No, it’s not Halloween, it’s an abortion mill
What week would be complete these days without news of the latest abortion mill freak show?
Today’s featured mill is the Northern Illinois Women’s Center, in Rockford.
I’ll have more to say on this chop shop when our side works out the technical glitches with a video they’re trying to upload in conjunction with the lawsuit they just filed against the City of Rockford for discrimination and against the mill owners for harrassment, which the video shows.
For now, enjoy these photos of the mill taken by pro-lifers.
Let me introduce the photos by explaining why some of the brick and windows are different. This is a 2-building complex, an old school. I’ve taken a Google photo to provide context, courtesy of Google maps:
And now, on with the slide show. Can you imagine any legitimate surgical center or doctor’s office looking like this? See the rest on page 2. Click to enlarge…
Welcome, but beware of dogs…
Smith, Wesson, Jesus, and the Pope…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Nice.
Wtf is hung by a noose in the window?
dead chicken
Elizabeth: It is a rubber chicken.
Oops, didn’t see Jill’s response to Elizabeth.
Is that supposed to scare people or something? I really don’t get the point of it.
Are the windows cracked and taped? Its hard to tell for certain. Where is the dog kept, in the clinic?
With any luck, the judge will dismiss the case and fine the “protestors” and their lawyers for clogging up the court with their nonsense.
Trying to be bad arses and failing miserably.
OMFG!! BREAKING NEWS!!
Some pro choicers have tacky taste in decor!
STOP THE PRESSSES!
THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Amanda,
That wasn’t the news..if you read the article, they are filing a lawsuit and there will be a video related I believe.
And I wouldn’t call a rubber chicken hung by a noose just “tacky taste in decor”
If you blow up the window with the pic of Jesus in it, it looks like behind the pope is a coffin with a doll in it, and right in front of the cross, it looks like the Eucharist…And honestly, that doesn’t look like a “rubber” chicken. It looks like a real one…
This place is truly creepy…
Mk,
Those could be BC pills in front of the cross…
And YES, it does look a coffin with a doll in it.
SICK.
Elizabeth,
Yeah, I guess it could be BC pills, tho it looks smooth. Either way, it’s sick. BC pills at the foot of the cross? Or a stolen Host? Really satanic if you ask me. It’s no accident that it’s in the window. Like thumbing their nose at God. It reminds me of the “Sexiest Jesus” contest they held in San Francisco last month. Why bring Him into it?
Mk,
Agreed…it is really twisted..especially the noose and dead chicken…seems like a threat to me.
E,
Or just a celebration of death…it’s one thing to say that you are prochoice because sometimes life throws you a curve ball (NOTE: I vehemently disagree, but at least this misguided notion comes from a degree of compassion) and an entirely other to mock this horrible “choice”…It’s like they are laughing about the whole thing.
Who could find something as horrible as abortion funny?
But nobody is really pro ABORTION, right, Doug????? They are just pro choice!
Amanda,
It’s not just bad taste in decorating…honestly, don’t you find a doll in a coffin, next to a crucifix and opposite a dead chicken in a noose at a “Doctor’s” office, to be more than just bad taste?
I do understand your point, MK..I though abortion was such a “hard” decision and yet he is mocking this decision. So much for helping women.
I am off..it is bath and then bedtime..and then, sitting on the couch and decompressing time.
Amanda, how can those possibly simply be considered “poor taste” in decor? Do you really think this? I wouldn’t think of someone like you as really feeling this way about these types of things sitting outside of what is supposed to be a professional women’s center. Is this type of decor so common that you pass it off as if it’s nothing?
Hahahaha! That’s hilarious!
If someone was sneaking around my clinic and taking photos of it, I’d put up signs and hang chickens and stuff too! Seriously, I think they just did this to mess with the creepy stalker pro-lifers.
Edyt,
But what about the patients? Did they give any consideration to how unsettling a strung up chicken might be to a patient?
Edyt,
Would you go there for “health care?”
Just imagine. All those years of medical school, and this is your office.
Makes one proud, doesn’t it?
Some of our big city hospitals are surrounded by gangs, guns, muggers, rapists, and thieves. I don’t recall seeing any strung up chickens in the windows of the hospitals to “mess” with the creepy characters who hang around the hospital.
Abortion was going to be the great equalizer between the rich and poor. I wonder how many celebrities and CEO wives and daughters go to this place.
Edyt,
You seriously think this is a professional way to run your business? I mean if it was a gag gift store, or a costume shop…okay…but it’s a medical building.
And no matter what the reasons, do you honestly think that openly mocking someones faith is all right?
If those were statues/pictures of Mohammed in the window with pork hanging from nooses, do you think that would be “funny” too?
I’m really kind of disappointed that you would do something like this! I have a great sense of humor, but abortion simply isn’t funny.
That’s Ragsdale’s place, isn’t it? The guy who got caught with photos of his 3-year-old foster daughter in black lace thong panties. And here’s info on some of the lawsuits against him. He used to work out of used-car dealership owned by a guy named Wayne Weber. Here’s my notes on Weber, which show Ragsdale and his associates are no strangers to freak shows:
Indicted on four felonies relating to possession of a stolen van used in drug trade: possession of stolen vehicle, concealment of vehicle identity, possession of vehicle with falsified identification number, removal of identification number; claimed he did not know van was stolen. Photo shows him outside building, dressed in devil suit and exposing genitals. Posted signs outside building including: “Jesus loves these braindead assholes,” “These Bible-thumpers suffer from lack-o-nookie,” “Free coat hangers to picketers wives and mothers,” “God bless these horny old sweat-hogs,” and one identifying a particular woman as the “lardass in hot pink.” Had person dressed as “Condom Monster” (similar to Muppet “Cookie Monster”) and hand out condoms, some inflated with helium, to protesters’ children. (Rockford Register-Star 3-14-92, Rockford Labor News, photographs of site)
(Please nuke accidental multiple posts — having trouble getting it to post.)
Christina, good eye. Yes, it’s Ragsdale’s old place.
(And re: trouble posting, the site automatically holds a post with hyperlinks.)
OMFG!! BREAKING NEWS!!
Some pro choicers have tacky taste in decor!
STOP THE PRESSSES!
THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Honestly, do you NOT know when to just shut up? And really, Amanda, your acronym…was it REALLY called for? With your unbelievable wealth of intelligence, you couldn’t have come up with something better than THAT?
Wait, let me guess…you’ve been to poor nations helping those in need who made their living manufacturing rubber chickens, too.
Please, do tell!
Can’t help but weigh in here. Edyt is right, but here is how I would word it: PCers haven’t forgotten the bad old anti-abortion domestic terrorism days, which aren’t as over as you antis like to claim they are, especially given that there are antis out there stalking and photographing clinics on what seems to be a regular basis. But in spite of this, the PCers at this clinic have maintained and display a fairly appropriate sense of humor intended to provoke, and judging by all the wagging of fingers and clicking of tongues by you antis here, I’d say it is quite effective.
Had person dressed as “Condom Monster” (similar to Muppet “Cookie Monster”) and hand out condoms, some inflated with helium, to protesters’ children.
From someone trained not to counter-protest when escorting, but who secretly harbors fantasies of doing so spectacularly, that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Thanks for posting it, Christina! I wish I had been there to see it!
Seriously, you antis are so pious and serious that it is just too easy to shock and appall you, without even violating any laws.
This is just too funny! Rockford citizens enjoy refurbishing old buildings rather than knocking them down. I can’t remember which school this was but it was built about the same time as the former Children’s Home on North Main that is also now a business building. Kinda weird that you have a problem with buildings from the 1800’s that have withstood the test of floods, tornadoes and earth tremors Jill. These are some incredible buildings.
I would also suggest it unwise for out of towners to hang out on Broadway spewing Biblical nonsense. If you have not been invited to be part of the community, you are not welcome. You get the welcome you deserve.
Rockford has an interesting historical personality. Rockfordians do not take kindly to outsiders telling them how to govern themselves.
Especially Peorians Jill.
LOL!
from their website:
NIWC is located in Rockford, Illinois at the corner of Broadway and 10th Street. The clinic is in a large, two story building of brick and limestone. The parking lot is located on 10th street and is for the private use of the clinic. Commonly there are people on the corner or the sidewalk protesting. Ignore them. Do not stop. They cannot follow you into the parking lot or come into the building.
Great job, pro-lifers! For them to put this on their website, you guys must be doing a GREAT job being visible for them!!!! Keep up the great work!
More, LOL! (from the same website, http://www.northernillinoiswomencenter.com/staff.htm)
“The clinic is staffed by a diverse group of heath care providers from a wide variety of backgrounds. Every one is fiercely pro-choice and dedicated to providing compassionate professional care in an emotionally and physically safe setting.”
What exactly does “fiercely pro-choice” mean???
From Encarta Dictionary:
Fierce(ly):
1. Aggressive: characterized by or showing aggression or anger.
2. Violent or intense: characterized by the violence or intensity of the forces, activity, or participants involved.
3. Profound: deeply and intensely felt and often aggressively expressed.
DANG! At least they don’t lie!!!!
Ray: From someone trained not to counter-protest when escorting, but who secretly harbors fantasies of doing so spectacularly, that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Thanks for posting it, Christina! I wish I had been there to see it!
Seriously, you antis are so pious and serious that it is just too easy to shock and appall you, without even violating any laws.
Taking photos is not illegal. Journalists do it all the time. I’d say we antis are not shocked, just amazed at the level of immaturity displayed by the employees at the clinic. I bet their parents are sooooo proud.
Sally,
I don’t think Jill is arguing the merits of the architecture in Rockford. I know there are a lot of Pro-lifers in Rockford who would like nothing better than to see more protestors show up in their fine city.
Sally,
I don’t think Jill is arguing the merits of the architecture in Rockford. I know there are a lot of Pro-lifers in Rockford who would like nothing better than to see more protestors show up in their fine city.
Posted by: Janet at April 4, 2008 11:36 PM
And you would know that how?
Turning a school into a child killing factory. How perverse.
Just call this the Nouveau Morto style of architecture….oh so liberal!
Tell me something killies, is it a “choice” or a chicken?
Ray 11:03PM
Spare me. I’ve been to hospitals in neighborhoods where you took your life in your hands walking from the parking lot to the door, usually under armed guard. I never recall any dead chickens hanging in windows. But then we’re talking true medical professionals here.
Since you find the “condom monster” so hilarious tell me what you think of Ragsdale, the great thinker behind the “condom monster”, being caught with photos of his foster daughter in a black lace thong. Also, his wearing a devil suit with his genitals flapping in the wind. Bet you’re sorry you missed that one too.
Face it Ray, if this happened in the days prior to Roe v Wade, you and other PCers would howl and use this as an example as to why abortion needs to be legalized to close down places like this and put degenerates like Ragsdale out of business.
Sally 11:10PM
The issue here is not old buildings. Also looking at those windows I seriously doubt the building has been refurbished, which can cost several thousand, even a few million to do. They occupied an empty building, likely because it was cheaper than building a new clinic. That’s hardly “refurbishing” it.
I have worked in hospitals that were truly refurbished old buildings. Beautiful buildings and places to work in. One was even reported to be haunted by a long dead OR nurse, which just added to the charm. The numerous old buildings I have seen refurbished were works of art, and none of them had dead chickens hanging in the windows.
Wait, I just read that Richard Ragsdale, abortionist, died in 2004…what am I missing.
Also, I found this. Since his wife is a photographer, do you think these are his pictures???? Creepy, whoever’s they are…
http://tinyurl.com/6m2jc3
Okay,
This guy took over for Ragsdale after he died. Sounds like a “nice guy”…NOT.
Dr. Dennis Christensen, who does abortions at the Madison Abortion Clinic, said he regularly pulls part of the fetus out of the uterus before the fetus dies when he does dilation and evacuation abortions.
Christensen also said he always tries to pull as much of the fetus as possible from the uterus, and sometimes pulls out all but the head before collapsing it. He agreed with Haskell that it’s best to avoid putting forceps into the uterus.
MK,
I remember hearing of this method years ago when it first came into use. It was called dilatation and evacuation but that term is used interchangably with others so it can be confusing. This method was developed to guarantee a dead baby in later term abortion. It was quite embarassing when the babies were born alive not to mention a bother when you had to decide what to do with them.
One feminist manual I read described this as the fetus being born with “signs of life” and bemoaned that the cost of caring for a surviving fetus might be passed on to the woman.
What a disgusting, sordid place.
I can’t believe anyone would go there for (alleged) “medical care”. It looks like a good place to contract a staph superbug! But, I guess if your concept of “medical care” includes pulling “part of the fetus out of the uterus before the fetus dies”, then, hey, it’s probably a great place to go!
S.
JLM 11:29!! Rofl!!
Well Ray and Edyt seem to find this whole thing funny. I gotta say that my respect for them just went down a notch. Or two.
Ok, hanging a rubber chicken in a window is bizarre, unusual and threatening…
However, driving a truck covered with posters of mutilated fetuses and carrying huge posters of mutilated dismembered fetuses magnified 20 times to scare children is “normal”.
Welcome to Crazy Town, home of the anti-choice extremists.
Hi Sally!!!
I just knew you couldn’t stay away!! Welcome back!! :)
Wait, let me guess…you’ve been to poor nations helping those in need who made their living manufacturing rubber chickens, too.
I’m sorry to be so pedestrian here…but that was flippin
Bystander 9:23am
I’m sure you would agree that pictures depicting the horrors of Darfur are also unacceptable and should not be put on display.
Sally: Welcome back!
Bystander,
I we were “carrying huge posters of mutilated dismembered fetuses magnified 20 times” because we thought it was funny, and wanted to “stick it” to pro choicers, you might have a point.
No, it is not “NORMAL”…but neither is abortion.
We hold those “signs” to show a truth…a horrible, ugly truth, that is happening in our backyards. I doubt there is a dead chicken hanging in that window to expose a “truth”, or a doll in a coffin…You accuse us of being “threatening”…well I can tell you, I’d rather meet a pro lifer in a dark alley over these sick puppies that think dead human beings are funny, any day!
Hey Sally. How’ve you been? It’s been awfully quiet around here! Glad to see you back.
MK 10:30am
Speaking of threatening, if I approached a building with a dead chicken hanging in the window I would interpret that as: “enter if you dare”.
Also “Beware of the Dog”. Is this some huge dog running loose in the yard that can take a bite out of patients coming to the clinic as well as protesters? I hope that animal is restrained, but then it wouldn’t be too useful at chasing away protesters.
This place keeps looking better and better.
However, driving a truck covered with posters of mutilated fetuses and carrying huge posters of mutilated dismembered fetuses magnified 20 times to scare children is “normal”.
Welcome to Crazy Town, home of the anti-choice extremists.
Again, Bystander, you are right on the money.
MK 10:30
The problem here is that you, like most anti-choice extremists cannot understand that your mutilated fetus fetish may attract other crazies, but completely alienates anyone normal, including those who do not favor abortion.
Actually, you provoke more anger and disdain from normal people who do not favor abortion, as they realize that as long as you crazies are the “face” of the anti-abortion movement, it will never succeed.
Your claim that your mutilated fetus display is the “truth”, and will somehow convince people that you are right by displaying them is a delusion.
Your mantra that “abortion is so bad that it justifies anything we do” is the rationale of the terrorist who says that “America is so bad, that we need to blow up airplanes and office buildings and kill innocent people”.
Since crazies, by definition, cannot reason, I direct this to those who visit this site who can.
Since many of the extremist “prolifers” have a significant criminal and mental health commitment history, as well as a history of violence and threats, I do not wish to encounter them on a public street in daylight, much less in a dark alley at night….
“PCers haven’t forgotten the bad old anti-abortion domestic terrorism days, which aren’t as over as you antis like to claim they are, especially given that there are antis out there stalking and photographing clinics on what seems to be a regular basis. But in spite of this, the PCers at this clinic have maintained and display a fairly appropriate sense of humor intended to provoke…”
Posted by: Ray at April 4, 2008 11:03 PM
Stalking and photographing are not on the same plane as bombing and shooting. If they are, then the federal government is waging a full-on war with animal rights activists these days! And if the clinic is more interested in provoking or irritating activists than it is the women going in, then why should a woman go there? Why go someplace that’s more interested in orchestrating a pissing match than in having the patient’s best interests in mind?
Vegan 11:45 Great post!
Bystander, 11:41am
By a significant criminal and mental commitment history, are you referring to people such as the late abortionist Ragsdale? You know, the sicko who dresses like the devil with his genitals flapping in the breeze and who likes pictures of a little girl barely out of diapers wearing black lace thong?
Vegan,
I second Bethany on that! Your point about provoking and irritating activists raises this question.
If the clinic lives in such mortal terror of what these “crazies” will do, why are they trying to provoke them? I don’t know about anyone else but the last thing I would do is provoke anyone I have reason to be very fearful of.
By: Since many of the extremist “prolifers” have a significant criminal and mental health commitment history, as well as a history of violence and threats, I do not wish to encounter them on a public street in daylight, much less in a dark alley at night….
You would probably be safe as long as you left your “I Love Abortion” T-shirt in your closet at home.
Ray,
Speaking of dressing like the devil while flashing the public, you never did answer my question (4:39am) as to whether or not you also regret missing this display by Ragsdale in addition to missing the “condom monster” display.
Anonymous: bystander should probably take the “I brake for baby killing” bumper sticker off his car too.
Bystander,
Oh yeah, pictures of aborted babies is right up there with 911…if this is your idea of rational thought, then I have to ask…who’s crazy?
Carrie (12:32 pm) and Anon (12:21 pm)
LOL!!!!
This is so creepy, for something supposedly being a medical center. Pro-choicers, I can’t honestly understand your approval of this. Being pro-choice shouldn’t mean “support abortion clinics at all cost.” You should be up in arms like we are for disrespecting their position and role in the health care field. If this were another clinic (say dentistry or urgent care) then everyone would decry this as completely unprofessional and ridiculous! Would you feel comfortable getting your teeth worked on in a place like that? Much less your vagina?
PIP,
Excellent post. Our local humane society looks far more professional.
MK 12:43 Of course it is not just the mutilated fetus pictures. It is the shootings, bombings, death threats,anonymous threatening letters, posting PP patient’s pictures on the internet, throwing bloody fetus dolls in backyards for kids to find, screaming threats, all the fun things you crazies like to do.
One particular favorite is Ron Brock’s truck with a huge poster of the Virginia Tech gunman, with his murder weapons drawn, and the slogan “blood will run in the streets”.
I know that is really cool to you, but it is a threat and terrorism to us non-crazies.
Thanks for so perfectly making my point about anti-choice extremists being unable to reason.
The good thing for you, is that you can disagree with me, and I won’t threaten you or appear in front of your house with a truckload of mental patients, as you crazies love to do.
Go get your mutilated fetus poster, mk, I think there are some kids out playing near you!
And all you non-crazies, have a good weekend!
With competition like this…is it any wonder why Planned Parenthood is increasing it’s numbers of abortions and profits?
“Bystander”/unjust thinking,
Non-crazies do not support the savage acts of violence you real crazies thrive on, and which Ron Brock and others expose.
Unlike you, I’ve actually met and talked WITH, not just about/at, Ron Brock. The quote about blood running in the streets is not a threat; it is a quoted prophecy of what naturally happens to any society that loses respect for human life. It’s about as much of a threat as telling someone that jumping off a cliff, or smoking cigarettes, etc., could be hazardous to their health or even kill them. There is a difference between a threat and a warning and you know it. You just don’t want to make that distinction in this case because it would destroy that imaginary moral highground so essential to your projecting onto your opposition your own callous, cruel, indifference to real women and children…the ones injured and killed DAILY in hellholes like NIWC, not the imaginary ones who are liberated, helped, empowered, etc. by the atrocities you support.
Stop the killing, and every truth trucker/picketer I know will gladly stop showing the pictures which expose the horror of what you do, directly or indirectly. Suppression of evidence of mass murder is for crazies, not real non-crazies.
Why not post your photo, bystander? See, that way, if any of us non-crazies ever happen to see you in danger of dismemberment, we’ll all know to back off and be just…well, just bystanders, as you are ripped limb from limb with no anesthetic, and no advocate. But if we happen to forget and actually save your life, I’m sure you’d pardon our intrusion, wouldn’t you?!
Real anti-choice extremists are the ones who don’t let smaller, weaker persons have a chance to make any choices, ever, because you kill them before they are even born. If they were given a choice in that matter, they would never agree with the one you so cruelly impose on them.
Oh, and to anyone else concerned, a much more accurate perspective on violence and death chambers than you’ll ever hear from wackjobs like “bystander”, et al, can be found at abortionviolence.com.
Pro-lifers condemn the actions of those who bomb abortion clinics and most of the other things you mentioned, Bystander.
From Wikipedia:
Pro-life reactions to anti-abortion violence
Nearly all mainstream pro-life organizations reject violence as a form of opposition to abortion.[9] Advocates of force tend to be small groups or lone individuals.[9] Pro-life activism generally consists of activism such as picketing, vigils, and “sidewalk counseling” outside abortion clinics……”
“…..In response to incidents of anti-abortion violence, many groups in the pro-life movement have sought to isolate themselves from violent factions in a number of ways. Many pro-life advocates have vocally condemned violent actions against abortion providers as running contrary to the values and goals of the right-to-life cause.[23]
Following the 1998 bombing of a clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, Feminists for Life offered a reward for the arrest and conviction of those responsible.[24] In 2001, Priests for Life, a group of pro-life Catholics in the United States, put in place a $50,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest of fugitives wanted in connection with violence against abortion providers.[25] The American Life League issued a “Pro-life Proclamation Against Violence” in 2006.[26] Other pro-life groups to take a stand against violence include Center for Bio-Ethical Reform and Pro-Lifers Against Clinic Violence. However, a few anti-abortion leaders have qualified their condemnation of anti-abortion violence by suggesting that the harm created by pro-life crime is small in comparison to the harm they associate with abortion providers. Scholarship contextualizes this support for violence as a political weapon against women’s rights, one that is associated with tolerance for violence toward women.[27]
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And speaking of all these violent actions you mentioned, I feel this is a good time to bring some of these up (although there’s tons more where it came from):
According to a former employee of his abortion mill, “New Woman Health Care,” abortionist Bruce Lucero asked for a baseball bat, then got a tire iron and went outside his New Woman Health Care abortion clinic and assaulted a pro-lifer, hitting him in the back and arm. While on trial for the assault, he was escorted to the judge’s chambers by two police officers and convicted of contempt for continuing to talk during the trial after the judge instructed him to be silent. He was given a suspended sentence and was fined. A security specialist testified that Lucero told security guards that he wanted the pro-lifers “hurt,” and that just prior to his testifying, the security specialist received a phone call threatening his family. On another occasion, Lucero slammed a man into a post while the man was talking to a patient about to enter the building; the man was treated by paramedics at the scene.
On another occasion, a security guard for the abortion mill threw a man to the ground and repeatedly beat his head on the pavement, bloodying his face, after the man tried to write down the license number of another security guard’s car. When a woman pro-lifer asked the guard to desist in the assault, he grabbed her by the ankle and jerked her off her feet, then held her down and attempted to beat her face on the pavement, kneeling on her back and holding her down. The assaulted man was treated by paramedics and at University Hospital.
The abortionist was also assessed for unpaid federal taxes of $11,725.25 on May 12, 1990, and was sued by the Colorado Student Obligation Bond Authority for an unpaid debt of $7,846.42.
Lucero also hosted a local radio talk show. He told a caller his solution to the abortion debate: “What we’re going to do is set two little boxes in our income-tax statement. If you believe in pro-choice, you pay only $300 in taxes so that you pay for a woman to have an abortion. And if you’re opposed to abortion, you check the other little box and you pay $3,000 to raise an illegitimate child.”
References: Birmingham News, March 21, 1993, June 9 and July 3, 1991, March 21, 1993, and February 22, 1994; Post-Herald, November 14, 1990; Jefferson County Circuit Court Case Nos. CV909466 and VC9304474; “Abortionists: What Kind of People Are They?” Abortion Injury Report [American Rights Coalition], August 1991, page 2.
The following incident of pro-abortion violence was provided in a September 1, 2002 e-mail message from Julian Harper.
“A number of years ago, in the late 1980s, an abortionist named Bruce Lucero had a mill on the south side of Birmingham, Alabama, and for years, every Saturday a handful of peaceful prayer-warriors, sidewalk counselors and pickets would show up at his “New Woman’s” clinic, and also at the nearby Birmingham Women’s Clinic and the Summit Women’s Center. On one Saturday morning, I was on my way to picket the Birmingham Women’s Clinic and stopped by at Lucero’s mill to greet about four of my friends who were there on the sidewalks. There were three people in ‘security guard’ uniforms wandering in front of the abortion mill; a black man who was very polite, a 260 pound white thug named Jeff Ingram, and a woman who
Just Thinking, excellent post!
Oops, I didn’t post the link to the abortionviolence.com:
http://abortionviolence.com/VIOLENCE.HTM
But what about the patients? Did they give any consideration to how unsettling a strung up chicken might be to a patient?
Mary, you have to ask, “Where was that placed?” Was it in the front of the building, where it would have been noticed by patients? Or was it in the back, where only people who were snooping would see it?
If it was in the front, I agree, that’a little unsettling. But if it’s there to mess with people, well… I’d say the doctor has a morbid sense of humor. That’s all.
Would you go there for “health care?”
Carla, sure. I mean, if I thought they were good, respectful doctors. I don’t think I need to oppress my doctor’s sense of humor.
Ok, hanging a rubber chicken in a window is bizarre, unusual and threatening…
However, driving a truck covered with posters of mutilated fetuses and carrying huge posters of mutilated dismembered fetuses magnified 20 times to scare children is “normal”.
Bystander, great point.
Stalking and photographing are not on the same plane as bombing and shooting.
Vegan, no, it’s not. But as much as I wouldn’t want to be shot or bombed, I think I would also feel creeped out and scared by someone stalking me and photographing me. Wouldn’t you be?
Just because it’s not AS BAD doesn’t mean it’s not still bad.
I don’t know about anyone else but the last thing I would do is provoke anyone I have reason to be very fearful of.
Mary, sometimes people laugh at things that are scary … it’s their way of breaking the tension. I think the workers at the clinic are probably just trying to downplay their own fears by making a joke of it. And don’t they have the right to?
Again, if this was in the front of the building, I don’t think it’s professional. But if it was on the side or rear, where the only people viewing it would be the creepy stalkers who are sneaking around the building, then no, I don’t really care. Let them think pro-choicers are crazy for hanging a RUBBER CHICKEN in the window.
Thank you Just Thinking (ironic)for illustrating my point about you crazies so well
By the way, I did not continue to read your post after I determined you were crazy, as I find rants by crazies both sad and depressing.
If I had continued to read, the death threat near the end of your post would have been really scary. Go crawl back under your rock.
Edyt, 3:34pm
You have a far more charitable nature than I. If my doctor is stringing up rubber chickens from hangman’s nooses for any reason, I find another doctor and fast.
Unlike you, there is a point where my doctor’s “humor” would leave me a little unsettled and that is definitely it.
Its one thing to laugh at things that are scary, its another to provoke people you think are “crazies” and capable of violence. Unless you have a deathwish, I would strongly advise against it.
Just Thinking, I must respectfully decline your offer to “meet and talk with Ron Brock.”
Maybe it’s the five guns the cops found in his companion’s “truth truck”.
Maybe it is the many years he spent in prison for abortion-related violence and violation of court orders protecting people from him.
Maybe it is his 6000 mile round trip in the Truth Truck to support and praise Paul Hill at the time of his execution for murdering a doctor and his bodyguard.
Maybe its the creepy mass murderer poster on the truck he lives in.
Anyway, I just am a little reluctant to strike up a friendship with Ron, but give him my best when you see him.
Maybe the two of you can make litle hats out of aluminum foil to ward off evil thoughts, and tell each other you are not crazy…
Bystander: Or maybe you could loan him one of your tinfoil hats.
hehe Carrie! :)
Bethany: Thanks. Just consider me the Troll Control Officer.:)
Pro-aborts: Posters of fetuses are meant for the eyes of adults not children. So what? if a child sees one? Can’t you tell them the truth about abortion? The best thing for women since sliced bread?
Pro-choicers: You want to live in a fairyland where abortion is legal because it is sometimes necessary, but then you don’t want to deal with the questions from your children when they see a picture of what abortion truly is. Are you at a loss for words because you are forced to explain to your children the evil that you choose to ignore?
Abortion is either ALL GOOD, or ALL BAD. There’s no middle ground here. If children are prone to nightmares after being exposed to aborted fetus posters, maybe we should open our eyes and see abortion for what it truly is – EVIL.
“Abortion is either ALL GOOD, or ALL BAD. There’s no middle ground here.”
why can’t there be a middle ground? There is usually a middle ground to most questions. How about this? Abortion is right for some women at some times, and wrong for other women at other times, and wrong for some women at all times.
Vegan, no, it’s not. But as much as I wouldn’t want to be shot or bombed, I think I would also feel creeped out and scared by someone stalking me and photographing me. Wouldn’t you be?
Just because it’s not AS BAD doesn’t mean it’s not still bad.
Posted by: Edyt at April 5, 2008 3:34 PM
Yes, it is still bad, but totally on a different plane. Like many of my fellow vegan/animal rights activists, I too have had the lovely experience of being tailed and photographed. Its creepy, but its NOTHING compared to the mass arrests, home invasions, warrantless searches, and ridiculous convictions. A friend of mine looking nothing like the suspect involved was convicted of a felony last week. Despite having numerous people backing her story up, they were all dismissed on the grounds that they were activists in league with her.
Being followed pales in comparison to having to drop out of school indefinitely because you’re facing serious prison time. Being photographed is much less shocking than having to watch federal agents sequester your family in the basement as the house is torn apart, and then spend seven years behind bars for the actions of another individual.
why can’t there be a middle ground? There is usually a middle ground to most questions. How about this? Abortion is right for some women at some times, and wrong for other women at other times, and wrong for some women at all times.
Hal, to us, that’s like saying,
“why can’t there be a middle ground? There is usually a middle ground to most questions. How about this? Raping women is right for some men at some times, and wrong for other men at other times, and wrong for some men at all times.”
Judging from the photos of this mill, it looks like a set form a bad horror flick.
With or without the vignettes in the windows, it has a forboding look about it…which is fitting considering what goes on in there.
Any woman who even considers walking into this place needs to have her head examined.
This will more than likely be the NEXT mill exposed for filthy conditions inside it’s walls, like rat infestation, dirty operating rooms, no hot water, ad nauseum.
I wonder how many botched abortions have occurred in there, and how many women developed serious complications or even died after being given their “health care”.
These mills always have that film noir quality about them.
I understand Bethany. But Janet said it was all good or all bad. Rape is always bad. You think abortion is always bad. I understand that. Janet was trying to paint the opposite of “always bad” to be “always good.” I was saying that the opposite of “abortion is always bad” is not that it is always good, but that it is sometimes the right choice. I don’t expect you to agree, but it describes the “other side” more accurately than Janet was willing to do.
Hal, thank you for being so gracious and kind in your reply.
How can a bad choice ever be the “right choice”, from your point of view?
Even if it’s a “lesser of two evils” sort of choice, wouldn’t the lesser of the evils still be “evil”? And by evil I mean negative, or bad, and am not bringing up religion, so we don’t go off on that train of thought. lol
If a woman does something that is the “right choice”, that should be a “positive”, should it not? How could it be a negative, yet still be “right”? Should she not go away, knowing in her heart she did the “right thing”, or the “good thing”, no matter what?
I do not see the difference between “right” and “good”. (Likewise, I see no difference between “wrong” and “bad”.) The “right thing”, in my opinion, is always the “good thing”. (Just as the “wrong thing” in my opinion is always the “bad thing”.) This is probably just one of a million places where we differ in thought.
I understand Bethany. But Janet said it was all good or all bad. Rape is always bad.
Also, I must contradict you here. Rape is not always bad – to the MAN who is doing the raping.
Just as abortion is not always bad – to the WOMAN who is aborting.
You seem to act as though rape is ABSOLUTELY wrong, while at the same time, acting as though abortion can be wrong or not wrong, depending on the circumstances or feelings of the woman.
I do not see how you can be so absolute in your convictions towards one thing being wrong, and yet be a moral relativist in another area of morality.
“Abortion is either ALL GOOD, or ALL BAD. There’s no middle ground here.”
Hal: why can’t there be a middle ground? There is usually a middle ground to most questions. How about this? Abortion is right for some women at some times, and wrong for other women at other times, and wrong for some women at all times.
That’s a good question and I bet “because” isn’t a sufficient answer.
I think when we allow ourselves to blur the lines between good and bad (the middle ground I speak of), we’re bound to make mistakes which can hurt us, and others. They may be little at first, but they tend to become larger as time goes on and before we know it, we have trouble seeing any “lines” at all.
Some people speak of having a “moral compass”. A set of rules/values/morals to live by, which helps a person “stay on track”. For some people this includes religion, but for others it does not. Either way, it gives us a starting point. If we feel like we are losing our way (in life), we can use our moral compass to get ourselves back to where we need to be.
I’m one of those women that believes a man has as much right to an opinion on abortion as a woman does. Why not? Determining good/bad is not gender specific. Abortion is about so much more than just deciding about carrying a baby to term or not. An opinion on abortion reflects our opinion of ourselves, how we value ourselves and others. We may have good days and bad days, but overall, our value as human beings shouldn’t change. Each human being has worth beyond explanation.
Excellent 12:12am post Bethany!
Bethany: 12:09,12:12: Agreed. Very well said!!
Bethany,
I hear you’re getting some storms by you. I hope you’re safe!
It’s time for bed. Good night all! Zzzzzzzz.
Janet and JLM, thank you very much.
And Janet, I think the storms have all gone away…the other day we had some severe thunderstorms and tornado watches, and there was one tornado that touched down in my town. The north side of our town was evacuated because a gas line was broken or something like that…so I was happy that I had all my errands run already when that happened.
We spent about an hour in the storm pit that afternoon, but thankfully there wasn’t much heading towards where we live. Just a lot of rain!
Good night, Janet!
Great post, Bethany. You rock !
Poor Bystander,
Thinks coming to a site of crazies, and then posting to crazies, is well, just not tin foil hat crazy itself.
But, a question to a crazy person with a parnoid personality, named Bystander.
Do you think showing dead/naked/bloated/discarded in a pile/mutilated people from the Holocaust helps people “understand” the Holocaust, or drives them away from understanding the Holocaust?
Do you think showing dead fetuses/babies that are mutilated/dead/discarded from the holocaust of abortion, helps people “understand” abortion, or drives them away?
Don’t answer bystander, since your paranoia will distort the reality that both just show dead humans, from acts of humans, and their will, wishes and wants to manufacture/produce dead human beings.
Dont’ answer parnoid bystander, because we know the paranoid answer is that you know what is human and not human anyway from being,…. just like the humans that declared humans of a certain religion, humans that were unworthy of life, parasites and defective life, were not human.
Hmm, maybe if someone would have shown those “good Germans” photos of those dead,bloated,
fellow Germans, that practiced a certain religion, while they were in the act of
manufacturing dead humans, millions would have been saved by bystanders. But alas, the “good government Germans” wouldn’t allow those photos to be seen, and besides, it would have drove those “bystanding Germans” away from understanding what was happening at that time period.
Don’t answer bystander, because my posting to you, is well, posting to a paranoid person for abortion, who is soo paranoid, that reading this might make you more paranoid.
But, I think you will have too reply to my post, simply because the “grand” part of yourself, cannot be denied.
Or, one of your tin foil hat wearing mind puppets will reply, and defend the para-grandstanding Bystander’s “understanding” of photos of humans
manufacturing dead humans, is not helping humans, understand the Holocaust, and drives them away from the Holocaust understanding.
Seen Fetus Fascist lately Bystander? How’s her mental health from being in that phase of life where her facile philosophy of what goes around, comes around, has come around for her?
Sad Eyed Sally came around and posted her usual demands for more deathsex, from her personal experiences of having a family klan of deathsex worshippers extending back in time for three generations. Plus, her own brand of anti-Catholicism, where she always insults Catholic Ikons. Such as her natural hatred of the Lady Of Guadalupe, which ended the wide spread rightous practice of infanticide and abortion among her fellow deathsex worshippers in South and Central America. Typical bigot, doesn’t think she is a bigot, from being a child of three generations of anti-Catholic, deathsex worshippers.
Some people like to taunt crazies with rubber chickens. I prefer to draw them out from under their rocks to prove my point. Thank you yllas.
Some people like to taunt crazies with rubber chickens. I prefer to draw them out from under their rocks to prove my point. Thank you yllas.
Bystander, I think Yllas asked you a very good question, actually. Why don’t you answer this question:
” Do you think showing dead/naked/bloated/discarded in a pile/mutilated people from the Holocaust helps people “understand” the Holocaust, or drives them away from understanding the Holocaust?
Do you think showing dead fetuses/babies that are mutilated/dead/discarded from the holocaust of abortion, helps people “understand” abortion, or drives them away?”
Despite what you may think about Yllas, this question he asked was a valid point, and I would like to hear your answer, or any pro-abortionists’ honest answer to this question.
Mike, thank you! :)
Bystander: The problem here is that you, like most anti-choice extremists cannot understand that your mutilated fetus fetish may attract other crazies, but completely alienates anyone normal, including those who do not favor abortion.
Actually, you provoke more anger and disdain from normal people who do not favor abortion, as they realize that as long as you crazies are the “face” of the anti-abortion movement, it will never succeed.
You pro-aborts can’t blame us for the “Face of Abortion”, it’s all your handi-work. The numbers of people who are actively praying and attending peaceful rallies are growing. We crazy pro-lifers aren’t scaring anyone away. And by saying we’re crazy, you just make yourselves look worse.
If you’re so scared of pro-lifers, find a different job. Your false compassion for pregnant women is not fooling anyone except those who walk through your doors, unfortunately.
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Looking at those pictures of the facility begs the question if that’s where SoMG works.
How disgusting. Why does this not surprise me? Is that chicken hanging from a rope their mascot or something?
Carder,
lol.
Bethany and Janet,
Since you did not respond with a death threat, or pure gibberish, I will address you:
Janet, I don’t plan to “find a different job”, as I have never been involved in any way with abortion. I am not a “pro abort”, and your assumption that anyone who doesn’t like your tactics must be in the abortion business is truly amazing.
Bethany, Carrying around posters of Holocaust victims and using them to shock and annoy people and scare children would make normal people angry and resentful, and would be counter-productive to trying to promote Holocaust awareness, just as your mutilated fetus posters are counter-productive.
You are fanatics and extremists, and you associate primarily with other fanatics and extremists, so you cannot relate to the effects your tactics have on normal people. You cannot communicate with anyone other than fanatics, and that is why your tactics have failed and will continue to fail.
Once again we see evidence that abortion is a seamy industry, populated by rejects that are ostracized (rightly so) by their medical establishment peers. One has to wonder about the mental health of some of these abortion providers.
Earlier someone commented that Rockfordians do not need outsiders to tell them how to go about their business. It’s nice to see that good ol’ hometown pride, but for those considering a vacation to northern Illinois, Rockford needn’t be the number one place on your list to visit.
If anything, a little advice from the outside might go a long way to help improve the city’s lagging fortunes. Rockford has the appearance of a city in perpetual economic depression. The picture of the abortion mill more or less reflects the feel one has in driving through some of the neighborhoods.
Bystander,
You would be so disappointed to meet me because I’m really quite a boring, normal person. If you don’t think it’s normal to be pro-life, then I guess you can call me abnormal but hardly fanatical or crazy.
I generally don’t call pro-choicers pro-aborts because I realize many of them would never choose abortion for themselves. The level of disdain for pro-lifers in your previous posts was so high, I assumed you must be in contact with them quite often, perhaps as a clinic employee. I will promise not to call you a pro-abort… but please refrain from calling me a crazy fanatic. There are crazies in every walk of life. Some pro-lifers are not very nice people. Sometimes the general public gets the idea that the majority of pro-lifers are crazy because there are so vocal and they are the ones that get all the press, and sometimes like to comment on blogs. It goes both ways. Most of the pro-life commenters on this blog are quite tame, and are more concerned with helping women find alternatives to abortion. The thought of threatening or harming abortion workers never enters their minds. Many of those people you see standing in front of clinics are just praying, not even speaking to anyone. Hardly a threat unless one is afraid of prayer.
Bystander 4:27PM
Do you have any issue with people showing pictures of the horrors of Darfur? Throughout my lifetime and are various ages, including childhood, I have seen pictures of wars, massacres, lynchings, partially decomposed bodies, famine victims, Holocaust victims, and the victims of the Cambodian genocide, to name only a few.
Should I never have seen these pictures and should the newscasts, magazines, and newspapers not have printed them?
Also at the end of WW2, Generals Patton and Eisenhower were so horrified by the Nazi deathcamps, and the German citizenry who lived nearby and claimed ignorance, that they ordered the forced march, at gunpoint if necessary, of every man, woman, child, babies in their mother’s arms, and old person through the camps to see the piles of dead bodies, the crematoriums, and the horrific conditions. The generals were determined that not one townsperson could ever claim they had no knowledge of what went on.
Do you feel the generals were wrong? Do you agree they should have been much more sensitive to the townspeople?
Hmmmmm,
I wonder how the lawsuit is going in Rockford?
God bless the pro-lifers!
MK: Who could find something as horrible as abortion funny?
It’s hardly saying it’s “funny,” and what does the appearance of the buildings really matter?
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But nobody is really pro ABORTION, right, Doug????? They are just pro choice!
Uh, no, I didn’t even say that. Some people really are pro-abortion because they most want the population to decline, save the earth, lessen our effects upon it, etc. They want that more than they want the woman to make her own best choice. They are just as anti-choice as any pro-lifer.
That said, being for the woman being legally allowed to choose isn’t being for any one choice, so Pro-Choice is not anti-abortion nor being against women being allowed to willingly continue pregnancies.
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MK: Who could find something as horrible as abortion funny?
It’s hardly saying it’s “funny,” and what does the appearance of the buildings really matter?
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But nobody is really pro ABORTION, right, Doug????? They are just pro choice!
Uh, no, I didn’t even say that. Some people really are pro-abortion because they most want the population to decline, save the earth, lessen our effects upon it, etc. They want that more than they want the woman to make her own best choice. They are just as anti-choice as any pro-lifer.
That said, being for the woman being legally allowed to choose isn’t being for any one choice, so Pro-Choice is not anti-abortion nor being against women being allowed to willingly continue pregnancies.
Rockford lawsuit for failure to protect pro-lifers
I posted photos April 4 of hanging rubber chickens and such at the very creepy Northern Illinois Women’s Center abortion mill in Rockford, IL. I said I would blog on a lawsuit pro-lifers have filed when they were able to…
Ron Brock conspires to blow up abortion clinics with Cheryl Sullenger. I would call that terrorism, wouldn’t you? They both should be BACK in federal prison.
Ron Brock conspires to blow up abortion clinics with Cheryl Sullenger. I would call that terrorism, wouldn’t you? They both should be BACK in federal prison.