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I believe that building a mosque ANYWHERE near the 9/11 tragedy is wrong and insensitive and I believe that the muslims know this. They do not care.
I also believe it is inaccurate to label the muslims who did this as “radical”. Instead, I would say they are following the dictates of their religion to the letter.
And as for labelling them “terrorists” and the idea that this would be inclusive of all – again inaccurate. Civil rights as we know them, simply do not exist in muslim countries. Most religions do not go around kidnapping and forcing “conversions”, nor do they execute people for leaving.
BTW, someone needs to show Whoopi how to dress. Good heavens. Get that woman on What not to wear!
Well, when the Muslim who wants to build it refuses to denounce the people who flew the planes into the towers and in the same breath says he is just a peaceful Muslim, I have to question the motivation behind his thinking.
The IMAM behind the mosque has links to terrorists. He does not repudiate this. Really, we are going to let political correctness DESTROY US! They are trying to KILL US! HELLO JOY! Earth to WHOOPI!
And even if you disagree with Bill O’Reilly wouldn’t the professional thing be to engage in a respectful, calm discourse? But no, true to typical liberal fashion they got their panties in a wad and huffed off. Liberals can’t debate without resorting to name-calling or just simply stomping off. Childish. But who watches The View? I could not stand to watch aging liberal hags rant and rave themselves into a stroke.
LOL, I’m not surprised Whoopi was one of the co-hosts to walk off the set, in fact I’m surprised she was even willing to sit in the same room as Bill O’Reily!! :-D
Not sure why Bill O’Reilly would agree to go on that show, anyway! I guess Bill just likes controversy, and he KNEW that would cause it ;)
The Park51 plans do not bother me at all, as I distinguish between the extremists who attacked us in 2001 and the many normal, peaceful Muslims living in the United States.
On the other hand, more people should get in Joy Behar’s face.
The thing is, even if they disagreed with him on his muslim comments why couldn’t they respectfully correct him and have an adult conversation with him? Maybe they would have changed the minds of viewers who think the same as Bill if they had been calm and mature. But instead they huffed off looking awfully like my 3 year old when he doesn’t get his way. Shame on them for acting so silly!
I have never sat and watched The View- I don’t have cable. So I can’t comment on how common walking off the set is (it seems like I hear about it in the news a lot, though), but I was pretty upset by O’Reilly’s comments, too. Extremism is vastly different than Islam. There’s a radical edge to every religion, including Islam. It’s not fair to lump them all together.
Have you ever had a conversation with a Muslim man or woman? Their religion is not what it’s made out to be- it’s demonized and it’s infuriating to me. Please remember that some of the things that you hear about in the news are fundamentalist governments who use and manipulate religion to get power- like the Taliban. Hitler used and manipulated religion to get power, but we all know that Hitler was not what any of us could be considered a Christian. It’s no different for Islam.
So listen to this song:
“I Am Not Afraid to Stand Alone” by Native Deen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfUMfCtcDA
“Allah:” “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” (Qur’an 8:12)
Muhammad: “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq 992)
Jesus: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” (Matthew 5:14)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Weekly Jihad Report
Oct. 02 – Oct. 08
Jihad Attacks:
41
Dead Bodies:
131
Critically Injured:
266
I’ve met so many kind Muslims that I don’t have an issue with Islam itself, anymore that Christians should be judged by David Koresh or Jim Jones. Extremists exist in many groups both religious and atheist. However, for the employees Joy and Whoopie to walk off was extremely unprofessional. Your job, ladies, is to sit in your seat until the director calls for a break.
Most Americans don’t know diddley about Islam, which is a shame. Muslims may not be easy to convert to Christianity, but they can be converted. If Christians would learn more about them and be able to talk using references that they would understand, we might bring a few more over to our side. I encourage people to go ahead and give the Quran a read. BUT, be it known that when I started to read the Quran many years ago, I immediately realized that I had not read the Bible enough. So I took a few years break from it, studied the Bible very diligently, and then went back and read the Quran. It was a excellent exercise and I highly recommend it for people who like to read a lot. There are some beautiful stories in it. For example, there is mention of the Queen of Sheba and her famous visit to Solomon. There is also quite a lot of material in it on John the Baptist and Jesus, and the Blessed Mother is mentioned by name. Of course, they don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah, but knowing what they do say and think about Jesus gives us a point to begin dialog with them. I have worked hard to break the ice with my Muslim aquaintences. We are all God’s children. I believe the location of the Muslim center is too close to Ground Zero, too, and it would be in poor taste. However, sometimes you have to give people enough room to make themselves look foolish. In this case, it makes the Muslims look foolish and insensitive. Let ’em. Just like we let Lady Gaga look like a big idiot and fall on her face in the airport.
Jason, I see your quotes and understand. But the same can be done with the Bible. The problem with the extremists is that they are taking the Prophet’s (PBUH)words out of context, historically and culturally. They are misusing them, and that’s what Moses meant when he told the Israelites that God didn’t want his name used in vain. The moderate members of the Muslim communities need to reign in their extremists, just like all the other Christians will not play in the same sandbox as those loons from the Westboro Baptist Church, whom the media loves so much.
People love to bring up the Crusades and the Inquisition, but those were hundreds of years ago. Just as the Church learned what a failure both ventures were, the Muslims need to learn that violent jihad is an epic fail. Just as the Church will have to bear the stain of the Inquisition on its reputation, the Muslims will have to bear the stain of murderous jihadists. Even in the distant future, the innocent lives they have taken will haunt them. The sooner they hold their own accountable, the better.
I agree with what you said Sydney about the two ladies’ conduct and there would of been opportunity for dialect had they not stormed off the set.
As hateful as the tactics of the Westboro Baptist Church members are (and they are very small in number, mostly a group of relatives), they cannot possibly be compared to the thousands? millions? of Islamist terrorists who have been killing and terrorizing innocent people around the globe for at least four decades (speaking of modern terrorism, not their terroristic beginnings which sparked the Crusades) when POL leader Yassir Arafat directed the terrorism. (Isn’t it ironic he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize! That’s when I realized how irrelevant it really is.)
There is a fundamental difference between Islam and the Christian faith (well, more than one, but this one is key in this discussion): Whereas Christ Jesus commanded His people not to use violence, only to spread the Gospel, Muhammed expressly commanded His followers TO use violence, to slay the infidels who would not bow the knee to Allah. We in the West ignore this important issue to our peril.
This video makes this easy to understand:
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cg
Pamela October 15th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
“Not sure why Bill O’Reilly would agree to go on that show, anyway! I guess Bill just likes controversy, and he KNEW that would cause it ”
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Bill is promoting himself first and his book second.
Slow moving clay pigeons like these bubble headed buffons provide must be hared to resist for a man like Bill.
These leftist loons basking in the non-existent rays of their own intellect exist in an echo chamber where their emotionally derrived opinions are seldom challenged and often only validated by the fellow members of their mutual admiration clutch.
They are so predictably illogical that any person of average intelligence could collapse their house of cards with a mere whisper of patently obvious and demonstrable fact.
They do what liberals do when challenged with facts, logic and truth. They suddenly remember they were scheduled for quadruple bypass that very hour and run away as quick as they can.
In Beyharpies ‘view’ the jew hating mass murdering muslim jihadists get some kind of affirmative action credit for deliberately murdereing 3,000 people because 70 of their co-incidental victms were fellow muslims.
Somehow it escapes Whoopi’s powers of observation that the jihadists would have traded all 70 of the muslims for one Jew , even a person like herself who has merely taken a Jewish sounding stage name.
What non-muslim americans want to see is immediate and explicit comdemnation by muslims americans of these acts of barbarism deliberately targeting non-combatants and civilians, some of whom are infants and the elderly.
Whoopi Goldberg tosses the name of Timothy McVeigh into the mix, but Whoopi never informs us how he has any relevancy whatsoever, unless McVeigh’s body was interred at Arlington National Cemetary without our notice or some Fred Phelps wannabe built the Timothy McVeigh Memorial fertilizer store across the street from the former site of Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Elizabeht Hasslebeck, GOD bless her, possesses a ‘weapon’ but she is woefully lacking in ‘ammunition’. Some one needs prime her ‘neural pump’ or jump start her synapses.
bawbwa wahwah has some simlitude of maturity [even on old fool has more wisdom than the collective cacophony of these clucking hens she has chosen to be representative of american women.] but she doesn’t ‘want’ to ‘get it’ either.
It conflicts with her liberal humantistic worldview.
‘their terroristic beginnings which sparked the Crusades’ – can you extrapolate on this a bit please Claire?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just want to know on what evidence you say this.
Vannah,
What did Bill O’Reilly say - that was so disturbing - about Muslims? He only stated his opinion that they shouldn’t build near Ground zero – and that it was Muslims that caused 911. Isn’t that true? He didn’t say ALL MUSLIMS flew planes into the WTC. People really need to lighten up.
Joy needs to get more joy in her life, maybe find a nice Caribbean island to retire to…
In a shoutiing match, one asked Bill why we should care if a mosque were built near Ground Zero, and he blurted out “Because Muslims killed us” there. If he’d said “the Muslims” they’d have a leg to stand on for their outrage. He didn’t. Even in such a heated exchange. Thus, it is clear what he said.
And think for a moment. Family members of the victims are visiting the Memorial. There is the quiet, peaceful sound of the waterfall. All of a sudden, there is the haunting wail of the “call to prayer” from the loudspeaker at the new Mosque/Learning Center.
To the “hat-rack-in-chief” it may be one of the “prettiest sounds on Earth”, but to many of us it’s downright spooky. (Unless we’re in some Indiana Jones move.) But though it might only be just within earshot, many of those family members may know that “Allahu akbar” is within that prayer.
And they will realize that those were the last words shouted by the terrorists as the planes hit the buildings.
Ninek – “Jason, I see your quotes and understand. But the same can be done with the Bible.”
False. The Old Testament violence was for specific times, peoples and places only, whereas the violence for Islam is commanded for all time, all places, for all Muslims against all non-muslims. BIG difference. Never mind that Jesus put an end to the old system too. This moral equivocation of Christianity and Islam so popular these days is against the overwhelming evidence. Please don’t mention context when you are the one actually getting that part wrong.
Mark, I disagree. The Quran like all religious texts needs to be read in historical context. The failure to do so reflects on the incorrectness of the Muslims, not the Quran itself. It was written in a time when certain social customs and situations were in place. The Muslims who misinterpret it are the ones who are taking it in vain. And YES, people do that with the Bible all the time, and they misinterpret both the older section of the Bible and the new. It’s been done right on this blog by commenters. Some even do it to justify abortion, which I think we can agree is WRONG. People misinterpreted parts of the New Testament to justify slavery back before the civil war.
But one of the problems with the Quran from our perspective, is that the Prophet got most of his early ‘information’ about Jesus from a Jewish community, who obviously told him Jesus was not the Messiah. The Prophet continued the misinformation, which confuses the Muslims today. The sooner they realize that all was fulfilled in Jesus the better.
I had a muslim truck driver. He was a nice enough guy. He used to spout off about how Jews flew the planes in 9/11 and how Jews were trying to destroy America. And he was a “normal” muslim. Having read the Koran, I think the “extremists” are just good muslims following the Koran.
Ninek, you’re missing the point – the Old Testament texts are historical in terms of any violence carried out by the nation of Israel as a theocracy, and each of those acts was only allowed for a specific and limited purpose. This is very different to the violence commanded (and still carried out legitimately) in the name of Islam. Also, when Jesus died, the temple curtain tore in two. Your equivalence is demonstrably false.
Whoopi should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia,
Then she’d experience true male chauvinism.
‘their terroristic beginnings which sparked the Crusades’ – can you extrapolate on this a bit please Claire?
The Crusades were indeed sparked by the invasion of the Moors (a historical term for Muslims, also called Moslems and Mohammedans throughout history). Did you not know this?
It never ceases to amaze me that Americans have somehow missed or overlooked this fact. Didn’t anyone learn this in History? Doesn’t anyone remember this?
If you doubt me, if you never learned this in school, look it up. I’m not being sarcastic; it’s important that people be knowledgeable and informed.
I do realize most (maybe all) public school textbooks have been politically “corrected”. But I did think surely most American adults, who were educated in bygone decades, would have heard, and thus know, the truth.
BTW — this does not comprise ALL the events of their terroristic beginnings, which were carried out in obedience to Mohammed’s commands. It only addresses their invasion and occupation of Jerusalem.
I’m sorry I’m so late in replying. Have been out of town on business.
I was honestly surprised to see truth about this at Wikipedia:
“Jerusalem in particular holds a significance in Islam as it holds it to be the site of the ascension into heaven of the prophet Muhammad whom Muslims believe to be the foremost prophet of God and Jerusalem is often regarded as the third most sacred site in Islam. The Muslim presence in the Holy Land began with the initial Muslim conquest of Syria in the 7th century under the Rashidun Caliphs.
The Muslim armies’ successes put increasing pressure on the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire which had originally claimed the region (part of the Eastern Roman Empire which the Byzantines inherited) as their territory – this included eventual incursions by the Seljuk Turks. Jerusalem also holds historical and religious importance for Jews as it is the site of the Western Wall the last remaining piece of the Second Temple. Jews consider Israel as their ancestral homeland, and had been visiting the city since its sack by the Romans and abandonment by the Hebrews after the Hebrew revolt of AD 66–73.
Another factor that contributed to the change in Western attitudes towards the East came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. In 1039 his successor, after requiring large sums be paid for the right, permitted the Byzantine Empire to rebuild it.[10] Pilgrimages were allowed to the Holy Lands before and after the Sepulchre was rebuilt. The Muslims eventually realized that much of the wealth of Jerusalem came from the pilgrims; for this reason and others, the persecution of pilgrims eventually stopped.[11] However, the damage was already done, and the violence of the Seljuk Turks became part of the concern that spread support for the Crusades across the Christian world.[12“
I believe that building a mosque ANYWHERE near the 9/11 tragedy is wrong and insensitive and I believe that the muslims know this. They do not care.
Yes, they care. There is a purpose in this. Ex-Muslims who understand the mentality have brought out the fact that Muslims erect buildings at/near the sites of [what they consider to be] great victories to proclaim their victory over that land. This is why the Dome of the Rock was built at Jerusalem.
Again, if we do not pay attention to these nuances which are foreign to our thinking, we do so to our peril. We need clear-headed leaders today. They seem to be in short supply, but maybe the upcoming elections will make a difference. That is something to pray for.
Oops — a correction:
Yassir Arafat headed the PLO (not the POL). Just caught that error.