Irony of ironies
By: Mary Kay Hastings
I found this quote and thought it was rather interesting, considering the posts that we have put up over the last week and a half.
Not only have I continued to follow your work with loving admiration and expect ever greater results from your beneficence, I have also known of Nehru’s statesmanlike interest in birth-control, and now I behold you and him and Lady Rama Rau working together — a triple Hercules — for the deliverance of a land long-cursed with excess of population. I cannot imagine anything more blessed happening on earth. As you teach, mankind has, through ignorance, often destroyed the sweet joy of childhood. Now a tide of enlightenment, slow but sure, shall lift its healing waves from one end of the world to the other until every child has a chance to be well born, well fed and fairly started in life — and that is woman’s natural work as the creator of the human race. Affectionately I salute you, Margaret Sanger, as the prophet and the woman Prometheus of humanity’s highest physical and mental welfare….
We had a mother and father fighting over “putting their daughter down like a dog” because she couldn’t feed herself,a husband shooting his wife to put her out of his misery, a mother aborting her child because it had down’s syndrome and was “contaminating” her body, 66 babies born alive in England where they attempted, but failed, to abort them for things as horrifying as *gasp* cleft palettes and clubbed feet, ending with a mother who tried to abort her baby at 24 weeks because it was blind.
These were all stories about people with handicaps. And the family members they tried to kill.
How many people is too many? What criteria is required to get a “pass” and be allowed to be born? Who is “worthy”? Who is not? Who gets to decide?
Reminds me of a Christmas song I used to know about a doll that was dropped, broken and in for repair:
Are my ears on straight?
Is my nose in place?
Do I have a cute expression on my face?
Are my blue eyes bright?
Do I look alright?
To be taken home Christmas day.
Perhaps we should make the contents of a womens’ uterus take a test before allowing them to be born. You know, questions like, Are you now or have you ever been deaf? Are you now or are you planning on becoming bi-polar? Do you have all ten toes and do your feet point the right way? Can you carry a tune?
“. . . Margaret Sanger, as the prophet and the woman Prometheus of humanity’s highest physical and mental welfare.”
The person quoted above seems to have felt very strongly that only the highest of physical and mental standards should be met when “gestating fetuses”.
Who is it that uttered these words of adulation for a woman that believes, “We are failing to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . a dead weight of human waste . . .an ever-increasing spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.”?
None other than, former fetus, Helen Keller.
Even though she was a deaf blind woman who was a role model for millions, Helen Keller supported euthanasia of babies with severe disabilities.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
What an irony. Helen Keller became blind and deaf as a toddler, I believe as the result of scarlet fever. She was a normal fetus and child up until that point. Who better than her should have known that there are absolutely no guarantees in life, and being born free of disability is no guarantee of anything.
Unlike so many children in her circumstances, Helen’s parents had the means to provide for her and the great blessing of her teacher,Annie Sullivan. I believe Annie also suffered a visaul disability, correct me if I’m wrong, and was determined to keep Helen out of the horrific institutions she and her brother had grown up in.
Like I told you yesterday, this is just shocking to me. It’s hard to imagine the last person I ever would have imagined having a connection to Margaret Sanger, as being her fan. It just shows how deceiving Eugenic ideas can be.
Helen Keller has been an inspiration to millions, but how many would think of her as a role model, knowing that she supported killing people because they were disabled as she was?
She was supposed to inspire people to rise above their disabilities…not to think of themselves as less worthy of life because of them.
I’ve lost all admiration for Helen Keller, who lived in my homestate.
I never knew this about Helen Keller!! Always has been a role model to me and I have many of her famous quotes tucked away. I have much rethinking to do.
Helen keller’s quotes suddenly take on a new meaning:
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Bethany,
I share your sentiment. I have always greatly admired this woman’s accomplishments and the inspiration she has been to millions and that will never change. I can only say I am shocked and disappointed.
This brings up another issue. Without the resources of her parents and Annie Sullivan, the totally uncontrollable Helen would likely have wound up in an institution, where she would have been shut away as “retarded”, “hopeless”, viewed as an unthinking and unfeeling “vegetable” and likely died of abuse and neglect.
In fact, like so many people assumed to be “vegetables”, she just had absolutely no way of communicating or being communicated with.
Mary, so true…and sad.
What a phenomenal post, Mary Kay!!
Please let us know when you plan to hold a
workshop on blogger research techniques.
Prayers the Good Lord uses this information
to enlighten many, many people about the
insidious and pervasive nature of eugenics.
A common theme in many science fiction stories is the thought of babies being subject to some kind of “humanity” test. If they didn’t test human enough, than they were disposed of, used for organ transplants, etc.
I don’t think it’s that far fetched, anymore.
a husband shooting his wife to put her out of his misery
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WHY do you have to lie like this? You have no way at all of knowing what was in this mans heart and you have no way of knowing what was in his wifes heart. You dont know a thing about the real circumstances. You dont know the people involved. Why do you have to lie?
Just to point out some facts here – abortion was illegal for the whole time Sanger was alive. Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions. Sanger believed in social darwinism. So did a lot of people in the early 1900s who were well educated, intelligent, and ‘liberal’ in thought. You cannot judge the attitudes of someone living in 1900 by contemporary standards. Its absolutely absurd and ridiculous to try to do so. Racism, sexism, sexual discrimination, homophobia were all not just accepted. They were encouraged, condoned, justified and touted. And those attitudes dont have a thing to do with the U S in 2008. Its very telling that Keller wrote what she did. What does that say about how she felt about her own life?
TR,
What in heavens name did I lie about?
The guy shot his wife, claiming she was dying of ALS, when the only thing wrong with her was carpal tunnel syndrome. He’s going to jail. I think it’s pretty elementary what was going through his mind.
I reiterate…putting her out of his misery.
“Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions.”
that worked out well, huh.
Sanger believed in social darwinism. So did a lot of people in the early 1900s who were well educated, intelligent, and ‘liberal’ in thought.
hmmmm…we can only expect that in another hundred years we’ll be saying the same thing about todays well educated, intelligent liberals.
You cannot judge the attitudes of someone living in 1900 by contemporary standards. Its absolutely absurd and ridiculous to try to do so.
Absurd and ridiculous it might be, but I’m going to do it anyway…
In 2004 Black American Women had 38.2% of all U.S. abortions, according to CDC (Centers for Disease Control) data.
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Since Black Women only represent about 13% of the U.S. female population, 38.2% means that Black American Women had 4.1 times the IA (Induced Abortion) rate as the non-black U.S.
population in 2004.
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According to a 2007 study of Missouri women, Blacks have 3.7 times the risk of extremely pre-term birth (under 28.0 weeks’ gestation).
I’d say racism, prejudice, and keeping the “unfit” from procreating is alive and well. Today as well as “yesterday”…the only difference is that now, instead of having a slaveowner rip your child out of your arms and kill it, black women pay someone to do it.
The results are the same. The African American population is shrinking. And before you go pointing out that there are more African Americans today than ever, check your facts. They are immigrants, not naturally born.
Don’t miss Jessie Lee Peterson’s Abortion:Black Genocide
article today in World Net Daily.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56202
MK,
Been trying to email you but it comes back as un-sendable.
I’m in for the binding prayer. Thanks for sending it.
Happy Lent.
that’s weird…I’ve been getting email all day…I’ll send you one and use reply…
You know, H.Keller may not have totally understood what abortion was. Have you tried having a “deep conversation” with a deaf person? They don’t understand things to the level that we do, cut her some slack.
Helen Keller has been an inspiration to millions, but how many would think of her as a role model, knowing that she supported killing people because they were disabled as she was?
She was also a radical socialist, and one of Woodrow Wilson’s more outspoken opponents. Kind of ironic — she learns to speak, only to have her voice silenced by a treatment of history that views her opinions as inconvenient or, at the least, too controversial. I hate how US history classes teach historical figures as saints rather than people (Wilson gets the gilded treatment too; her opposition would merit a discussion of his racism, so neither is routinely discussed until the college level) — they remove the aspects that are complex or that don’t mesh with politically correct notions of what teenagers should know, and end up furthering black-and-white thinking rather than encouraging critical thinking. Woodrow Wilson battled for the League of Nations, and Helen Keller learned to speak, and that’s all you need to know.
If you ask me, the whole idea that people are either “role models” or not is simplistic. People do things worthy of admiration, and people do things worthy of scorn, and that’s just the way people are made. Personally, I think it would be much more inspiring for kids to learn that even someone who brought Jim Crow to Washington helped this country do some really great things. Knowledge like that might make current political scuffles seem less life-and-death.
Instead it’s just, everyone who ever did anything good in history believed exactly what we believe to be acceptable today! What a coincidence!
TR 10:29am
People today support abortion and euthenasia. What does that say about how they feel about their own lives? I understand Helen Keller wanted to help those “so much less fortunate than myself”. This sounds to me like a woman who valued her life and accomplished much despite overwhelming odds.
You’re certainly correct about the prejudice and bigotry of that era. My grandmother and her sisters were very open about their bigotry well into old age. Thankfully this is slowly fading, or at least is not as tolerated. But the prejudice against the disabled remains alive and thriving and ever the more acceptable. As one severely disabled woman, a practicing psychologist named Dr. Sondra Diamond who was born with cerebral palsy stated “we have all been brought up that there is something “bad” about physically diabled people”. Dr.Diamond described the every day humiliations she endured by people who assumed she couldn’t read, had no use for nice clothes, and assumed she had minimal mental function. A form of bigotry our society accepts and supports.
Alexandra, 11:43am
An excellent post and some very good points. How interesting about Helen Keller. I never knew her to be a radical socialist.
You’re certainly right about history. Even when I went to high school, Franklin Roosevelt received all kinds of adulation. No mention of his putting American citizens in concentration camps or a klansman on the Supreme Court.
“Have you tried having a “deep conversation” with a deaf person? They don’t understand things to the level that we do, cut her some slack.”
Rosie – that was an OBSCENELY ignorant thing to say. And patently false for that matter. Ever think maybe it was a breakdown of communication in your conversation with a deaf person rather than their ability to understand?
Oh, Keller was slime alright. I found out many years ago when reading some things she wrote lauding communism, socialism, the Russian revolution, and its murderous leaders! As a child of parents who fled communism in Cuba I was shocked to hear of her fondness for totalitarian. BTW, Cuba has one of the highest abortion rates in the world!
Many of these early century figures we were taught to think as heroes were flawed. Lots of them had wacky socialistic, utopian, eugenic ideas that continue till this day – only the names have changed.
You know, H.Keller may not have totally understood what abortion was. Have you tried having a “deep conversation” with a deaf person? They don’t understand things to the level that we do, cut her some slack.
As the sister of a profoundly deaf individual, I am deeply offended by this ignorant comment.
Perhaps your conversation wasn’t “deep” enough because of your inability to converse with this person.
“Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions.”
that worked out well, huh.
Posted by: jasper at February 13, 2008 10:44 AM
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Yes, it did. PP is probably the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US. If a woman doesnt get pregnant then she wont have an abortion. For every 3 women who go to PP for an abortion, 97 go for other reasons. A big part of those ‘other reasons’ is to get contraceptives. Not very bright, are you?
People today support abortion and euthenasia. What does that say about how they feel about their own lives? I understand Helen Keller wanted to help those “so much less fortunate than myself”. This sounds to me like a woman who valued her life and accomplished much despite overwhelming odds.
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It says they recognize there is a point in time when they wouldnt want to continue living. You have no way of knowing how much Keller suffered or how painful her life was.
The guy shot his wife, claiming she was dying of ALS, when the only thing wrong with her was carpal tunnel syndrome. He’s going to jail. I think it’s pretty elementary what was going through his mind.
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I must have missed the article that said she only had carpal tunnel. Do you have a link to that?
TR, http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-23/1202808249151590.xml&storylist=orlocal
http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=7857087
http://www.kptv.com/news/15272754/detail.html
Absurd and ridiculous it might be, but I’m going to do it anyway…
In 2004 Black American Women had 38.2% of all U.S. abortions, according to CDC (Centers for Disease Control) data.
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Since Black Women only represent about 13% of the U.S. female population, 38.2% means that Black American Women had 4.1 times the IA (Induced Abortion) rate as the non-black U.S.
population in 2004.
*
According to a 2007 study of Missouri women, Blacks have 3.7 times the risk of extremely pre-term birth (under 28.0 weeks’ gestation).
I’d say racism, prejudice, and keeping the “unfit” from procreating is alive and well. Today as well as “yesterday”…the only difference is that now, instead of having a slaveowner rip your child out of your arms and kill it, black women pay someone to do it.
The results are the same. The African American population is shrinking. And before you go pointing out that there are more African Americans today than ever, check your facts. They are immigrants, not naturally born.
Posted by: mk at February 13, 2008 10:54 AM
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And just what are the links between abortion and premature birth and poverty? Or dont you want to honestly address that? Just how many of the women who gave birth prematurely never had ANY health care while they were pregnant? Trying to pretend that ‘racism and prejudice’ are WHY black women are having abortions denies the fact that THEY are the ones GOING to the clinics of their own free will and THEY are the ones CHOOSING to end their pregnancies. YOU SAY all kinds of ridiculous ignorant absurd things. Im hardly surprised by it.
Just to point out some facts here – abortion was illegal for the whole time Sanger was alive. Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions. Sanger believed in social darwinism. So did a lot of people in the early 1900s who were well educated, intelligent, and ‘liberal’ in thought. You cannot judge the attitudes of someone living in 1900 by contemporary standards. Its absolutely absurd and ridiculous to try to do so. Racism, sexism, sexual discrimination, homophobia were all not just accepted. They were encouraged, condoned, justified and touted. And those attitudes dont have a thing to do with the U S in 2008. Its very telling that Keller wrote what she did. What does that say about how she felt about her own life?
Posted by: TexasRed at February 13, 2008 10:29 AM
TR: Margaret Sanger lived from 9/14/79 -9/6/66. She didn’t do much to help women AVOID abortions.
“In 1967 Colorado and California legalized abortion. By June, 1970, when the State of New York passed the first Abortion on Demand Law (24-week limit), it be-came the 16th state to allow abortion. Due to an extremely loose interpretation of “mental health,” California also had defacto abortion-on-demand. Alaska and Hawaii had liberal laws. Laws in the other 12 states, which included Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina and Virginia, were very restrictive, typically allowing abortion only for pregnancies due to assault rape, incest and life of the mother as well as for severe fetal handicap.” (from abortionfacts.com)
One of the purposes of studying history is to learn from our mistakes so we can avoid repeating them again. How can you say attitudes in 1900 have nothing to do with what’s going on in the U.S. in 2008? Obviously neither Sanger nor Keller understood the sanctity of ALL human life, and in 2008 we still haven’t learned.
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PP is probably the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US. If a woman doesnt get pregnant then she wont have an abortion. For every 3 women who go to PP for an abortion, 97 go for other reasons. A big part of those ‘other reasons’ is to get contraceptives. Not very bright, are you?
Posted by: TexasRed at February 13, 2008 12:38 PM
TR: I recently read somewhere (sorry, I can’t remember the source) that the percentage of unplanned pregnancies that result from failed contraception is 50%.
Thank you Bethany. I hadnt read that. None of the papers here have covered the story at all as far as I can tell. Now that’s just freakin creepy.
It really is, isn’t it?
Hellen Keller’s praise of Margaret Sanger and Nehru speaks to pro-abortion folks judgement of “others”. In her mind, it is a kindness to have less of the others mucking around in India. The “joys of childhood’ she mentioned are probably only the joys of her childhood — what could her experience have been with India.
Pro-abortion folks see poor women and women with unplanned pregnancies as ‘others’. They are a group who are stupid, poor and generally inferior, in their opinion. Their children are burdens with no hope of rising above anything — just future losers and criminals.
When I decided to keep my child, I realized that I had become an “other’ to many people. Many of my friends fled the scene and some made dire predictions about my future. The stigma was most appearant from the most liberal of those I encountered. It seemed that I, by becoming an un-wed mother, had made a trip from ‘one of us’ to ‘one of them’.
In her note, HK displays the condescending tone of the distant do-gooder who wants to help all those ‘others’ by killing their children. It’s even creepy to see her mention the ‘joys of childhood’ thing — as if her own experience was at all like anyone else’s. I don’t think her childhood of darkness and silence was all that joyful… really how can she judge the value of anyone else’s childhood at all.
TR: Margaret Sanger lived from 9/14/79 -9/6/66. She didn’t do much to help women AVOID abortions.
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Of course she did. She helped them obtain contraceptives.
TR: I recently read somewhere (sorry, I can’t remember the source) that the percentage of unplanned pregnancies that result from failed contraception is 50%.
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How many abortions do you think there would be in the US if women didnt HAVE contraceptives? PP helps women get access to contraceptives. That helps prevent unwanted pregnancies. Preventing unwanted pregnancies is going to prevent abortions. PP is “the largest abortion provider in the US”. That’s because its the only health care provider I know of that has clinics in all 50 states. I am GUESSING its ALSO the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US too. If women PREVENT pregnancy then they arent going to be having an abortion.
LB @12:54 Great post!
Thanks, Bethany :)
TR 12:43pm
I haven’t noticed these supporters of abortion and euthenasia to be in any hurry to end their own lives. Dying is fine, so long as someone else does it. Do you know for certain all of those aborted or killed through euthenasia would have wanted to be? No, I have no idea how or if Keller suffered or how much. Do you?
MK, 10:54am
I recently saw an article that black women are also dying of breast cancer in disproportionate numbers as well, even those diagnosed early and treated. I have no studies to prove any connection to their higher proportion of abortions, I just thought it was interesting(and very tragic) in light of what you said about the black prematurity rate and research showing a breast cancer/abortion connection.
LB 12:54PM
You question if HK’s childhood of darkness and silence could have been all that joyful. Are you not judging her childhood? Are you, like HK, making the assumption that people are limited in experiencing joyful lives because of a disability?
“Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions.”
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that worked out well, huh.
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Yes, it did. PP is probably the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US. If a woman doesnt get pregnant then she wont have an abortion.
That worked out well, huh? (40 million abortions later…)
Mario’s comment — “Oh, Keller was slime alright.” — perfectly illustrates what I was trying to say before, even though his general idea is the same as mine:
Many of these early century figures we were taught to think as heroes were flawed. Lots of them had wacky socialistic, utopian, eugenic ideas that continue till this day – only the names have changed.
I think that’s something encouraging, not something discouraging. I mean, this country is pretty great, and it’s struggled with basically all of the same issues — or similar ones — that we’re struggling with now, so it would logically follow that as long as we keep working, we can be pretty great in the future.
It’s quite sad that we can’t just rationally look at historical figures as people, that they’re so often either ‘role models’ or ‘slime.’ An ability to see the complexity of individual people, and their capacity for simultaneous greatness and ‘not-so-greatness’ might do this country a world of good.
TR,
You’re too funny.
THEY are the ones GOING to the clinics of their own free will and THEY are the ones CHOOSING to end their pregnancies. YOU SAY all kinds of ridiculous ignorant absurd things. Im hardly surprised by it.
Did you just ignore where I wrote:
“..the only difference is that now, instead of having a slaveowner rip your child out of your arms and kill it, black women pay someone to do it.
“Yes, it did. PP is probably the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US.”
yea, it worked out well alright. Intended to prevent abortions, now we 50 million dead unborn children on our hands. If you radical feminazis think that is ok, theres something wrong with you.
TR,
And just what are the links between abortion and premature birth and poverty? Or dont you want to honestly address that?
Sure, I’ll address that. More black women have abortions than white women. More black women have premature births. Looks like the attempt to eliminate black women and their spawn is going better than they hoped. They have the added benefit of the black babies that do avoid being aborted are born early, have lower birth weights and are therefore less likely to survive, or be healthy. Is that what you meant?
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1695927,00.html
Abortions increase the risk of low birth weight in future pregnancies by a factor of three, and of premature birth by a factor of two, according to the largest U.S. study of its kind. The study is hardly perfect; …the report, published today in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (JECH), shows one of the strongest links yet between miscarriage or abortion on premature birth and low birth weight
TR,
Not only will I provide you a link to the story of the man killing his wife…but you have a starring role in it…
https://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/_just_a_few_quo.html#comments
TR 12:59PM
Really TR, that’s the favorite PC argument. We hear it in my town too. Sure, the teen pregnancy rate here is high, but how much worse would it be without PP? Never mind that nothing has been done to solve the problem. I consider 40 million abortions a dismal failure, but just think how much worse it would be otherwise. How do you know for a fact it would be so much worse TR? Spare me.
LB 12:54PM
You question if HK’s childhood of darkness and silence could have been all that joyful. Are you not judging her childhood? Are you, like HK, making the assumption that people are limited in experiencing joyful lives because of a disability?
Posted by: Mary at February 13, 2008 1:59 PM
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Mary — I plead guilty — I only know what HK’s childhood looked like when it was portrayed in the Miracle Worker– which is a very limited lens indeed.
Yes, that is exactly why people shouldn’t assume the value of the lives of others. In fact, I find it somewhat ironic that HK is judging other people who she never saw or heard.
** on a related note, my mother once told me that she felt that HK was used as a tool by other people with agendas***
LB,
I well remember the movie “The Miracle Worker”. Patty Duke was incredible as HK. You could just see how she was struggling to “get out”. Like you, I also consider it ironic she would judge the value of other’s lives. As I pointed out in a previous post, had she been born into any other circumstances she likely would have wound up in an institution, dying of abuse and neglect, viewed as someone who’s life had no value.
HK as a tool by other people with agendas? Very possible. I certainly felt the late Christopher Reeve was, though I had only respect for him as a true advocate for the disabled, as well as his late wife.
** on a related note, my mother once told me that she felt that HK was used as a tool by other people with agendas***
Posted by: LB at February 13, 2008 2:40 PM
“The more things change, the more they stay the same.”
Alphonse Karr
“Rosie – that was an OBSCENELY ignorant thing to say. And patently false for that matter. Ever think maybe it was a breakdown of communication in your conversation with a deaf person rather than their ability to understand?”
No it isn’t OBSCENELY ignorant, it’s true. My brother is deaf and like I said they don’t understand things the way we do, most don’t comprehend reading past an eighth grade level, sorry that irritates you but it is what it is. Look it up if you disagree, now throw being blind in the mix…. How would H.Keller know the world was over-populated, maybe because that was what some yahoo told her. Would you agree that people with handicaps are easier to manipulate??? They have to rely on people quite a bit and are more trusting than they ought to be, I saw it happen a lot growing up.
“As the sister of a profoundly deaf individual, I am deeply offended by this ignorant comment.
Perhaps your conversation wasn’t “deep” enough because of your inability to converse with this person.”
I converse just fine, thanks for the concern. As a matter of fact my brother is the one who brought up how hard it is to have a “deep conversation” with other deaf people. He’s quite advanced despite his handicap, my mother worked hard with him. I have to agree with him, sorry you’re pissed.
Rosie,
My brother is also deaf. He has an engineering degree from the Univesity of Illinois and works for Motorolla. He understands perfectly well what abortion is and does not need anyone to “cut him any slack.” I’m sorry, I still believe your comment was ignorant and offensive.
I’m gonna jump on the TR bandwagon too. With this quote,
“You cannot judge the attitudes of someone living in 1900 by contemporary standards. Its absolutely absurd and ridiculous to try to do so.”
uh, pardon me. Didn’t we do this with Christopher Columbus recently, with the British treatment of native Americans etc, etc. And yet you want to give MS Sanger a break. I think not!
As for Helen Keller, I’ve read numerous biographies on her and she was quite liberal and held some deeply disturbing views. If memory serves me correctly, she also was not much of a believer in God.
The African American population is shrinking.
Holy Crow, MK – since 1950 the black population, as a percentage of Americans, has gone up by 50%. In no way is it “shrinking.”
Doug
Samantha,
“My brother is also deaf. He has an engineering degree from the Univesity of Illinois and works for Motorolla. He understands perfectly well what abortion is and does not need anyone to “cut him any slack.”
If he were also blind he would need people to cut him some slack, no way around it.
“I’m sorry, I still believe your comment was ignorant and offensive.”
You are intitled, i’ll let my brother know that you think his opinion of his peers is ignorant and that he is offensive. Have you asked your brother his opinion on the matter, just curious…I don’t see why you would consider my brother to be ignorant because of his point of view…whatever…
Doug,
The African American population is shrinking.
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Holy Crow, MK – since 1950 the black population, as a percentage of Americans, has gone up by 50%. In no way is it “shrinking.”
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Doug
The results are the same. The African American population is shrinking. And before you go pointing out that there are more African Americans today than ever, check your facts. They are immigrants, not naturally born.
“Part of her purpose in fouding Planned Parenthood was to help women AVOID abortions.”
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that worked out well, huh.
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Yes, it did. PP is probably the biggest provider of contraceptives in the US. If a woman doesnt get pregnant then she wont have an abortion.
That worked out well, huh? (40 million abortions later…)
Posted by: mk at February 13, 2008 2:08 PM
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Would 400 million abortions make you happier?
Would 400 million abortions make you happier?
That question doesn’t even make sense. :-S
Bethany,
Sure it does. Sally is saying that with Birth Control we have 40 million abortions. Without it we’d have 400 million. Better to keep birth control.
Of course that’s ridiculous. We certainly didn’t have 400 million abortions before Roe v Wade. We didn’t have 40 million. We actually had “relatively” few compared to what we have now. And Birth Control was illegal in the 30’s. Where were the 400 million abortions then?
MK: The results are the same. The African American population is shrinking. And before you go pointing out that there are more African Americans today than ever, check your facts. They are immigrants, not naturally born.
Oy Vey – even if it was due to immigration, more people is more people, and the population would not be shrinking.
HisMan posted some factually incorrect stuff a while back and in looking at it I saw that for blacks the birth rate is at or above replacement rate in the US, while for whites it’s not. Not shrinking, not at all.
Bethany,
Sure it does. Sally is saying that with Birth Control we have 40 million abortions. Without it we’d have 400 million. Better to keep birth control.
Of course that’s ridiculous. We certainly didn’t have 400 million abortions before Roe v Wade. We didn’t have 40 million. We actually had “relatively” few compared to what we have now. And Birth Control was illegal in the 30’s. Where were the 400 million abortions then?
Posted by: mk at February 14, 2008 6:06 AM
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mk,
Not even one single abortion would be acceptable to you. Unless God performed it. Then a woman should be grateful of God’s consideration.
Are you pissed that you have 6 children? Would you be pissed if you had 6 miscarriages instead?
what does that even mean???
Sally,
Not even one single abortion would be acceptable to you.
You are correct. Not even one would be acceptable.
Unless God performed it. Then a woman should be grateful of God’s consideration.
Yes, then it would be acceptable. And while it might make me sad, I would be grateful that God has my back. I accept everything He sends my way, and am always grateful, although sometimes I don’t understand “WHY” He does what He does. It’s enough for me to just trust Him.
Are you pissed that you have 6 children? Would you be pissed if you had 6 miscarriages instead?
LOL There are definitely days that I’m less than thrilled with my six kids, although usually not all six at once. Yesterday was Tom’s turn. Tomorrow I’ll probably want to sell Johnny! If I had had six miscarriages instead of six kids? Pissed? No. Sad? Very. But I’m also a little miffed that Chicago is cold in the winter. Some stuff just is what it is, and accepting it is part of being at peace.
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Amen!