by Hans Johnson
That’s the question Dan Joseph of MRC-TV asked sightseers at the Lincoln Memorial:
Both sides in the notoriously underreported murder trial of the Philadelphia abortion doctor have now rested. Jury deliberation begins today.
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I’ve seen 10x the number of columns from both the right and the left regarding how the media has ignored the trial compared to actual articles on the trial.
After the hand slap, it would have been nice to actually see coverage of the trial – but it seemed like the story became the coverage, not the murderer.
“After the hand slap, it would have been nice to actually see coverage of the trial – but it seemed like the story became the coverage, not the murderer. ”
That’s true. It’s become an arguing about liberal and conservative bias rather than actually getting any information out to the public about what went on with that stuff. Which is a shame, it’s an important story.
Like I said from the start, most people just see this as a squalid little story from one area of medicine. Similar things have happened in other branches of medicine over the years.
‘It’s not like he was shooting actual people in the street or anything. He didn’t ‘murder’ anyone. People wanted terminated fetuses, they got terminated fetuses.’ - like it or not, that’s how most people see it.
If he is found guilty of doing so in the wrong manner then he will face the consequences and everyone will proceed as normal.
What “branch of medicine” is this about?
Go on, give me a laugh. Tell me which branch of medicine you think its about ;-)
It isn’t. A branch of child sacrifice, voodoo maybe. But don’t call this anything like medicine. That’ like saying a car compacter is the same as an autoshop.
You believe in child sacrifice and voodoo? Sheesh, I don’t!
“A car compacter(sic) is the same as an autoshop.” – What a poor analogy. It makes no sense.
Yes it is a branch of medicine.
Yes, indeed. “Sic”. “Compactor”.
Yes it is a branch of medicine.
Sick.
“Sick” – hm, could that be the origins of medicine.
Reality, you seem to think that most people find the late term type of abortions that Gosnell did acceptable. I don’t think you’re correct. Most of the people I know are pro-choice, sadly enough, and all of them find cutting a baby’s neck after it’s born (sorry, aborted) alive absolutely reprehensible. A lot of them are opposed to abortions after viability anyway, unless it’s a matter of health or life for the mother. You’re seriously the only pro-choicer I’ve talked to that defends this type of stuff. You seem to think that we’re the extremists, but I think you’re actually in the minority in this one.
No, I don’t think that most people would find what he is alleged to have done acceptable Jack. That’s why I said ‘squalid’. Most people probably just think he should have made sure the fetuses were dead before he aborted them.
Yes I think I am in the minority when it comes to who the extremists are too Jack ;-)
“No, I don’t think that most people would find what he is alleged to have done acceptable Jack. That’s why I said ‘squalid’. Most people probably just think he should have made sure the fetuses were dead before he aborted them.”
Except that they don’t think that, because a big chunk of the “pro-choice” crowd are iffy about abortions after viability and the “personally pro-life” crowds seems to go all the way to actually pro-life when it comes to late terms. And I’ve only heard people defend letting born alive (sorry, aborted fetuses that aren’t quite dead yet) hurry up and die because the mother wants him or her to on the really extreme left. I think that you are assuming that most pro-choicers think like you when it doesn’t seem like that’s realistic.
You may well be right Jack. The more arguments I hear from some people here the more I find myself pondering Peter Singer’s position. The more they argue a totally uncompromising no abortions ever, for anyone, at any time, at any stage, for whatever reason; the more I’ll be intent on supporting total, unrestricted freedom.
So your response to people holding opinions you dislike is to be cool with what, all out infanticide? That’s pretty poor reasoning. And pretty gross.
I didn’t say I’d be cool with it. I just said I’d support it in argument against those displaying an extremist opposing viewpoint. Sometimes it’s the only way to deal with them.
Oh, so it’s more like hardcore opinions push your argument further to the left? I see. I do that sometimes when arguing with people who irritate me, lol. I don’t think I could argue Singer’s views though, even if I didn’t really want to see them implemented. They make me ill.
“Left”?
Well, I think his argument basically hinges on when ‘personhood’ begins. And it could be argued that self-recognition could be deemed to be salient. That’s one point of view. There are others of course. It is subjective.
Well, you can argue all kinds of things, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t repugnant to most thinking people.
I just don’t understand how you can be so cavalier with other people’s lives. It’s like your’s hasn’t ever been at the mercy of someone who valued their freedom to do as they wished to you at the expense of your rights.
“other people’s lives” – that’s the point. When do the ‘products of conception’ become ‘other people’s lives’? Peoples opinions run the gamut from the moment of conception all the way through until the point where the reflection in the mirror is recognised.
“It’s like your’s hasn’t ever been at the mercy of someone who valued their freedom to do as they wished to you at the expense of your rights.” – but it has Jack. My mother could have aborted me. Being pregnant was quite difficult at the time. She didn’t so I’m here. If she had, well I couldn’t exactly be sad or angry about it could I.
“but it has Jack. My mother could have aborted me. Being pregnant was quite difficult at the time. She didn’t so I’m here. If she had, well I couldn’t exactly be sad or angry about it could I.”
Well I know, I was being a bit sarcastic. But you wouldn’t be sad or angry if she had murdered you as a newborn, or a toddler, or if she somehow killed you while you were sleeping without waking you up when you were a teenager. Same result. It doesn’t make any sense to use the “fetuses won’t care anyway” thing.
Does your mother like you at all? I don’t get you people who are totally cool with your parents having life and death legal control over you.
There’s the difference between pre and post ‘personhood’ to be considered Jack.
My mother does like me. She insists on flying in to visit me every so often (and I’m happy to see her).
“your parents having life and death legal control over you” – call me a traditionalist BWAHAHA!!!
“There’s the difference between pre and post ‘personhood’ to be considered Jack.”
Still doesn’t matter to your uncaring nonexistent self, though. :D
” My mother does like me. She insists on flying in to visit me every so often (and I’m happy to see her).”
Well that’s good I guess. I am totally confused by people like you.
” “your parents having life and death legal control over you” – call me a traditionalist BWAHAHA!!!”
I died lol.
“I am totally confused by people like you.” – most of the world struggles to cope completely with reality Jack, you understand that.
Night Jack, think I’ll raise a glass. Only one or two, not eight or ninek ;-)
Meh, glass, bottle, same difference to me. Night Reality.
Jack, you’ve had this discussion with Reality.
Reality is a troll.
His heart doesn’t work right.
He has no conception concerning the dignity and worth of human life.
There is no way you can ever make abortion out to be the horror that it is to him. Again, there is something wrong with his heart. Do not mistake all his words for understanding. Just let him babble on, and if we don’t enagage him, he will go away and talk to people who actually care.
Just don’t take the bait. Time spent with him is lost forever.
Courtnay, agree with you completely. Troll (I mean, Reality) has a hard shell around him. One day perhaps it will crack. Until then, reason and love just bounce off.
Perhaps you should read what some of the others here say about human biology Courtnay. My heart works fine, it beats and circulation ensues. Hearts don’t have thoughts or emotions. That’s part of the brain’s role.
No, you can’t ever make out that abortion is a horror. You can try, but you won’t succeed. There are vastly more horrible things in the world.
I’m not an egg Mat.Anna :-)
One does not consume one’s wine straight from the bottle Jack, that would be significantly lacking in decorum.