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If that’s the case, then shouldn’t we hold places like dentist’s offices – where simple surgical procedures are performed and general anesthesia is used – to the same standard?
Shouldn’t every dental office have a covered ambulance facility, hallways wide enough for gurneys and medical professionals, and scrub facilites for each treatment bay?
Heck, three of the biggest dental facilites in my town are in old Victorian homes. We should gut them all and bring them up to hospital standard?
How about birthing centers? I know for a fact that that they don’t have a scrub area for each treatment bay – much less the hallway standards and ambulance accomodations.
Laura –
Dental office that do sugical procedures which is invasive and intrudes on the body – I.E. having to litteraly cut out a back molar where there is a chance of the jaw being broke – does have to follow ambulatory standards. Basic dental care is extrememly different than inserting something into a woman’s cervix. If you would like to see some graphs explaining the differences to you, I’m sure I can find them.
I would like for you to provide me proof that birthing centers do not follow ambulatory standards. That would be against federal law by the way. So, you should turn them in…..
Any center that has surgical equipment enter into the body has to be regulated by the surgical standards. This is why a dental office is different than an abortion mill.
I will find you the medical definition of a ASC…. I posted it before… It explains everything….
Laura –
Here are the federal requirements for an Ambulatory Surgical Center from the Code of Federal Regulations Title 42, public health, part 416
(1)The definition of Ambulatory surgical Center:
Ambulatory surgical center or ASC means any distinct entity that operates exclusively for the purpose of providing surgical services to patients not requiring hospitalization, has an agreement with CMS to participate in Medicare as an ASC, and meets the conditions set forth in subparts B and C of this part.
(2)The physical environment must meet certain standards such as:
-Must be functional and sanitary
-Must comply with Life Safety Code of the National Fire Protection Association
-Must have personnel be trained in emergency equipment and CPR
(3)The medical staff must meet certain standards such as:
-Must be legally and professionally qualified for their positions
-Medical staff privileges must be periodically reappraised and the scope of procedures performed in the ASC must be periodically reviewed and amended as appropriate.
-Must have policies and procedures ready for medical personnel, other than the physicians, for overseeing and evaluating their clinical activities.
(4)A RN (registered nurse) must be available for emergency treatment whenever there is a patient in the ASC.
(5)Medical Records:
-The ASC must develop and maintain a system for the proper collection, storage, and use of patient records.
-The ASC must maintain a medical record for each patient. Every record must be accurate, legible, and promptly completed.
6)The ASC must provide drugs and biologicals in a safe and effective manner, in accordance with accepted professional practice, and under the direction of an individual designated responsible for pharmaceutical services.
(7)Laboratory and radiological Services must meet federal requirements or if services are sent elsewhere that place must be certified.
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Please explain to me why this is something that an abortion mill shouldn’t follow? Don’t you think this would make an abortion safe? Or are you still more interested in dental procedures?
Laura –
go here
http://www.2secondsfaster.com/archives/97
and you will see an example of an abortionist who wasn’t regulated. Or is the safety of women less important than changing standards for a dental office?
Ahhh Val,
It’s so good to have you back! :) :) :)
(Where are Bethany’s emoticons when you need them?)
Here you go!:)
MK –
Comparing an abortion mill to a dental office? Give me a break! An abortin is intrusive and requires surgical equipment to enter into the body. The same standards need to be applied to a patient getting their teeth cleaned?
How many times does a botched cavity filling cause a woman to be sterile? or go into a 4 week coma? or die? I would like to see the statistics on that!
Val,
We’ve been asking SoMG to come up with rapist dentists, molesting veterinarians and woman pounding optometrists for months now…no can do. Claims it’s up to us to prove…
The point is that if we found a dentist raping his patients, we’d be outraged. And so would the dental community. But the abortion community remains eerily silent when their “doctors” and clinics are exposed. I mean, if they are so sure that abortion isn’t going anywhere, then they shouldn’t be afraid to condemn bad abortionists or bad clinics. Dentists do it, and they don’t worry that all dentistry will be banned because of it. Maybe the friends of abortion are afraid that if the truth comes to light, their death camps will close?
Thanks MK and Bethany! I’ve missed everyone here!
Welcome back val!
Here’s another perverted abortionist to add to the list. Akiva Abraham. Tsk,tsk! He was having sex with his patients.
For some time now I have been looking for a list of synonyms for the term fetus. We are of the belief that there is no difference between the medical term fetus and the vernacular, baby.
I discovered something odd. There are no synonyms for fetus. Hmmmm…Do you suppose that even the dictionary wants to remain politically correct?
What to do…
I finally realized that I was coming at this backwards…so I looked up synonyms for baby…
guess what I found…
ba
So there you have it…
But all accounts and by every dictionary definition…
An abortion is the taking of the life of a BABY.
“the baby of the Supreme Court”
Whoa, is that ever a Freudian slip!
Good work MK!
I agree that the pro-chgoicers highjacked the term fetus for their own purpose.
People have been brainwashed into thinking that a fetus is somehow not human, when in reality it is just describing a stage of growth
Sandy, right!
Are you kidding?
Dental prcedures ARE invasive, and they’re performed in the most filthy, revolting part of your body. Infection is common (I’ve had a dental implant WHOPPER of a strep infection)and anytime you use general anesthesia the death rates escalate.
Here are a few dental-related deaths from just one year in one state: http://www.ombudmhmr.state.mn.us/alerts/dentalsurgery.htm
We’ve had at least two this year in San Bernardino County – a three-year-old and a 33-year-old woman.
Welcome back, Val! We missed you here.
Laura, if you had read Val’s post, you would have noticed that she made a distinction between the invasive and non invasive types of dental work.
Read it again so that you can respond appropriately:
“Dental office that do surgical procedures which is invasive and intrudes on the body – I.E. having to literally cut out a back molar where there is a chance of the jaw being broke – does have to follow ambulatory standards. Basic dental care is extremely different than inserting something into a woman’s cervix. If you would like to see some graphs explaining the differences to you, I’m sure I can find them.”
Laura –
You should read what you post. The very first paragraph:
“After reviewing four unexpected deaths in one year that occurred shortly after outpatient dental surgery, the Medical Review Subcommittee (MRS) speculated that it is possible that the clients, who had been prescribed acetaminophen with codeine (Tylenol #3) or acetaminophen with hydrocodone (Vicodin) for post-op pain relief, had been rapid metabolizers of codeine or hydrocodone, which resulted in levels of morphine much higher than would be explained by the records of medication administration, as revealed by the toxicology studies completed in one of the four cases. Alternatively, the other medications prescribed for the clients, such as the medications used during dental surgery and/or the client
HI PIP!!!
How’s everything?
I can honestly tell you that every dentist’s office I have ever been to was squeaky clean.
My dentist also takes pulse and blood pressure before any procedure which is more than we can say for abortion clinics who feel this would be too much of a time waster on their busy abortion schedules.
Ya, AND they all wore gloves!
Of course you’re going to find quacks in any field, but it seems to run so rampant in the abortion industry. Here are a few quacks that used to be abortion “doctors” Brian Finkel, Dr. Ghali, Lawrence Reich, Dr.Abraham, Dr. Namihas, Dr. Alkoponu. It really shouldn’t be this easy for me. To find that many perverted pulmonologists, I’d have to dig deep.
My dentist won’t do anything until I prove to him that I am on antibiotics…. I have a heart murmur….
Heather, Sandy, me too. And I have been to my fair share of dentists too. They are impossibly clean. I don’t know how they do it.
Blood pressure, pulse, etc …same for me. It is routine practice. The taste of the gloves is awful but at least they use them!
Dentists and oral surgeons are very professional! I have never had any problems after any visits! I always have to answer a bazillion medical questions, before they will even allow me back.[the paper work]
Laura, if you had read Val’s post, you would have noticed that she made a distinction between the invasive and non invasive types of dental work.
Read it again so that you can respond appropriately:
“Dental office that do surgical procedures which is invasive and intrudes on the body – I.E. having to literally cut out a back molar where there is a chance of the jaw being broke – does have to follow ambulatory standards. Basic dental care is extremely different than inserting something into a woman’s cervix.
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1) Nope. There aren’t two codes for dental practices – just one. The jump is made when it involves procedures that require a maxillo-facial surgeon. The standards for MDs are WAY ‘MO stringent than those of a DDS.
2) Dental care is NOT much different than gyne care. The opportinites for infection are pretty similar. The difference being that the flora in your reproductive tract tends to be pretty tame compared to the flora in your mouth. (I’ve been known to grip shoelaces, keys and cash in my teeth. I’ve never done that with my vagina…)
3) The standards were recently a source of discussion where I work. Denist offices often have hardwood floors, fabric on the window treatments and houseplants. If we had those things in our treatment/surgery bays at the “horsepital,” we would be shut down in about two nanoseconds. (Although I really do find those things comforting in my dentist’s office. She also keeps TVs and a nice stash of DVDs and headsets on hand to distract me while she commits carnage in my face.)
I don’t think I can name a dental procedure that I wouldn’t consider “invasive.” Maybe the rinse-and-spit…
Laura, you shoud view the Frontline Videos further down the thread.
I’m not sure, exactly, but I think one of the issues is that they are trying to make clinics that don’t perform surgical abortions have these things. Places that give medical abortions are being told to have scrub sinks and the like too- which is sort of silly.
happy birthday, erin!
Thanks, Heather!
Laura –
“The standards were recently a source of discussion where I work. Denist offices often have hardwood floors, fabric on the window treatments and houseplants. If we had those things in our treatment/surgery bays at the “horsepital,” we would be shut down in about two nanoseconds.”
Exactly what organization would shut you down? Even AAHA can’t shut down an entire practice. They can remove their stickers/plagues and say you are no longer an AAHA hospital and they can recommend that the Dr’s lisence be suspended. But shut them down? Don’t think so. I worked with a vet who had all those things that you mentioned including inadequate oxygen flow and his knowledge of anesthetic was from an elementary book. I turned him in. That was about 8 years ago. He is still working. He doesn’t have that little AAHA sticker/plaque though.
Oh –
and this is from http://www.ada.org american dental association:
Definitions of Recognized Dental Specialties
Approved by the Council on Dental Education and Licensure, American Dental Association
Dental Public Health: Dental public health is the science and art of preventing and controlling dental diseases and promoting dental health through organized community efforts. It is that form of dental practice which serves the community as a patient rather than the individual. It is concerned with the dental health education of the public, with applied dental research, and with the administration of group dental care programs as well as the prevention and control of dental diseases on a community basis. (Adopted May 1976)
Endodontics: Endodontics is the branch of dentistry which is concerned with the morphology, physiology and pathology of the human dental pulp and periradicular tissues. Its study and practice encompass the basic and clinical sciences including biology of the normal pulp, the etiology, diagnosis, prevention and treatment of diseases and injuries of the pulp and associated periradicular conditions. (Adopted December 1983)
Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology: Oral pathology is the specialty of dentistry and discipline of pathology that deals with the nature, identification, and management of diseases affecting the oral and maxillofacial regions. It is a science that investigates the causes, processes, and effects of these diseases. The practice of oral pathology includes research and diagnosis of diseases using clinical, radiographic, microscopic, biochemical, or other examinations. (Adopted May 1991)
Oral and Maxillofacial Radiology: Oral and maxillofacial radiology is the specialty of dentistry and discipline of radiology concerned with the production and interpretation of images and data produced by all modalities of radiant energy that are used for the diagnosis and management of diseases, disorders and conditions of the oral and maxillofacial region. (Adopted April 2001)
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery: Oral and maxillofacial surgery is the specialty of dentistry which includes the diagnosis, surgical and adjunctive treatment of diseases, injuries and defects involving both the functional and esthetic aspects of the hard and soft tissues of the oral and maxillofacial region. (Adopted October 1990)
Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics: Orthodontics and dentofacial orthopedics is the dental specialty that includes the diagnosis, prevention, interception, and correction of malocclusion, as well as neuromuscular and skeletal abnormalities of the developing or mature orofacial structures. (Adopted April 2003)
Pediatric Dentistry: Pediatric Dentistry is an age-defined specialty that provides both primary and comprehensive preventive and therapeutic oral health care for infants and children through adolescence, including those with special health care needs. (Adopted 1995)
Periodontics: Periodontics is that specialty of dentistry which encompasses the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of diseases of the supporting and surrounding tissues of the teeth or their substitutes and the maintenance of the health, function and esthetics of these structures and tissues. (Adopted December 1992)
Prosthodontics: Prosthodontics is the dental specialty pertaining to the diagnosis, treatment planning, rehabilitation and maintenance of the oral function, comfort, appearance and health of patients with clinical conditions associated with missing or deficient teeth and/or oral and maxillofacial tissues using biocompatible substitutes. (Adopted April 2003)
DDS
I can agree. A few years ago I needed to have two wisdom teeth pulled and planned on having this done at my regular dentist’s office with nitrous oxide in addition to the local anesthestic. I can tell you that at my dentist’s office 1)All surfices were clean 2)A one-time use, disposable tips were used on the eqipment which goes into a patient’s mouth and the attached hose or cable is covered with a disposable sanitary plastic barrier 3)Surigcal tools are chemically treated and autoclaved after each patient 4)All rooms have scrub sinks with soap, paper towels, and running hot water 3)All staff wash their hands at the scrub sink and put on single use gloves as well as wear surgical masks before attending to a patient (regardless of the procedure) 4)For receiving nitrous oxide, my blood pressure and level of consciousness was monitered before, during, and after the procedure.
Now this compares to abortion clinics, which have dirt, debris and dried blood on surfaces, one time use equipment (such as suction tubing and cannulas) being re-used without sterilizing or are improperly cleaned with a household detergent, not all rooms have scrub sinks with running hot water, staff did not wash their hands between patients or wear gloves during examinations, procedures, or when handling bodily fluids, and often times staff will only take intial vital signs and pre-write chart for post procedure stats without actually evaluating patient. We’re talking poor health conditions and a lack of regard for patient care or safety.
Although animal dental procedure require intubations most human dental procedures do not. In the dental world regular dentists no longer do surgical procedures. They leave it to the “specialists”.
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Nope. at work we do all kinds of dental procedured on animals without intubation. (You never done a “thumbnail extraction” on a toy dog with two rows of teeth?)
Regular dentists do simple surgical procedures all the time. I myself have had gum tissue excised and grafted by my regular dentist, as well as having a tissue sample biopsied from a weird spot on my upper palate. All tooth extracions are technically regarded as surgical procedures.
Exactly what organization would shut you down? Even AAHA can’t shut down an entire practice.
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AAHA isn’t credentialed to shut down a dirty practice. County and city heath departments can, as well as the USDA.
And also, this is SOME clinics. SOME hospitals are filthy. SOME doctors offices are filthy. A lot of it has to do with the neighborhood the clinic is in-AKA, an inner city hospital is much more likely to be grimy than a hospital in a realatively well-to-do suburb. The same goes with clinics.
The clinic I went to, by the by, was very clean and they took my blood pressure and pulse ;-)
“There aren’t two codes for dental practices – just one.”
Really? Would like to explain that after reading what I just posted?
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I read what you posted. It doesn’t mention a word about health code standars.
I don’t see this as being the dental office filthy conditions being a result. Do you?
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I never claimed that all dental-related deaths were due to filthy conditions. I specifically mention the risks from anesthesia and pain management.
Laura –
You actually consider removing baby teeth that haven’t fallen out an invasive procedure? You are comparing this to having instrument inserted to expand the cervix and then surgical instruments being inserted into the uterus?
I’m talking about dentals where intubation is needed. Not the pulling of teeth that you can do on a dog using just Valium or any other form of minor muscle relaxants…
Once again…. you are comparing having gum tissue excised as invasive? Compared to an abortion? You see, since you just don’t seem to understand, during an abortion surgical instruments are inserted into the body cavity and then these instruments are used to remove tissue from the uterus, which is inside the body cavity. And then sometimes a vaccum is used to suck out the remaining tissue including the uterine lining.
does this sound like have gum tissue removed from your upper palate?
Once again……. Do you really think a dentist would survive a lawsuit like abortionists do? Do you really think dentists are killing as many patients as abortionist do? Do you really think a dentists would be protected by the majority of the liberal media like abortionist are? Do you really think if a dentists office called 911 because a patient was in critical condition and then put the 911 operator on hold because they are told that the ambulance has to have its lights and sirens on would not make every new channel in America? Well, an abortionist by the name of George Tiller got away with that one.
Not to mention the scraping of the uterus. That’s when the possible puncturing can take place.
Please explain to me why this (the ASC regualtions) is something that an abortion mill shouldn’t follow? Don’t you think this would make an abortion safe? Or are you still more interested in dental procedures?
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Why aren’t you lobbying to have dental clinics conform to ASC standards? Wouldn’t that make dental procedures safe?
Laura –
“AAHA isn’t credentialed to shut down a dirty practice. County and city heath departments can, as well as the USDA.”
Cite your source please…
After many years working in animal hospitals I’ve never had the health department visit or even care or know that we are open. and here is the USDA website:
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?navtype=MA&navid=HOME
I can’t find anything on animal hospital closures….but feel free to look. I didn’t have much time and I have to get dinner ready for the family now….
will be back at about 9 after the kids are in bed…
And also, this is SOME clinics. SOME hospitals are filthy. SOME doctors offices are filthy.
And do you find injuries and deaths of women at those clinics acceptable because they’re only some clinics?
Once again…. you are comparing having gum tissue excised as invasive? Compared to an abortion?
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Yes. You’re talking about the exact same type of tissue and environment – not to mention the same types of infection and treatment.
Laura –
“AAHA isn’t credentialed to shut down a dirty practice. County and city heath departments can, as well as the USDA.”
Cite your source please…
After many years working in animal hospitals I’ve never had the health department visit or even care or know that we are open.
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I AM the source. As an evil animal control officer I called in County health and the USDA many times to shut down crappy operations. I’ve never worked in a place that didn’t have the health department through once or even twice a year.
…And now, our FUN FILTH FACT OF THE DAY!:
Tattoo parlours have cleaner equipment than dental offies, and are cited far less often. (I think it’s because tattoo artists are more likely to have clientele who engage in potentially risky behaviors.)
And Laura has effectivly diverted the issue away from the health and safety of abortion clinics to vet offices and dentist offices…
I know.
And Laura has effectivly diverted the issue away from the health and safety of abortion clinics to vet offices and dentist offices…
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…And revealed the fact that every branch of the health care industry has its bad apples.
Are you trying to say that having bad apples in another field make injuries and deaths of women at abortion clinics acceptable?
Laura,
I’ve never worked in a place that didn’t have the health department through once or even twice a year.
…And now, our FUN FILTH FACT OF THE DAY!:
Tattoo parlours have cleaner equipment than dental offies, and are cited far less often. (I think it’s because tattoo artists are more likely to have clientele who engage in potentially risky behaviors.)
Lets see…dental offices aren’t filthy, but deaths do occur. Unaware of any that have been exposed for being dirty…You yourself used to do the inspections and close down animal clinics that had violations. Tattoo parlors are cleans than dentists…
Hmmmm… we’ve listed a hundred abortion clinics with violations ranging from babies in the refrigerator next to lunch, to others have no running water…
Stands to reason you just proved our argument. Abortion clinics are not held to the same standards as Dentists offices, veterinary clinics or Tattoo Parlors…
Which brings us back to the original question. If you are concerned about keeping abortion “safe”, then why doesn’t the lack of reguations infuriate you…?!?!?!?!?!
…And revealed the fact that every branch of the health care industry has its bad apples
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Nobody is arguing that fact…but when a Dentists Office or Doctors Office or Tattoo Parlor is exposed then we get angry. Certainly we take notice, and the places are closed or forced to come up to code.
Not only aren’t these clinics inspected regularly, but even when they ARE inspected nothing will change because A. Nobody is outraged and B. There regualation standards are nill!
You can’t really prove that a tattoo artist has more high risk clientele than a dentist. Back on topic. We are discussing filthy abortion clinics.
Lets see…dental offices aren’t filthy, but deaths do occur. Unaware of any that have been exposed for being dirty…You yourself used to do the inspections and close down animal clinics that had violations. Tattoo parlors are cleans than dentists…
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Google “filthy dental offices.” You’ll get hundred of cases.
If you’re going to make free-standing women’s clinics conform to ASC standards, then make ALL clinics do the same. If Planned Parenthood should be forced to spend millions to meet ASC code, then your private practice dentist can do the same, no?
Please watch the Frontline abortion video. Watch as the abortionist inserts a speculum into Helen’s vagina without gloves!
I googled filthy dentist’s offices. Then I googled filthy abortion clinics. I found more on the abortion clinics.
Laura,
f you’re going to make free-standing women’s clinics conform to ASC standards, then make ALL clinics do the same. If Planned Parenthood should be forced to spend millions to meet ASC code, then your private practice dentist can do the same, no?
OF course…that’s what we’re saying…ALL ambulatory surgical office should be held to the same standard. Dentist offices are. Sometimes they fail…
But abortions clinics are NOT regulated the same way. That’s our point.
Val–
Good! Just started school. A little nervous, this year is going to be difficult, but hopefully I can handle it.
How have you been?
Actually Laura,
This isn’t really a pro choice/pro life question. It’s a question every one of us should be asking.
Why aren’t abortion clinics regulated? I find that horrifying. I don’t want babies dying in these clinics obviously, but I also don’t want women dying in them. To wish otherwise would be to be a hypocrite. I care about ALL life. Babies, mothers, yours and the mailmans…this is a health issue, regardless of what kind of procedures are being done.
I also googled filthy dentist offices and while there are actually more hits (305,000) none of them talked about actual dental offices. It was weird stuff. Check for yourself. But when I googled dirty abortion clinics, I got less hits (103,500) but most of them were actually about filthy abortion clinics…go figure!
Mk, right.
It isn’t a game to see who has more bad apples. Get rid of all of them. If I were to walk into a filthy clinic, I’d leave, and I would report it immediately! Same would go for any doctor or dentist’s office. I wouldn’t want anyone else to be subjected to that.
If you spot a bad dentist, report him! If you see roaches on the floor, report it! Evidently abortion clinics have a ton of health code violations. This includes outdated medications, dried blood on equipment, and sexual perverts working in these mills. How did Brian Finkel get away with 80 reported counts of sex abuse on his patients? That’s a lot! I’ll bet you can’t dig up a dentist with 80 counts.
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Another Former Staffer Testifies Against Abortionist Brian Finkel
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
September 9, 2003
Phoenix, AZ (LifeNews.com) — The trial of abortion practitioner Brian Finkel continues, despite the lack of media coverage outside Phoenix about it. Finkel has been charged with 67 counts of sexually abusing 35 women since 1986 during exams and abortions.
The second week of testimony in the trial began Monday. The first week featured women who accused Finkel of touching their breasts and sexual organs during exams and a former employee of Finkel’s who asked him to stop touching women’s inappropriately.
So far 15 of the 55 people the prosecution plans to call have testified.
Members of Finkel’s staff at the abortion business feared reprisals and kept information about the abuses to themselves.
On Monday another former staff member testified that Finkel frequently inappropriate touched women’s reproductive anatomy and fondled their breasts. Rene Imrisck also said she grew tired of Finkel’s crude remarks
She urged one woman to contact the police following Finkel’s abuse of her. The woman said Finkel jerked her hard down into the stirrups.
Imrisck says Finkel made rude comments about one woman’s bra size and concluded by saying, “I really know my breasts.”
She also said she refused Finkel’s request to touch another patient’s breast, telling him, “I didn’t want to do that.”
Attorney Richard Gierloff, who is representing Finkel, has developed a defense strategy that relies on finding inconsistencies in the testimony women gave to investigators in depositions and what they say on the stand.
Gierloff got Imrisck to tell him that the woman in question has told Finkel she was having problems with a breast implant.
He also pointed out that one woman, a 39 year-old from the Phoenix suburb of Scottsdale, originally told police Finkel fondled her breasts once. During the trial, she said he touched them twice, and Gierloff quickly asked her about the differing accounts.
“That makes it so much better if it says just one,” the woman growled in response.
Gierloff is also asking the jury to decide what is inappropriate.
“What’s improper,” defense attorney Richard Gierloff said. “That’s what a lot of this question is about.”
Finkel claims it is necessary to touch women’s private parts during some exam procedures. However, a Colorado woman said other doctors never touched her the same way or squeezed her nipples during breast exams as Finkel did.
Many of the women who say Finkel abused them never came forward.
“The criminal conduct in this case was kept secret by many of these women for many, many years,” said deputy Maricopa County attorney Blaine Gadow.
Finkel was responsible for performing approximately 20 percent of the abortions done in Arizona.
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In The Courts | Arizona Abortion Provider Convicted of Manslaughter After Patient’s Death
[Feb 21, 2001]
An Arizona jury yesterday found Dr. John Biskind guilty of manslaughter and his assistant, Carol Stuart-Schadoff, guilty of negligent homicide for a “botched abortion” that killed a patient at the A-Z Women’s Center in Phoenix in April 1998, the Arizona Republic reports. The case may be the “first time in Arizona that a doctor has been convicted in the death of a patient,” Maricopa County Attorney Richard Romley said. The jurors concluded that Biskind demonstrated a “reckless disregard” for LouAnne Herron’s life and that Stuart-Schadoff could have prevented her death (Sowers, Arizona Republic, 2/21). An autopsy found that Herron’s uterus had been ruptured by a medical instrument during a late-term abortion and that she had bled to death from the wound. Prosecutors also accused Biskind and Stuart-Schadoff of “ignoring sonograms showing Miss Herron had a pregnancy too advanced to be terminated.” While Arizona law does not set a date after which a physician can no longer perform an abortion, it does prohibits aborting a viable fetus, typically 22 to 26 weeks old. According to prosecutors, seven sonograms performed on Herron revealed her pregnancy to be between 23 weeks and three days to 26 weeks, but six sonograms “were lost or destroyed by the defendants.” The A-Z Women’s Center advertised itself as the only clinic in the state to perform abortion up to 24 weeks (AP/Washington Times, 2/21). The outcome of the trial may have legislative and social implications, as abortion provider Dr. Brian Finkel said that now “every time (abortion foes) want to impede access to care, they will bring up the Biskind case.” Cathi Herrod, legislative director of the antiabortion Center for Arizona Policy, said that the convictions show that “it’s time to pass legislation to protect women when they walk into an abortion clinic” (Billeaud, Associated Press, 2/21). Biskind and Stuart-Schadoff are scheduled to be sentenced on March 20, with Biskind facing probation or up to 12 years in prison and Stuart-Schadoff facing probation or prison time of up to three years (Arizona Republic, 2/21).
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California case shows need for checking doctors’ backgrounds
Monday, December 5, 2005; Posted: 3:52 p.m. EST (20:52 GMT)
Yvette Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after a gynecological exam in 2000.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) — Yvette Chambers said she wasn’t comfortable with the way her doctor touched her, or with his questions about her sex life during a gynecological exam at a Los Angeles-area clinic.
“I was questioning myself as to why I felt so uncomfortable, because it’s a doctor, he’s a doctor. Look at him he’s in a doctor’s (office), his beard’s cleanly cut,” Chambers said.
Then, she says, he asked her out to lunch.
“At that point I realized ‘eww, eww, I have just been molested. I have just been violated. He just asked me out,’ ” Chambers said. ( Watch what happened to her doctor — 5:15)
Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after the February 2000 appointment, adding to a list of allegations that date back to the 1970s, according to documents on file with the California Osteopathic Medical Board — which regulates osteopaths but not medical doctors. Osteopaths have different training than medical doctors but are treated the same under California law.
This case illustrates the wisdom of checking a doctor’s background if any suspicions arise. There were about 700,000 doctors, including osteopaths, practicing in the United States last year, and 5,263 — or less than 1 percent — were disciplined for a variety of infractions, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Physicians are licensed and disciplined by individual state medical boards, so that’s the best place to check to see if a doctor has had complaints or disciplinary action taken against him or her.
“States can do as little or as much as they want,” said Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.
The California Osteopathic Medical Board’s Web site shows that it has taken action against Reich, but it provides few details.
The site shows that he “successfully completed” a 10-year probation period in 1994 and shows that an accusation was filed in 2003. It says that “case is pending. Physician has not yet had a hearing nor been found guilty of these charges.”
The listing does not show that he had his license suspended in 1982, before he was put on probation.
It also does not say that he was arrested in 2002 on sexual battery charges and pleaded no contest to one count of sexual exploitation by a physician, a misdemeanor.
Reich and his attorney could not be reached for comment despite repeated attempts by CNN.
The state osteopathic medical board is scheduled to hold a hearing on his case in February. Reich is free to treat patients until it issues a decision.
The site also lets users know how to get the full public case file.
Those documents include allegations that he fondled one woman during an exam, asked her if it felt good and then kissed her. Another woman said that Reich was sexually excited during an exam and asked her to stimulate herself so that he could diagnose an infection. Another said he asked her to stimulate herself in front of him and later asked her to demonstrate an oral sex technique on his thumb.
Wolfe said that while restaurants and cars get regular inspections and safety checks, doctors can, for the most part, keep their licenses for life.
“There isn’t anywhere near the scrutiny — Consumer Reports regularly tests auto safety, so if you want to buy a car and want to find out the comparisons between one car and another in terms of safety there are objective data there,” Wolfe said. “There’s just nothing like that for physicians.”
“What you see on the Web site is the tiny fraction of physicians that have done such horrendous things that they have come to medical board attention and, depending on what state they’ve gotten in, they’ve either gotten a slap on the wrist or they may have their license revoked or suspended,” Wolfe said.
Dr. James Thompson, head of the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSM), says that 80 percent of doctors facing disciplinary action have licenses in more than one state.
Because each board is independent, the only way to do a thorough check is to contact the boards in all 50 states.
There are services that will do that for a fee. The FSM’s http://www.docinfo.org will check out physicians for $9.95 a report.
“A disciplinary action against a physician doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad; someone with no record of disciplinary action isn’t necessarily good,” Thompson said. “Check with friends and other physicians when checking out a doctor.”
Thompson said that states have different rules and that some actions involve administrative problems or violations, like drunken driving, that are not directly related to a doctor’s medical ability.
CNN’s Ted Rowlands, David Williams and Michael Squadron contributed to this report.
Heather,
Biskind and Stuart-Schadoff should be lined up in front of firing squad and executed.
okay – I found it…
Dentist in America and Canada are considered Ambulatory Health Care facilities. From http://www.ada.org
New standards for ambulatory dental practices are listed here:
Dental services are consistent with the definition of dentistry according to state regulations.
Dental services performed in the facilities owned and operated by the organization are limited to those procedures that are approved by the governing body.
Dental procedures are performed only by dental health professionals who are licensed to perform such procedures within the applicable state or jurisdiction; and have been granted privileges to perform those procedures by the governing body of the organization (in accordance with the Handbook, Chapter 2.11).
Personnel assisting in the provision of dental services are appropriately qualified and available in sufficient numbers for the dental procedures provided.
An appropriate history and physical is conducted and periodically updated, which includes an assessment of the hard and soft tissues of the mouth.
The organization develops policies and procedures related to the identification, treatment and management of pain.
The necessity or appropriateness of the proposed dental procedure(s), as well as alternative treatments and the order of care, have been discussed with the patient prior to delivery of services.
The informed consent of the patient is obtained and incorporated into the dental record prior to the procedure(s).
Imaging services provided or made available meet all the standards of Chapter 17 of the handbook and the organization has guidelines to address the type, frequency and indications for diagnostic radiographs.
The organization has a mechanism in place to evaluate and monitor dental products that the organization makes available for sale to patients to ensure such practices are done in an ethical manner.
Now that we know dentists have to be regulated, why don’t abortionists?
I did notice that Laura never did answer my question on the ASC list of regulations and why she thinks abortionist should have to follow them.
I have much much much more to say, however the above posts are right. We need to get back on the subject of abortionists.
PIP –
Things are well here. What classes are you taking? I’m about to go nuts actually – my son is in all day kindergarten and I miss him! He still doesn’t communicate well so it is scary to let him out into the big world. If something bad happens, he can’t really tell us what it is. AAAHHHHH!!!!
I feel better now…..
;-)
Aww Valerie, it will be okay :)
I’m taking:
Medical Terminology
Principles of Genetics (unannounced quizzes? No tests dropped? Is the man crazy?)
Christian Morality: Health Care (TONS of reading, and my teacher seems really difficult, but I plan to pull through)
Principles of Christian Morality
Literature of Ridicule and Satire (pretty excited about this one, I started a 30 minute conversation on Stephen Colbert today ;)
“Once again…. you are comparing having gum tissue excised as invasive? Compared to an abortion?
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Laura: Yes. You’re talking about the exact same type of tissue and environment – not to mention the same types of infection and treatment.”
ok, whatever you say Laura…
“Christian Morality: ”
“Principles of Christian Morality”
PIP, why are you talking these courses when you mock Christian churches in your own film?
Well, I’m going into the health field and we are required to take theology classes, and I’m interested in ethical issues and…
…wait. I don’t think I ever expressed how I feel about religion or Christianity in particular. And our film mocked everythign about our home town, it was not directed at CHRISTIANITY itself. I thought I made that very clear from the beginning here (when I said all offensive material is most likely satirical about our little town?).
Should I go on??
What I’m saying is jasper, our film is not representative of our ideas at all, as Cory and I differ on many things concerning religion and our film was not aimed at exploring the nuances of Christianity and our detailed thoughts about it.
It’s called comedy.
hey folks … many here are for social justice, so I thought this more than appropriate … we PL’ers are going away & we will not forget the truth ……. just got this …………..
History should NOT be ignored
Every one should see this…………………………..
Miami Memorial USA
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
In Memorial
Recently this week, UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it “offended” the Moslem population which claims it never occurred. This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the
six million Jews,
20 million Russians,
10 million Christians
and 1,900 Catholic priests
who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russia peoples looking the other way!
Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be “a myth,” it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!
Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us distribute it around the world. Please send this e-mail to others and ask them to continue the memorial chain.
Please don’t just delete it. It will only take you a minute to pass this along – Thanks!
jaspr, I agree. Don’t they all sound like a bunch of winners? [my 3 posts on abortionists]
correction ………………. to the above
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp
PIP –
Wow that is a heavy load. You will have to keep us informed of the two Christian classes. I’m very interested in what they are about and what they say.
I’ve been thinking of getting certified in Medical Transcription so I can work from home. (My Dad has connections in hosptial around here.) So, if I decide to do that, I’ll be taking medical terminology (Again!)too!
John – Thanks for the correction. When I read your first post I was shocked! However, there are many high schools around here that don’t even teach history anymore. The only history they get is in elementary and middle school. It’s just so sad! I can’t remember anything I learned from grades 1-8! (Also, much of high school is gone too….but at least I got a basic foundation..)
Valerie-
I too am very interested in my Christian classes and hope I both do well and learn a lot from my classes.
Medical Terminology is one of my classes I”m pretty excited about!! It is a glimpse into the real world–a class that will truly apply to my career. We should be Med Term buddies ;)
“What I’m saying is jasper, our film is not representative of our ideas at all, as Cory and I differ on many things concerning religion and our film was not aimed at exploring the nuances of Christianity and our detailed thoughts about it.”
Ok thanks PIP…It was kinda funny…I like the book found in the trash that you gave as a gift to your friend LOL.
haha thanks, jasper! It is also one of my favorite scenes ;)
Sorry :(
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