Lunch Break: Christmas joy with Santa and your favorite firearm
by LauraLoo
The Scottsdale Gun Club has found a new way for firearms fans to express Christmas joy – by posing with guns alongside Santa Claus.
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Gross.
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This is disturbing.
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But abortion’s not, right, Megan? It’s just enjoying your constitutional right?
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Yea that looks like peace on earth and good will tword men… I’m pretty sure that the three wise men were strapped to the teeth… They wernt following a star it was actully a tracer round fired out of a mobile 5 inch anti aircraft gun…
Happy Holidays Everyone!
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I have no problem with firearms and have owned them myself at times, but every single time I see a man posing for a photograph while holding a gun I immediately assume he is compensating for something. Always.
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No, Biggz..the three wise men went following a baby who was, incidentally, both a problem pregnancy and Savior of the World.
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Even Soldiers len?
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Is the soldier just wearing it or carrying it with his sling? Then no. Is he posing with it? Then yes.
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Let me put in my 2 cents about guns…
I hate them, yet love them. I’m a historian so it’s a little hard not to love guns and war when the time is right – but that’s exactly it – when the time is right.
We need gun control.
The right to bear arms was instituted in a time when A – most people hunted their own food and B – at any time you might be expected to form a militia and go to war.
It isn’t the same as today – where we buy our food from stores and if we need to go to war, they’ll provide the weapsons.
However – there are a lot of dangers out there, and I have no problem with people wanting to have a gun in their home to protect themselves from invades – IF IT’S DONE PROPERLY. You know – you have all of the safety procaustions, you’ve been trained in how to use the gun, you lock it away from your kids, etc. etc…and, most importantly, your gun is LEGAL.
Now – I’m against hunting, espeically for sport – but I know that a lot of people will disagree with me on that. Trust me though, it’s not just because I’m a vegetarian – my whole life I’ve ironically lived 2 houses over from a “sportsman club” aka – a bunch of dude with mullets and guns running about the foods on and OFF SEASON shooting at whatever comes there way, all while they have huge illegal bon fires going…it really isn’t the most attractive thing to have about in your nieghborhood and despite our many “no hunting” and “no tresspassing” signs on our 16 acres…we still have them riding four wheelers and carrying their guns on our property.
Not fun.
Now – I’ll tell you this…we own guns. Nothing scary – just a rifle or two and some BBs – but my father is MILITARY TRAINED in using them – and was actually a range officer – so he taught everyone else how to use them, too. He hide them from my brother and me growing up and taught us how to use them properly.
These people here carrying around military grade weapons – that’s just uncalled for and unnessicary and mocking a holiday that is about our Savior to do it is just disgusting.
And it’s also disgusting that pro-lifers here would be pro-gun and then turn around and say that abortion is violent.
Of course abortion is violent – but so is having a bunch of guns in your house!!
My Uncle lives in South Carolina and has so many guns it’s disgusting. The cops came while we were visiting to put down a disagreement between my uncle and his neighbor and they were like “give us your gun…and the other one…and the one under the sofa…and the one in the cabinet in the kitchen…” they didn’t even know about his entire safe (the size of a refridgerator) full of automatic weapons like the ones in the video above…
Now, I love my Uncle…but that is just wrong…and sadly, most people who are fighting for gun rights are just like him!
I’m pro-life – and that’s got to include life outside of the womb, too. Guns have a place – but not everyone should own them, and certainly not ones like this.
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@Amber Currie
“most people hunted their own food”
As many still do.
“MILITARY TRAINED”
Military personnel train on their weapons about once a year, most civilian gun owners practice about one a week.
“so is having a bunch of guns in your house”
The Shotgun in my house has never shot anyone, how is it inherently violent?
“give us your gun”
Give me a warrant.
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed period.”
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Courtney – Every bit of your last comment is up for debate… Do I really need to illustrate the giant gaping holes in the Jesus story? I was just making a joke before but if you really want to try to defend that little bit of fiction we can do that.
Back on topic – Like I have said in the past there is no reason that any private citizen should own anything more than revolvers, crack shotguns, or bolt action rifles. There is no hunting or personal defense scenario that even remotely requires heavier weaponry. Fully and semi-automatic weapons should be banned.
The danger to the public your fully or semi-automatic weapons pose greatly outweighs any reason you could have to own one.
Can anyone give me a hunting or defense scenario in which firepower greater than revolvers, shotguns, or bolt action rifles are required?… I cannot think of any. However, if you want to know how much damage just one semi-automatic pistol can do just ask Gabby Gifford. If you want to know what happens when private citizens have access to assault rifles just ask the LAPD about bank robberies.
Do you know how criminals get guns? They steal them from the homes of gun owners and sell them to other criminals… So even your gun can be used to kill many people no matter how responsible of an owner you are.
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@Biggz
“personal defense scenario that even remotely requires heavier weaponry”
You’re taking a walk with your wife, You have a 5 shot revolver, 6 guys approach you “hey your wife is lookin pretty sexy you mind if we take her off your hands?” what do you do?
You’re sitting in your living room, you have a shotgun, a group of cops enter your home “you’re supporting the wrong political party and it’s time for you and your wife to go away.” what do you do?
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U104 – You quoted me as saying things I did not say. Also – yes, some people still hunt and eat what they catch but they do not do it because they HAVE to – they do it for sport, but do not waste afterwards. I take it you have never been in the military – those who have a position which use guns train constantly.
Megan – I find it very offensive that you would call our God a rapist and if I were one of the moderators here, it would get you banned. Please be more respectful of the views of the religious here.
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@Amber Currie
“You quoted me as saying things I did not say.”
Where?
“yes, some people still hunt and eat what they catch but they do not do it because they HAVE to”
I guess everyone could live in a city if they really wanted to, but maybe they don’t want to.
“those who have a position which use guns train constantly”
But not always with their weapons, that would get very expensive.
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hahaha ok – I live on a farm – and we have grocery stores within driving distance – I do not know of any area in the US where people live in secret villiages in the mountains where there is no food available unless you go out with a gun and hunt it down yourself.
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“the three wise men went following a baby who was, incidentally, both a problem pregnancy and Savior of the World.”
According to your religion. A lot of others, including Judaism, wouldn’t agree. Just saying…
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Whatever, Jesus haters. Call it fiction, call us Christians foolish. If I saw the world and life and human worth as you do, I might have an abortion too.
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@Amber Currie
There are people in places such as some areas of Alaska where just driving to the store is not a viable option because of how isolated they are.
But all that is rather pointless, the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting, and it is no more outdated than the right to life.
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U104-
You are awesome.
Sincerely,
Me
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When guns are illegal, only criminals have guns.
http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome/singlepage
Yeah. Gun control totally works and stuff! 9_9
Ms. Currie:
My weapons are no more “violent” than a baseball bat. Like a baseball bat, they COULD be used to injure/kill someone. However, they’ve never been pointed at anything more sinister than a range target, madam. You know who has a lot of baseball bats? People who enjoy playing baseball! OMG, THOSE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!!
Hey Biggz…you know where a lot of those guns that are used to commit crimes down south come from? Attorney General Holder. LOL!
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@xalisae
Wow, thank you. :)
@len
Are women who pose with guns compensating too?
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“the three wise men went following a baby who was, incidentally, both a problem pregnancy and Savior of the World.”
According to your religion. A lot of others, including Judaism, wouldn’t agree. Just saying…
Well, golly gosh, I had NO IDEA that this was according to the religion of the person who posted it. I mean, I’m just not used to all this “people posting what they believe” stuff as opposed to posting what the rest of the entire world believes when they’re discussing the freaking holiday that’s coming up which has to do with their religion.
I mean, when I talk about Christmas, I always make sure to discuss it as it relates to Hinduism. *EYEROLL*
CC, you have one very LARGE hangup about Christianity. We get it. Move on. Not every comment that does NOT include Judaism is anti-Semitic.
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She was probably between the age of 13 and 16 – the average marrying age for girls until about a hundred years ago – she was already engaged to Joseph – and the angel came to her to tell her of God’s plans before she concieved Jesus.
Heck, my own grandmother was married at 16 and had 2 kids before she was 18.
Not everything is about rape.
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X – not sure why you’re ranting about baseball all of a sudden?
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U104 – please introduce me to these pals of yours in Alaska who cannot make it to a store – and I’ll give them some land here in Jersey to build on.
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@Amber Currie
Sue Akins. Living at Kavik River Camp, her closest neighbors are 120 miles Northeast, she was attacked by a bear, shot it, sewed her head back together because THERE WAS NO DOCTOR AROUND, and lasted ten days until help was help was able to reach her, now how bout that land?
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Ms. Currie:
If you don’t get it, you’re dumber than I thought. Read the link I posted. If strict gun control laws are enacted, fewer people like myself and my family members will have them. More people who want to actually hurt other people will. You do the math.
I wouldn’t move to New York’s dumpster if you gave me all the tea in China. It spawned creatures like Snookie. Need I say more? If you’re talking about Old Jersey, however, I’d have to do some research before considering it.
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Which one in the picture is Xalisae? :)
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Amber: Now – I’m against hunting, espeically for sport – but I know that a lot of people will disagree with me on that. Trust me though, it’s not just because I’m a vegetarian – my whole life I’ve ironically lived 2 houses over from a “sportsman club” aka – a bunch of dude with mullets and guns running about the foods on and OFF SEASON shooting at whatever comes there way, all while they have huge illegal bon fires going…it really isn’t the most attractive thing to have about in your nieghborhood and despite our many “no hunting” and “no tresspassing” signs on our 16 acres…we still have them riding four wheelers and carrying their guns on our property.
Reminds me of a place down in rural Georgia that I knew in the 1980s. “Sportsman’s Association” was what the sign proclaimed, with as much of a dignified air as could be summoned. In reality it was a bunch of heavily-armed drunks staggering through the woods, some with automatic weapons, shooting at anything that moved. In 1983 alone, there were two deaths due to “friendly fire.” ;) :)
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U104: Military personnel train on their weapons about once a year, most civilian gun owners practice about one a week.
Of crimes stopped by armed people in the US, 1/3 involve police and other civil authorities. 2/3 involve private citizens with guns.
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U104: You’re taking a walk with your wife, You have a 5 shot revolver, 6 guys approach you “hey your wife is lookin pretty sexy you mind if we take her off your hands?” what do you do?
Pro-gun Pro-Choice response: You maneuver so at least one of them is behind another, so you can take out 2 with 1 shot, and go from there.
Pro-Life response: Put 5 slugs in the guy that looks the most like Obama. ;) :P
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@Doug
And without the armed citizens the 2/3 would not have been stopped at all.
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U104, perhaps a bit less than 2/3 if the Ninja Throwing Stars and Zombie Stunners were handy. ;)
“An armed society is a polite society.” I think we may be a bit beyond that, but there is something to the “if guns are illegal then only criminals will have guns” deal.
What if we had one day that was a free-for-all, no gun laws at all, and we could all go out and just blast away to our heart’s content?
Or how about driver’s licenses? If you had to have 6 drinks, then pass the driver’s test, and you did, then they’d *know* you were a good driver.
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@Doug
“What if we had one day that was a free-for-all, no gun laws at all”
We would need to name the day, what do you think “Rapist rending Day” “Mugger massacring Day” or “Burglar blasting Day” i can’t decide. :)
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Doug-
The longer this conversation persists, the more blurred the line becomes. XP
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I don’t think that being pro-gun control is being anti-gun at all. Things like assault weapons regulations, background checks, closing the loopholes at gun shows – those all seem pretty reasonable to me.
When I was a kid, those little middle-school boys pulled the fire alarm and then shot those kids (and teacher) as they evacuated the building. Those boys planned it, they packed up the guns and supplies they would need to execute their attack, they deliberately hunted people – people they knew! – just because they could. Those kids are out of jail now and can legally purchase firearms. It’s not the fault of guns that those boys killed those people, but I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to say that maybe we should have some restrictions on whether or not people like them can buy guns in the future. Anything else seems pretty absurd to me.
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@Alexandra
I don’t know where you live but i pretty sure shooting people who are not a threat is a felony and puts you on the never allowed to own a gun again list, now if only the school had been a gun free zone.
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Love those GUNS!!
Of course, I do live on a Pharm where we compete with “bambi” herds and the raccoons for the food we grow, and the coyotes pick off young and/or sick cattle as well as our pets.
KABOOM!!!
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@doug
“Pro-gun Pro-Choice response: You maneuver so at least one of them is behind another, so you can take out 2 with 1 shot, and go from there”
Handgun bullets used for self defence are designed not to over penetrate the target and kill someone behind them, the odds of killing or incapacitating a human with one shot is VERY slim, average number of shots it takes to incapacitate a human with let’s say a 45.acp is 2.08, so you could take three of them with you if you’re lucky, but you’re probably not lucky you will most likely miss at least twice, that leaves five of them still coming and you with an empty gun.
interesting how you thought of the criminals as black. ;)
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“Pro-gun Pro-Choice response: You maneuver so at least one of them is behind another, so you can take out 2 with 1 shot, and go from there”
U104: Handgun bullets used for self defence are designed not to over penetrate the target and kill someone behind them, the odds of killing or incapacitating a human with one shot is VERY slim, average number of shots it takes to incapacitate a human with let’s say a 45.acp is 2.08, so you could take three of them with you if you’re lucky, but you’re probably not lucky you will most likely miss at least twice, that leaves five of them still coming and you with an empty gun.
It was mostly in jest. On missing – yeah, there are plenty of cases where cops and “bad guys” have emptied their guns at each other, even from fairly close distances, with no hits at all. The stress of the moment can be immense.
You did say a 5-shot revolver, and I don’t even know what you can get those chambered in anymore. I used to be big in guns, but sold them all – moved to Canada in 1990, worked there for 4 years – and gun restrictions are just crazy up there; not worth it to fool with them, IMO.
I do know they make some hellacious “hand-cannons” anymore, and if there’s a defense for my scenario, you’d need the 5 shot revolver in something pretty serious indeed.
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interesting how you thought of the criminals as black. ;)
I didn’t think of them as black. You just said, “6 guys.” My joke was that Pro-Lifers would use every bullet on the one that looked the most like Obama. ;)
A take-off on the old one about, “You see X, Y, and Z coming down the road towards you, and you only have 2 bullets. What do you do?”
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“What if we had one day that was a free-for-all, no gun laws at all”
U104: We would need to name the day, what do you think “Rapist rending Day” “Mugger massacring Day” or “Burglar blasting Day” i can’t decide. :)
I just meant that everybody would go out and start blasting away at everybody else, criminal or not. :)
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@Doug
You asked “Can anyone give me a hunting or defense scenario in which firepower greater than revolvers, shotguns, or bolt action rifles are required” i gave you one.
“My joke was that Pro-Lifers would use every bullet on the one that looked the most like Obama”
I like jokes that are at least a little bit reality based.
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“I don’t know where you live but i pretty sure shooting people who are not a threat is a felony and puts you on the never allowed to own a gun again list, now if only the school had been a gun free zone.”
I live in the US. Those boys shot their classmates in Arkansas. I don’t know what your last sentence means, but I am assuming you meant “if only the school had NOT been a gun-free zone.” I don’t think that would have made much difference. I don’t think that a bunch of 11-year old kids who were ambushed in the safest place they could be, outside of their own homes, were going to immediately react, whip out pistols, take cover, identify where the shots were coming from and who was shooting them, and neutralize the threat. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a teacher would have done that, either, given that the entire school was focused on the fire alarm and its possible cause, and on getting safely outside; and the shooting did not exactly take a long time, since the boys hoped to make a fast escape.
But that is not my point at all, because if you read my original post I did not say that gun control could have even saved those poor girls. I said that gun control might help prevent the boys who deliberately, with forethought, corralled them and shot them like fish in a barrel, from buying guns as adults.
Besides, wouldn’t you say that the “never allowed to own a gun” list is part of gun control? It seems obvious to me that there is room for reasonable regulation and control. ie prohibiting convicted murderers from buying guns, closing the gun-show loophole, etc. Like I said.
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@Alexandra
“I don’t know what your last sentence means”
I was poking fun at some peoples belief that gun free zones actually work, murder is already illegal i don’t think saying “you can’t do it with a gun” is going to stop them.
“Besides, wouldn’t you say that the “never allowed to own a gun” list is part of gun control?”
Yes a part that already exists, you don’t need a new law to enforce a current law.
“prohibiting convicted murderers from buying guns”
They already are.
“closing the gun-show loophole”
I don’t know what the gun-show loophole is.
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Alexandra:
I don’t think a school shooting would’ve gotten very far where I used to attend. One of my favorite teachers ever went to pay for his lunch one day (he’s ex-military) and while he was taking out his cash, a couple bullets fell out of his pocket. I was always amused by that, but thought it made good sense. Arm more teachers!
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And, I think the comment about the “gun-free school zone” was meant to be a joke. If you’re going to break the law by killing a bunch of people, I hardly think a sign telling you guns aren’t allowed there by law, and even the law prohibiting you from acquiring the weapons in the first place don’t really mean much, huh? I mean, your intent is to break the law. I hardly think other laws that are meant to prevent you from breaking that last law are going to stop you. If you don’t care about the legality of killing others, you probably don’t care about the legality of purchasing a firearm, either.
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Just in case you missed it twice:
“if you read my original post I did not say that gun control could have even saved those poor girls. I said that gun control might help prevent the boys who deliberately, with forethought, corralled them and shot them like fish in a barrel, from buying guns as adults.”
These boys are allowed to buy guns, U104, because they were convicted as children, not as adults. You do agree, though, that not allowing some people – ie, felons – to buy guns is a form of gun control? A restriction on who can buy what, when it comes to guns? That it is therefore not a question of whether “gun control” is good or bad, but to what degree? I, personally, think we could go further than simply making it illegal for felons to buy guns. The gun show loophole essentially allows anyone to buy from a private dealer without a background check. Like, say, a felon. Or a mentally-ill college student who has been legally declared a danger and sent for psychiatric treatment. Refusing to close the loophole is in essence refusing to enforce the existing law. It is perfectly legal to sell a gun to a felon if you are a private dealer. Abuse of this loophole was recently advocated by terrorist Adam Yahiye Gadahn, aka Adam Pearlman.
As I said, it seems to me that reasonable gun control should be a no-brainer. But whenever you bring it up, someone runs in and acts like you’re advocating replacing bullets with daisies. Please.
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Just gonna say this quickly then withdraw from the conversation:
I live in a “drug” neighborhood. “Hood” is a more appropriate term.
The brothers here are armed. Therefore, this pro-lifer is, too.
Second Amendment all the way, baby.
Self defense. Something the unborn lack.
Ponder the thought.
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@Alexandra
“These boys are allowed to buy guns, because they were convicted as children”
Then that is a sentencing law issue ‘and has been changed’ not a gun law issue.
“The gun show loophole essentially allows anyone to buy from a private dealer without a background check”
I can sell kitchen knives to anyone without a background check, and they could be a felon who uses knives to murder people, but to be coldly honest that’s not my problem, that’s the cops problem, someone could drive an SUV that they bought privately though a bank door, again as the seller that’s not my problem, a felon could buy gas at a gas station without a background check and burn down a building and kill hundreds of people.
We don’t take away the rights of one person because of what someone else may do.
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My feelings about guns are that they need to be in the hands of people who are properly trained to use them in a responsible manner. I’m guessing that gun clubs probably help to do that, so that’s not a bad thing at all.
That being said, this just looks plain goofy. The first image that you see on the video makes it look like they’re holding Santa hostage or something.
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Carder–brilliant.
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@Jennifer Starr
LOL ‘no Santa YOU better watch out’ :)
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U104, you try selling beer to a minor then. As a private citizen, of course. OH WAIT, minors aren’t allowed to buy beer, just like felons aren’t allowed to buy guns. You aren’t even allowed to GIVE a minor beer. Felons are allowed to buy kitchen knives, SUV’s, and all other sorts of things. They are not allowed to buy guns. So why is it not illegal to sell them guns?
I am not anti-gun. I am not anti-gun club. I did not make fun of this picture, though I think it looks silly – but then I think lots of pictures like this look silly. I just think, yet again, that it is absolutely absurd when people oppose any regulation or control whatsoever.
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@Alexandra
“minors aren’t allowed to buy beer”
And minors are not allowed to buy guns and yet they did it anyway, everything they did was ALREADY ILLEGAL two criminals broke the law WOW!, if those boys committed that crime today instead of 1998 they would be on the no gun list because the sentencing law HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED!
“So why is it not illegal to sell them guns?”
It is illegal to sell a KNOWN felon a gun, most private citizens don’t have a finger print scanner, a DNA analyzer, and every felons mug shot on hand, if Charles Manson a KNOWN felon broke out of prison went to a gun show and someone sold him a gun they would go to jail.
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Looks like fun. I would rather shoot the guns then pose with them though.
There are a lot of comments that reveal a high level of ignorance. The book “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott is a good read to see the correlation between gun control laws and crime rates. In short, when people are allowed to be armed, crime rates drop. In other words, when guns are restricted from law abiding citizens, more people are robbed, raped and murdered.
Lott also reveals that studies and surveys show that guns are used far more often to save lives than to commit a crime.
There is nothing evil about a gun people. Violence can be a good thing when it is necessary to protect the innocent from harm by the evil.
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“And minors are not allowed to buy guns and yet they did it anyway, everything they did was ALREADY ILLEGAL two criminals broke the law WOW!, if those boys committed that crime today instead of 1998 they would be on the no gun list because the sentencing law HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED!”
Yes – the law was changed in reaction to a situation that pointed out that it needed to be changed. I think this is a good thing, and should continue to happen. For the record, I don’t know that those boys bought guns illegally – I think they used guns their families already owned. I may be wrong about that. AGAIN, I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT LAWS COULD HAVE PREVENTED THEM FROM KILLING THOSE PEOPLE. I AM SAYING THEY COULD BE PREVENTED FROM KILLING MORE. LAWS SHOULD CHANGE TO REFLECT THAT.
“It is illegal to sell a KNOWN felon a gun, most private citizens don’t have a finger print scanner, a DNA analyzer, and every felons mug shot on hand, if Charles Manson a KNOWN felon broke out of prison went to a gun show and someone sold him a gun they would go to jail.”
It is not too hard to find out if someone is a felon. Lots of jobs do criminal background checks and even every landlord I applied with – from people subletting an apartment as individuals to large companies – did a credit-report check on me. When it comes down to certain municipalities not making that information accessible, I also support changing that infrastructure. What a concept – things that don’t work can be changed.
A 22-year old guy can’t simply say, “She said she was 18!” and expect to get away with it.
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@Alexandra
So the laws would not have changed anything but we should make laws to change things?, i am not understanding what you’re saying.
“Lots of jobs do criminal background checks”
And how much money does it cost to get a background check?
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Guns don’t kill people.
People kill people.
And monkeys do too.
If they have a gun.
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