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Pro-life blog buzz 5-5-15

pro-lifeby Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli

  • Culture Campaign comments on self-professed Satanist name “Mary” who claims the Missouri waiting period is preventing her from exercising her religious belief “that her body is subject to her will alone.” (I wonder how they square this with other laws in society which restrict individual rights.) Of course, Mary and the Satanists have the full support of abortion advocates. A fund has been established so “Mary” can have an abortion ASAP at the only remaining abortion clinic in MO, Planned Parenthood of St. Louis – which is not exactly known for it’s great track record on safety.
  • 40 Days for Life just celebrated its second event in Nigeria in the past two years.

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  • Clinic Quotes has a bizarre, twisted quote from Christiane Northrup, a former abortionist, who apparently believes abortion should remain legal because the mother-child bond is sacred. What?

    The bond between mother and child is the most intimate bond in human experience. In this most primary of human relationships, love, welcome, and receptivity should be present in abundance. Forcing a woman to bear and raise a child against her will is therefore an act of violence. It constricts and degrades the mother – child bond and sows the seeds of hatred rather than love. … Life is too valuable to inhibit its full blossoming and potential by forcing a woman to bear it against her will.

    Is banning abortion an act of violence, or is abortion itself the act of violence?

  • At Live Action News, Amanda Read discusses the past winners of Life Film Fest’s Capra Award and how they honored life:

    Capra was the youngest of seven children in an Italian immigrant family, and is remembered for crafting the simple richness of everyday life onto the silver screen in such films as “It’s A Wonderful Life,” “Mr. Deeds Goes to Town,” and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”

    The beauty of Capra’s filmmaking is the power of the parable, as seen in the compelling illustration that no one’s life is an accident.

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  • Josh Brahm talks about his experience of touring this exhibit (pictured right) in Portland, Oregon. Although, as Brahm points out, some may be “triggered” by the exhibit (perhaps due to their belief that any scientific display of preborn humans is somehow anti-women’s rights), showing the development of the preborn child is scientifically valid:

    The exhibit was created by Dr. Gunther von Hagens, the person behind the controversial “Body Worlds” exhibit. He uses a plastination technique to preserve animal and human bodies and sets up exhibits in an effort to educate people about anatomy in a way that books can’t. The exhibit is controversial because in the case of the human bodies, these were real people who arguably should have been buried. My staff and I have unresolved concerns about that aspect of it.

    In the case of the prenatal development exhibit at OMSI, they only have babies who were miscarried and then preserved, presumably with the parents’ permission….

    It became harder for me to step into the shoes of a pro-choice person and defend abortion rights later in the exhibit though. Around the point where the baby in front of us was nine weeks old, it became clearer than anything that this is a little human, not an unorganized mass of developing tissue.

    As I was staring at a child who was about 20 weeks old my brother Tim came up to me to ask me what I was feeling. I paused, and then responded that I felt “intensely sad about abortion.” I asked him what he was feeling, and he replied, “As I looked at the younger embryos, I felt really sad, but the older they get, the more I feel angry.”

    I reminded Tim that abortions at 20-weeks or later don’t happen nearly as often as first-trimester abortions before asking, “What specifically are you angry about?” Tim thought about it, and responded, “I’m angry that 20-week abortions are defended so often. I’m angry that our society is even having to debate whether or not to pass a bill that would ban abortions at this stage.”

[Photo of OR display by Eric Shierman via Josh Brahm; Northrup photo via pinterest.com]

Pro-life blog buzz 4-7-15

pro-lifeby Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli

  • Saynsumthn’s Blog shows the unintentional hilarity of some pro-choicers who thought they’d mock pro-life beliefs by writing “Not a chicken” on unfertilized Easter eggs.
  • At the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Alex Schadenberg says Democratic New Hampshire State Rep. Michael Cahill “offered euthanasia as a solution during the budget debate last week.” He reportedly stated, “Since we are refusing to raise revenues to fund services for the disabled, for example, have you looked at euthanasia?” If that was supposed to be a joke, it wasn’t a good one.

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  • 40 Days for Life reminds us that the pro-life movement is a movement of converts:

    We are not a movement of saints, but of sinners. We are a movement of converts. And among those converts are people who once stood firm in their belief in abortion. But they were wrong – and they admitted it.

    The pro-life movement is not led by those who wave their moral fingers at women who have abortions or workers who sell abortion. In fact, many of the leaders are women who have had abortions… and the people who sold them those abortions.

    Over the past 42 years, we have seen many hearts change. Abortion doctors, abortion workers, women who have had abortions, men who have paid for abortions and baby-boomers who sincerely supported “reproductive rights” have become pro-life.

  • At Live Action News, Adam Peters discusses Ryerson University in Toronto and their refusal to allow a pro-life club member status on their campus under the guise of protecting the campus from “groups, meetings, or events that promote misogynist views towards woman (sic) and ideologies that promote gender inequity, challenges women’s right (sic) to bodily autonomy, or justifies (sic) sexual assault.” Peters responds, “If the RSU’s board members are serious about opposing misogyny, sexual assault, and gender inequality, then they should stop worrying about pro-lifers and take a look at the abortion industry; it enables all three.”
  • Bound4Life, posts about a reported “breakthrough” in medical science which produces organs available for transplant. But this breakthrough is extremely controversial: the organs are harvested from aborted babies, transplanted into lab rats and grown for eventual transplant into humans – a process is known as xenotransplantation.

    Their reasoning for using organs from aborted humans is that the organs would simply go to waste otherwise. Our own Jill Stanek remarked on this process, as quoted by CNS News:

    It is easy to see where this is heading: toward the day when human beings will be grown in the lab specifically for organ and tissue harvesting. This is horrific on so many levels.

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  • Kansans for Life comments on a PBS show that features doctors and nurses treating pre-born children for defects and problems in utero instead of killing them via abortion:

    Twice Born focuses on treating serious medical problems detected in the womb, including invasive tumors, spina bifida, and twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome. The first show was well-paced and personalized the staff, particularly one physician whose daughter has a degenerative disease.

    But beyond the pathos of the medical conditions depicted, and beyond the admiration for the dedication and compassion of the medical staff, a deliberate feeling kept rising in me: THIS is what medicine naturally aspires to… how marvelous… how noble! This is what physicians SHOULD be doing!

  • Big Blue Wave says despite the pro-choice narrative attempting to paint Purvi Patel’s self-induced abortion/feticide as a “miscarriage,” it wasn’t:

    This is not about criminalizing miscarriage.

    Do you really believe that pro-life women such as myself, who have had miscarriages, would seek to criminalize a natural miscarriage?

    No.

    There’s a difference between a natural miscarriage, one whose cause is usually unknown and unprovoked and that induced by pills or other means.

[Photos via 40 Days for Life and nhpr.org]

Abortion pill “spa” aims to erase stigma with bathrobes and tea

by Kelli

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At Carafem, staff members plan to greet clients with warm teas, comfortable robes and a matter-of-fact attitude.

“We don’t want to talk in hushed tones,” said Carafem president Christopher Purdy. “We use the A-word.”…

Because Carafem will offer only the abortion pill, not vacuum aspiration or other surgical procedures, prospective clients must be no more than 10 weeks pregnant….

After receiving counseling and some basic tests, Carafem clients will take an initial pill at the clinic. Purdy’s team expects to get them in and out quickly, within about 60 minutes. They will be sent home with a second set of pills to take the next day. The second dose induces the abortion, which resembles a miscarriage, typically within six hours.

By offering only pharmaceutical abortions, Purdy says, he can avoid purchasing expensive surgical equipment and keep prices low for clients. The average pharmaceutical abortion cost about $500 in the United States in 2011, Guttmacher figures show; Purdy plans to charge around $400.

Another striking aspect of the project is the design: The clinic will have wood floors and a natural wood tone on the walls that recalls high-end salons such as Aveda. Appointments, offered evenings and weekends, can be booked online or via a 24-hour hotline.

“It was important for us to try to present an upgraded, almost spa-like feel,” said Melissa S. Grant, vice president of health services for the clinic.

If the project is successful, Purdy says, he hopes to expand his model to other states.

“It’s fresh, it’s modern, it’s clean, it’s caring,” he said. “That’s the brand we’re trying to create.”

~ Sandhya Somashekhar, The Washington Post, March 30

[Photo via essence.com]

Pro-life blog buzz 3-3-15

pro-lifeby Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli

  • Live Action News says the new interactive game “Fusion” (on a website that includes writers like the founding editor of pro-abortion, profane Jezebel) in which players pretend to lead a South Dakota woman through several supposedly real-life scenarios – but they all suggest abortion is the correct answer to the dilemma. Hmm, no agenda there:

    What if the woman does choose to keep the baby?

    If she chooses to have the woman keep the baby, then she either still ends up having the abortion because of a partial placental abruption, or she has the baby and ends up sick, in premature labor, and with mountains of debt.

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  • Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life points out that the United Nations – which ignores the “discriminatory killing of female children through sex-selective abortion and infanticide” – has designated March 1st as Zero Discrimination Day. MCCL “implores all nations to… speak out against the denial of health care to the needy and elderly, and to stand up for the disabled who are pushed toward euthanasia and assisted suicide.”
  • Kansans for Life responds to abortion supporters’ desperate attempts to link a dismemberment abortion bill to miscarriage management:

    On the actual issue of SB 95 – the barbarity of dismemberment – we have heard mostly silence from abortion supporters, with an implicit (or explicit) denial that a baby could feel pain at having his or her body demolished one piece at a time.

    Do abortion supporters expect that the same public that wholeheartedly supports humane treatment for animals will excuse what happens to a human baby in this kind of abortion?

  • 40 Days for Life discusses fasting (usually less emphasized than prayer), with suggestions for five different forms of fasting in which Christians can participate.
  • Down on the Pharm shows us how the issue of illegal immigration has become a pro-life issue as the Department of Health and Human Services will begin paying for unaccompanied minors’ abortions. This should help to line the pockets of Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers.

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  • Abstinence Clearinghouse says the person to blame for society’s fascination with things like 50 Shades of Grey is “researcher” Alfred Kinsey:

    Kinsey’s distorted and fictional views of human sexuality has had a direct negative impact on the nation’s morality over the past several decades. [Judith] Reisman believes that the releases of this movie is the perfect opportunity for Congress to step in an begin an investigation of Kinsey’s research methods and results. To read Reisman’s full article on her allegations against Kinsey, click here.

  • Expose Abortion features an interesting quote from pro-choice feminist Naomi Wolf on the pro-life movement’s use of the images of abortion victims:

    So what will it be: Wanted fetuses are charming, complex, REM-dreaming little beings whose profile on the sonogram looks just like Daddy, but unwanted ones are mere ‘uterine material’? How can we charge that it is vile and repulsive for pro-lifers to brandish vile and repulsive images if the images are real? To insist that the truth is in poor taste is the very height of hypocrisy.

[Images via pinterest.com and lifesitenews.com]

Despite charade, abortion proponents still running from A-word

100406ScarletARecently, abortion proponents decided if you can’t beat, join ’em, and began urging their people to counter post-abortive stories of regret with post-abortive stories of relief.

They launched the 1 in 3 Campaign and began writing articles explaining the importance of coming out.

Even Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards finally admitted to having an abortion skeleton in her closet, claiming it was easy peasy, even if something about it kept her from sharing the good news beyond her inner circle for years and years.

Abortion proponents now say it is wrong to connect abortions with sob stories, which further stigmatize the deed as something sought only in dire circumstances or for catastrophic reasons.

So they exalt the “freedom to f*** up,” lauding those like post-abortive Merritt Tierce, who bragged about not one but two! abortions in the New York Times, one garnered after an affair in which she was unsure of paternity, and the other sought after her attempt to trap a man via pregnancy failed. Tramps trump tragedy.

But do they practice what they preach? Only when convenient.

Despite the charade, the industry knows everyone but them thinks abortion is skanky, to say the least.

So, while Planned Parenthood committed nearly one million of the three million U.S. abortions of the past three years, it continues to use math gimmicks to insist abortion accounts for a minuscule portion of its business.

And in a Cosmo puff piece a few days ago, “How to get hired at Planned Parenthood,” Senior HR Officer Gaitre Lorick failed to ever bring up the a-word. It came up only once, in the article’s intro. Abortion is obviously not an employment magnet.

Lorick wrote candidates are expected to have “a basic understanding” of the organization, and to check out Planned Parenthood’s website for details. But there is no a-word at the supplied link. Lorick also touted Planned Parenthood’s internship program, but that link omits the a-word as well.

At the Washington Post, 16 “influential” feminists submitted what they hope to accomplish in 2015, and again, the a-word never came up. The closest was one invocation of the vague term “reproductive rights.”

Everyone knows you can’t be a feminist if you’re not pro-abortion. It’s the litmus test.

But the feminists listed just about everything but abortion as important agenda items for the new year – living wages, gender equality, police brutality, domestic violence, LGBT justice, digital dualism, online harassment, hate speech, rape, quality childcare, queer and trans people of color in media, campus violence, immigration, incarceration, and even women in online game development.

Is abortion that secure? Hardly.

Amanda Marcotte blames the “anti-choice movement’s relentless propaganda about ‘abortion regret'” and the “ever-misogynistic gossip press” for a stigma against abortion that just won’t die.

Marcotte needs to talk to her own, for instance, Michael Odenthal of Highbrow Magazine.

Odenthal just wrote a laudibly pro-abortion piece (“Conservative America’s dangerous war on abortion”) wherein he promoted the a-word 21 times, except, strangely, within the three paragraphs where he sympathetically told the story of a now incarcerated Pennsylvania mother who illegally ordered pills online to “terminate” her pregnant 16-yr-old daughter’s “pregnancy,” which landed the hemorrhaging girl in the hospital.

“The daughter had a miscarriage,” wrote Odenthal, “as the pills were intended to induce.”

Um, no. The daughter had an abortion. Why not say it straight? Because in this case the a-word doesn’t play well?

Mixed messaging from abortion advocates, often subconscious, betrays the reality they may not even realize they know… this because abortion stigma is inborn, pardon the pun.

Abortion is unnatural. Abortion is violent. It is inherently abhorrent to kill one’s own offspring.

The fact is, abortion stigma will never die… simply because of that which does.

Pro-life blog buzz 12-16-14

pro-lifeby Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli

  • ProLife NZ laments the story of a woman choosing abortion at 28 weeks gestation when she found out her child had a deformed left hand. She stated her decision to abort rested upon not wanting her child to be discriminated against due to this disability (oh, the irony). The media felt it unfortunate that the deformity was not identified earlier in pregnancy, as if that would have made the abortion more acceptable. (I wonder what would happen if children had the right to terminate less than perfect parents….)

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  • Saynsumthn’s Blog shows that as always, Planned Parenthood brings a lack of tact to the holidays with PP of Maryland’s Sex Trivia: Holiday Edition “beauty” of a “grand prize” – a glitter-covered penis to (as PP puts it) “accompany your tree or menorah.” Yes, nothing says Christmas like a glittery phallus and some condom stocking stuffers.
  • Wesley J. Smith writes again about Jahi McMath, the young girl who was declared brain dead a year ago. Originally, Smith accepted McMath’s brain death diagnosis from three physicians, but a year has passed on a ventilator, and her body has not deteriorated. He now believes there is cause for concern and thinks that the scientific community should be open to investigating the case again given the possibility that they were wrong:

    The unprecedented nature of a brain dead person recovering function – which may have happened with Jahi – makes this a very important case. If she has come back, that opens a whole new area of scientific inquiry. From that perspective alone, why fight taking a thorough new look to see if it happened?

    I strongly believe this case needs to be reopened – for Jahi, for her family, for the integrity of the system, and for the good of science.
    The harder the “establishment” resists, the more I think their objections are ideological, reflecting deep concerns about how a finding that she is alive would rock their world.

    They are right: It would. But that’s no reason to force her to remain among the dead if that is not where she belongs.

  • At The Vine, Breeanne Howe offers some suggestions for pro-life gift-giving this holiday season.
  • Pro-Life in TN comments on a recent traffic stop involving two Muslim men who were transporting the remains of a miscarried baby at 15 weeks for proper burial. Media reports used changing verbiage to describe the child – son, child, baby – with one outlet finally changing the term to “fetus” once the circumstances of the child’s death were clarified.

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  • Women’s Rights Without Frontiers gives us good news this Christmas season:

    On International Human Rights DayAnni and Ruli Zhang have been granted political asylum in the United States. Detained overnight as a 10-year-old, Anni is known as “China’s youngest prisoner of conscience.” She and her older sister, Ruli, are the daughters of veteran activist Zhang Lin, who is currently serving a three-and-a-half year jail sentence for standing up for Anni’s right to go to school. With the help of brave activists in China and the U.S., WRWF President Reggie Littlejohn was able to secure safe passage to the U.S. for the girls. She and her husband Robert have taken the girls into their home and are raising them as their own daughters.

  • Secular Pro-Life is calling on students to help with Students for Life’s Pregnant On Campus Initiative. College students are at the highest risk for abortions:

    Students for Life of America (SFLA)… launched PregnantOnCampus.org. The aim of the site is to provide local, campus-specific information for students at hundreds of schools across the nation. It will also allow for a greater degree of continuity, so that students don’t have to worry about website maintenance after they graduate.

    SFLA is counting on pro-life students to crowdsource the information. Right now, because the site is brand new, most of the campus pages contain only generic information about nationwide resources (e.g., the WIC program). To really make PregnantOnCampus shine, SFLA needs you to step up and submit information about local resources that can help mothers at your school.

[Photos via Saynsumthn’s Blog and Women’s Rights Without Frontiers]

Pro-life blog buzz 11-14-14

pro-lifeby Kelli

  • Down on the Pharm reminds us that the old “hCG in the tetanus vaccine” scandal happening in Kenya right now is nothing new:

    It has all the markers of previous suspected lacings of tetanus vaccines, given to pregnant women in Mexico in 1993, and the Philippines in 1994. In the latter case, HCG was actually found in vaccine samples, and antibodies to HCG were demonstrated in women who had received the vaccine. The antibodies to HCG bind to the natural hormone found in a woman’s body when she gets pregnant, and inhibit further support of the pregnancy. A miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) ensues.

    The Catholic Bishops of Kenya, getting no cooperation from the government, obtained six samples of tetanus vaccine and had them tested at labs in Kenya and in South Africa. All six of them showed the presence of HCG. The Kenyan government persisted in denying that there could be any HCG in tetanus vaccines provided under the auspices of the World Health Organization and UNICEF.

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  • Live Action News shares the story of a father who not only said goodbye to his wife Ashley, who died after an emergency c-section, but to their premature son, Lennon, four days later. Chris Picco exemplifies the belief that his son was precious before his birth, and that this is only “goodbye for now.” May God comfort Chris as he honors the memory of his beautiful family.
  • Abstinence Clearinghouse links to Janice Shaw Crouse’s article in American Thinker which points out “that through their votes, unmarried women voters made a statement that they are more concerned about creating and keeping jobs, rather than free birth control, food stamps, etc. These results came as a surprise to many who stated that these free items are what women truly want and need.”
  • Fletcher Armstrong shares four lessons learned from the voters’ response to various pro-life laws, including Tennessee’s Amendment 1.
  • Clinic Quotes has a statement from ultrasound technician Shari Richard who claims simply showing a sonogram picture has pro-aborts terrified:

    For 10 years I have been an ultrasonographer and have witnessed the development of pre-born children. I am convinced that if every mother could see her baby on ultrasound, the abortion argument would be over. A look through the window reveals the true victim of abortion. This is why our presentations are often censored….

    In 1990, I testified on fetal development before the House and Senate subcommittee considering the “Freedom of Choice Act.” I brought an ultrasound videotape of fully formed fetuses as young as eight weeks after conception. Representative Don Edwards (D – CA) tried to prevent me from showing the videotape.

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  • In the same vein, Maaike Rosendal at the Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform writes about a fantastic backfire that occurred when pro-choice protestors tried to silence a public, on-campus pro-life speaking event at McMaster University. It ended with several pro-choicers questioning why their own side refused to even listen to pro-life arguments:

    As soon as the club president welcomed everyone, she was interrupted by excessive applause and yelling. When she asked the audience to be courteous, protesters began delivering speeches on the reproduction of various animals while cheered on by others. For the next hour, they made it impossible for the presentation to take place with the aid of an air horn, bull horn, and silly string while singing, whistling, throwing paper balls, and mockingly reading from the Bible.

    A few open-minded students begged the protesters to stop. “I’m pro-choice too but I’m very disappointed in your behaviour,” a female student exclaimed. “I’m really interested in hearing their side,” another young woman said. The protesters clearly weren’t. “What are they afraid of?” someone asked aptly. “Why are they stopping us from seeing what abortion looks like?”…

    When the solution to difficult life circumstances is not solving problems but killing pre-born people, forcibly silencing born people you find problematic isn’t that much different. Thursday night’s protesters illustrated their point powerfully: pro-choice for some means no choice for others.

    I wasn’t the only one who noticed this, and the contrast between the two sides was crystal clear…. When the protesters verbally harassed pro-choice girls who asked them to be quiet, accusing them of being “rats” and “traitors” to the extent that one left in tears, campus pro-life students were compassionate, caring, and exchanged contact information to make sure she was okay….

    Not only did pro-choicers thank the team for being “humble, loving, and professional,” one attendee wrote: “Your arguments were very scientifically accurate and irrefutable.” Someone else messaged later, “As someone who was on the fence… I am finding myself more and more fully against abortion in ANY case. Thank you for coming to our school and being so great!”

  • Watch video of the disruption:

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[Photos via Live Action and CCBR]

War on Women, Extreme Edition: prison for miscarriage?

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Following the devastating Democrat rout last week, commentators on both sides of the political spectrum have proclaimed the “war on women” battle cry dead.

While abortion enthusiasts may now be forced to retire that exact terminology, and while they may also be forced to temper their hysterical push for free contraceptives (also because the new Republican “let’s offer them over-the-counter” counter-offensive terrifies Planned Parenthood), rest assured they will repackage the message.

In fact, they already have.

The abortion lobby has pushed a version of this forever, but they revealed their next PR campaign in a New York Times op ed on November 8.

Their previous version was that mothers procuring back alley abortions will be thrown in prison should abortion be made illegal.

Clarke Forsythe of Americans United for Life handily refuted that when liberal Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn tried to corner me in 2006.

Basically, Forsythe responded that there are no known cases of aborting mothers being prosecuted before Roe v Wade legalized abortion nationwide in 1973, and the law has always considered women second victims in abortion. Prosecuting them would circumvent the real goal of nabbing the perpetrators, i.e., the abortionists.

The new and improved meme is that pro-life laws will be used to send miscarrying mothers to prison. See graphic above, referenced below…

This argument has also been out for awhile, but abortion proponents are ratcheting it up as a major offensive now that former claims are felling on deaf ears.

In the NYT, Lynn Paltrow and Jeanne Flavin of the pro-abortion and misnomered group National Advocates for Pregnant Women, used skewed reports to make their case.

If the examples Paltrow and Flavin gave sound too incredible to be true, they are. Here’s just one:

In Louisiana, a woman who went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding was locked up for over a year on charges of second-degree murder before medical records revealed she had suffered a miscarriage at 11 to 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The real story? In a 2013 report Paltrow and Flavin went into greater detail, still being coy and adding some dramatic flair. But what really happened nevertheless becomes clear:

In Louisiana, Michelle Marie Greenup, a twenty-six-year-old African American woman, went to a hospital complaining of bleeding and stomach pain. Doctors suspected that she had recently given birth and contacted law enforcement authorities. After repeated police interrogations, Greenup “confessed” that the baby was born alive and it died because she had failed to provide it with proper care.

Greenup was charged with second-degree murder and incarcerated. Eventually counsel for Greenup obtained her medical records, which revealed that the fetus could not have been older than between 11 to 15 weeks and that prior to the miscarriage Greenup had been given Depo-Provera, a contraceptive injection that may cause a miscarriage if administered to a woman who is already pregnant.

Greenup was finally released, but only after she agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor violation of a public health law that regulates disposal of human remains. There is no indication that the human remains law was intended to apply to pregnant women confronted with a miscarriage

So Greenup gave birth at home and confessed to authorities that her baby died due to her neglect, after which she dumped his or her dead body.

There was a there there. Paltrow and Flavin’s colorful rendition is not plausible. I’m confident this holds true for the rest of their examples in the NYT.

Paltrow and Flavin also took issue with mothers being prosecuted for intentionally harming their babies prenatally.

But why not? If mothers are prosecuted for harming their children post-birth, they should be held just as liable pre-birth.

If courts are able to determine whether mothers are negligent or violent toward born children, courts can certainly make the same determination regarding harm inflicted on preborn children.

Mothers should be held responsible for drugging their preborn babies, just as they are for postborn babies. Or plying preborns with alcohol.  The route of administration is simply different.

Throwing in the kitchen sink, Paltrow and Flavin complained pro-life laws are forcing pregnant mothers to undergo caesarian sections against their will.

But there are indeed extreme cases when higher authorities should step in when mothers refuse surgery that would save the lives of their children.

As a labor and delivery RN, I witnessed several examples, for instance a psychiatric patient who tried to refuse a c-section to save her baby’s life. She was eventually overruled, rightfully so.