Pro-life vid of day: SFLA exposé – How Plan B hides statutory rape
by Kelli
Students for Life of America has released a video at www.ExposePlanB.com showing how, according to SFLA president Kristan Hawkins, “statutory rapists can use this powerful drug to easily get away with their crimes by casually purchasing it for their underage victims with no one none the wiser, including the parents…. This is illegal and could be prevented with common sense restrictions on the sale of the Plan B.”
In this undercover series, SFLA went to “30 Walgreens, Rite-Aid, and CVS stores across the nation in August and September of 2013 and filmed these interactions. While the situation may seem extreme, real instances of this and worse have taken place with a similar drug, Ella….”
[youtube]http://youtu.be/sLHEWawsqPw[/youtube]
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
… You know that rapists can do the same thing with condoms, right? Or just have their victim get on birth control (which a lot of time you can do without parental consent)? Both of those are easier than the morning after pill, and cheaper.
I love how the party who is fine with a gun in every household and fights against regulations is wringing their hands over something else that might possibly be dangerous being available.
Jack, your pithy and inspiring comments all over the site lately have become very interesting. Honestly, I’ve been wondering if you’re the same Jack who has been a longtime commenter here, because… something is different.
You’re comparing guns (which can actually be used to protect the lives of innocent people) to Plan B?? I don’t get it. Seems like you just come here to b*tch lately. Hope you’re having fun.
No, it’s the same Jack as always?
Have I been sounding that off? I don’t mean to be. I’m usually just being hyperbolic, not angry or anything. I’ve had a lot of personal problems the last few months so maybe I’m being ruder than I realize.
What I meant by the gun thing is that one of the major reasoning behind gun control is that innocent people can get harmed by something, even if the vast majority of people are using guns properly. But here we’re using the same argument for regulation of Plan B (that someone could use it to do crimes and harm innocents) from the vast majority of users, who are adults making their own decisions. It’s the exact same argument. I don’t think it’s valid for gun control advocates, and I don’t think it’s valid here.
There are laws regarding approval and prescription of pharmaceuticals all over the place. This is all normal.
There are laws regarding what guns can and cannot be sold, incl a category that carry a $200 tax, who can and how to buy and sell, and plenty of regulations about what you can and cannot do with a gun. gun places have to carry liability insurance. and so on. This is all normal.
And Kel I don’t know if you’ve noticed but there’s a LOT of poor people bashing on this blog. Like, a lot. It seems a lot worse for the last couple months, or maybe my tolerance for it has just decreased. It seems like people don’t want to understand or help the conditions that lead people to the things that they complain about. I don’t understand why I get called out for some minor snark (or maybe not minor, I am sorry that I’ve been over the top I just didn’t notice), but people say mean things all the time about those who can’t afford healthcare, or end up depending on assistance or whatever. It’s hard to spend years listening to people blame you and shame you for things that you have tried to fix and haven’t been able to yet, and you keep getting set back. I’m not hateful (I’m sorry if it came across that way), but it does hurt to see it all the time. It seems like people have little sympathy. When you get garnished 25% of your paycheck for medical bills from years ago, that is going to take decades to pay off and you don’t have a chance to do any better when there’s no way to get out from under that burden, and you can’t afford your anti-depressants and can’t see your therapist for months, when your kids is on less effective asthma meds because the ones that work best for him are too expensive and not covered by his insurance, and you have to send your kids to your in-laws for like a week at the end of the month because you don’t have enough food to keep them and yourself well fed, and like half of what you see everywhere are people judging people like you it does get old and it’s hard to respond kindly and not get bitter. Especially when you know that you’ll always going to be seen as less than everyone else. It’s hard not to be angry when people make assumptions and say judgmental things. But I’ll try to be nicer, I’m sorry I didn’t realize I was letting my frustrations show as much as I apparently have. I just wish people could try to put themselves in other’s shoes a little more. I don’t understand why it makes people feel good to put people who didn’t have a very good start in life down.
“There are laws regarding what guns can and cannot be sold, incl a category that carry a $200 tax, who can and how to buy and sell, and plenty of regulations about what you can and cannot do with a gun. gun places have to carry liability insurance. and so on. This is all normal.”
It completely depends on your state what kind of gun regs there are. I’m not anti-gun and I think a lot of gun control regs are kinda useless, I just thought the arguments against Plan B getting sold sound a lot like the arguments that gun control advocates use (that they could be used to harm innocent people, even though the vast majority of guns are not used to harm innocents). I just don’t think it’s a valid argument.
Shall I get all super-sleuthy and do some undercover filming of people buying knives at a kitchenware store and then get on my high horse about knife crime? Talk about a storm in a teacup.
I think you are being unfairly harsh on Jack Kel. Given the relentless hounding, provocation and slurs he has been subject to by certain people at various times I think he’s conducted himself with extraordinary tolerance and grace. Some of the things I have seen written towards and about him are themselves indicative of the sort of negative behaviors he protests. I think some people just can’t handle his honesty. And others use him to try to feel better about themselves.
No she’s right I think I am a jerk. I’m just having an awful time this year and taking things way too hard. I should try to be more understanding and explain my points without attacking. And some of the “mean” things people say about me are correct, they just hurt my feelings because I’m a big baby and I respond badly.
No she’s right I think I am a jerk. – no Jack, the jerks are those who say some of the things they say to you.
I’m just having an awful time this year and taking things way too hard. I should try to be more understanding and explain my points without attacking.- B.S. You are the one under attack and not receiving understanding from a few folk
And some of the “mean” things people say about me are correct, they just hurt my feelings because I’m a big baby and I respond badly. – even if they should happen to be correct, there’s a good way and a bad way to say so.
Sometimes it almost seems as if some people struggle to consider you a ‘suitable’ member of the anti-choice community. You know the type of age-old thinking I mean. Like those who ‘liked’ Kel’s comment.
“no Jack, the jerks are those who say some of the things they say to you.”
I don’t need to respond in kind though. It doesn’t teach people anything or help them understand if you just snark at them when they say something rude. I used to be a lot better at being polite, better as suppressing that anger.
“Sometimes it almost seems as if some people struggle to consider you a ‘suitable’ member of the anti-choice community.”
Because I’m not, really, I don’t “fit” in most groups with decent people. I was always at home with my druggie friends and it’s a struggle to be like normal people. It’s the same with every other groups, pro-lifers aren’t the only ones who have issues with me. It’s not their fault that I don’t get it, and that I don’t act correctly. Just gotta get over myself and stop being stupid about things.
‘decent people’
‘normal people’
You still have much to learn grasshopper :-)
I don’t think you need to get over yourself and stop being stupid about things, maybe it’s more a case of getting over other people being stupid about things ;-)
I have been very supportive and even defensive of Jack in the past, and he knows it. Because I do care about Jack and all that he has been through.
I have noticed a change in your tone, Jack, regarding how you speak to fellow pro-lifers here – it just seems more cynical and calloused. And without hope. I don’t know. Honestly, before I said what I did I truly wondered if we had a different Jack commenting. I was being totally serious.
I am well aware of the crap you’ve taken from some people here. I guess my surprise is that you seem to be on the offensive now, dishing out your own, with a “you people” accusatory tone, which I am not used to from you. It is upsetting to me precisely because of the interactions we have had outside of this site.
“I have been very supportive and even defensive of Jack in the past, and he knows it. Because I do care about Jack and all that he has been through.”
I know and a lot of people have been nice besides you. I’m sorry I don’t appreciate it enough. I have trouble believing people when they say nice things or be supportive, that’s my fault not anyone else’s.
“I have noticed a change in your tone, Jack, regarding how you speak to fellow pro-lifers here – it just seems more cynical and calloused. And without hope. I don’t know. Honestly, before I said what I did I truly wondered if we had a different Jack commenting. I was being totally serious.”
I suppose I don’t have any hope, and I am kinda cynical now. I need to work on that. I just thought everything was going to get better after I got divorced and things don’t actually change and it’s been a year. I’m not any happier and maybe I made a mistake getting divorced or something, I think we could have worked through stuff if I had tried harder and been a better husband. I haven’t accepted it yet that things aren’t going to be better. And I don’t want to get on food stamps or take any charity because I’m already one of the people that everyone complains about, my kids are on the state insurance which I try to tell myself is okay because I do pay state taxes through sales tax and such, but I really think I’m going to have to get one some type of assistance and I’m angry that I can’t seem do better when everyone says if you work hard you shouldn’t have to have anything like that. And I know people think that needing medication for depression is just weakness of character but I guess I’m weak, because I really need to get back on them, I can’t even function properly and I’m angry and unhappy all the time without them. It never really does get any better. I don’t mean to be mean to people, I need to accept this stuff and stop getting mad at everyone for judging. All I ever wanted was to be a respectable normal person and it’s hard to accept that I’m failing.
And I do notice that I keep generalizing people, which isn’t fair. I should be specific and probably stop complaining about things. I’m sorry, I shouldn’t take things out on people. It’s not anyone’s fault that my life is like this and I can’t really blame people for judging. I just wish things weren’t so hard.
I’m sorry Kel.
So NOBODY that learned of the 33 year old raping the 15 year old thought to call authorities and report it?
Ring it up. Smile. Have a nice day. Next.
And the guy laughing saying, “Crush it up and put it in her orange juice. HAR DEE HAR HAR!” He should be fired.
God help us. The days are dark my friends. Praying Jesus comes back soon.
Bingo, Carla.
I was wondering the exact same thing. The guy freely admits he’s 33, the girl is 15, etc. etc. and no one bats an eye. Business as usual.
Mike,
Reminds me of the Live Action videos of the pimp and his little sex slaves. No one at PP batted an eye either when he wanted abortions for them.
Waist up and all that jazz.
Jack,
You know who cares for you. You know who is there for you.
We are not all the same “types” of folks here.
Maybe you have had some tough days. There is grace.
You are quite sensitive on many topics here and I get that. But are you sure the intention is to hurt you?
Taking offense is a choice.
From a website dedicated to ending childhood sexual abuse
What is a mandated reporter?
All states designate certain professionals as mandated reporters. A mandated reporter is one who is required by law to report reasonable suspicions of abuse. Check your state mandatory reporting laws to determine if your profession is designated as a mandated reporter. Mandated reporters typically include social workers, teachers, health care workers, child care providers, law enforcement, mental health professionals, among others but keep in mind that some states designate all citizens as mandated reporters. Regardless of specific mandated reporters, all persons can and should always reports suspected abuse. It is the job of all adults to protect children.
So NOBODY that learned of the 33 year old raping the 15 year old thought to call authorities and report it? Ring it up. Smile. Have a nice day. Next.
I agree 100% Carla. Creepy and beyond neglectful on the part of the adults.
Carla, Thank You for pointing out the children who seem to have been lost due to the extremely sick “needs” of some adults.
Praying to Jesus right along with you.
Amen Prax,
It is the job of all adults to protect children.
We are failing miserably.
WEll I have to say I agree with Jack that the arguments are similar and are maybe not great motivation. It’s a slippery slope.
I just think there are better ways to regulate sexual abuse of children because as Jack said, rapists are inventive and will find a plethora of ways to abuse victims. TO me, the onus needs to be more on people paying attention and gee, I don’t know, CARING about those around them?? Asking questions?? You know, making human connections. That’s where the danger is! People just turn a blind eye. Listen to your kids. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. The worst that can happen is you’ll just be embarrassed.
But then again, Plan B and Planned Parenthood does NOT need to be in schools. It’s just that we regulate the living crap out of everything these days and you can’t regulate stupidity. People would abuse the use of air if they could. There’s always going to be those nutters….
Oh and Jack,
I feel the pain, bro. :( I almost had a panic attack in the pediatricians’ office when she said we might have to start supplementing and bring him back for a weight check. Another weight check. Life is so darn expensive. There’s that, and I need to get my own lab work done and see a dermatologist one of these days and should honestly probably be seeing an endocrinologist and that’s not even talking about basic crap like the dentist. Sigh. :(
I know I”ve been guilty in the past of brushing “people” with a broad brush and I’ve been trying very hard to walk in other peoples’ shoes and extend grace. So I apologize if I’ve ever come off as harsh or judgmental. I do try my hardest to be empathetic. But it is sometimes human nature to be dismissive. Especially on the internet because we’re not looking at “these people’s” faces and telling them our thoughts.
So it all comes back to a lack of human connection. We’re ensconced safely behind our screens, ripping others to shreds, all the while blithely letting more and more abuse happen right in our own back yards and keeping our mouths shut.
Man. I’m pessimistic today.
“. TO me, the onus needs to be more on people paying attention and gee, I don’t know, CARING about those around them?? Asking questions?? You know, making human connections.”
Yes, like this guy laughing off some dude talking about slipping some underage girl a drug. THAT’s the problem, not the fact Plan B exists.
And you’re right everything is too expensive. I’ve sold like half of what I own and I still can’t afford things I need. There’s not enough food in the house for the month. It’s just ridiculous. It shouldn’t be this hard to feed your kids without food stamps. There’s really not any options and no way out.
“But are you sure the intention is to hurt you?
Taking offense is a choice.”
I already said it’s my fault for not accepting things.
Thanks for bringing up the mandated reporting Carla. I am one of those mandated reporters under the law. It’s tough to be impartial and call on someone, always. I find that DCFS (dept of child/family services) stinks in Illinois in terms of handling mandated reporting. Their investigations are lousy and half-….. It’s disheartening. But I do think that this helps to take responsibility for the plight of others. Those that are not mandated reporters most likely think its not their concern and that is a true travesty.
So am I Thomas!!
Man I doubt they even looked into half the things I reported as a teacher!!
But I did what I knew to do.
Jack,
Plan B IS a problem. Wouldn’t you agree?
I was just reiterating NOT rubbing your face in it again.
I agree, Carla. Plan B is a big problem.
Jack
We’ve been going through some very difficult times as well. What I’ve learned to do is just to take it one day at a time. Our food stamps before the recent cuts were decreased from two hundred and something a month to thirty-three dollars- after I complained they raised it to eighty-seven dollars a month. An organization that helps people with cancer even though Danny thankfully does not have cancer helped us out and this allowed me to pay our electric bill and buy some food. These are some things that might help. There is an organization called rescueme.org that helps you to raise money through supporters such as family and friends. You could also apply for medicaid and food stamps to help you with food and the medication you need. Another thing you also mentioned you deal with depression be careful what you do take for depression because recently I was taking wellbutrin and felt so much better the majority of the time but when I was depressed the depression was unreal so I took myself off. After researching how anti-depressants work I find out that for some anti-depressants they are not even sure how they work. Hope things get better for you soon.
Jack
Sorry wrong website. Rescueme.org is to help animals find homes. The website that helps you to raise money is gofundme.org. Hope this helps.