Hallmark moment
Even pro-aborts are having a hard time mustering sympathy for the Boston mother suing Planned Parenthood to pay child-rearing costs after it botched an abortion in 2004 and she delivered a little girl, which she kept.
Pro-abort blogger Girlspoke was incredulous today that the mother didn’t place the baby for adoption….
The premise for her lawsuit is based on claims that she could not afford to have a child (couldn’t afford a rubber either, apparently) and that’s the reason she chose to terminate. HOWEVER (and here comes her [expletive] moron beacon), she didn’t have to keep the child…. She made a choice to abort and yes, through no fault of her own, that didn’t go according to plan. Okay, fine. Ooopsy. But she had a second opportunity to rid herself of any child related burdens by choosing to give up the baby. She did not.
Rightfully so, Girlspoke worried about the little girl.
Maybe I’m just a simpleton, but this entire situation boggles my mind. The child is already two and the mom is now embarking on legal suits that will, in all likelihood, take years…. I’m no prodigal psychologist, but you know that poor little girl is going to have some serious issues with mommy dearest.
I wonder how Hallmark could jump on the financial enterprise with this one?
But the truth is, I really wish you’d been sucked out of me”
Out of the mouths of pro-abort babes, pardon the pun….
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
If you can fathom what this is, it is totally in sync and consistent with the reasoning of pro-death advocates.
This is a “wrongful life” suit. Can you believe it?
Again, evidence of what abortion truly is, against everything that is good and blessed about life. The definition of perversion.
The only good thing that I could see coming of this is that this idiot will win the suit and put PP out of business.
Yes, it’s a wrongful life suit, and those are really hard to win. Especially when she had a right to give the baby up for adoption.
I don’t see any “perversion” here.
PP counselors are legally and professionally obligated to specifically address the fact pre-abortion that 95% of medical abortions and 97% of surgical abortions are successful. I would think that unless there was some grievous mistake the doctor would have a solid reason for being unable to detect her pregnancy. It doesnt seem like a very persuable case. I agree with Girlspoke; the victim in all of this is the child, and the mother should be charged herself for keeping her daughter in hopes of making a quick buck off her situation.
For some reason your moral vision does not allow you to see the part of the moral spectrum that reflects abortion as murder, hence perversion, or bending of light. You have chosen to be blind.
Realize, you wear this filter as a matter of choice for which you are responsible.
If you’re wearing goggles that block and therefore blind you to certain light wavelengths, that doesn’t change the nature of the light.
The fact you you choose not to see the perversion of abortion does not change the fact that it is and will always be murder.
To use the words legal and professional in the same sentence as PP is the very definition of an oxymoron.
Yes, and we still buy and eat jumbo shrimp.
If abortion is not murder, what exactly is it? A morally neutered act of what?
Abortion is the legal decision that some combination of a mother’s defendable rights outweighs the inherent right of an unborn child to experience life. If you dont like living in a country that protects your right to be a raving Christian while at the same time protecting a mother’s right to exercise control over what takes place inside her body, you might consider moving to Chile. I understand they have the strictest abortion laws on the planet. Im not sure what their policy is on religious freedom, however.
Nicaragua’s got pretty strict laws too…didn’t they deny a 9-year-old rape victim an abortion?
“The fact you you choose not to see the perversion of abortion does not change the fact that it is and will always be murder.”
It might be for you.
But hey, NEWSFLASH: What makes our society so fascinating, is, that we’re all different. We have different backgrounds, different languages and different political views. Doesn’t mean you’re right and we’re wrong.
SamanthaT:
No one has ever callled me a raving Christian, so, I will take that as a compliment. Thanks. However, I would only consider moving if Hillarious Clinton or Borack Obama bin Laden were elected President(just kidding). I know you would like it if all of us Christians moved away so you could murder, murder, murder, all you want. However, you fail to realize that our remnant presence keeps God from mercilessly destroying our country. Do you know how many geologic faults run under the US of A?
Perhaps you should move to Nevada where they allow immoral women to do whatever they want?
Ingrid:
Yep, at those rights you certainly enjoy to the fullest in good old Deutchland because there used to be a majority of people in the US who knew right from wrong and were willing to die to defeat Hitler and his genocidal (abortion like) mentality.
Hitler/Justifiable Genocide
Abortionists/Justifiable Genocide
Same.
Deutschland, not Deutchland. That would sound more like “Dutchland”…
And don’t give me the “We saved you from Hitler” crap. WWII was 60 years ago, I’m not going to let anyone tell me that. I wasn’t born until the eighties, so I have nothing to do with the war except for hearing about it from my dad and in school.
And now you another aspect of Europe (especially France) I love? Separation of state and church. Best idea ever.
“I know you would like it if all of us Christians moved away so you could murder, murder, murder, all you want.”
Because abortion of Americans is the only “murder” going on, right? Not like any innocents have been killed in that righteous war in Iraq. But wait, they’re probably Muslim, so that doesnt really count anyway, does it? Or is it just okay because your son is representin’ the homefront in the military?
This lawsuit is absurd. How do you not realize you’re still pregnant? PP requires a follow up appointment which includes a pregnancy test. If she didnt show up for her follow up AND wasn’t bright enough to realize she was still pregnant, thats on her, not PP. I dont know why EITHER side is giving this a second thought – because no matter which perspective you’re looking at it from – this woman is an idiot. Obviously she knew she was pregnant when she was giving birth – thats when she could have told her doctor she wanted to give it up for adoption. That costs nothing. Again it comes down to CHOICE. She CHOSE to keep the baby instead of giving it up for adoption, and that means its no one elses responsibility to pay her bills, beyond WIC and welfare which every struggling mother should have access to.
SamanthaT:
Careful, my son is over there, putting his life on the line, defending your right to be a murderer in this country. And it would be people like you that I would be afraid for if their plan to take over the world came true. For me, they would try to compel me to denounce my faith in Christ, I would refuse, be decapitated, and then, go to heaven. For you, you would probably in your cowardly way, give lip service to accepting Islam, but…..lose your precious right to kill inocent children in the womb. You know, now that I think of it that wouldn’t be so bad after all. Perhaps we should withdraw from Iraq.
Yes, innocents are being killed in the Middle East, however, you could never use that as a justification to kill innocent unborn children in the womb in the US or any other place in the world. Are you trying to say that because we are fighting a war in Iraq in an attempt to contain millitant Islam and terrorists that it’s therefore OK to kill unborn babies in the womb?
Or perhaps you would prefer wearing a face covering and being subject to having your hand cut off if you stole something or to have your husband legally kill you (abort you) if he just suspected you of having an affair? And abortion, hah, forget that. Ever heard of Sharia Law?
Careful how you charaterize my view of Muslims. I have many close Muslim friends who I love dearly. In fact, my nephew-in-law is a Muslim and his children are my great-niece and great nephew who I love deeply, all of who I pray come to a knowledge of Jesus Christ.
Again, and again, and again. Pro-deathers make absolutely no sense. I really think it’s a pathology and probably could be documented as a mental disorder.
His Man:
It’s “Christians” like you who make me despise christianity. I’m willing to wager a bet that you think Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and pretty much any other religion other than your own are following “Satan’s lies” because they don’t believe in Jesus as the Son of “God”.
Get over yourself and your obnoxious “holier-than-thou” crap.
I have a real problem with people that try to collect “Blood $” Not only should this woman not receive 1 red cent,but children services should intervene at once!…How bizarre!!!!
Jill – I understand that you want to remove insults and vulgarity from your blog. But why is it that you censor the pro choicers, yet “HisMan”‘s hateful, belittling, venomous, insulting, judgemental, and bitter tirades against us are perfectly acceptable? (Even when he is insulting fellow Pro Lifers like MK?)
Im not insulted by him as a pro choicers – like I’ve said before – he can think what he wants, it doesn’t make him right, but he has a right to his opinion – but rather I am insulted by him as an educated and independent woman with strong convictions and faith. He can disagree with whatever we say, but there is no reason for his vile, hateful language. I know you wouldn’t tolerate that type of behavior from us (and I wouldn’t expect you to), but its only fair – hate and insults are hate and insults – no matter what side they’re coming from.
hey Momof3
we agree on something!! whaddya know! =)
HisMan,
You are coming off as a very angry, hateful person through your posts. You might want to hold off on insults if you want to get your message across.
Amanda, of all the people on this blog, myself included, His Man is performing the greatest service. He is throwing cold water on your faces as you lie there unconscious. His 2:05p post, for instance, was incredible. He anguishes over you. You do not understand the meaning of love yet, but he is showing it to you.
Jill:
I’d rather His Man didn’t throw cold water on me as I lay unconscious…I’d prefer him to leave me be and allow me to wake up on my own or die.
If you call what he’s saying “love”…I really don’t want to know what you think “hate” is.
And he really should stop anguishing over us…all he’s doing is giving himself an ulcer.
That’s enough.
Jill,
Thanks for the compliment.
I used to get the same responses from my 5 children when I dsciplined them with the truth. Sometimes it was a spanking or if they really crossed the line, a switch on the legs…then a hug, of course, for a loving dad who was more interested in keeping them out of hell than in winning a popularity contest.
Thankfully, they all love their father and up to this point have all turned out to be very happy, pro-life, pro-God, and very sucessful Christian adults.
And you’re right. I will not coddle to people who just can’t handle the truth and, when they can’t, use lies, vilification, and accusation to discredit the truth bearer.
And speaking the truth in love implies just speaking the truth without resorting to accomodation and compromise. The truth is the truth or it ain’t the truth.
And Rae, it’s not because of Christians like me that you despise Christianity. Very simply, it’s because you hate Christ, the man-God who died for you. Hard to understand, but so is suicide.
Also Jill,
I have a question. Do these pro-deathers take classes to learn all these lies? The perverted consistency is absolutely amazing. Perhaps it’s true that our institutions of higher learning are more effective than we realize.
Bye Jill. Sorry to upset you. It IS an emotional issue and I do get a bit angry. I’m leaving. I do wish you peace and a happy life.
Gary.
Hisman, I appreciate you being here.
“And Rae, it’s not because of Christians like me that you despise Christianity. Very simply, it’s because you hate Christ, the man-God who died for you. Hard to understand, but so is suicide.”
Um, I don’t hate Christ. How can I hate that which doesn’t exist?
Gary, come back anytime, seriously. Just behave.
So Jill deletes my comments again, even though what I said was about love and my faith in God…
and HisMan admits to hitting his kids
wow.
HisMan is in cahoots with the Phelps!
Danielle, that’s ridiculous. He has never once advocated hating anyone and using God as a shield for that hatred. Those people (the phelps) are the sickest and most insane people I can think of and are NOT of God.
The God that Hisman talks about is a God of LOVE, and Hisman may not agree with you but he has never ever promoted hate towards you or anyone else because of your hatred for God.
All he’s done is shed light on your pro-abortion/death ways.
HisMan is a Phelp. Watch the documentary and see for yourself. These people are also “throwing cold water on your faces as you lie there unconscious.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fUyJQgRuM&mode=related&search=
It’s a pretty long watching seeing as there’s 7 parts and they’re each 10 mintues long.
I already watched it yesterday.
I know what they’re about. They’ve been all over TV. They have nothing to do with God. They are all about hate, which is the opposite of God.
Who do you pro-fetus/anti-sex people think that pro-choicers (or as you call us, “pro-deathers”) think that we hate God so much because we don’t believe in him?
As I said before, how can you hate that which doesn’t exist?
And His Man is a Phelps because he feels it necessary to condemn us all to Hell because we don’t believe what he believes.
Amanda,
Of course. Don’t you remember, Jill supports abuse. Remember her infamous Godfather post?
His Man, 3:01p, asked: “I have a question. Do these pro-deathers take classes to learn all these lies? The perverted consistency is absolutely amazing. Perhaps it’s true that our institutions of higher learning are more effective than we realize.”
As near as I can tell, most of the pro-aborts commenting on this board are in college. My daughter attended American U last semester on a DC exchange program and only found one other conservative. (And you saw the demonstration at American U yesterday d/t Karl Rove’s visit? Joe Wilson came last semester and got the opposite reception.)
So Jill, I take it that you are anti-higher education? Figures that you wouldn’t want people to actually you know…learn things.
Rae FTW! ^_^
How could I forget Danielle,
thats what brought us all here in mutual horror and disgust in the first place!
But she still never answered my question…if one slap does not domestic violence make… what makes domestic violence? 7 slaps? Or does the woman need to end up in the ER for it to be valid? Or dead maybe? And I guess hitting your kids with switches is okay too.
Thank the good Lord the law disagrees.
No classes for me. Im just naturally a dirty liberal. My schools sex ed didnt touch abortion, at least not yet. Mostly been talk about STDs abstinence, and safe sex.
I think Im one of the only, if not the only, high school student here, though Im a bit unsure.
His Man,
Just to clarify. College is great. It teaches you to be independant and free-thinking.
I formed my opinions on abortion long before I was even thinking about college.
Rae, worldviews are taught at colleges and universities alongside book smarts. Most people teaching at colleges/universities are secular liberals and certainly indoctrinate their students with their religion, which is anything in antithesis to Judeo-Christianity.
My high school didn’t talk about abortion either and sex ed was covered in eh, one class. I learned more for the two parenting classes I took about sex than I did in health class.
Jill:
Ha, yes, secularity is such a horrible thing. I have yet to see a war that had anything to do with secularism (though I can find a LOT of wars started by Christianity).
And just so you know, I came about my world views on my own while I was in high school. It’s nice having apolitical parents who don’t try to force and mold you to think the way they do.
Dan, I’ve read your posts. You’re thoughtful and open-minded. You support abortion now but you once did not, and think you’re still wrestling with it.
Jill,
I had most of the same beliefs now that I had in high school. College didn’t change anything, just reinforced them a bit and gave me more information about the topics.
I went to a conservative college for my first year and a half of college, seriously thought I was going to be smothered to death by some of the professors and the people at the school. Thank goodness my English teachers was all pretty liberal.
My conservative professors pushed their ideas much more than my liberal ones. The liberal ones encouraged thinking while the conservatives graded on it your opinion matched theirs (granted this can probably also be vis versa, but it my experience that’s how it’s been).
Most of the se ed is net year though, at least thats what I believe, so its possible it could come up, fearing all the seniors may have sex after prom and all.
A lot of people have political views in highschool, college often does test them and makes you think in new ways, but that doesnt mean you all of the sudden abandon them for a new view point. Iit takes a good amount of time for someones beliefs to change one way or another. Professors may or may not influence you, but if someone truly believes in an ideal, their views most likely are not going to change.
Jill, thanks for the invite back, but I don’t see much good for me or your other visitors to continue this dialog. We’re not convincing each other, we’re not really even listening. There is no middle ground on this issue. I used to think we should communicate with each other, try to understand each other, and at least value the diversity of ideas. It’s not too interesting to read a thread of comments like “wow, thanks Jill, that was so inspirational.” Your site has been interesting the last few weeks, I’ll give you that.
However, the attacks on the “pro-death, pro-aborts” are taken personally. (“Mental disorder” “perveted consistency”?) Your ideas are as repugnant to some of us as ours are to you.
There are sometimes we agree, like prosecuting a person who kills the fetus/person in a woman’s womb. We’re all in favor of that. Or how stupid it seems to sue PP for a birth folllowing an attempted abortion.
On the big issues, I’ll never convince you or even increase your understanding of my position. And vice versa. This issue will torment our society for some time to come, it appears. I’ll bow out of the debate, and satisfy myself with voting for people who you vote against. Democracy in action!
One final note, I assure you I am well past college age, I think my mental health is okay, and I sleep well at night.
sorry about misspellings, a lot of the keys on my keyboard stick or simply wont work unless I bang on them.
As for the comment about being open minded, I thank you for the compliment. As for the bit about abortion, my views are pretty set for early on in then pregnancy, it is later, at viability, when my beliefs become overly complex and waver some.
All the professors I’ve had are pretty neutral, or if they aren’t they hide their views pretty well.
But then again, I’m a science major and politics don’t really have anything to do with streaking bacteria cultures on plates or learning about alkoxymercuration-demercuration. Maybe in my upper level courses or my med school classes politics may have more to do with what I’m learning, but right now, no, it doesn’t.
Rae,
That’s what we really need. More pro-abortion physicians. Now there’s an oxymoron for you.
Well, if you can’t succeed in let’s say pediatrics or general medicine, you could always be an abortionist.
We all need a back-up plan.
You do know that “abortionist” are gynos, right?
His Man:
Oh good lord, seriously, shove it in your ear. I was planning on going into pediatrics (shocker, I know because pro-choicers HATE kids, right?) or Internal medicine. I have no intrest in going into gynecology or obstetrics.
Here’s another little tidbit: I’m in favor of euthanasia if that is the patient’s wishes. Oh snap.
Gary, you’re right there doesn’t seem to be much convincing going on. I tarry on thinking many are reading and not writing… absorbing the debate and hopefully concluding the pro-life position is correct.
I also know pro-bort beliefs (cliches, actually) are being tested here as they will be nowhere else. And hopefully some of what we stay will swirl around and someday gain footing.
Finally, the debate is always helpful to me, personally. I’m forced to think through my own cliches and defend them.
And I always find what pro-aborts say fascinating, even if you sometimes wear me out.
You’re right this issue will “torment our society for some time to come.” The Supremes in 1973 thought their decision would settle things. It had the opposite effect. That in itself is an indication their decision was unsound. People are not growing more comfortable with abortion over time. It is not growing more accepted in society. It never will.
Chow, Gary. Hope you return.
Jill, I just wanted to comment on your bit about Supreme Court decisions. There is at least some type of upheaval by the people when a decision is made by the Supreme court that affects rights. the “clear and present danger” doctrine, Brown v Board of education, etc. There are cases where upheaval has come before acceptance, and it could happen again, or it may not. Only time will tell
Jill:
Just so you know it’s spelled “Ciao” not “chow”. I’m not being rude, I’m just gently correcting. :)
Dan, I know. But in those cases people over time come to see the light. Not so in decisions that are wrong.
Rae, I know. That’s just how I sign off for fun. Thanks for being nice about it, though.
Dan, Roe v. Wade was decided 34 years ago, and people are becoming more stirred up about it over time, not less.
Roe v. Wade was a terribly flawed decision on its merits. Even the other side admits this. That is why you hear them now question prospective Supremes if they believe in the concept of “stare decisis,” which basically means, “the decision has been around so long, to change it would create chaos.” That’s all they have now. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stare_decisis)
Danielle:
I really didn’t want to admit that abortionists were gynecologists.
OK, one for the pro-deathers.
His Man:
You do realize that gynecologists do a lot more than just perform abortions (and many gynecologists don’t perform them at all).
It’s amazing how much disrespect you have for a certain field of medicine based on one medical procedure that not all of them perform.
“OK, one for the pro-deathers.”
You do realize that, if we were pro-death, none of us would be here to discuss this, right? Because “pro-death” suggests we just want everybody to drop dead NOW and that would be not nice of us.
I really didn’t want to admit that abortionists were gynecologists.
OK, one for the pro-deathers.
Hisman, can you imagine being a person who protects unborn babies one day, and destroys them the next day? What kind of twisted mind would you have to have to live that way, I wonder? And how do they sleep at night? I just can’t imagine. Very sad stuff.
Rae:
pro 1 (pr)
n. pl. pros
1. An argument or consideration in favor of something: weighing the pros and cons.
2. One who supports a proposal or takes the affirmative side in a debate.
adv.
And I’m sure you know what death is.
Therefore, pro-death simply means that you argue in favor of death in a debate.
Bethany, do you want to understand us at all? Pro-Choice advocates – as you’ve just proven yourself – the right to CHOOSE. Not the right to kill, but the chance to make a DECISION.
Yup, Bethany you’re right. I am pro-death. Now why didn’t I think of that?
And you Bethany are not pro-life, you are pro-fetus, as you care more about a fetus than you do an already born woman. Don’t say “Oh I value life equally”, because you don’t. You have no problem with having women die in order to save their fetuses.
Rae,
I’ve have five kids and I’ve been to probably a few hundred appointments with my wife as a result. You know, I’m kinda one of those meddling husbands who actually participated in our children’s births. In fact, we had one gynecologist who recommended the abortion of our now 10 year old. Boy, I’m sure glad we stopped going to see that murderer.
Because I associated gynecologists as those in the medical profession who try to preserve all life I really did not want to admit to myself that abortionists were gynecologists. Your post, which I think assumes I’m an idiot, made me wake up. Thanks. I will now view all gynecologists as potential murderers until of course, they pass my rigid line of questioning and high moral standards.
Yes, I admit it, there are those in the medical profession who are just in it for the money or just can’t succeed at being real gynecologists, so, they become murderers. I’ll give you that one. Just think, no abortionists, almost no abortions.
I greatly respect gynecologists, as I do all that preserve life, including firemen, policemean, etc., however, I have utter disrespect for all abortionsists as I would any other cowardly murderer. For the record, I hold doctors in no more high esteem then let’s say a school janitor. If that’s what he or she has been called to do, they should be best at it because it glorifies God. I no way does being an abortioninst glorify God. If you’re becoming a doctor for any other reason than to selflessly serve, you’re not called to be a doctor. From your posts that are filled with pride and self-congratulation, it appears your motives are less than altruistic. I feel sorry for you. You are destined to misery. Don’t become a writer either please.
You know, I should have kicked that abortionist’s ass 10 years ago when the word abortion came out of his filthy mouth.
By the way, how’s the weather in Mexico?
“If you’re becoming a doctor for any other reason than to selflessly serve, you’re not called to be a doctor. From your posts that are filled with pride and self-congratulation, it appears your motives are less than altruistic. I feel sorry for you. You are destined to misery. Don’t become a writer either please.”
Oh, could you be a little more judgemental? And don’t talk to me about pride, you seem pretty prideful yourself sitting on that high horse and pretty self-congratulatory of the fact you are so “Christian” and “moral”.
But, since you feel like being combative in that you feel the need to insult my character, I suppose I’ll have to defend myself:
I am becoming a doctor because I want to help people. Not for the money. I’m in it for the challenge of solving puzzles. I’m going into medicine because I have a fascination with human anatomy and illnesses and how to treat said illnesses. My uncle died of cancer over 5 years ago, and from that day forward, I promised myself that I would become a doctor to help other people not to suffer.
How am I destined to misery? Why should I not become a writer (though I never would…not a fan of writing)?
And I wouldn’t know how the weather in Mexico is, I live in Minnesota and it’s quite chilly.
Ingrid,
If we all dropped dead who would make your bed and clean your toilet?
A baby requires at least 8 to 10 years of food, clothing and shelter to be able to do that, so, no wonder you don’t want all of us to die.
Now here’s the rock solid truth of it young lady. ABORTIONISTS ARE MURDERERS. No amount of justification can change that truth.
Bethany, do you want to understand us at all? Pro-Choice advocates – as you’ve just proven yourself – the right to CHOOSE. Not the right to kill, but the chance to make a DECISION.
What decision, Ingrid?
I need a beer now. Seriously.
“Now here’s the rock solid truth of it young lady. ABORTIONISTS ARE MURDERERS. No amount of justification can change that truth.”
If you can’t even call them “doctors” (because they are), you can’t expect me to reply to that. And don’t call me young lady. You’re not my dad (and I’d thank god on my knees for that if I went to church!) so don’t act like that.
ABORTIONISTS ARE MURDERERS. No amount of justification can change that truth.
It’s sad, but true.
“You know, I should have kicked that abortionist’s ass 10 years ago when the word abortion came out of his filthy mouth”
Then you probably would have been charged with assault. Good for you.
What’s this topic about? Anyone remember?
And yes, that was sarcasm.
By the way, I thought that girl did a pretty good job on her Hallmark card poem. Very fitting for this situation above, isn’t it?:
We already agreed that the woman has some weird things going on in her head. And then the discussion somehow got off-topic.
Eh, of course we do.
It’s about trying to sue PP for child care expenses two years after a botched abortion.
Like Amanda said, it was on the woman to go in for a checkup. She also could have given the kid up for adoption after giving birth, but instead she chose to keep it. I think she’s just trying to make a quick buck.
Actually, most low-down scums-of-the-earth just-crawled-out-of-their-spider-hole abortionists are not gynecologists.
So you may yet aspire to be one, Rae, if you fail as a pediatrician, because most low-down scums-of-the-earth just-crawled-out-of-their-spider-hole abortionists are failed practitioners from other fields.
Q: What are the worst six years in an abortionist’s life?
A: Third grade
Q: What do you say to an abortionist in a three piece suit?
A: Will the defendant please rise?
Q: What is the difference between Elvis and a smart abortionist?
A: Elvis has been sighted.
Good job, Ms. Stanek. Really. Nice to read some new insults.
Q: How does an abortionist turn on the light after sex?
A: By opening the car door.
Q: What do you call a beer with a booger in it?
A: An abortionist’s martini.
Come on now, Ingrid, that was funny.
Q: What do UFOs and smart abortionists have in common?
A: You keep hearing about them but never see any.
Yeah. ROFLMAO. Really. Can’t breathe. Tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.
Q: How many abortionists does it take to eat an armadillo?
A: Three – one to eat it and two to watch for cars.
“Actually, most low-down scums-of-the-earth just-crawled-out-of-their-spider-hole abortionists are not gynecologists.
So you may yet aspire to be one, Rae, if you fail as a pediatrician, because most low-down scums-of-the-earth just-crawled-out-of-their-spider-hole abortionists are failed practitioners from other fields.”
You know what Jill? I think it’s mighty interesting hwo you are able to make all the snide, rude comments about us, but when we do it back to you we get our comments deleted and a “scolding”. I must say that it’s getting really old having to see your hypocrisy like this.
LOL!
Ingrid, me, too! Why we DO have something in common! A sense of humor! Does this mean we can be BFF?
Q: Why wouldn’t the abortionist marry the virgin?
A: He figured if she wasn’t good enough for her brothers, who wants her?
Q: What’s red and slimy and climbing up your leg?
A: A homesick abortion.
Two can play at this game, Jill.
The offical motto of abortion country:
“Where the men are men and the sheep are nervous”
Wow,
I go away for a couple of hours…
What’s up?
Where’s all the anger coming from?
Time for another story.
This one is about thinking you understand something and finding out, that well, maybe you had the facts wrong. Not pickin’ sides. Just showin’ how easy it is to be absolutely sure about something only to find out you were wrong.
A woman had been shopping all day and was loaded down with packages and sore feet and mmmm wouldn’t a sandwich hit the spot.
So she turned into a deli. She placed all her packages in a booth, went up to order her sandwich, asked for fries and diet coke.
While waiting for her number to be called, she decided to use the restroom.
When she came out she saw her sandwich on the table waiting for her.
She sat down, salted the fries, put the straw in the coke and got ready to take a bite out of the sandwich when she noticed another woman standing at the table and staring at her. She smiled. The other woman smiled.
The other woman look as tired as she felt, and was even more disheveled that she herself was.
The other woman kept staring at her until finally she sat down in the booth with her. They stared across the table at each other for awhile. Then the other woman tentatively reached out and picked up one of the french fries and ate it. More staring.
The first woman also took a french fry. The second woman stared. The first woman pushed the plate to the center of the table. The other woman took another french fry. More staring.
The first woman gave the other woman half of her sandwich. Then she offered her a sip of coke.
Eventually there was only one french fry left on the plate. You know the french fry I’m talkin’ about…The LAST french fry. They stared alternately at the fry and each other.
Finally, the other woman picked it up, broke it in half and gave have to the first woman, eating the other half herself.
Not one word was spoken.
The other woman wiped her hands off, stood up and without a word, left the Deli.
The first woman felt pretty good about herself. Figured the other woman was probably homeless and now she had a meal all thanks to her.
Except she was still hungry. So she went up and ordered another sandwich.
When she came back to the booth she saw that all of her packages were gone. “AHA, she thought. That other woman was a thief. The whole sandwich thing was just a distraction. She did it so she could steal my purse and packages.”
She turned to the rest of the patrons in the restaurant and yelled…”Did anyone see where that woman went? She stole all my packages. And my purse!!!”
Rae has a sense of humor, too, sick as it may be!
Q: What’s the difference between an abortionist and a catfish?
A: One’s an ugly, smelly, garbage eating bottom feeder, and the other one’s a fish.
A man that was sitting three booths over said “I didn’t see no woman take anything, but there’s a booth back here filled with packages and a purse. They’ve just been sittin’ here for an hour. I just igured somebody left and forgot them…”
Think about it.
mk
MK:
That’s an interesting story. Veddy clever…though I had a general idea of what really happened before the end. :)
Rae,
That was a test. One of my faults is that I can be sarcastic. Sorry.
If you really believe that you are entering medicine to help people and because you enjoy solving puzzles, how about becoming enamored with the miracle of human creation? Now there’e the puzzle of puzzles.
And how does murdering a human life in the womb help anyone? It kills a baby, and the mother, whether she would honestly admit it or not, bears the scar forever.
Someone said I was a Phelp? I have to plead ignorance here, but are those the people that put up those “God Hates F___gs signs”? C’mon, please! I don’t hate homosexuals. I have homosexual friends, and they know where I stand on homosexuality. I would die defending their lives and die being able to tell them the truth about Jesus Christ. No, God doesn’t hate homosexuals, he hates the practice that will destroy them. Loving a homosexual doesn’t mean you agree with their lifestyle knowing that it will lead to their spiritual death.
Someone also said I hit my kids, therefore, I am a Phelp. No, hitting and spanking/switching are quite different. Hitting is done at the bequest of the hitter without concern for the hittee. Spanking and switching are done at the request of the hittee, as they disobeyed authoritical boundaries, for the good of the spankee so they wouldn’t become pro-deathers, anti-God, etc. After time and contemplation of such receipt of discipline, spankees always thanked the dispenser with much gratitude for exercizing the wisdom of the rod of discipline. My kids love their dad. And they don’t go and see a shrink for advice.
My daughter, who I spanked now and then, talks with me about sex, marriage, love, abortion, life, death, God. She tells me about stuff in her life she wouldn’t tell her girlfriends. Her boyfriend loves and repects me because I challenged him to respect my daughter as he may have a daughter some day and he would reap what he sowed. They’re saving themselves and I can’t wait for the day when I walk my virgin daughter down the aisle and give her to this lovely young man. And yes, when they present me with a grandchild, that will be an awesome day. Life is beautiful, if done His way.
Rae, what’s the prob? I was presenting you with a back-up plan! I merely said that if you fail as a pediatrician you can always get a job as an abortionist. Where’s the insult?
Q: How can you tell if the floor of an abortion mill is level?
A: The abortionist drools out of both sides of his mouth.
Jill,
You’re killin’ me here…
I’m ashamed to say that I’m laughing…
mk
It’s an insult that you think just because I’m pro-choice that I’d be an abortionist the first chance I got, I wouldn’t. I have no interest in being an abortionist as I have no interest in gynecological matters.
If being a pediatrician fails (though I probably will go into Internal medicine rather than pediatrics) I’d probably go into teaching or do research.
Jill, ROTFLMBO!!
Rae, I do believe you may be on to something! I wonder, why in the world is it doctors don’t aspire to be abortionists?
Q: Why was the abortionist so excited about finishing her jigsaw puzzle in only six months?
A: Because on the box it said, “From 2-4 Years”
Jill:
Do you know why people don’t want to be “abortionists” (even though they don’t exist…but whatever)? It’s because they have to deal with people every day screaming at them, throwing things at them, calling them “murderers” and that they will burn in Hell for doing their job.
It’s also not exactly a glamorous job, nor is it exactly difficult, it’s not exactly an accomplishment to be able to perform abortions.
It is Holy Thursday. The night the Lord instituted the Eucharist and the Priesthood. The night He celebrated passover and broke bread with his friends.
The night of the new covenant.
One would betray Him.
I am off to mass.
I leave you with this thought from Bishop Fulton Sheen.
” THE CHRIST WHO SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE SIGNED PILATE’S DEATH WARRANT; IT WAS NOT PILATE WHO SIGNED CHRIST’S.”
“THE BALD FACT THE ENEMIES OF GOD MUST FACE IS THAT MODERN CIVILIZATION HAS CONQUERED THE WORLD, BUT IN DOING SO HAS LOST ITS SOUL.”
I THIRST.
MK
MK,
Let’s be thankful that we can all freely celibrate Easter in this America we now live in.
Let’s pray that God spares America from the coming judgement that will surely come save for His people repenting of and outlawing abortion.
Besides, it’s not up to the pro-deathers, it’s up to us, His people, you and me, who are called by His Name, to defeat abortion.
Happy Resurrection Day.
MK,
Gotta disagree with you on Bishop Sheen’s statement.
Ddin’t God sign Christ’s death warrant. God crucified Jesus for our sins, therefore, we are all culpable. No? Wasn’t it the Father who turned His back on Jesus when He became sin for us?
Jesus said that no man takes His life but that He gave it up of His own volition. So, it was not any man’s decision. Granted, I wouldn’t want to be Pilate at this moment. No, not so much because he is already dead but because he faces such a horrific future after the second death.
Talk later sister in Christ. God Bless.
Pro-deathers, don’t for a New York minute see this as an opportunity, because MK and I still think abortion is murder. Theological debate is healthy and I am sure MK will correct me.
Jesus knew what he was meant to do. He asked to be relieved of His burden only if God willed it. He could have saved Himself, but instead followed the path God had laid out for Him.
And wasnt it Pilate truly passed no punishment? I thought he just gave Jesus up to the mob, saying his hands were clean of Jesus? Or maybe it varies a bit according to each gospel?
Stephanie:
Assault? Wow, it’s amazing that a pro-deather can use the word assault in a sentence and type on a keybiord at the same time. I can hear the meniacal laughter and shrill screams emanating off my compuer screen. I mean they don’t even know what the word means so how can a pro-deaterh seriously use teh word assualt?
No, kicking that doctor’s ass would have been the manly thing to do. Someday, my hope is that kicking a cowardly abortionist’s ass will not only be fully protected right of a father but of any real man. What’s amazing is that I wouldn’t be charged with murder for particpating and allowing my wife to have an abortion and to have some wimp-ass, wash-out doctor kill and assualt my baby. Man, what twisted logic.
Abortionist gynecologists….beware…you don’t know where I live and what I may do if you just utter the word abortion….so, think twice and be afraid, very, very afraid. Or, just take Tae-Kwondo or something. No, I’d still kick your ass.
that couldnt be construed as a threat at all, nope.
Thats pretty ridiculous HM, he/she is just doing his/her job. Thats like saying youd kick a teachers ass for teaching something you dont like or agree with
What happened to freedom of speech His Man? Now someone can’t even say the word abortion without you threatening to kick their ass? Last time I checked assault was illegal, abortion is not.
Dan,
Jesus said you are either for Him or against Him. To be neutral was to be against Him.
Besides, the mob could do nothing apart from Pilate’s action or lack thereof.
With the Truth standing right in front of him, he still asked the question, “What is truth”? Perhaps that was a loving Father’s only chance at rescuing Pilate from perdition, however, it seems that he didn’t see it. Even Pilate’s wife warned him.
We are all faced with the same question. What is truth?
The answer is all around us, in creation, in love, in the womb, in a newborn’s face. in Him, Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith.
and by that I’m implying evolution, as it would be considered blasphemous by some Christians, and as all sins are equal and breaks a commandment, you would/should be just as angry.
Oh, I have faith in Jesus Christ, no question.
Its the Bible I have issues with, an immense difference.
Hey Jill, How many right-to-lifers does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. One to write to congress, one to pray for light, and one to go shoot the local electrician.
SOMG: I don’t care what they say, I like you!
LOL good joke
SOMG: FTW!
abortion
abortion
abortion
I dare you to come “kick my ass” you hateful, bitter, child abusing coward.
and Jill – are you still going to call threats of violence “a service”?
Hey Rae, you have a greater chance of being killed in high school than by an evil pro-lifer. And the people usually screaming at abortionists are women whose uteruses they’ve just punctured, or their drug connection demanding payment.
Q: What’s black and brown and looks great on an abortionist?
A: A Doberman
Hey Dan, speaking of Pontius Pilate, he was the original pro-choicer.
I didn’t say I was going to get killed, I said it’s not a pleasant job to have and I don’t want that for my job.
And man, I’m sooooo glad I made it out of high school alive!
I didn’t realize “abortionists” were drug addicts…where is that statistic Jill?
Nope, Jesus =/= fetus at all. not even close.
And Amanda… “abortion, abortion, abortion” ??
Are you sticking out your tongue, too, going, “nyahhhh” ??
Rofll…
Dan, Pontius Pilate said basically, “This is an innocent man. I don’t like the fact that you want to kill him. But I don’t want to interfere with your right to choose.”
When did gynecologist become drug addicts?
That’s a very sweeping generalization Jill, very unfair.
Kate, I’ve already explained that abortionists don’t have to be gynecologists. They’re very often bottom feeding failures from other medical disciplines.
No Jill… simply responding to this violent threat made by HisMan:
(and you know perfectly well if any of the pro choicers who post here had made this thread, you would have deleted it, banned them, and probably notified authorities.)
“beware…you don’t know where I live and what I may do if you just utter the word abortion….so, think twice and be afraid, very, very afraid. Or, just take Tae-Kwondo or something. No, I’d still kick your ass.”
So classy…and so obviously Christian.
Oh wait…
And where are the statistics of that little tid-bit of information Jill?
No, he may have been selfish in his actions (preferring not to be ripped apart by an unruly mob) but he hadnt wanted Jesus to die.
Doesn’t matter, Dan…he still made that choice.
Did his sad feelings make it ok?
Self preservation. If you had to choose between the death of two people, yourself and the other, or just the death of the other in ancient Rome, would you not also have fallen to the temptation? Very few followed Jesus at this point, and He had little support in Jerusalem aside from the Twelve.
Also, God/Jesus knew what was going to happen. Either could have stopped it, however they needed Pilate so that sin could be overcome. Quite simply, he was used to save the rest of the world from sin.
Dan, Pilate was against Jesus being put to death.
Correlation: “safe, legal, and rare.”
But he washed his hands of the situation and let the killers have their way.
Correlation: “pro-choice”
putting anyone to death at that time was nowhere near rare. They killed people for entertainment at times, theres no correlation
“Dan, Pilate was against Jesus being put to death.
Correlation: “safe, legal, and rare.”
But he washed his hands of the situation and let the killers have their way.
Correlation: “pro-choice” ”
Wow Jill, your logic astounds me.
Dan, Pilate was clearly troubled that the mob called for the death of Jesus. But he let them have their “choice” anyway:
21″Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor. “Barabbas,” they answered.
22″What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify him!”
23″Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”
24When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
25All the people answered, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!”
Regardless of your explaination that “abortionists” are “bottom-feeders” and failures of other medical fields Jill, I fail to see how, even if this were true, this would make them drug addicts by default???
Jill, imagine it were you against a mob of lets say at least hundreds of people, calling for the death of a man you really had no connections with. Now, are you going to die for the person you dont know, who most likely will then die after you? Or would you just try and escape with your life?
Dan it’s a great correlation, in the ways she just described. Honestly, I think it makes absolute sense.
also, Jesus = man (well, at least partly) = rights in the Roman empire. Justice wasnt nearly assured in the Roman empire at all. If someone murdered a family member, you tried to find out who it was and take revenge on them. It was up to the people to take care of their own manners. You were robbed? your fault, find the thief yourself. Raped? once again, the woman was more dishonored than the man.
Jill, imagine it were you against a mob of lets say at least hundreds of people, calling for the death of a man you really had no connections with. Now, are you going to die for the person you dont know, who most likely will then die after you? Or would you just try and escape with your life?
How does that change the fact that the choice was wrong?
The fact that we can sympathize with pilate makes it ok that he allowed Jesus to be crucified?
No, it makes him HUMAN. He served his purpose by following self preservation. You forget Jesus had to die, God made sure he’d go to a man who would let him be killed, i.e. Pilate.
also, Jesus = man (well, at least partly) = rights in the Roman empire. Justice wasnt nearly assured in the Roman empire at all. If someone murdered a family member, you tried to find out who it was and take revenge on them. It was up to the people to take care of their own manners. You were robbed? your fault, find the thief yourself. Raped? once again, the woman was more dishonored than the man.
Dan, you’re waaaaay overthinking this. It’s just a simple analogy.
Let me ask this question to the pro choice people. I went to see my OBGYN today. I am in my 9th month of pregnancy. He ordered an ultrasound.His exact words to me were “I need to take a look at the baby.Not parasite,not fetus.Baby.Why do you suppose this was?
analogies are supposed to work if it is compared to the whole situation/context. This one does not.
I consider a fetus after 7 months a “baby”.
Dan,not good enough!Next!
Rae,He was calling it a baby in my 4th month.Have you ever heard of the Cleveland Clinic? This is where he practices.
Dan, the analogy is perfect. There is nothing new under the sun, don’t forget. Pilate had the authority to save Jesus’ life. He didn’t for political reasons. He didn’t because he didn’t care enough. He didn’t because he was a coward. He didn’t because Jesus became inconvenient.
All reasons for being “pro-choice.”
mom, maybe its because he knew you were going to have the child. theres double standards rampant everywhere, so it wouldnt surprise me. does it make him medically accurate? Not really. Make him appealing to you as a doctor? Yup.
For every Ob-Gyn that calls a fetus a baby, there is one that calls a fetus a fetus.
You say baby, I say fetus. Ob-Gyns are people too
What is your point?
Hey Mom, can you scan your ultrasound photo and email it to me? I’ll post it on the blog! Our first blog baby!
momof3: Good for your obstetrician, but the term “baby” usually implies emotional attachment, and since you were obviously keeping your pregnancy he probably felt no need to call it a fetus and call it a baby instead.
*shrugs*
“When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting”
that is where self preservation kicks in. That is where he tries to save his own life. It had nothing to do with Jesus being inconvenient, but posing a signifcant health risk to himself. Looks like that fits into the 1% of abortions for saving life. woops. Not to mention, it didnt just save his earthly body, but the souls of billions/trillions of people
No, it makes him HUMAN. He served his purpose by following self preservation. You forget Jesus had to die, God made sure he’d go to a man who would let him be killed, i.e. Pilate.
Yes, I agree with you. Jesus did have to die. And it was part of His plan. Regardless, that doesn’t make Pilate any more “right” in doing what he did than it made Pharoah right for keeping the Israelites enslaved all those years. Pharoah was still wrong for that even though it worked out to fulfill God’s plan. Pharoah was still in the wrong.
It doesn’t make it any more “right” that Joseph’s brothers sold him into slavery…God used that for a great purpose- to save thousands of lives from famine. But it was still wrong when they sold him into slavery.
Do you understand where I’m coming from?
Not to mention, it didnt just save his earthly body, but the souls of billions/trillions of people
Ahem, Pilate is not our Saviour. Jesus is.
It had nothing to do with Jesus being inconvenient, but posing a signifcant health risk to himself.
Well, Pilate risked a lot more than his health by giving Jesus up on the cross.
And by the way, Judas was the one who betrayed Jesus. Judas HAD to betray Jesus in order for Jesus to die for our sins.
However, what does the Bible say about that? Does it say that Judas did what he had to, so it was ok?
“He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, he shall betray me. The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him….but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man, if he had not been born…”
Yes Jill,I will.Even if you guys really think that he was calling the baby a baby just because I wasn’t going to abort,I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER heard of a doctor calling a baby a parasite. Never Ever!!! Do abortionists refer to babies as such? I wouldn’t know.
As long as you were telling jokes earlier Jill……….
QUESTION: How many church people does it take to change a lightbulb?
Charismatics: Only one. Hands are already in the air.
Roman Catholics: None. They use candles.
Pentecostals: Ten. One to change the light bulb, and nine to pray against the spirit of darkness.
Presbyterians: None. God has predestined when the lights will be on and off.
Episcopalians: Eight. One to call the electrician, and seven to say how much better they liked the old bulb.
Mormons: Five. One man to change the bulb, and four wives to tell him how to do it.
Unitarians: We chose not to make a statement either in favor of or against the light bulb. However, if you have found in your own journey that light bulbs work for you, that is fine. You are invited to write a poem or compose a modern dance about your personal relationship with your light bulb and present it next month at our annual l light bulb Sunday service in which we will explore a number of light bulb traditions, including incandescent, fluorescent, three-way, long-life, and tinted, all of which are equally valid paths to luminescence.
Baptists: At least fifteen. One to change the light bulb, five or six professors to search the Bible for authorization and then two or three committees to approve the change. Oh, and some faithful women to make a casserole.
Lutherans: None. Lutherans don’t believe in change.
Methodists: A whole congregation. One to change the light bulb, and the rest of the congregation to be sure that he doesn’t backslide.
Dan, you do not understand. Pilate was the governor, the representative of Rome. He had the power of the Roman army around him. He was in no physical danger.
And you seem to think Pilate was a robot God chose to enable Jesus to die and fulfill His plan. That’s not how God works. Pilate had free will.
You do not like the thought you are no different than Pontius Pilate, Dan, that is all. But you are no different. You see innocent people being killed. You think it’s wrong. But you’re washing your hands of the matter.
momof3, I would really be concerned with whether a doctor was legitimate or not, if I heard a term like “parasite” come out of their mouth to describe an unborn child.
The doctors who consoled me on my miscarriage (which happened when I was 9 weeks pregnant and my baby had died at 6 weeks), referred to my baby as “baby”, and gave me pamphlets which gave me much comfort. Almost every line of the pamphlets were filled with the word, “baby”, or “your child”.
I never denied Jesus as the Savior, but had Pilate keep him alive, He wouldnt have been able to save us as easily. Everything had to mesh, which included Pilate. As for risking more than his health, he wasnt really aware of this.
I have various thoughs on Judas. I agree he certainly faced horrible punishment after death, but Im unsure as to whether or not he will be damned for eternity; but once again thats a personal belief. Judas was required to betray him to get things going, just as Pilate was required to let him die.
and mom, they typically aren’t, it just happens to be a biological truth that they could be called parasites if you wanted to.
JK those are funny.
JK, hello. Good joke! Have heard it before. Very true!
As for risking more than his health, he wasnt really aware of this.
He knew:
7The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
8When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;
9And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.
10Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
11Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
12And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar’s friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
“Dan, you do not understand. Pilate was the governor, the representative of Rome. He had the power of the Roman army around him. He was in no physical danger.”
And where was the Roman army? they certainly werent in the court house quieting the mob. In fact, I believe they were a part of it if Im not mistaken
“And you seem to think Pilate was a robot God chose to enable Jesus to die and fulfill His plan. That’s not how God works. Pilate had free will.”
He knew what Pilate was going to do, otherwise Jesus may not have died and God would have had to go back to the drawing board, and seeing as how that doesnt happen, it makes sense He knew what was going to happen.
Yes Bethany.I honestly have never heard of an unborn child being described this way.Coming here has taught me a thing or 2.Even in my first month of pregnancy,nobody,and I mean NOBODY,ever said a word about a parasite.Had they done so,I would have asked them “What in the hell are you talking about?”
Nobody said a fetus/embryo was a parasite, at least I don’t. At the very most it’s parasite-LIKE, as in it has some parasitic qualities, but it’s not exactly a parasite.
Ya JK,I liked those as well!
Dan, the mob was strictly Jews.
Yes, God knew what Pilate was going to do. But He didn’t make him do it. Pilate had free will. Pilate could have, at that moment, done the right thing and said no to crucifying Jesus. None of know what would have happened next. God’s plan was indeed to give His sinless Son to die for our sins to enable us to get to heaven. The route would just have changed.
We can say no to sin, Dan. Pilate could have said no to putting to death that innocent man and had a different place in history.
But he didn’t He was on the wrong side of history, as are you.
Jill, the history has yet to be written. To claim who is or is not on the right side now is ludicrous. It will still be decades before true judgment is passed upon this time period, if not longer.
And Pilate was Roman. the Jews wernt the only ones who wanted him dead. He had been seen as a threat to power and tradition in the past, this wasnt the first time, nor is it the last where Jesus and His followers are seen as a threat to balances within empires.
also, as an add on, abortion was legal before Roe V Wade, or at least some states allowed it. Roe V Wade overturned would typically just leave it up to the states again I would assume, at which point people who want abortions may just cross state lines.
Dan, you’re getting lost in minutiae on the Pilate analogy.
Dan, rest assured, the pro-abortion movement will go down in history as a travesty. If you stick to your position, you will be to your descendants as supporters of slavery were and are to their descendants – a source of shame.
But there’s still time.
Ummmmm. Mom of 3, did your OB/GYN say WHY he wanted to do an ultrasound?
Just wondering.
Jill, not all slave owners went down in history as a source of shame, look at the founding fathers for one.
And it is highly unlikely a constitutional amendment will be passed to completely ban abortion, which is what would be required. Until 3/4 of the states are willing to ratify such an amendment, abortion will most likely be legal somewhere.
SOMG,because the baby measured a bit small.I am very tall,and for 9 months pregnant I barely show.
Also, I highly doubt my descendants will find out my political views unless feelings somehow changes very quickly. Even so, if Roe v Wade is overturned, as I said, it will be left to the states to decide once again, and people will just cross state lines. And it would take years to get an amendment written, proposed, etc, and then more time to get it ratified by 3/4 of the states, which is not likely to happen anytime in the near future. Too many liberals out there.
Sorry, Dan, I changed slave owners to supporters of slavery…. But that part of them is a source of shame, Dan.
And I’m not talking about Roe v. Wade or constitutional amendments or how all this will end, Dan. I’m talking about YOU. And ME. All of us as individuals. What are we doing about this?
PS-The baby is fine though.She’s 7lbs.8oz.
Do about abortion? Nothing, its legal, and should be. The government has no right to force the mother to risk her life.
momof3: My mom was pretty tall as well, but at 9 months she barely looked 5-6 months pregnant because she had gall bladder problems and was unable to eat much more than cereal and fruit.
*shrugs*
lmfao Rae, NICE.
you see the family guy episode where they want to potty train stewie?
“the most popular selection is everybody poops”
Peter: “Uhh, Im christian”
“Oh, then you want your evil and thats concentrated evil coming out your backend”
Rae, sorry, had to delete it. Very funny but too many swear words.
Rae,with all due respect,you lost me.I was answering SOMG’s ?.
Awwww…it got delet0rated.
momof3: I was just commenting because you said you were 9 months pregnant and were measuring small, I was just telling you that that was the case with my mom as well. *shrugs*
Woo for Easter, lol.
Its amazing what gets adapted from other religions
Easter bunny anyone? XD
Oh,sorry Rae.Believe it or not I was just going to check out your artwork.I spotted the site you gave Bethany.
How tall are you momof3?, just curious
JK,6 feet exactly.
Did you play basketball in school or anything? volleyball maybe?
Momof3-
1. no one would ever call a fetus OR a baby a parasite. They may say it has parasite-like qualities – which it does, but under no circumstances would it be CALLED a parasite.
2. Your OB called it your baby because it IS your baby. Fetus is a scientific term – for use in medical journals, and in debate, where it differentiates between born and unborn. Baby is NOT a technical term, infact, it would be infant – which refers only to a born being. So of course, all medical professionals use the word “baby” when talking to their patients. I say “your baby” all the time when I talk to my patients. But if Im writing an article, a paper, a journal – etc, I use fetus – because its the proper term.
3. I was 7lbs 8oz when I was born. That was in 1982, but at the time they told my mom that was exactly average birthweight. Not too big, not too small. Cant get much better than that. Congratulations in advance, since Im sure you wont be posting much once you’ve brought the baby home.
Jill-
The fact that the abortion ban in SD failed – one of the most conservative pro life states in the country – was pretty much solid proof that Americans would never support a ban that prevented victims of rape and incest from having abortions. If you leave even just that one exception, it makes it impossible to overturn Roe V Wade. So while its possible that individual states may continue to add restrictive legislature, the basic right to abortion will remain. Even if every conservative state in the U.S banned it, people would just flock to New York, Massachusetts, California, and other states where abortion would never be banned.
No JK.Sports were never my cup of tea.I really don’t have an athletic build.My bone structure is rather small.Believe it or not,I was an equestrian for some time.
Do you know what assault means, His Man? It means you have attacked someone or have threatened to attack someone in a violent, aggressive manner. Even if you are blazing with righteous fury, it is unlawful. So yes, kicking a doctor
I was 7lbs 11oz when I was born.
My little brother Brady was 7lbs 9oz.
My youngest brother Matthew was 10lbs 4oz.
I feel so bad for my mom about Matt…that had to HURT. ‘specially because she chose not to have an epidural nor did she do lamaze. She went completely without pain meds for all 3 kids.
I think I was about 7lbs. 2oz. when I was born. My cousin weighed 10 lbs. lol
When are you due momof3?
Hey Jill,
I have a question for you. What proof do you have that this women did not use “a rubber” or any other form of birth control? Or are you unaware that women can get pregnant when they are using birth control? I realize this is not the point of your post, but I was just curious.
Due date 4-26,but I’m real sure Don’t think I’ll make it that far.Had membranes stripped today.Ouch!
Well,goodnight all.Goin to get some sleep.Long day.
Congratulations! I hope all goes well. p.s. you might have to change your internet handle.
Amanda,
Why do you want me to come kick your ass? Did you threaten one of my children in the womb?
Sorry, can’t have any more kids, my wife is in menopuase. However, my kids are just starting that process. Now, please don’t tell me you’re going to mess with them because I wouldn’t have to kick your ass, my wife would be more than happy to do that for me. Just let us know.
Child abuser? Let’s see, Son 1) Loves God, Pro-life. Air Force Academy graduate, Rugby player, AF Captain, pilots an E-8 in the Middle East hunting terrorists like Osama bin Laden Son 2) Loves God, Pro-life. Bible Major, Youth Ministry graduate, heads up high school youth group at his church helping kids whose parents are too busy getting high, runs a company. He and I will together in the pit of the west coast LeMans next weekend as race sponsors. (He races STIs and I race Corvettes) Son 3) Loves God, Pro-life. Overcame major childhood disease, superb football, track and basketball athlete recruited by over 100 Div. 1 schools to play college football, in fact, was teamate to succesful NFL player. Attended major university on academic scholarship. Soon to be May/07 Engineering graduate who already has a job with a Fortune 500 company. Daughter 4) Oh, now she’s the apple of my eye. Loves God. Really, really pro-life, I mean bulldog pro-life. State and National Champion Cheer Leader, State Champion track star. Absolutely beautiful. Soon to graduate from High School and wants to be a teacher at the Christian High School she attended. Her boyfriend is awesome, big, handsome, Loves God, Pro-life. Father is COO of major corporation. And then there’s Son 5) My ten year old who the doctors wanted to abort. Almost through three football seasons, 18 games, 40 rushing touchdowns, 10 passing touchdowns. Charismatic, handsome, fast as lighting. Wants to be a world evangelsit who will bring hellfire and brimstone down on the aborion industry. I think he’ll do it because I’m on my knees most days asking God to fill him with His Spirit.
If that’s what I get for being a child abuser, I plead guilty. No, its what a father gets when at the young age of 23 he accepts Christ totally and then gets blessed for doing the best job he could at being obedient as a husband and faterh, no not perfect, but always trying, neer giving up. My God reigns. And apart from Him I can do nothing, He gets all the Glory, praise you Jesus, my Lord and Savior.
Amanda, I really have to thank you. What you did for me is force me to count my blesings tonight. Wow, has He blessed me, my cup runneth over. Come Lord Jesus.
First of all – You said if anyone said abortion, you’d kick their ass. I said abortion.
Second of all, is giving me a resume of your kids accomplishments supposed to make me think your behavior was any less abusive? I know a LOT of children and adults who’ve come from horribly abusive families and gone on to be just as, if not more successful than your children. The fact that they’ve done fine doesn’t mean hitting them isn’t abuse. Beg to differ? Lets ask a police officer, shall we? Jill and I had a lengthy discussion about mandatory reporting laws. Guess what a mandatory reporting offense is? Finding out a child has been struck. That would be *drumroll please* CHILD ABUSE.
Im glad your kids have done well. Thats a relief, I only hope your violent, angry, hateful, bitter outlook on life isnt genetic or contagious.
Stephanie:
You’re right. I’m stark raving mad because I’m adamantly pro-life, not afraid to stand up to the likes of you, disciplined my children, and would stand against the slaying of an innocent child in the womb. If that makes me stark raving mad in your world, so be it. I have to assume the definition of sanity in your world is pro-death, pro-homosexual, anti-God, and politically correct?
No, maybe I should just let the baby be born contrary to the doctor’s advice and then sue the doctor for wrongful life?
His Man: What is so wrong with being pro-homosexual. You claim that you have homosexual friends and you claim that you love them, yet here you are, behaving like homosexuality is a bad thing. I’m very confused.
HisMan,
Ddin’t God sign Christ’s death warrant.
First I assume we agree that God and Christ are the same person, right?
Second the point is that while it appeared as if Pilate was sentencing Jesus to death, in actuality, when Pilate signed the death warrant, he also signed his own. So Jesus sentenced Pilate to death. You see?
mk
Woah…how can Jesus be his own dad? Christianity is trippy.
*wonders off to watch MASH*
Amanda, if you think you can intimidate me in trypical liberal fashion, go ahead Amanda, make my day. Check with your attorney first before I end up owning everything you have and then donating it to a pro-life cause. Now that would be a hoot.
Give it your best shot because I’d be willing to spend every last dime I have making a Supreme Court case out of it, you liberal baby-killer. I’m willing to die for what I believe in.
Pro-deathers like you are the ultimate child abusers and have the gall to call a father who diciplines his children in love and for their benefit, a child abuser. Now if that isn’t the definiton of perverted thinking I don’t know what is.
And in any case you didn’t notice I didn’t take any credit for my kids’ success. But again, all you pro-deathers read what you want to read and hear what you want to hear because frankly, I think most you are all insane and obsessed with murder especially if it promotes your views of women’s rights.
By the way, if my ten year old ever lies to us, steals, or cheats, or is disrepectful, he’s gonna get spanked and switched. And, I’d bet my life that he would never, ever kill an unborn baby, because He will have learned that there is a real, loving, and holy Heavenly Father who will hold him accountable for his actions in this life. Something your parents apparently failed to teach you.
You know all of that “liberal baby-killer” stuff is incredibly rude and uncalled for. What is your problem? For all that is good and… ugh. I give up, you’re impossible.
Ummmmm. Mom of 3, did your OB/GYN say WHY he wanted to do an ultrasound?>/i>
Just wondering.
You’re probably just wondering who got stuck paying for it.
Wow…you guys are really cranky tonight.
Rae,
Now, at risk of taking you seriously, I’ll attempt to answer your question regarding homosexuality.
However, please cut the disrespect of Jesus. Have you ever heard of the Trinity composed of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
I have friends and realtives that do other immoral things as well. I don’t condone their behavior, however, I don’t hate them for doing the things they do. And I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t admit to doing some immoral stuff too. Make promises I can’t keep, overspending, overeating, etc., all sins. However, the difference is I don’t think these things are right and I fight or engage in teh battle to not do them again, I confess, and really, really try to not make this stuff a habit. After all, the Christian walk is a battle not a pleasant walk through the park. Participating in this blog battling all the pro-deathers’ opposing views against God and Jesus, and being accused of being a child abuser are evidence of that.
Believe it or not I don’t hate abortionists either. I have numerous relatives, male and female that have either committed or promoted abortions. I still love them. But, for one minute, I will not ever have them believe that what they did was OK or right and without consequences.
Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. I make a choice to believe that the Bible is correct or I, like many of the pro-aborts on this site, could have chosen to deny that the Bible is God’s Word or simply that God and Jesus do not exist. Homosexuality is a life-style. It is the practice of sinning and therefore, if you live it, it’s unforgiveable unless repented of. See Hebrews the 10th Chapter. Same would be true for a spouse who committed adultery as a lifestyle and never sought forgiveness. Hope this helps you.
Why do you think homosexuality is a life style though? Why would anybody choose to be homosexual? Why would anybody choose a lifestyle that causes them to be beaten, insulted or even murdered for?
I have heard of the trinity, I was raised Catholic afterall, but I never understood how God could be his own Son and vice versa. Neither my mom nor my religion teachers were ever able to explain it to me.
*shrugs*
Why do you see Christianity as a battle? Do you see yourself as a Christian Soldier? Why do you feel Christianity is the only correct worldview?
Rae,
Why do you think homosexuality is a life style though? Why would anybody choose to be homosexual? Why would anybody choose a lifestyle that causes them to be beaten, insulted or even murdered for?
You should have been here for the “they’ll soon be able to find and remove the gene that causes homosexuality” page…
You can probably still find it. It was in March.
Man, that one lasted forever…
mk
Rae,
Didn’t you ever hear St Patricks explanation of the trinity? The one about the shamrock?
mk
Rae,
What would you call a pro-death, anti-Christian, pro-homosexual, pro-abortion person?
I mean they are liberal and they kill babies. I know, let’s change the definition of liberal, and redefine what a human being in the womb is.
OK, they are enlightened fetus terminators? Is that acceptable? Or how about, high intelligence, pre-born life interrupters? Or, I know, blob tissue reclamation specialists. Or how about bio-tech life decision executives? Or let’s say fetal fate outcome managers? Or don’t we describe people by what they do anymore? Has George Orwell left the building or is he just arriving? They kill babies and they are liberal. So, what’s rude about calling them what they are? And, why do they not like being called that? Now I’m confused.
A rose by any other name is still a rose……
It’s inappropriate because I have not killed any babies. I’m not even going to try going into any of the other things because I’ve been over them a million times and you still don’t care.
But I dare say, you are being very judgmental for a Christian who allegedly believes that only God is able to judge.
MK:
No, I have not heard that story, care to share it with me?
His Man,
“I’m stark raving mad because I’m adamantly pro-life, not afraid to stand up to the likes of you, disciplined my children, and would stand against the slaying of an innocent child in the womb.”
Uhh…no. You’re stark raving mad because you believe an assault on someone who said something you didn’t like should be legal.
The other stuff you said is perfectly sane.
“I have to assume the definition of sanity in your world is pro-death, pro-homosexual, anti-God, and politically correct?”
Assuming makes an ass of you and me. Don’t be an ass.
“No, maybe I should just let the baby be born contrary to the doctor’s advice and then sue the doctor for wrongful life?”
…What? This doesn’t even make any sense.
Rae,
You may have not killed any babies, however, if I am pro-baby killing I might as well be the one killing the baby. Sorry, on issues like this, taking a stand with abortionists makes you partners with the deed. If I see somebody being assaulted and I do nothing, what does that make me? A coward at best perhaps, but, just as guilty as the one who did the assaulting, for I withheld the power given me to make a difference and choose to do good.
If someone kills a baby I make a judgement that a baby was killed. Is that judgement in the biblical sense or a statement of fact? If however, I make a statement that you, Rae, an individual, is going to hell, that’s improper judgement because I do not know all. However, to repeat what the Bible teaches that if a person rejects Christ, he or she is lost, that’s not judgement, that’s merely speaking God’s Word which I am commanded to do. Please get understanding.
Proverbs 4:7
Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, [ Or Whatever else you get ] get understanding.
Proverbs 7:4
Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,” and call understanding your kinsman;
Proverbs 8:5
You who are simple, gain prudence; you who are foolish, gain understanding.
Proverbs 8:14
Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have understanding and power.
Proverbs 9:6
Leave your simple ways and you will live; walk in the way of understanding.
Proverbs 9:10 (Whole Chapter)
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Answers to questions on the Trinity? That’s a book.
Steph:
How is the murder of a child in the womb not an assault in the first degree? Sorry, anyone messes with my family, they mess with me, legal or ot legal. Someone wants to kill their own child or support that decision, well, they can deal with that on their own. However, I will speak against it in the strongest of terms.
I assumed you knew what the overall discussion was about. Go to the beginning, then you’ll hopefully get the sarcastic conclusion to my last post. I don’t expect pro-aborts to ever be thorough in their thinking, so, you get a pass.
His Man,
Assuming that your wife agreed to the abortion, abortion is not assault on the fetus. Abortion is a legal act, assault is not.
You’re acting like the doctor was forcing your wife to have an abortion. He was not. You were saying specifically that if a doctor ever said the word “abortion” to you, you’d kick his ass. That is assault, even if you feel it was justified.
And is there really a need to insult me? I know it’s hard for you to refrain from your angry, hateful remarks, but I’d like you to try.
Steph:
Many doctors don’t do abortions or advise their patients to have one.
The doctor in question thought nothing of telling my wife she should have an abortion. And, he would have been glad to do it.
To me, another man being willing to kill my baby in the womb is no different than some guy putting a gun to my ten year old’s head, whether or not my wife approved of it. I’m gonna deal with him and he would lose. Can you see someone messing with my child as being an insult or not? Why is this so hard for you to understand? And, it was my baby as much as my wife’s and some day, men will have more say in the matter. Seems to me, that you see a big difference between a baby in the womb and a child that has been born. I don’t and I’m sorry if that insults you.
For that reason, to me, pro-deathers are murderers.
“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.”
Amanda, 4/5, 9:53p, said: “The fact that the abortion ban in SD failed – one of the most conservative pro life states in the country – was pretty much solid proof that Americans would never support a ban that prevented victims of rape and incest from having abortions. If you leave even just that one exception, it makes it impossible to overturn Roe V Wade. So while its possible that individual states may continue to add restrictive legislature, the basic right to abortion will remain. Even if every conservative state in the U.S banned it, people would just flock to New York, Massachusetts, California, and other states where abortion would never be banned.”
1) Amanda, I found it incredible that 46% of SD voters voted for a complete ban on abortion. That huge number, albeit less than what was needed, said one of two things: a) focus hard on education and get just 4-5% more to vote for a complete ban and claim victory; b) take it as an indication Americans would not support a complete ban and go for a ban with a rape/incest exception.
2) Roe v. Wade was a lawsuit asking whether a state could say abortion was legal or not. The Supreme Court determined no, a state could not outlaw abortion for the first trimester. On the very same day the Supremes handed down the Doe v. Bolton decision that legalized abortion for the second and third trimester for health of the mother, which was very loosely defined to basically authorize abortion on demand. Rape/incest was not a part of those decisions. Overturning those decisions would simply revert the abortion question back to the 50 states.
3) Yes, unless a Human Rights Amendment is added to the Constitution, which would wipe out legal abortions in the US, there will likely be liberal states allowing abortion for quite some time. And, yes, some women will flock to those states. But statistics show where there are no abortion mills, there are way, way fewer women in that area aborting. So overturning Roe v. Wade would have a huge impact on the # of abortions in the US.
Jana, 4/5, 10:09p, asked: “What proof do you have that this women did not use ‘a rubber’ or any other form of birth control? Or are you unaware that women can get pregnant when they are using birth control? I realize this is not the point of your post, but I was just curious.”
Jana, I didn’t say that. I was just quoting from the pro-abort blog.
And yes, I’m aware women get pregnant on bc. Guttmacher stats from 5/06 were:
“Fifty-four percent of women having abortions used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use.” (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html).
This exposes the truth about contraception. As it has become more widely used, abortions have increased. Makes total sense. The liberal solution is to educate more. But they’ve had over 40 years to do that, and matters have only grown worse. That makes sense, too. What they’ve actually done is titilate kids to have sex.
Now we don’t have just unplanned pregnancies to deal with but skyrocketing STDs, the strains of which are becoming more difficult to control, and some of which are incurable.
Don’t know when people will wake up to this classic definition of insanity.
Rae, 4/5, 11:52p, said: “Why would anybody choose to be homosexual? Why would anybody choose a lifestyle that causes them to be beaten, insulted or even murdered for?”
MK, 4/5, 11:56p, responded: “You should have been here for the “they’ll soon be able to find and remove the gene that causes homosexuality” page… You can probably still find it. It was in March. Man, that one lasted forever…”
Yes, there were three posts on that topic:
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/03/abort_gay_babie.html
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/03/new_stanek_wnd_13.html
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/03/biotech_babies.html
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Benjamin Franklin
Good morning everyone.To add on to what Jill said.Of the women that I personally know who have had abortions,most weren’t using anything.The abortion clnic was their BC.
PS. Don’t forgt,Norma McCorvey[Roe] is pro-life.
I’m sure that those women were well educated on how to use their birth control as well.
I don’t know anyone personally who does not know how to use birth control correctly. Even though for some reason, when we mention birth control failing, people keep trying to say if they were more educated about how to use it, there would be less abortions. Honestly, I’d be really surprised if I found anyone over the age of 17 who didn’t know how to use birth control pills correctly.
Speaking of birth control pills, I oppose them also, since I found out that they can cause women to miscarry an already conceived baby as the third function of the pill. If any information needs to be added to the education about using pills, it needs to be the information about how the pill actually works.
Misleading women, many who are pro-life, to take a pill that causes their body to abort their own baby before their body knows it’s there, is deceitful and wrong. (And incidentally, very “anti-choice”, since it doesn’t allow women the choice to make a fully informed decision). So maybe they DO need to add something to their birth control education. A little thing called honesty and integrity.
“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.”
Bethany,
Birth Control Pills do not cause an abortion, nor do they cause a woman to miscarry. Get your facts straight.
Stephanie, I do have my facts straight. Read the box. Get your facts straight.
It says that it prevents implantation, not conception.
It is written in such a deceptive way that women who do not know pro-abortion semantics will understand it to mean that it prevents conception.
How does the Pill work?
The Pill is designed to interfere with several normal functions of fertility in order to make a woman 1) unable to conceive due to temporary sterility or sperm immobility, and/or 2) unable to carry a pregnancy to term(an early abortion). This process can be accomplished in various ways.
1. Suppressing Ovulation: When a woman ovulates, hormones released from the pituitary , a gland located at the base of the brain, stimulate her ovaries to ripen and release an egg. The combination pill usually interrupts the release of these pituitary hormones resulting in no egg being released from the ovary, thus preventing pregnancy from occurring. With no egg available for fertilization, the woman is chemically sterile. The progestin-only pill, however, has a weaker effect. It generally does not suppress ovulation.1
2. Inhibiting Implantation: Another important aspect of fertility is the process by which the lining of the uterus is replenished and maintained. After an egg is fertilized, it normally implants in this lining (endometrium), drawing nourishment and sustenance. The progestin component of the combination pill and the progestin-only minipill cause the inner lining of the uterus to become thin and shriveled, unable to support implantation of the embryo(newly fertilized egg).2
3. Impeding Sperm Migration: Preceding ovulation, a woman
I won’t be back until tomorrow night, so I want to leave with some thoughts for Good Friday…
“Yes’ said Queen Lucy ‘In our world too, a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world.” CS LEWIS The Last Battle
“Safe” said Mrs. Beaver “Who said anything about safe? Course He isn’t safe. but He’s good. He’s the King I tell you.”
CS LEWIS The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe
“When a willing victim who has committed no treachery was killed in a traitor’s stead, the table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards”
CS LEWIS The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe
“It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger, someone has to give them up. Lose them, so that others may keep them.” JR TOKIEN LOTR
“I have no help to send. Therefore I must go myself” JR TOLKIEN LOTR
“Easter says, you can put truth in a grave, but won’t stay there.” Clarence W. Hall
“My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my followers would have fought that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from here” John 18:36-37
“Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, that you may not enter into temptation.” Luke 22:46-47
“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” Luke 23:34
“It is finished” John:30
“I am” Mark 14:62
Have a blessed Good Friday…
mk
I’ll miss you, MK…hope you have a blessed weekend!
Jill, I would like to note something:
Have a great Good Friday all!!
First off, wow Bethany, that was an incredibly long post.
Secondly, momof3, you said most of the women you knew who had abortions used abortion clinics as their only BC. I happen to agree *shock*(try not to fall out of your chair Bethany) that this practice is wrong. If you don’t want to BE pregnant, then you should take things into your hands to not GET pregnant.
Also, I have known of women who have taken an overdose of BC to induce a miscarriage, but I know it expressly says on those commercials that you should not take the pill if you are already pregnant.
I’m the “incredulous” writer of that piece. Hiya!!
I really can’t argue with the right-wing Christian standing on this issue (I’m far too gone into the ways of evil), however, I did want to clarify you on one viewpoint:
being pro-Choice does not make someone pro-abortion.
I was forced into an abortion by my parents as a teenager and it was a horrific time period in my life resulting in massive resentment (awww, sob story, I know, I know). As a mother of 2 beautiful babies (and having dealt with the loss of 2 miscarriages) I would not choose to abort unless my life was in danger. However, I do not believe that it is my place to tell other women what to do with their pregnancies, nor do I think the government should have that right. I think abortion as a means of birth control is wrong, absolutely. But I do not think the abortion issue is black/white. There is a lot of gray mixed in there and choosing to abort can be based on a number of factors unrelated to a simple “oops”.
My point in writing the piece wasn’t even about the abortion itself (leave it up to the Christian Coalition to do that), it was about a woman suing for the cost of raising a child, which is ridiculous. Like most of my spiels it was intended as a tongue-cheek ode to human stupidity. The fact that it was misinterpreted into my being “pro-abort” only further proves my point in human stupidity.
Stephanie, 9:42a: I admit the sarcasm flies both ways. I engage in it myself.
As far as name-calling and deleting posts goes, this is a pro-life, Christian site.
So #1, I delete posts that go too far defaming God.
And #2, my thoughts are subjective. When I read what His Man writes, I know he is speaking profound, accurate truths. I’ve said before I find his world/Biblical knowledge and wisdom incredible. He teaches me. He is gifted. (Christians believe God gifts us with different talents, and I believe His Man is gifted with courageous faith and the ability to teach.) I consider it a great blessing that he takes time to post on this site. You do not understand he is trying to give you life-saving medicine that you at this point are refusing to receive.
#3, I believe in calling a spade a spade, so I have no problem with His Man doing so. As I said, I see things his way as far as pro-aborts are concerned.
#4, I leave many, many insulting posts up, such as yours. Read the things you all wrote about His Man yesterday that I left up. The ones I delete are the worst of the worst, defame God, or contain swear words.
#5, your insults are often ridiculous. By “you” I mean liberals. See your post for a ready example. It is classic. You can’t debate on the merits so you jump to crazy, unfounded name-calling. There is a difference.
All that said, I confess that sometimes I say things I shouldn’t. I get mad and carried away by the moment. I do apologize in that event. I leave my stupid posts up for the world to see. I try to be honest and authentic.
Ok?
No, you don’t. Preventing implantation does not equal abortion.
You were right in most of the information. There are 3 ways BC works..preventing ovulation, preventing conception by thickening the cervical mucus, and thinning the uterine wall so that implantation is harder. However, that last one is only theoretical, and there is no evidence that it really happens.
Could I have the link for your sources?
#1 I respect that, which is why I don’t defame God.
#2 I gotta tell you, Jill. My Christian friends do not approve of the way His Man is trying to apply medicine. I much prefer going to their small groups and learning about God that way than through the hateful, “fire-and-brimestone” remarks that come from His Man’s mouth. But I will understand that this is a subjective blog, not a debate site.
#3 Again, I will recognize that this is a subjective blog, not an unbiased debate site. However, I would like you to remember that we don’t like being called pro-death or pro-abortion any more than you like being called anti-choice or anti-woman. Name-calling is name-calling regardless of if you believe it’s applicable or not.
#4 I looked through my posts. I saw no name calling coming from me, just sarcasm.
#5 And you (pro-lifers) also insult without giving an argument. You and Bethany indulged it in a in another thread a day or two ago.
I appreciate that you admit that there is fault in both sides.
JK,I was reading that Norma McCorvey[ROE} was totally appalled when women would approach her and say “Thank you so much for helping to make abortion legal.” “Thanks to you,I was able to have ______(fill in the blank with an excessive amount of your choice)abortions.” She said wondered what had she done?I have posted before about a woman I know personally, that had 7 abortions.She ended up having a hysterectomy when all was said and done.This was,according to the hospital that performed her hysterectomy,necessary due to the damage to her uterus from abortions.She flew into a deep depression afterwards. She had 1 living child and claims she wanted more when the time was right.I know that may sound weird, weird weird but God as my witness,it’s true,true,true! This woman never bothered to use ANY protection.Condoms were available at her local drug store.JK,I’m glad you agree!
His Man,
I understand that you want to protect your family from harm. That is something I can respect. However, kicking someone
#1, I appreciate that, Stephanie.
#2, I know you think His Man is hateful, but he isn’t. Ever hear of tough love? Ever hear of good-cop-bad-cop? As for fire-and-brimstone, you may not want to hear about it. But hell is very real.
#3, I cannot use the “pro-choice” terminology. I physically can’t. It’s purposefully ambiguous, specifically and wholly to make you as a pro-abort comfortable. I won’t participate.
#4, that’s good.
#5, yes, I admitted that was true. I also engage in sarcasm, which is part of my claim to fame as a writer. I have to say I don’t mind insulting the abortion industry/abortionists one bit. They are disgusting and pathetic and kill children for a buck.
I do appreciate you, Stephanie. We certainly don’t see eye-to-eye at this point, and my personality type is to let you have it with both barrels in that event, but I’m glad you take the time to keep coming back and commenting on my site.
And Happy Easter to you, too, Mom… :)
P.S. Stepanie, I thought of one more thing in the shower. (After this I simply MUST start cooking dinner!)
You aren’t going to find any better equpped defenders of life in the blogosphere than MK, Bethany, John, His Man, momof3, and Valerie on this site. I think that’s part of the attraction here. They intelligently debate you on the pro-life issue sans cliches and pat answers with truth and questions that force you to think and hopefully reevaluate your position.
Mom, don’t forget to email me the ultrasound photo! And your ob stripped your membranes? Yikes, Easter baby?
This is the first thing that brought it to my attention…I ordered the book and have it at home, but you can read most of it online:
http://www.epm.org/pdf/bcpill_part_1.pdf
http://www.epm.org/articles/bcpill2.html
http://www.epm.org/articles/bcpill3.html
The above links are in PDF format…you’ll have to scroll down to get past the credits, then you’ll be in the first section of the book on the first link.
Also, this is where the other info came from:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2879/contraception.html
Jill,you and your family have a wonderful holiday! Everone else, please do the same!Remember, God loves us all.No matter what we have done.Ya Jill.Stripped those suckers.However,I don’t think it did any good.I think she(the baby) wants to stay in, so she can have some Easter ham and sweet potatoes.Do you blame her? Formula is boring!LOL
Steph,
Thanks for admitting that you do see a difference between a baby in the womb and an infant that has been born. Finally, some progress is being made. So, if you could then be convinced there is no difference, you would change to being a pro-lifer? So for you it’s a biological question, not a Creator/purpose/intent/infinity question?
You say that you have Christian friends that don’t agree with the way I am posting. OK. If that’s true, just tell them this. There’s a difference between Christianity and Churchianity. One could get you killed, the other will just make you popular. I choose Christianity.
Tell them this too. Start speaking the truth in love instead of with love. There’s a difference.
One involves speaking God’s word without regard for how it may be received since that’s subjective. The other is selfish because the Word is parsed, water downed and perverted, delivered only so as not to offend for the self-deceived purpose of soothing one’s conscience in fulfilment of the command to GO YE. They’ll understand.
You fail to understand that when a woman gives herself to a man, and vice versa, it’s not just for the purpose of a sex act, no, the two become one flesh, until death they do part. Therefore, the baby in the woman’s body is just as much the man’s as it is the woman’s. True agape love can see it no other way.
Jill, you wrote: “statistics show where there are no abortion mills, there are way, way fewer women in that area aborting. ”
What statistics? How do you know women in these areas aren’t just travelling to get their abortions, as Irish women travel to England for theirs?
My bullsh*t detector is beeping….
HisMan wrote: “Abortionist gynecologists….beware…you don’t know where I live and what I may do if you just utter the word abortion….so, think twice and be afraid, very, very afraid.”
Then Jill wrote: “When I read what His Man writes, I know he is speaking profound, accurate truths.”
And Jill claims the right-to-life movement is not violent. Hee hee!
Actually, it’s an open question whether HisMan’s post violates the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Law, which criminalizes anyone who:
“by force or THREAT of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, INTIMIDATES or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person because that person is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from, obtaining or providing reproductive health services [including abortion].” (emphasis added).
Isn’t HisMan’s post a threat of force? And isn’t it posted in order to intimidate a class of persons from providing abortion? Are there any lawyers here?
You might want to be more careful, Jill. You dont’ want to become a test case, after all.
SOMG:
Like your liberal media chorts, you fail to post the balance of my post which adds (tp paraphrase), “then go learn Tae-Kwondo”. This was obviously tongue in cheek. The point is I will never allow any one man or women to abort my baby. No different that saying I would protect my ten yeard old from an attacker. You got a problem with that or would you just stand there like a wimp and let somebody attack a loved one?
SOMG: You are a liar and satan is your master and your aim is to deceive others. You have no interest in promoting truth. In fact, you use half truths to discredit the truth. Please don’t misquote me again. It simply isn’t the manly thing to do.
His Man:
If you don’t mind, but what denomination of Christianity are you?
HisMan, just out of curiosity, why did the doctor suggest abortion, ten years ago? What was the indication?
SOMG:
Go ahead take your best shot.
Keep trying to stifle my free speech.
Your legal threats don’t intimidate be one bit and are typical when you can’t win an argument based on truth. Go hide behind the skirts of the judicial system wimp.
SOMG, 12:31p, said: “Jill, you wrote: ‘statistics show where there are no abortion mills, there are way, way fewer women in that area aborting.’ What statistics? How do you know women in these areas aren’t just travelling to get their abortions, as Irish women travel to England for theirs? My bullsh*t detector is beeping….”
Hi, SOMG. I hear your detector, and it’s annoying. You can turn it off now. Haven’t you ever heard, “If you build it, they will come?” Likely, but I know you often intentionally avoid logic.
{oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/XIV/2/95) “Variations in the availability of abortion providers may impact the demand for abortions since greater provider availability reduces the travel cost associated with acquiring an abortion…. Abortion rates as well as pregnancy rates appear to be sensitive to availability-induced variations in the travel cost of abortion services. In particular, the results suggest that residents in counties with longer travel distances to the nearest abortion provider have lower abortion rates and lower pregnancy rates.”
(http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5407a1.htm)”The overall declines in the abortion ratio and rate over time might reflect multiple factors, including a decrease in the number of unintended pregnancies (8); a shift in the age distribution of women toward the older and less fertile ages (5); reduced or limited access to abortion services, including the passage of abortion laws that affect adolescents (e.g., parental consent or notification laws and mandatory waiting periods) (9–13); and changes in contraceptive practices, including increased use of contraceptives (e.g., condoms and, among young women, of long-acting hormonal contraceptive methods that were introduced in the early 1990s.”
His Man, it was heartwarming the way you spoke of your children. Though we don’t see eye to eye on many issues here, your care for your kids is evident and I respect you highly for it. I wish them all the best of luck, and you and your wife as well. I was very happy the way you described your daughter as the beautiful “apple of your eye”, as I’ve seen and heard many self-proclaimed Christian men only laud the accomplishments of the sons they deemed more important and superior to their female offspring. I’m glad you aren’t one of those types. Have a wonderful Easter. :)
HisMan 11:29AM
“There’s a difference between Christianity and Churchianity. One could get you killed, the other will just make you popular. I choose Christianity.”
I really like that. I’ve never heard it that way.
“Therefore, the baby in the woman’s body is just as much the man’s as it is the woman’s. True agape love can see it no other way. ”
I got critisized alot when I told people that “WE were pregnant” meaning my husband and I. But the baby in my womb is 1/2 his no matter what anyone says. That is why my children have his DNA too. Nature made female women the ones to have children. I know alot of men who have lost their babies to abortion, because they have no say on the matter, that would have carried that baby if it was medically possible. To say that it is ‘our’ bodies just doesn’t make sense to me. My husband and I are one, we share our lives, our finances, our children, our love, our bodies and everything else in life. It is a very peaceful fulfilling life.
Okay – done with the huggy huggy feeling stuff, back to the debates! ;-)
Rae,
The days of denominations are over. We are more and more becoming one body in Christ and abortion is one issue all Christains can agree on. This unification is evidence that Christ’s return is near and it is imperative that we all unite under His banner of Love as His unblemished bride.
I was born into a Catholic family, went to a Catholic grammar school and high school (where I learned how to play real football). I will forever be a Catholic and my Catholic roots run deep. I find that most Catholics are at best nominal Catholics and really don’t know what the church teaches or why and most don’t follow all the precepts and conditions. Now I said most, not all and I expect to be disagreed with on that one. I would suggest that Catholics start reading the Bible on a daily basis and then question their leaders on why things are done in certain ways.
I agree wholeheartedly with the Catholic stance on abortion. I will say that no church has the whole truth, not even the Catholic church. The need for the Reformation was evidence of that.
I must say however, that I am also a free thinker. When I was in my early 20’s God moved on my heart and gave me a hunger to read scripture. To say that that process threw me into a state of spiritual chaos would be an undestatement, however, He promises to deliver us through the fire, every time, an He has. It was then that I decided to be baptized by immersion when I was 23 (Acts 2:38). Since then I have been involved with the Church of Christ, the Christian Church and now the Assemblies of God but not as an adherer to doctrines of men but following the leading of God and His Word as to what He wanted me to do and where He wanted me to be. My life is blessed beyond measure and I look forward to the day when He says, “Well done thy good and faithful servant”. That is the purpsoe of my life.
MK and Jill: Please don’t take this as an insult to Catholicism. However, I would welcome you comments on my actions, sisters in Christ.
I love the Catholic Church. I think they do more good and stand against more evil than any oterh church in the world. I owe my passion for truth to the Catholic Church.
Jill, of your three references, the only one I could get the full article from is the third one, which notes a decline in abortion rates since 1990 and speculates as to the causes. No geographical data at all here. Why do you think this reference supports your hypotheses? It doesn’t.
The jstor article is available only to authorized users and the Brown and Jewell reference posts only the abstract, so I cannot evaluate them or determine whether their data justify your claim that “way, way fewer” women who live far from abortion providers abort their pregnancies. Maybe you could post the Results sections from these articles?
Valerie,
You know the Truth and the Truth has set you free.
You are a Real Woman and your husband a Real Man.
You have a wonderful resurrection day too!
Now you seem to have modified your post and removed the JSTOR reference. Why did you do that? The one you should remove is the MMWR reference–the last one–which does not support your hypothesis in any way.
Everyone have a great Easter. I can’t wait to see my parents on Sunday. :)
Oh, the woes of college life. :P
Jill, you need to read your references more carefully before you post them.
In fact, the MMWR article specifically cautions against drawing conclusions like yours in a section entitled “Limitations”. It says:
“… Abortion data are compiled and reported to CDC by the central health department in the reporting area in which the abortion was performed rather than the area in which the woman resided. This choice of area inflates the numbers, ratios, and rates of abortions for areas in which a high proportion of legal abortions are obtained by out-of-state residents and undercounts procedures for states with limited abortion services or more stringent legal requirements for obtaining an abortion (causing women to seek abortions elsewhere).
Beep…. beep…. beep, goes the BS detector.
His Man, 2:30p, said: “We are more and more becoming one body in Christ and abortion is one issue all Christains can agree on.”
and
“MK and Jill: Please don’t take this as an insult to Catholicism. However, I would welcome you comments on my actions, sisters in Christ.”
His Man, it is often assumed I’m Catholic b/c I’m so strongly involved in the pro-life movement. But I’m a nondenom Christian girl, born and raised, as you were before you hopped over to the Assemblies.
That said, I wholeheartedly concur with your first quoted statement. The pro-life movement is by-and-large Catholic. Catholics have carried the water all these years. Catholic teaching has been instrumental in my understanding of many aspects of the pro-life movement, such as contraception. There isn’t one part of all this they haven’t thought through, I don’t think.
The pro-life movement is a huge Christian unifer. Protestantism/Catholicism is rarely if ever a problem. Most Catholics try to win me over, not hit me over the head. We just don’t “go there” on the sensitive issues. I say our differences are as old as Luther, and we’re not going to have an epiphany that changes anything. I think the unity must make Jesus very happy. It was His last prayer before He died. He could have prayed for anything – peace, love, or understanding. But He prayed for Christian unity.
Ok, back to cooking. The family will be here in a few.
:)
SOMG:
What’s the point? Abortion was, is, and always will be murder.
Congratulating yourself for a so-called “gotcha” (because of some statistical disclaimer that every publisher of articles includes so they have a way out so as to not look like idiots and you know this), is like a blithering idiot drunk taking another drink. He was drunk before the drink and still drunk after the drink, only to find himself puking all over himself wishing he never took the frist drink.
So drink on future lawyer.
Well put His Man! SOMG needed someone to clean his clock.
Truth and Hope Report: Easter Weekend Update
On the weekend Truth and Hope Report:
-Rudy’s Trouble with Bloggers
-Detroit Kids Getting I-Pods
-Gays in the Military
-Rich Liberals
-Wrongful Birth Suits
-Whose to Blame for the lack of confidence in the judicial system?
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Easter Weekend Update
On the weekend Truth and Hope Report:
-Rudy’s Trouble with Bloggers-Detroit Kids Getting I-Pods-Gays in the Military-Rich Liberals-Wrongful Birth Suits-Whose to Blame for the lack of confidence in the judicial system?
Related:
Townhall:
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HisMan, now my human-sh*t detector is beeping. I think it’s detetcting you!
You referred to the passage I quoted as “some statistical disclaimer that every publisher of articles includes so they have a way out so as to not look like idiots ”
All you show by posting this is that you have not read the article. The passage is from the body of the text, not a publisher’s note, and it is not a generic disclaimer, but a specific comment about the way the data were reported.
My clock is still unclean, and my BS detector is still beeping.
HisMan posted: “Abortion was, is, and always will be murder.”
In your delusional, cult-brainwashed mind, maybe.
SOMG,your clock is sooooo cleaned.You don’t have a leg to stand on.Nobody believes you anymore.Haha!
That beeping is the smoke alarm in your kitchen.You let your roast overcook!
lol