life!
It’s like those “polls” that FF posted awhile ago in support of her “abortion isn’t even in the top 10 list of issues people care about” opinion.
She linked to the polls and low and behold 90% of the polls didn’t list abortion as an option. Of the 10% that did list it it was in ALL the top 10, mostly the top 6.
I would absolutely love it if you all formed a third party. That would be, in a word, awesome. There are a few Republicans that I might even consider voting for if they took the so-called “morality” issues out of the party’s platform.
Hieronymous, I agree. So many people from other countries are amazed/aghast at the notion of not keeping private matters separate from public policy.
Well heck Doug, how’s a failing economy and a sixth of our citizens without adequate health care supposed to compete with making sure that we can police every woman’s womb? Or making sure that teh gays can’t marry?
Dang. Looks like the True conservatives need to start their own party.
And…
Hieronymous, the economy isn’t failing. The economy fluctuates up and down, just as it should. I don’t understand why so many people give in to ‘the sky is falling’ hysteria when it comes to the economy today.
And as far as everyone having health care.. that is the individual’s responsibility to either purchase a health insurance plan or find a job with an employer that will provide health insurance for them.
We’ve got to stop looking to the Government to meet all our needs. This generation needs to GROW UP!
Thanks for oversimplifying an incredibly complex system Ryan. Yeah, if everyone would just grow up they could afford health care and avoid predatory lending practices that take advantage of the uneducated. Uh huh. We don’t need no stinkin’ government regulation, because the insurance and mortgage companies totally have everyone’s best interests at heart. *huge eye roll*
The CPAC conferences had dozens of speakers, EVERY Republican who ran this year in the primaries, but only one pro-life speaker – Wendy Wright of CWA – and she was in a small peripheral room opposite the big hitters.
Abortion is an issue I care about, but the truth is that the vast majority of Americans don’t care: http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
That’s the best you could do? Post a list of polls which proves our point?
Kristen 6:04, great post!
And…
Hieronymous, the economy isn’t failing. The economy fluctuates up and down, just as it should. I don’t understand why so many people give in to ‘the sky is falling’ hysteria when it comes to the economy today.
And as far as everyone having health care.. that is the individual’s responsibility to either purchase a health insurance plan or find a job with an employer that will provide health insurance for them.
We’ve got to stop looking to the Government to meet all our needs. This generation needs to GROW UP!
Posted by: Ryan at February 23, 2008 3:15 AM
…………………………………..
If the government isn’t about the welfare of the people it is supposed to represent, what is it about?
Millions are employed by Wal-Mart Ryan. If you sit down and do the math over their ‘health insurance’, the company has a cap on the amount of health care it will cover in a year. Interestingly it is the exact amount that the employee pays for the ‘coverage’ every year. Of course that is only for the associates that are allowed to work enough hours to qualify for benefits.
Sally,
First of all, Wal-Mart is not the government.
Secondly, you point out one of the beauties of the free market. If a Wal-Mart employee is not satisfied with the insurance provided by them, the have the option to find new employment.
And before you say it, Wal-Mart isn’t the only place they can get a job. There are more and more employers offering benefits to part-time employees these days.
I’ll say it again: This generation needs to grow up and EARN what they need instead of just expecting it to be distributed to them by Uncle Sam. Be responsible, live within your means, and don’t expect a handout.
Thanks for oversimplifying an incredibly complex system Ryan. Yeah, if everyone would just grow up they could afford health care and avoid predatory lending practices that take advantage of the uneducated. Uh huh. We don’t need no stinkin’ government regulation, because the insurance and mortgage companies totally have everyone’s best interests at heart. *huge eye roll*
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I personally have been preyed upon by loan brokers with less then kosher motives and ending up having to file chap 7 in the aftermath. I know it’s not simple. I didn’t say it was.
We each need to adopt a “can-do” mentality when it comes to the problems we face today, like health care. As much as we pay in taxes, it’s amazing to me we don’t have free health care (or at least close to it).
I don’t think the insurance companies are to blame as much as you and me and everyone else is. If you’re not satisfied with an established standard in society, CHANGE IT. In a free market, each individual has the power to better himself. When are we going to stop bitching about challenges and just tackle them?
Ryan – An economic model considered in isolation, like the “free market” works perfectly. When you inject people into the system, it does not. Adopting a “can-do” attitude is all well and good, and sometimes might be enough.
However, when corporations work to largely stifle true competition (upon which the free market is based) through unethical and anti-competitive activity, individuals really do not have the power to better the situation. Especially when their activities are essentially encouraged by de-regulation, and when they have more say in the government than the individual does due to their lobbying power.
Just my opinion, of course. Also, I agree that Wal-Mart is not the government, but Wal-Mart has been allowed to crush their competition and drive out other, and potentially better, employers by improving their bottom line at the expense of the wage slaves who work for them.
Hieronymous, I agree that Wal-Mart is a monster of a corporation and it’s sad to see the efforts of small business owners crushed by the nearby grand opening of a new Wal-Mart Superstore.
I think it’s an ugly truth that the only thing that can compete with Wal-Mart is other huge corporations like Target, for example.
what you said about the free market: “..When you inject people into the system, it does not..” LOL. People always manage to screw up a great thing don’t they?
Hieronymous: Well heck Doug, how’s a failing economy and a sixth of our citizens without adequate health care supposed to compete with making sure that we can police every woman’s womb? Or making sure that the gays can’t marry?
Heh – I hear every bit of that.
In my opinion the “failing economy” has a lot more to go, and a much larger presence in people’s minds to come. Unemployment still hasn’t gone up much at all, and if the crap is to hit the fan, I think it’s still in the future.
I look for illegal immigration to become a more prominent issue as well, due in part to people really bumming about their declining standard of living and looking to lay blame.
Doug