Pro-life video of the day: Imprisoned murderer impregnates girlfriend
by LauraLoo
Possibly one of the most unappealing candidates to the noble call of fatherhood, Joran Van Der Sloot, the suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway and murderer of young Peruvian Stephany Flores, has now impregnated a woman (allegedly known as “Leidi”) while imprisoned in Lima, Peru.
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The obvious question is why was this woman attracted to a morally bankrupt, convicted murderer?
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Oct.12, 2012 12:00 pm |
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There are, sadly, women with self-esteem issues who are attracted to creeps like Van der Sloot. But let’s remember that we haven’t heard her side of the story. Naturally Van der Sloot and his lawyer are going to claim that the sex was consensual and the happy couple is madly in love; that may or may not be the case. Guys like this are extremely manipulative and capable of anything.
Some women are attracted to bad boys.
bleh
How does a single woman manage an unsupervised visit with a male inmate serving a 28 year prison sentence for murdering his girlfriend?
Maybe someone smuggled out his sperm and it was subsequently used for an invitro fertilization and implantation.
“If luvin you is wrong, I just don’t wannna be right.”
“Just keep on usin me til you use me up.”
Hi Carla and Kelsey,
I’m not the least bit surprised. Vandersloot is a sociopath. These men are charming and seductive and have an uncanny ability to hold the loyalty of women.
I don’t know if its so much self esteem issues as it is Vandersloot’s ability to likely convince her of his “innocence” or his “reform”. Either of which I seriously doubt.
And there are certainly women attracted to the danger and mystery these men can exude.
Hi ken,
I suspect some guard got his palm greased. These prisons are sinkholes and I can imagine bribing guards is a given.
Hi Mary,
I thought the same thing — this guy has more sociopath/anti-social personality disorder traits than one could count. Charming and manipulative to feed his self-esteem, he will prey upon women who have no self-esteem themselves.
Hi Eric,
My brother was a police officer in a large city and he described to me, with revulsion, the terrible physical and sexual abuse the “old ladies” of the biker clubs endure. Yet, there was no shortage of women standing in line to get into these clubs.
Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez had their groupies Also the educated intelligent women who get involved with dangerous impisoned convicts.
Police officers have told me they gave up a long time ago trying to understand it.
You make another good point Eric. Sociopaths, women as well as men, know exactly who to zero in on.
Mary says:
October 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Hi Eric,
My brother was a police officer in a large city and he described to me, with revulsion, the terrible physical and sexual abuse the “old ladies” of the biker clubs endure. Yet, there was no shortage of women standing in line to get into these clubs.
(Denise) It may be that women find them “super-masculine.” I read a biker “old lady” who said she believed that bikers “are the last REAL MEN” in our supposedly feminized society. Their abuse of women confirms them as completely masculine in the minds of many women who believe their own femininity is confirmed by serving such men.
A woman might want to bear the child of a man she believes is more masculine than other men.
Kenthebirther, he’s serving time in Peru. In most South American countries visitors rules are rather on the lax side and in some jails wives, girlfriends, even families can come and live with the convict. My church in high school used to do a yearly mission trip to a Mexician orphanage right next to a prison, and they’d report how whole families would come and go through the gates, kids leaving for school or work, moms for work or shopping, while the family lived in the prison
Some women are attracted to bad boys.
He goes beyond being a “bad boy”, he’s a monster. Thank God he was caught. He would have gone on killing . . . and killing . . . and killing.
I meant “bad boy” as in doing time. In prison, guilty of murder.
Some women find that exciting!!!
Would someone please point out to the narrator that a pregnant women is already a mother to the child inside her, which makes Vandersloot already a father?
Mary says: October 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm “I suspect some guard got his palm greased.”
I am not going to take that bait, tempting as it may be.
I know humans are stupid and it is an affliction common to both genders, but indulging in consensual sex in prison with a man convicted of murdering his girlfriend and implicated in the disappearance of a second woman is beyond ‘stupid’.
I can see where a woman might be induced by the offer of money or other considerations to be the mother of Vanderslease’s child, but getting pregnant the old fashioned way with a violent misogynist like the lying dutchman is difficult tio conceive.
Hi Ken,
You can’t honestly think there is a limit to human stupidity?
Are you aware a woman became pregnant by Ted Bundy while he was in prison? That both Bundy and nightstalker Richard Ramirez had courtroom groupies? Bundy’s groupies would wear their dark hair long and parted in the middle to resemble his victims. Scott Peterson has had more than his share of female admirers as he awaits the death penalty for killing Lacy.
Let my brother tell you of the women who stand in line to be sexually and physically abused by biker clubs. ”Big Joe” an ex cop now deceased would tell of educated intelligent women getting tangled up with the worst criminals in prison.
I asked Big Joe to explain this and his only reply was “Mary, I gave up trying to understand these women and their thought processes years ago”.
Another point Ken,
I pointed out previously that VanDerSloot is a sociopath, and as such is a seductive, charming, and manipulative person. Women can be easily drawn to such men, they certainly were to my father, who are masters at portraying themselves as misunderstood victims. Or the women may just be entranced by the danger and mystery these men exude, like the groupies I mentioned previously.
As I said, none of this surprises me in the least. I would suspect she isn’t the only woman ready to jump in the sack with him.
“Mary, I gave up trying to understand these women and their thought processes years ago”
I was not exposed to violence or abuse as a child. I was involved in church, sports and other activities. I got great grades and had many friends. My parents were supportive of me and my siblings and are still happily married going on 50 years. I was very naive and sheltered to how cruel people can be.
I was date raped in college by a popular young man I knew much of my life. He knew I was a virgin and knew I wanted to remain one until marriage. No one would believe this clean-cut athlete was capable of rape (after all he was not the biker-type, right?)
After the rape, I started drinking heavily and tried drugs. It was during this time that I met the men who would abuse me for years. He was the big biker type who I believed loved me and would protect me from men who raped. This thinking was not conscience at the time; it wasn’t until counseling that I figured out how the date-rape had affected my life and my ability to make positive choices or see clearly.
It was also years before I found out about some of the abuse my ex lived through as a child (although some in his neighborhood looked the other way). I don’t believe he consciously picked me to abuse either–it was all he knew. We both had little, if any, self-esteem when we met and were drawn to each other.
Instead of asking why a victim stays, we need to focus on why he is enabled to continue to abuse. If a women becomes pregnant by a murderous man who is in prison, something is very wrong with our system. She may not yet understand why she makes the choices that she does but those hired to protect should be doing just that. Someone should be held accountable for allowing this young lady to have an unsupervised visit with this monster. Let’s focus on what their mindset is — after all, they are the “professionals” taking home a paycheck to protect and serve. Some police officers are a big part of the problem.
I am not going to take that bait, tempting as it may be.
Right, because we should only protect and serve those weaker than ourselves when they behave the way we expect them to.
Hi Praxedes,
I am very sorry to hear of your personal tragedy and thankful that you were able to turn your life around.
The situation I am discussing isn’t quite the same. Did you accept men sexually abusing you and passing you around to their friends? No. Did you accept being brutalized time and again, by one man after another? No. Did you seek out serial killers and join their fan clubs? No.
Concerning the police officers, including my brother, they had the not so nice jobs of trying to protect women from these situations, only to face danger to themselves. The first time my brother drew a gun was at a domestic violence call. ”Big Joe” was involved in retrieving the raped, sodomized, and butchered body of a female professor who had fallen for a dirtball convict out of a ditch. He was found passed out drunk. Police are continually exposed to life’s underbelly and may not be quite as charitable and understanding, and its easy to see why. Human beings do some pretty terrible and irrational things, and people can’t always be protected from themselves.
No one forced this young lady to have sex with Vandersloot any more than someone forced that woman to bear the child of Ted Bundy. Let’s dispense with this notion that women are always victims. What need these women are fulfilling is anyone’s guess. People make choices we find reprehensible and repulsive, but they make them and have no one to blame but themselves.
That young woman had sex with him for one reason, she wanted to. People choose to be in relationships we can’t understand. They want to be. People make decisions that are beyond our comprehension. They want to. People will be attracted to people and situations that only devastate their lives, sometimes time and again. Why do people make these choices? As I have said before and will say again, the human mind is beyond our comprehension and always will be.
As I said Praxades, the police, and any of us, can seldom protect people from themselves.
I tolerated a lot then that I would not now and it is but by God’s grace that I got out before it got worse. It was others who helped me btw and it wasn’t those with the mindset of look what she tolerates, she’s a lost cause.
This woman should be closely watched because it is obvious that she is not all there. It is my guess that she has a lot of issues with being abused.
However, do you not think any one at the prison is culpable in the least?
What if this man had killed her? Should someone be held responsible then?
Where did you get the notion that I think all women are victims? Maybe you should dispense with the notion that all police protect and serve.
As I said Praxades, the police, and any of us, can seldom protect people from themselves.
Well, let’s get rid of the police then. It would save a lot of money. Oh, and women will have back-alley abortions even if abortion were to become illegal. So why try to protect them either.
Oh and Mary, just like this woman had a choice to have sex with a man in prison (she shouldn’t have had that choice, imho), your brother had a choice to become a police officer.
Hi Praxades,
You chose, with the help of others to turn your life around. YOU made the decision not to be a lost cause, a victim. For that I commend and congratulate you and couldn’t be happier for you.
Ultimately that was a decision only you could make, no one could ever make it for you.
My point is people cannot always be assumed to be victims because we think their choices are bad. There’s a good possibility this charming lady greased the palm of the guard herself so as to have access to the killer. Now why she finds him so endearing is anyone’s guess. Why some men are enamored of women who are little more than trashy, often time leaving wives and children, is beyond my comprehesion as well, but I would hardly call them victims, except maybe of bad taste and gullibility.
Sure, in the perfect world fair young maidens can’t gain access to convicted killers. Educated and intelligent women have more sense than to get involved with dangerous convicts. An innocent child isn’t raped and killed by the paroled convict visiting her idiotic next door neighbor who began corresponding with a convicted rapist. I wouldn’t have to tell some of the women I work with to ignore letters from convicts. Unfortunately we live in a world where people make atrocious choices, and all too often set themselves up to be victims. We also live in a world where everyone who makes a decision or chooses a life path we don’t agree with isn’t a victim.
By the way “Big Joe” made every effort to inform women on the dangers of corresponding with convicts only to have these same women contact him that the convict she thought she could safely correspond with and help is now out of prison and calling her. Gee, that’s scary. Big Joe could only say “well lady, if you listened to me you wouldn’t be in this situation and I can’t do squat for you until the guy actually threatens you or tries to harm you.” ”He is also well aware of this fact so he will likely continue with the phone calls and letters knowing the police can’t do anything”.
Get rid of the police? Prax, don’t be ridiculous. Don’t you agree you, I, and everyone else has to take some personal responsiblity to protect themselves? Also, police can’t stop you from trashing your life, only an individual can make that choice.
Sure, the lady in question shouldn’t have had the choice to bed down with Vandersloot, but its the choice she made. IMHO she is no more a victim than the gal who had herself impregnated by Ted Bundy. Ever hear of groupies? Why are these women so determined to have sex with famous athletes and rock stars? Are they victims? I’ve seen a few of our local ladies fertilized by visiting NFL teams. They practically stand in line to have sex with these guys. Pregnancy is a status symbol. I don’t pretend to understand the psychology whether its athletes, rock stars, or killers.
As for my brother did I mention the guy at that domestic violence scene had a samurai sword in his hand. Geez, my brother could have been decapitated trying to protect that woman. Did I mention the call he responded to concerning the 4 y/o child who was doused with gasoline and set aflame to get even with her mother? How about the gun he discovered under the floormat of a car which might have been used to blow someone away. No my brother didn’t have to be a policeman, but aren’t you glad he and other men and women have made the choice to serve and protect? Aren’t you glad these men and women pick up the dead bodies and deal with the underbelly of the human race that you only read about?
I merely asked:
However, do you not think any one at the prison is culpable in the least?
What if this man had killed her? Should someone be held responsible then?
Where did you get the notion that I think all women are victims?
Waiting for your answers to the above questions, not more of your lecturing.
“well lady, if you listened to me you wouldn’t be in this situation and I can’t do squat for you until the guy actually threatens you or tries to harm you.”
Yup. These compassionate police that talk down to abused women and refer to them as “lady”. ”Na, na, na. I told you so, lady. You should have believed me.” One wonders why some women question themselves and don’t trust their gut or even authority when some police abuse their authority. Police should be trusted just for choosing to be a police officer? LOL. Like I trusted the handsome, popular athlete because, well, because he wasn’t a biker.
except maybe of bad taste and gullibility
Educated and intelligent women have more sense
Police are paid to protect even those unintelligent, uneducated and gullible folks who have bad taste. And if they don’t, they should be out of a job.
And yes, I absolutely appreciate the good men and women on our police forces so I’d appreciate you not insinuating that I don’t. Thanks.
Hi Prax,
This is a third world prison. A dungeon. Corruption and payoffs of guards runs rampant. Somehow I think the woman had the responsibility to protect herself. She chose to have sex with a killer. If she was willing to pay off some guard, fine with him. Sorry Prax, in my eyes, this woman is no victim.
Concerning your questions.
Women not always being victims was a general statement. I don’t consider women who drool over serial killers or choose lives of crime or trash their lives to be victims and I have a problem with the argument that someone else, i.e. the prison, is responsible to protect them. Ultimately only we can make our choices and choose our paths.
Your other questions should be addressed by this post.
No that is realistic police talk. You see, this woman set herself up to be a victim when she didn’t listen to the advice of the police. This lady wasn’t being abused, she was frightened that a convict now out of prison was calling her. The law limits what police can do in these situations. So long as the parolee isn’t breaking any laws, there is little police can do. Where is the officer abusing his authority? He tried to prevent this situation.
Police are paid to protect uneducated men and women from bad taste and gulliblity? If criminal activity results from it, yes. I really think our men and women in law enforcement have enough to do dealing with criminals, domestic violence, murder, rape, and theft, to name just a few.
If criminal activity results from it, yes.
If a guard/officer took a payoff from this woman, this makes him a criminal as well and he should be fired. If he was negligent in not supervising the visit, he should be held accountable. Agree or not?
Where is the officer abusing his authority?
He had no need to rub it in that she didn’t take his earlier advice. He should have thanked her for letting the police know what was now taking place, told her they were limited at this point to do anything and encouraged her to keep them informed. Talking down to her will only make her less likely to contact police in the future. Do you not believe frightened people should contact the police? Do you think this woman conscientiously set herself up to be a victim? What about solicitors that take advantage of the elderly? Couldn’t we say the same of them? ”Well, they set themselves up to be the victim by having Alzheimers and the police are too busy.”
And not all police give good advice. Some of them are on power trips themselves. Sorry, Mar, been there.
Hi Prax,
No the guard shouldn’t have taken a payoff, assuming he did. But the woman had the choice not to visit the prison and have sex with the killer. For reasons known only to her, she made the choice to do so. As such, she is no victim. I have seen documentaries on third world prisons, its every man/woman for him/herself. I would expect little in the way of supervision and a lot in the way of bribes and corruption.
The officer didn’t rub it in, he stated fact. Had she listened to police advice, she wouldn’t be in this situation. Until such time as the parolee did something illegal, the police could do nothing. Sorry, but this lady set herself up to be a victim. Do I think it was consciencious? Well she was advised on the danger of corresponding with convicts, and chose to ignore it. You draw your own conclusions. Yes she is frightened and understandably so. She can certainly keep police informed if things escalate, but police aren’t going after someone for non threatening annoying phone calls and letters. The parolee is well aware of this as well and knows just how far he can push things. So let’s just hope things don’t escalate.
The elderly person with Alzheimer’s is a completely different situation. Scamming someone is illegal. I don’t know of elderly people who call scammers against police advice.
Police, being human, also have their failings. No argument from me there.
The police are responsible for running the prison. I’m not saying that the woman was a victim. I’m saying I expect more from those in charge. If someone took a bribe or was not doing their job, they should be fired. Period. I do realize third world prisons are a whole different ballgame, though and this woman is definitely more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Elderly people (and others) continue to fall for scams in spite of being consistently warned. Police are obligated to protect the slow learners among us too. If they don’t think they should, maybe they are in the wrong profession.
Thanks for the conversation. I enjoy your perspectives.
YOU made the decision not to be a lost cause, a victim. For that I commend and congratulate you and couldn’t be happier for you.
Thanks for this, Mary. I did make the choice after others gently prodded me to come to grips with the reality that was my life. If you would have told me I was a victim when I was with my abuser, I would have argued with you that everything was fine. Crazy becomes normal after time.
The amount of people who celebrate legalized abortion has proven the Crazy Becomes Normal Theory, I think.
Hi Praxades,
You are very welcome, I was only stating fact. No amount of prodding, help, or anything could have changed the course of your life had YOU not made the decision to do so.
Women like the lady under discussion have always been a mystery to me, and like I said Big Joe quit years ago trying to understand it, but continued to be frustrated by it. Especially those gals that become infatuated with the likes of Ramirez, Bundy, and Peterson. I’ve seen TV specials on it as well. The psychology is a complete mystery to me, though I’m sure theories abound.
I was happy to hear Vandersloot would spend years in that rathole and hopefully his life would be a minute by minute struggle to survive. Hearing this it sounds like he’s set himself up pretty good, which only makes me angry.
I enjoy our discussions as well and as much as we may disagree, it in no way diminishes my respect for you, your religious conviction, compassion, and your work with troubled children.
Mary says:
October 14, 2012 at 8:03 am
Hi Praxades,
You are very welcome, I was only stating fact. No amount of prodding, help, or anything could have changed the course of your life had YOU not made the decision to do so.
Women like the lady under discussion have always been a mystery to me, and like I said Big Joe quit years ago trying to understand it, but continued to be frustrated by it. Especially those gals that become infatuated with the likes of Ramirez, Bundy, and Peterson. I’ve seen TV specials on it as well. The psychology is a complete mystery to me, though I’m sure theories abound.
(Denise) Some women see such men as super-masculine. Thus, they feel super-feminine in a relationship with a “he-man.”
The women may also have a maternal feeling toward such men. The women believe if they give him good love, the man will be reformed.
The thing that concerns me is that baby and how he or she will be raised. Daddy is an imprisoned psychopath. Mommy is a prison groupie. Not a good start.
The women may also have a maternal feeling toward such men.
Hi Denise, I think this was definitely a part of my issue. Once I found out how many issues my ex had, it brought out my maternal feelings and I wanted to help him. The less he tried, the more I tried. Mary is right in saying others can only do so much and ultimately one has to look at and help themselves. Women (and men) need to believe what they see, not listen to the smooth talk. I should have dumped him when I realized he was not willing to get help and went out and adopted a couple of puppies instead! (:
Daddy is an imprisoned psychopath. Mommy is a prison groupie.
Sounds like a good start to a sad country song.
Hi Denise,
You make some good points. I have heard these women argue how they “understand” these men. Sure lady, you and about a couple dozen others that he’s stringing along. Big Joe told me how these convicts goes through newspapers, looking at obituaries, new home sales, letters to the editor, business openings, etc. to look for women to prey on.
Also, people with truly the best intentions, especially religious people, are all too often taken in. I know Christian people, including a married couple, who wound up corresponding with convicts, how I don’t know. Anyway the couple became concerned and asked me to get Big Joe’s advice. Well, after going through the roof, Big Joe said to stop correspondence immediately, but he feared for their safety. This con and his buddies know waaaay too much about this couple, probably more than they know about themselves. Thankfully nothing more happened. The couple said they only meant to give religious counsel and comfort. Big Joe said that it one of the biggest cons these guys play. Also, if the cons want religous guidance, the prison has plenty of bibles and clergy of all faiths on staff.
Hi Praxades, 10:35am
Once I found out how many issues my ex had, it brought out my maternal feelings and I wanted to help him.
Oh my goodness talk about deja vu all over again! I fell into that trap…..how many times, starting with my narcissistic, controlling, and constantly belittling first boyfriend in high school. The great blessing of hindsight.