Announcing 3rd Annual Margaret Sanger at the KKK Rally Art Contest
Read about contest on page 2. Here’s a previous winner:
Our troupe has many artists, some who we have showcased. So I’m sure your creative juices will flow with my announcement of the 3rd Annual Margaret Sanger at the Ku Klux Klan Rally Art Contest! Go to The Truth About Margaret Sanger for rules.
I’m honored to have been selected as a judge! I should warn you, though, I’m more a Simon Cowell type than Paula Abdul type.
The contest, which runs through October, marks the 81st anniversary of Margaret Sanger’s speech to the Women’s Branch of the Silver Lake Ku Klux Klan. So entries must involve that exciting KKK theme:
Participants in this year’s contest are encouraged to commemorate Sanger at the Klan rally in unique artistic ways. Drawings, cartoons, historical novels, haiku, dance, plays, videos, paintings, quilts, rap, puppetry, modern interpretations of Sanger speaking to the Klan, reenactments of the speech on YouTube, mime, audio recordings of actual Sanger quotes she may have reused when speaking to the Klan – there is no limit to the artistic ways this historic event can be commemorated. Please note, this year we will not be accepting photoshopped entries.
Good luck! I’ll post the winning artwork when it is announced November 1.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This makes me wish I was even remotely good at art.
As we were discussing yesterday, abortion hasn’t cut down on the number of children people are having. It’s not uncommon to meet a woman who aborts, and a month or 2 later, she’s pregnant again, and this time she’s keeping it. Same guy. Same situation. What has abortion solved?
One of my girlfriends was black and she lived in the projects. { I don’t see her anymore d/t a job change.] She had 8 children, and she was trying to have more with her boyfriend. She confided to me one day that she’d had an abortion in between her 7th and 8th child. She added, “I just couldn’t see myself having anything long term with him.”…meaning past B/F.
Hmm, I might just enter.
You go Bethany…
“She had 8 children, and she was trying to have more with her boyfriend. She confided to me one day that she’d had an abortion in between her 7th and 8th child. She added, “I just couldn’t see myself having anything long term with him.”…meaning past B/F.”
So does she have these guys children so they’ll stay with her? I feel bad for the fathers and children.
But it would have also sucked if she had a child with that man and then lost interest in him and consequentially the child.
Bethany, if you enter, you’ll win. Hands down. You’re the most talented artist I know. Painting, drawing, sculpting. You’re a triple threat!
jess, that’s what I mean by abortion. Ever hear KEEP ONE, KILL ONE? We are picking and choosing which kid we see fit to live or die.
jess, if my friend found the guy fit to “bed down” with, she should have accepted the pregnancy that followed the sex.
I second what Jacqueline said. I still think that the one picture you drew of the man with his face in his hands is a photo. Simply incredible. God love you.
Yes, Bethany, go girl! I was thinking Rae might be interested as well. Her interpretation of Sanger and the KKK would be fascinating. Yikes – I’ll have to tell the gentleman running the contest to show me results with no names or I’ll be swayed.
That is SO archaic…
Why don’t you do something more contemporary, more relevent – you know –
Ooooooooh! How about the pro-life terrorist art contest? We can make papier-mache effigies of innocent bystanders at the Olympic games and have Eric Rudolph cut ’em down with a nail bomb!
Wait! I’ve got it! The Ted Haggard family-values art contest…
Laura,
You are disgusting. You are always flying around here on your broom just waiting to make some ridiculous or hurtful comments.
You better fly home. I bet your pot o’ brew is just about ready for dinner and needs one last stir.
Laura,
You are disgusting. You are always flying around here on your broom just waiting to make some ridiculous or hurtful comments.
You better fly home. I bet your pot o’ brew is just about ready for dinner and needs one last stir.
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I make DELICIOUS brew.
You do know, of course, that Margaret Sanger did more to avert abortion than any other person on Earth? That she promoted birth control and was militantly anti-abortion back when abortion was lethal?
The woman was flawed, but so was Mother Theresa.
Read the Christopher Hitchens book about her.
Laura,
Eric Rudolph a pro-life terrorist? What would pro-lifers have against the Olympics? What did Rudolph have against the Olympics? He also bombed a gay bar. What does a gay bar have to do with the pro-life cause? Personally, I have no strong feelings about gay people either way.
Eric Rudolph was a twisted lunatic, like the Unibomber, murderers who both deserve to rot in prison. I’m only thankful they can never harm another person for whatever reason they sees fit.
http://www.armyofgod.com/EricRudolphHomepage.html
Laura must be the comic relief here. Yes, we’ll read Chris Hitchens’ book about Mother Teresa. Then for an equally relevant, objective, and well-informed point of view, we’ll read Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s book about Elton John.
Plus I like your suggestions for an art contest, Laura. I would love to see the pro-abort websites covered with anti-Catholic images. Let’s see their true colors, in color. Might I suggest Pope Benedict XVI dressed like a Nazi? That one’s just so clever! Added benefit: If the pro-aborts are busy drawing pictures of priests raping children, they won’t have time to kill any kids.
Why don’t you do something more contemporary, more relevent – you know – like the pro-life priest sodomizing a child art contest.
There are so many living priests to choose from, and maybe we could get one to do an interpretive dance.
Ooooooooh! How about the pro-life terrorist art contest? We can make papier-mache effigies of innocent bystanders at the Olympic games and have Eric Rudolph cut ’em down with a nail bomb!
The obvious difference between these situations and the Margaret Sanger situation is that:
The Catholic church does not publicly hold a day of celebration in honor of perverted “priests”, in fact they denounce them publicly.
The pro-life crowd does not publicly hold a day of celebration in honor of terrorists, and in fact they denounce them publicly.
Etc…etc…
Planned Parenthood DOES publicly hold a day of celebration in honor of a racist Nazi scumbag of a woman, Margaret Sanger. And they lie about her, saying she is a hero, just as you do.
That is the difference.
Laura, you can’t use a website formed by two obviously confused individuals to declare it represents the views of the typical pro-lifer.
Especially when ACTUAL pro-life organizations denounce such people and their actions.
Jacque, Bobby, Jill, MK, awwww thanks!!
Laura,
You are so incredibly offensive I can’t even believe you are human. I guess that’s why you work with animals. You must not have any friends since you don’t get along with those who walk upright on two feet.
You once again prove your ignorance and stupidity in so many ways. All of your misdirected comments deserve a response, but I don’t have enough time so I will address one.
How dare you mock any family for honoring their baby who has died.
I work on a steering committee for a pregnancy loss conference. The chair of our committee lost her son around 20 weeks to a fatal anomaly.
She delivered him, bathed him, dressed him and had family come to hold him and honor him throughout his birth day. Her husband played his guitar and sang to him on and off through the day. The foundation she started to fund our conference is named after her son. She wears a bracelet with his name engraved on it. Any comments you want to pass on to her? Since she is very pro-choice I am sure she would love to hear what you have to say.
Laura, Laura, Laura,
After the add that just came out for the Folsom Street Fair in Frisco, I’m afraid we might have to delete your little tirade…I’ll check with the boss first, but I’m pretty sure you just crossed a line.
I guess I’m just a little tired of easy pot shots at Our Lord and our Church.
Really Laura, sometimes you can use humor to get your point across…but this should be beneath you.
I’m thinking exorcism…
I guess I’m just a little tired of easy pot shots at Our Lord and our Church.
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Uh, but I didn’t.
I took a shot at pedophile priests. Considering they’ve cost the Church close over a billion dollars, a lot of Catholics would LOVE a clean shot at them too…
No Laura, You took a shot at my church. You took a shot at a man that is grieving over his dead baby, you took a shot at pro-lifers by associating them with a lunatic and you’d take a shot at God himself if your aim was any good. And I’m sick and tired of the church being demeaned. Why don’t you take a shot at some muslims for a change? See how well that goes over. I’ll be sure to forward it to a site about Islam…and sign your name…
How dare you mock any family for honoring their baby who has died.
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OK, just TOO WEIRD…
“In his Senate office, on a shelf next to an autographed baseball, Sen. Rick Santorum keeps a framed photo of his son Gabriel Michael, the fourth of his seven children. Named for two archangels, Gabriel Michael was born prematurely, at 20 weeks, on Oct. 11, 1996, and lived two hours outside the womb.
Upon their son’s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen’s parents’ home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.”
The article goes on to mention that the dead fetus spent the night between Santorum and his wife…
No Laura, You took a shot at my church.
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Does your church consist ENTIRELY of pedophile priests? No?
I thought I was pretty specific.
Laura,
I’m not gonna argue with ya. Unless you’re telling me that you have the utmost respect for the Catholic Church and you would never, ever, ever diss Her, I’m going to take your comments in the vein they were meant. You hate the church and use any and all excuses you can think of to bash Her. Today it just happened to be another easy shot at Her priests.
Laura,
You are so incredibly offensive I can’t even believe you are human. I guess that’s why you work with animals.
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Every animal I work with is accompanied by a person who is hysterical, shell-shocked, angry, anxiety-riddled, or grieving.
That’s the nature of emergency medicine.
I’m fabulous with people, or I wouldn’t have lasted 10 minutes.
All right, the boss just checked in and I’ve been told to delete it.
Today it just happened to be another easy shot at Her priests.
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Re-read my original entry.
I SPECIFIED pedophile priests, not priests in general.
(What is the Folsom St. ad like? It’s always been offensive – even to a heretic like myself.)
http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/images/Folsom-big.jpg
So you’ll have to forgive me if I’m a little touchy today.
I don’t even think I would have cared about the pedophile crack if you hadn’t made it so visual by describing the act itself. Tact Laura. Tact.
MK- I do wonder if you think that the wide-spread issues with pedophilia among the Catholic clergy are being handled effectively? I would have much less issue with the Catholic church if they would actually REMOVE the priests who have performed these kind of illegal acts rather than just moving them from congregation to congregation. It doesn’t seem to me that the issue is being handled effectively- and I think that the issue is that the Catholic clergy is having a difficult time finding enough people responding to the call to be clergymen. What are your thoughts on the issue? I’m not trying to attack the Church, really, I’m not. I just haven’t ever been able to get a Catholic’s point of view on the issues in the Vatican lately.
Laura,
The link only proves my point. Rudolph is a twisted lunatic.
Laura,
Yet again, you prove yourself ignorant. Many many many families who have had stillborns opt for taking their babies home to grieve with them and their families. I have attended perinatal loss conferences and met with many many families. They all honor and cherish the photos they have of their losses and display them proudly. Bereavement photography is very very popular. The upcoming conference we are having has a session on bereavement photography so families have memories of their babies. See Laura, it’s all about choice. These families made the choice to honor their little ones. I would think you would support this as it is choice.
Eric Rudolf was NOT pro life. He could have said so, but that didn’t make it so. Jim Jones claimed to be a man of God. Obviously, he wasn’t.
MK
Are you aware that many Christian Protestants believe the RCC to be the great whore described in Revelations? Are you aware that many also believe the Popes to be the embodiment of the Antichrist?
It isn’t difficult to understand when so many Protestants were persecuted by the RCC. Much like the Catholics of the UK.
I personally believe all organized religions capable of much hatred and fear mongering.
I know a man that was sodomized by a priest as a child in Wisconsin. It’s odd to me that the details of what these perverts do is too much for your delicate sensibilities. Perhaps it is why you buy PL fabrications like the Silent Scream.
By the way, that priest in Wisconsin ended up in a RCC ‘rehab’ in the beautiful Jemez, NM and then set loose on unsuspecting parishiners right here in NM just to repeat his perversions.
Hmmmm. You wish to force medical professionals to ascertain the age of the partners of sexually active under age of consent girls and report statutory rape yet have no problem with the RCC harboring child rapists?
I don’t understand your reasoning.
And why do you keep bringing up molesting priests, Laura? When I posted list after list of molesting abortionists, you didn’t even address it. If a priest is caught molesting, throw the book at him! Why weren’t you able to say the same about your molesting abortionists? I am pro woman and pro child. That includes any type of molestation from anybody!!
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Another Former Staffer Testifies Against Abortionist Brian Finkel
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
September 9, 2003
Phoenix, AZ (LifeNews.com) — The trial of abortion practitioner Brian Finkel continues, despite the lack of media coverage outside Phoenix about it. Finkel has been charged with 67 counts of sexually abusing 35 women since 1986 during exams and abortions.
The second week of testimony in the trial began Monday. The first week featured women who accused Finkel of touching their breasts and sexual organs during exams and a former employee of Finkel’s who asked him to stop touching women’s inappropriately.
So far 15 of the 55 people the prosecution plans to call have testified.
Members of Finkel’s staff at the abortion business feared reprisals and kept information about the abuses to themselves.
On Monday another former staff member testified that Finkel frequently inappropriate touched women’s reproductive anatomy and fondled their breasts. Rene Imrisck also said she grew tired of Finkel’s crude remarks
She urged one woman to contact the police following Finkel’s abuse of her. The woman said Finkel jerked her hard down into the stirrups.
Imrisck says Finkel made rude comments about one woman’s bra size and concluded by saying, “I really know my breasts.”
She also said she refused Finkel’s request to touch another patient’s breast, telling him, “I didn’t want to do that.”
Attorney Richard Gierloff, who is representing Finkel, has developed a defense strategy that relies on finding inconsistencies in the testimony women gave to investigators in depositions and what they say on the stand.
Gierloff got Imrisck to tell him that the woman in question has told Finkel she was having problems with a breast implant.
He also pointed out that one woman, a 39 year-old from the Phoenix suburb of Scottsdale, originally told police Finkel fondled her breasts once. During the trial, she said he touched them twice, and Gierloff quickly asked her about the differing accounts.
“That makes it so much better if it says just one,” the woman growled in response.
Gierloff is also asking the jury to decide what is inappropriate.
“What’s improper,” defense attorney Richard Gierloff said. “That’s what a lot of this question is about.”
Finkel claims it is necessary to touch women’s private parts during some exam procedures. However, a Colorado woman said other doctors never touched her the same way or squeezed her nipples during breast exams as Finkel did.
Many of the women who say Finkel abused them never came forward.
“The criminal conduct in this case was kept secret by many of these women for many, many years,” said deputy Maricopa County attorney Blaine Gadow.
Finkel was responsible for performing approximately 20 percent of the abortions done in Arizona.
Sally, that’s ridiculous to say MK has” no problem with the RCC haboring child rapists.” You are way out of line on that one. You owe her an apology as far as I am concerned.
Sally, would you care to start defending these molesting perverted abortionists? I’ve got lots of them.
And why do you keep bringing up molesting priests, Laura? When I posted list after list of molesting abortionists, you didn’t even address it. If a priest is caught molesting, throw the book at him! Why weren’t you able to say the same about your molesting abortionists? I am pro woman and pro child. That includes any type of molestation from anybody!!
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 6:38 PM
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Do you consider doctors the equivolent of priests? Do you go to your gyn for communion and your priest a pap?
Does the medical community have a retreat set up to ‘rehab’ their child rapists?
Quotes to Note
“Comparing the maternal mortality risk of childbirth to that of abortion, when proper weight is given to the increased risk of breast cancer and suicide due to abortion, and the decreased risk of ovarian cancer with full-term pregnancy, abortion is many times more hazardous to the mother in the long run than carrying a child to term.”
— Chris Kahlenborn M.D., “Breast Cancer: Abortion and the Pill”
Abortion Providers Seem Prone to Crime
A Texas pro-life activist says he has collected 8,000 examples over the last decade of abortionists participating in crimes, including sexual assault, sexual harassment and murder.
Mark Crutcher [founder and president of Life Dynamics] says he hopes that by sharing his information, he can “better educate the public on the evils surrounding abortion.”
Through television appearances, books, speaking engagements and articles, Crutcher uses his files as a public education tool.
He also runs an Internet site, ClinicWorker.com, that encourages abortion workers to report possible crimes before being implicated themselves.
Crutcher focuses not only on the act of abortion, “but also the kind of people involved, and the things that happen to women who enter these clinics.”
One high-profile case involves Arizona abortionist Brian Finkle, who is scheduled to go on trial in August for allegedly sexually assaulting nine of his patients. After Finkle was arrested last October, roughly 80 women came forward to accuse the doctor of sexual misconduct.
The case involving Oklahoma abortionist John Hamilton has also attracted a lot of publicity. Hamilton was sentenced Jan. 9 to life in prison without parole for the Valentine’s Day 2001 murder of his wife, Susan, who was beaten and strangled. “When you’re a medical person, you know what you’re doing when you take a human life” through abortion, Crutcher said. “And if you can do that, there’s not much else you won’t do.”
However, a representative from National Abortion Federation insisted, “The history of violence clearly lies on the side of those against choice.”
NAF keeps track of the violence targeting abortionists and abortion clinics. According to the group’s Web site, seven “abortion providers” have been murdered in America since 1993. The most recent of these is New York’s Dr. Barnett Slepian, who was shot and killed in his home in 1998. NAF also lists 17 cases of attempted murder since 1991 and 41 bombings since 1977, all targeting “abortion providers.” The NAF representative refused to identify herself, and requests for more reaction to Crutcher’s findings were ignored. Telephone calls seeking comment from National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League also were not returned.
‘Easier to Hurt Other People’
British Columbia psychiatrist Philip Ney said he has worked with former abortionists who admitted that something inside of them changed for the worse after performing abortions.
“There’s an instinctual restraint in humans that keeps them from harming a helpless child. If that restraint is damaged, it becomes easier to hurt other people,” Ney said.
A common crime committed by abortionists, Crutcher said, is the sexual assault of patients. He dedicated a chapter in his pro-life book “Lime 5” to the issue, documenting dozens of cases in which abortionists sexually violated women.
But tracking all instances of sexual assault by abortionists is impossible, Crutcher said, because there are many “clandestine” doctors who perform abortions as part of their regular ob-gyn practice without the public’s knowledge. Also, many rapes go unreported, especially if the woman has something to hide such as an abortion, he said.
According to Crutcher, teen-age patients are easy prey for abortionists who know their victims are unlikely to speak out about the crime.
“If your morals and human instincts are so corrupted that you can kill an unborn human baby, sex with a 15-year-old girl isn’t a big deal,” he said.
Another group, Operation Rescue of Boston, also maintains a record of abortionists involved in crime. One abortionist on their list, Daniel Holschauer, was found to have been involved in sexual misconduct, harassment, stalking, extortion and drug abuse in a study by the New York State Department of Health.
California Right to Life also issued an “Abortion Crime Report” that listed crimes such as murder, kidnapping, rape, stalking, death threats and more, committed by abortionists.
One former abortionist on its list, Ivan Namihas, was charged with four counts of rape, 45 incidents of sexual abuse, gross negligence and mail fraud.
A spokesman for American Medical Association said the organization knew of no studies comparing the number of crimes committed by abortionists with the number of crimes committed by doctors in other fields. [Dawn Rizzoni, CNSNews.com , Jan. 22, 2002] 22Jan02 marked the 29th anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court’s Roe vs. Wade decision that legalized abortion in the United States.
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Sally, come on. Get going.
California case shows need for checking doctors’ backgrounds
Monday, December 5, 2005; Posted: 3:52 p.m. EST (20:52 GMT)
Yvette Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after a gynecological exam in 2000.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) — Yvette Chambers said she wasn’t comfortable with the way her doctor touched her, or with his questions about her sex life during a gynecological exam at a Los Angeles-area clinic.
“I was questioning myself as to why I felt so uncomfortable, because it’s a doctor, he’s a doctor. Look at him he’s in a doctor’s (office), his beard’s cleanly cut,” Chambers said.
Then, she says, he asked her out to lunch.
“At that point I realized ‘eww, eww, I have just been molested. I have just been violated. He just asked me out,’ ” Chambers said. ( Watch what happened to her doctor — 5:15)
Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after the February 2000 appointment, adding to a list of allegations that date back to the 1970s, according to documents on file with the California Osteopathic Medical Board — which regulates osteopaths but not medical doctors. Osteopaths have different training than medical doctors but are treated the same under California law.
This case illustrates the wisdom of checking a doctor’s background if any suspicions arise. There were about 700,000 doctors, including osteopaths, practicing in the United States last year, and 5,263 — or less than 1 percent — were disciplined for a variety of infractions, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Physicians are licensed and disciplined by individual state medical boards, so that’s the best place to check to see if a doctor has had complaints or disciplinary action taken against him or her.
“States can do as little or as much as they want,” said Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.
The California Osteopathic Medical Board’s Web site shows that it has taken action against Reich, but it provides few details.
The site shows that he “successfully completed” a 10-year probation period in 1994 and shows that an accusation was filed in 2003. It says that “case is pending. Physician has not yet had a hearing nor been found guilty of these charges.”
The listing does not show that he had his license suspended in 1982, before he was put on probation.
It also does not say that he was arrested in 2002 on sexual battery charges and pleaded no contest to one count of sexual exploitation by a physician, a misdemeanor.
Reich and his attorney could not be reached for comment despite repeated attempts by CNN.
The state osteopathic medical board is scheduled to hold a hearing on his case in February. Reich is free to treat patients until it issues a decision.
The site also lets users know how to get the full public case file.
Those documents include allegations that he fondled one woman during an exam, asked her if it felt good and then kissed her. Another woman said that Reich was sexually excited during an exam and asked her to stimulate herself so that he could diagnose an infection. Another said he asked her to stimulate herself in front of him and later asked her to demonstrate an oral sex technique on his thumb.
Wolfe said that while restaurants and cars get regular inspections and safety checks, doctors can, for the most part, keep their licenses for life.
“There isn’t anywhere near the scrutiny — Consumer Reports regularly tests auto safety, so if you want to buy a car and want to find out the comparisons between one car and another in terms of safety there are objective data there,” Wolfe said. “There’s just nothing like that for physicians.”
“What you see on the Web site is the tiny fraction of physicians that have done such horrendous things that they have come to medical board attention and, depending on what state they’ve gotten in, they’ve either gotten a slap on the wrist or they may have their license revoked or suspended,” Wolfe said.
Dr. James Thompson, head of the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSM), says that 80 percent of doctors facing disciplinary action have licenses in more than one state.
Because each board is independent, the only way to do a thorough check is to contact the boards in all 50 states.
There are services that will do that for a fee. The FSM’s http://www.docinfo.org will check out physicians for $9.95 a report.
“A disciplinary action against a physician doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad; someone with no record of disciplinary action isn’t necessarily good,” Thompson said. “Check with friends and other physicians when checking out a doctor.”
Thompson said that states have different rules and that some actions involve administrative problems or violations, like drunken driving, that are not directly related to a doctor’s medical ability.
CNN’s Ted Rowlands, David Williams and Michael Squadron contributed to this report.
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California case shows need for checking doctors’ backgrounds
Monday, December 5, 2005; Posted: 3:52 p.m. EST (20:52 GMT)
Yvette Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after a gynecological exam in 2000.
Image:
RELATED
? Federation of State Medical Boards
FSMB medical board directory
? Public Citizen
WHERE TO CHECK
Federation of State Medical Boards: http://www.docinfo.org/
ChoiceTrust: http://www.choicetrust.com YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS
doctors
or Create Your Own
Manage Alerts | What Is This? LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) — Yvette Chambers said she wasn’t comfortable with the way her doctor touched her, or with his questions about her sex life during a gynecological exam at a Los Angeles-area clinic.
“I was questioning myself as to why I felt so uncomfortable, because it’s a doctor, he’s a doctor. Look at him he’s in a doctor’s (office), his beard’s cleanly cut,” Chambers said.
Then, she says, he asked her out to lunch.
“At that point I realized ‘eww, eww, I have just been molested. I have just been violated. He just asked me out,’ ” Chambers said. ( Watch what happened to her doctor — 5:15)
Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after the February 2000 appointment, adding to a list of allegations that date back to the 1970s, according to documents on file with the California Osteopathic Medical Board — which regulates osteopaths but not medical doctors. Osteopaths have different training than medical doctors but are treated the same under California law.
This case illustrates the wisdom of checking a doctor’s background if any suspicions arise. There were about 700,000 doctors, including osteopaths, practicing in the United States last year, and 5,263 — or less than 1 percent — were disciplined for a variety of infractions, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Physicians are licensed and disciplined by individual state medical boards, so that’s the best place to check to see if a doctor has had complaints or disciplinary action taken against him or her.
“States can do as little or as much as they want,” said Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.
The California Osteopathic Medical Board’s Web site shows that it has taken action against Reich, but it provides few details.
The site shows that he “successfully completed” a 10-year probation period in 1994 and shows that an accusation was filed in 2003. It says that “case is pending. Physician has not yet had a hearing nor been found guilty of these charges.”
The listing does not show that he had his license suspended in 1982, before he was put on probation.
It also does not say that he was arrested in 2002 on sexual battery charges and pleaded no contest to one count of sexual exploitation by a physician, a misdemeanor.
Reich and his attorney could not be reached for comment despite repeated attempts by CNN.
The state osteopathic medical board is scheduled to hold a hearing on his case in February. Reich is free to treat patients until it issues a decision.
The site also lets users know how to get the full public case file.
Those documents include allegations that he fondled one woman during an exam, asked her if it felt good and then kissed her. Another woman said that Reich was sexually excited during an exam and asked her to stimulate herself so that he could diagnose an infection. Another said he asked her to stimulate herself in front of him and later asked her to demonstrate an oral sex technique on his thumb.
Wolfe said that while restaurants and cars get regular inspections and safety checks, doctors can, for the most part, keep their licenses for life.
“There isn’t anywhere near the scrutiny — Consumer Reports regularly tests auto safety, so if you want to buy a car and want to find out the comparisons between one car and another in terms of safety there are objective data there,” Wolfe said. “There’s just nothing like that for physicians.”
“What you see on the Web site is the tiny fraction of physicians that have done such horrendous things that they have come to medical board attention and, depending on what state they’ve gotten in, they’ve either gotten a slap on the wrist or they may have their license revoked or suspended,” Wolfe said.
Dr. James Thompson, head of the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSM), says that 80 percent of doctors facing disciplinary action have licenses in more than one state.
Because each board is independent, the only way to do a thorough check is to contact the boards in all 50 states.
There are services that will do that for a fee. The FSM’s http://www.docinfo.org will check out physicians for $9.95 a report.
“A disciplinary action against a physician doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad; someone with no record of disciplinary action isn’t necessarily good,” Thompson said. “Check with friends and other physicians when checking out a doctor.”
Thompson said that states have different rules and that some actions involve administrative problems or violations, like drunken driving, that are not directly related to a doctor’s medical ability.
CNN’s Ted Rowlands, David Williams and Michael Squadron contributed to this report.
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Laura,
Yet again, you prove yourself ignorant. Many many many families who have had stillborns opt for taking their babies home to grieve with them and their families.
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Excuse me?
The first story on this site is about a woman who kept her dead fetuses at home, and everyone wants her sent to prison!
What’s the difference between her and Santorum?
I’ve posted an independent research finding of the Pedolphilia priests several times. I don’t have time to find it, but will after the kids go to bed.
In a nutshell.
Approxamately 4% of priests have been accused of molestation. (this does not excuse this). Out of these well over three fourths of them were ordained priests in the 1960’s and 1970’s. You know, the time of free love and such. Also, many of the accused have either died, are in jail or cannot be found. Out of the ones that died and cannot be found the Vatican took the complaint at its word even though there was not any evidence.
Should I go over the statistic of the New York City School System? The one that shuffles teachers and administration from school to school even though they have been accused of molestation? Should I mention the other religious denomination that has had problems with their minister, preachers and such?
All these people should go to jail and the key should be thrown away. Do we judge the New york City Schools based on the percentage of teachers that have abused a child? No. Do we judge the other religious affiliations that have had these problems as well? No.
Priest are human. Priests make mistakes. They are not perfect. Some need to go to jail and have the key thrown away.
Why is the entire Catholic faith being judged on 4% of their priests?
Why is the entire Catholic faith being judged on 4% of their priests?
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Why judge Planned Parenthood on 3% of it’s business?
Do I consider doctors the equivalent of priests. If an abortionist molests a woman, and a priest molests a child…….of course! The crimes are both sexually violating to the victim. Valerie, great post!!
Sally, come on. Get going.
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 6:53 PM
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Huh? So sorry. I’m doing genealogy research for a coworker. Fascinating stuff! I digress.
Did you address something to me?
I’ll jet back and read what you have written. While doing research I tend to target on names, dates, places etc while scanning through mostly useless words to find factual and usefull information.
I promise to attempt to slow down and put as much weight into your posts as you have by posting them.
Sally, that’s ridiculous to say MK has” no problem with the RCC haboring child rapists.” You are way out of line on that one. You owe her an apology as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: Carrie at September 26, 2007 6:44 PM
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Carrie
I’m sure that MK is a big girl. She can answer for herself or not. You are out of line for speaking for another. And you owe me an apology for gettin’ over your raisin’. Unless you were raised to butt into a conversation of course. But that would make you tactless and unrefined in the social arts. @@ : ) Lighten up chica.
Erin,
The pedophile priests were pretty much what you’d expect in any large group of men. A percentage is not gonna be in it for the right reasons.
The real horror, as far as I am concerned, is the cover up. That broke my heart. And it broke the heart of many good priests.
And the fallout is that now good priests are getting accused also.
Father Corapi tells the story of a woman that accused him of raping her. He was questioned for days by the police. I forget what city it was in, but he had never even been there. He could have been defrocked. It was horrible.
Turns out, when the police questioned the woman further she told them how she had been watching TV in her home one night, and “that priest” came right out of the television and raped her!
It’s a mess. I wish so much they had dealt with it the right way from the beginning. I’m sure they feared people like Laura, making it into something it wasn’t and harming the church as a whole…but it was wrong.
They are doing a much better job now. The priests that molested those children and any priests that do so in the future should be treated the same as any other civilian.
It doesn’t help when people use this as an excuse to bash the entire faith tho.
The children that got molested and the congregation are the real victims here.
Does that answer you question? Believe me, there are so many problems in our Church right now, due to the misconstruing of Vatican II that it makes me sick to think about it…but the new, young priests that are coming out are amazing. And of course, in the end, we know we’ll be okay. Because as Father Corapi says, we’ve read the book and we know how it ends…we win.
Another Former Staffer Testifies Against Abortionist Brian Finkel
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
September 9, 2003
Phoenix, AZ (LifeNews.com) — The trial of abortion practitioner Brian Finkel continues, despite the lack of media coverage outside Phoenix about it. Finkel has been charged with 67 counts of sexually abusing 35 women since 1986 during exams and abortions.
The second week of testimony in the trial began Monday. The first week featured women who accused Finkel of touching their breasts and sexual organs during exams and a former employee of Finkel’s who asked him to stop touching women’s inappropriately.
So far 15 of the 55 people the prosecution plans to call have testified.
Members of Finkel’s staff at the abortion business feared reprisals and kept information about the abuses to themselves.
On Monday another former staff member testified that Finkel frequently inappropriate touched women’s reproductive anatomy and fondled their breasts. Rene Imrisck also said she grew tired of Finkel’s crude remarks
She urged one woman to contact the police following Finkel’s abuse of her. The woman said Finkel jerked her hard down into the stirrups.
Imrisck says Finkel made rude comments about one woman’s bra size and concluded by saying, “I really know my breasts.”
She also said she refused Finkel’s request to touch another patient’s breast, telling him, “I didn’t want to do that.”
Attorney Richard Gierloff, who is representing Finkel, has developed a defense strategy that relies on finding inconsistencies in the testimony women gave to investigators in depositions and what they say on the stand.
Gierloff got Imrisck to tell him that the woman in question has told Finkel she was having problems with a breast implant.
He also pointed out that one woman, a 39 year-old from the Phoenix suburb of Scottsdale, originally told police Finkel fondled her breasts once. During the trial, she said he touched them twice, and Gierloff quickly asked her about the differing accounts.
“That makes it so much better if it says just one,” the woman growled in response.
Gierloff is also asking the jury to decide what is inappropriate.
“What’s improper,” defense attorney Richard Gierloff said. “That’s what a lot of this question is about.”
Finkel claims it is necessary to touch women’s private parts during some exam procedures. However, a Colorado woman said other doctors never touched her the same way or squeezed her nipples during breast exams as Finkel did.
Many of the women who say Finkel abused them never came forward.
“The criminal conduct in this case was kept secret by many of these women for many, many years,” said deputy Maricopa County attorney Blaine Gadow.
Finkel was responsible for performing approximately 20 percent of the abortions done in Arizona.
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Was this post aimed at me?
This is pretty nuts. If you are a female and have ever had a physical, you would know that it involves the doctor touching your ‘icky poo poo’ parts like your breasts, vagina and everything else.
Pretending that a woman is outraged that a doctor touched her breast isn’t in any way simular to a priest raping a little boy. That you find a simularity is disturbing.
Excuse me? Finkel touched their “icky poo parts” with his own penis! He raped a few of them. Is that a part of a routine gyn exam? I’ve never had that done to me.
Why is the entire Catholic faith being judged on 4% of their priests?
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Why judge Planned Parenthood on 3% of it’s business?
Posted by: Laura at September 26, 2007 7:18 PM
The Catholic Church, is not getting paid the big bucks for the 4% of priests that molest children.
It’s simply not part of what they are MEANT to provide.
Planned Parenthood, however, is getting rich on that 3% (which by the way, Aurora admits is 10%) of children that they murder. That is what they are MEANT to provide.
That would be the difference.
Here are a few more slimy abortionists. Laurence Reich, Ivan Namihas, Dr. Ghali. they have ALL molested and raped their patients.
‘ve posted an independent research finding of the Pedolphilia priests several times. I don’t have time to find it, but will after the kids go to bed.
In a nutshell.
Approxamately 4% of priests have been accused of molestation. (this does not excuse this). Out of these well over three fourths of them were ordained priests in the 1960’s and 1970’s. You know, the time of free love and such. Also, many of the accused have either died, are in jail or cannot be found. Out of the ones that died and cannot be found the Vatican took the complaint at its word even though there was not any evidence.
Should I go over the statistic of the New York City School System? The one that shuffles teachers and administration from school to school even though they have been accused of molestation? Should I mention the other religious denomination that has had problems with their minister, preachers and such?
All these people should go to jail and the key should be thrown away. Do we judge the New york City Schools based on the percentage of teachers that have abused a child? No. Do we judge the other religious affiliations that have had these problems as well? No.
Priest are human. Priests make mistakes. They are not perfect. Some need to go to jail and have the key thrown away.
Why is the entire Catholic faith being judged on 4% of their priests?
Posted by: valerie at September 26, 2007 7:10 PM
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Holy moly. 4% of Catholic priests are child rapists? Why does the RCC tolerate this? Don’t they test for sociopaths before hiring?
Sally,
I don’t judge all Germans by Hitler, all Russians by Stalin, all Africans by Darfur…
I’m not about to judge The Catholic Church by a few men that overstepped their bounds. Wherever you find good, you will find evil corrupting it. If evil was done by the Church it was not done in the spirit of the Church. It was done by corrupt men, evil men, who used Her and perverted her.
I know you don’t believe in them, but demons are real. Satan is real. As real as you and me. And he will do anything and everything to bring down Christ’s Bride.
Don’t you ever wonder why it’s always the Jews and the Catholics that are hated the most? Even with terrorism, more people hate Catholics than muslims. Why is that?
Because, deep down, you realize that we are the Truth, and it convicts you every time you look at it. Every man and woman on earth commits sin at one time or another. Every faith, every institution, every group…but it is only the Jews and the Christians, but most especially the Catholics, that the vultures lie in wait for. Just waiting for any reason at all to attack us.
It’s cool. Like I said. We win.
Sally- I’ve read several studies that suggest that a lot of the priests in that percentile can’t handle the celibacy the priesthood entails and take it out on the easiest target. Sometimes the sexual repression will just blow up- and altar boys are rather easily accessable. It definitely isn’t a ‘majority’ problem- I think the biggest issue,like MK said, is the way that it has been dealt with. Of course, the amount of publicity definitely accounts for several of the reported incidents, like happens in any publicized issue. My only issue is that often accused clergymen are simply transferred, rather than having to be held accountable for their crimes.
California case shows need for checking doctors’ backgrounds
Monday, December 5, 2005; Posted: 3:52 p.m. EST (20:52 GMT)
Yvette Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after a gynecological exam in 2000.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) — Yvette Chambers said she wasn’t comfortable with the way her doctor touched her, or with his questions about her sex life during a gynecological exam at a Los Angeles-area clinic.
“I was questioning myself as to why I felt so uncomfortable, because it’s a doctor, he’s a doctor. Look at him he’s in a doctor’s (office), his beard’s cleanly cut,” Chambers said.
Then, she says, he asked her out to lunch.
“At that point I realized ‘eww, eww, I have just been molested. I have just been violated. He just asked me out,’ ” Chambers said. ( Watch what happened to her doctor — 5:15)
Chambers filed a complaint against Dr. Laurence Reich after the February 2000 appointment, adding to a list of allegations that date back to the 1970s, according to documents on file with the California Osteopathic Medical Board — which regulates osteopaths but not medical doctors. Osteopaths have different training than medical doctors but are treated the same under California law.
This case illustrates the wisdom of checking a doctor’s background if any suspicions arise. There were about 700,000 doctors, including osteopaths, practicing in the United States last year, and 5,263 — or less than 1 percent — were disciplined for a variety of infractions, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Physicians are licensed and disciplined by individual state medical boards, so that’s the best place to check to see if a doctor has had complaints or disciplinary action taken against him or her.
“States can do as little or as much as they want,” said Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.
The California Osteopathic Medical Board’s Web site shows that it has taken action against Reich, but it provides few details.
The site shows that he “successfully completed” a 10-year probation period in 1994 and shows that an accusation was filed in 2003. It says that “case is pending. Physician has not yet had a hearing nor been found guilty of these charges.”
The listing does not show that he had his license suspended in 1982, before he was put on probation.
It also does not say that he was arrested in 2002 on sexual battery charges and pleaded no contest to one count of sexual exploitation by a physician, a misdemeanor.
Reich and his attorney could not be reached for comment despite repeated attempts by CNN.
The state osteopathic medical board is scheduled to hold a hearing on his case in February. Reich is free to treat patients until it issues a decision.
The site also lets users know how to get the full public case file.
Those documents include allegations that he fondled one woman during an exam, asked her if it felt good and then kissed her. Another woman said that Reich was sexually excited during an exam and asked her to stimulate herself so that he could diagnose an infection. Another said he asked her to stimulate herself in front of him and later asked her to demonstrate an oral sex technique on his thumb.
Wolfe said that while restaurants and cars get regular inspections and safety checks, doctors can, for the most part, keep their licenses for life.
“There isn’t anywhere near the scrutiny — Consumer Reports regularly tests auto safety, so if you want to buy a car and want to find out the comparisons between one car and another in terms of safety there are objective data there,” Wolfe said. “There’s just nothing like that for physicians.”
“What you see on the Web site is the tiny fraction of physicians that have done such horrendous things that they have come to medical board attention and, depending on what state they’ve gotten in, they’ve either gotten a slap on the wrist or they may have their license revoked or suspended,” Wolfe said.
Dr. James Thompson, head of the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSM), says that 80 percent of doctors facing disciplinary action have licenses in more than one state.
Because each board is independent, the only way to do a thorough check is to contact the boards in all 50 states.
There are services that will do that for a fee. The FSM’s http://www.docinfo.org will check out physicians for $9.95 a report.
“A disciplinary action against a physician doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad; someone with no record of disciplinary action isn’t necessarily good,” Thompson said. “Check with friends and other physicians when checking out a doctor.”
Thompson said that states have different rules and that some actions involve administrative problems or violations, like drunken driving, that are not directly related to a doctor’s medical ability.
CNN’s Ted Rowlands, David Williams and Michael Squadron contributed to this report.
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Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 6:57 PM
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Heather
Your PL cohorts have a serious problem with those that simply post another’s opinion from some web site. Unless they do it themselves. And that is what you have done.
I was required to have at least 3 sources for any editorial type of paper back in elementary school. I don’t take any dork’s word for anything.
You got something to say? Quit being a mute for the PL and take ownership of your brain.
Sally, were you raised to butt into conversations? This was between Laura and MK. You should refrain from giving etiquette lessons until you get your own house in order.
Sally, say no more. I will just accept the fact that it’s okay with you for a horny abortionist to molest his patients.
Erin,
My only issue is that often accused clergymen are simply transferred, rather than having to be held accountable for their crimes.
That would be my issue too. But I don’t think it was a celibacy thing. After the 60’s and 70’s a whole lot of stuff went to pot. Priests and lay people stopped believing in the true presence. Birth control became widespread and Catholics started using it. Out went the Latin Mass and in came the guitar mass with Beatles songs no less…
And a whole load of homosexual men joined the priesthood for obvious reasons. Seminary’s got so bad that heterosexuals left. Cardinals, Bishops. You name it. The filth trickled down so that at one point you wouldn’t even know you were in a Catholic Church. Even now there are liturgical abuses. Crystals in the holy water fonts. The tabernacle hidden in a separate room. We have a parish 8 blocks over that had a seminar on channeling. And another one on Shamanism. Our own parish offered a seminar on the Enniagram. Lesbian nuns that demanded to be priests. And then the pedophile scandal.
Actually, Mary warned of all of these things at Fatima and other apparations. Medjugorje is the most recent apparition and I can tell you, according to our Lady, the future don’t look to good.
Rwanda was the most startling apparition. The genocide was prophesied in great detail to seven teenagers there, 4 or 5 years before it happened.
You all go ahead and laugh. But he who laughs last and all that…
12/19/2005
Sen. Barbara Boxer Demands Immediate Suspension of Abortionist’s License
Operation Rescue Applauds Boxer’s Effort to Stop Laurence Reich
PANORAMA CITY, Calif., Dec. 19 /Christian Wire Service/ — Senator Barbara Boxer, known for her rabidly pro-abortion views, has demanded that the Osteopathic Medical Board of California immediately suspend the license of Abortionist Laurence Reich.
In a strongly worded letter, Boxer referred to a recent CNN report about Reich that detailed Reich’s criminal past as a sexual predator, but failed to mention that he is an abortionist.
“I never thought I would agree with Barbara Boxer on anything, but I whole-heartedly support her demand for the immediate suspension of abortionist Laurence Reich’s license in the interest of public safety,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “If someone like Sen. Boxer can see that this abortionist is a danger to the community, you know he must be a very dangerous man.”
Operation Rescue reported on October 31, 2005, that Reich, a frequent focus of Operation Rescue demonstrations, had been convicted of sexually molesting his patients in 2002, but three years later the Osteopathic Medical Board still had not decided upon appropriate discipline. Reich had previously been convicted of sexually abusing his patients in incidents stemming back to the 1970s and was placed on 10 years probation, which was completed in 1994.
Reich is listed as the “medical director” for a small chain of Southern California abortion mills called Clinica Medica Para La Mujer De Hoy. According to the owner of the abortion mills, Bertha Bugarin, the chain targets women in the Hispanic community.
“We believe that Reich has found that the Hispanic Community is the perfect stalking grounds for his sexual attacks,” said OR spokesperson Cheryl Sullenger, who has followed Reich’s nefarious career and lodged complaints against him. “Women who may be in the U.S. illegally are especially vulnerable to exploitation because they are less likely to report a man like him to the authorities. We applaud Senator Boxer’s efforts to stop Reich from further exploiting women.”
It is my understanding that sociopathy is really hard to diagnose and insurance does not cover treatment because there are no really effective treatments. This is just my understanding. Does anyone else have anything from experience regarding sociopathy?
Carrie,
I meant to thank you for “butting in” but got so wrapped up in my rebuttals that I spaced it.
So I’ll say it now. Thank you.
But I don’t think I’ll be getting that apology.
Sally, this man invited a woman on a lunch date immediatly after performing an abortion on her. Her name is Yvette Chambers. She was still bleeding on his table when he leaned in and said “I want to be inside of you.” “Do you want to go to lunch?” GROSS ME OUT!
Sally, Former abortionist Brian Finkel propositioned a teenage patient. He told her “I’ll pay to have your teeth fixed if you give me a [slang for oral sex]”
4% of the population are sociopaths.
A really, really, really good book to read is “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout…but guaranteed you’ll have nightmares.
The problem with them is that they blend in so well.
They are often intelligent, always manipulative, frequently charming and great at reading people.
They have to be, because lacking any real empathy they watch people to see how they react to things and then practice until they can mimic the expected appropriate responses.
I think SoMG is one. Although he lacks the charm.
Martha Stout, Ph.D., advises that sociopaths are more common than most people realize. In fact, Stout says that sociopaths comprise four percent of the population, which essentially is one out of every twenty-five people. While the prison population has its fair share of sociopaths, many if not most sociopaths are on the streets because their
Sally, Dr. Ivan Namihas impregnated 2 of his abortion patients. Licence revoked!!!
Sally,
I don’t judge all Germans by Hitler, all Russians by Stalin, all Africans by Darfur…
I’m not about to judge The Catholic Church by a few men that overstepped their bounds. Wherever you find good, you will find evil corrupting it. If evil was done by the Church it was not done in the spirit of the Church. It was done by corrupt men, evil men, who used Her and perverted her.
I know you don’t believe in them, but demons are real. Satan is real. As real as you and me. And he will do anything and everything to bring down Christ’s Bride.
Don’t you ever wonder why it’s always the Jews and the Catholics that are hated the most? Even with terrorism, more people hate Catholics than muslims. Why is that?
Because, deep down, you realize that we are the Truth, and it convicts you every time you look at it. Every man and woman on earth commits sin at one time or another. Every faith, every institution, every group…but it is only the Jews and the Christians, but most especially the Catholics, that the vultures lie in wait for. Just waiting for any reason at all to attack us.
It’s cool. Like I said. We win.
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2007 8:00 PM
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Honey, I come from Swiss/Germanic people before there was a Germany. I have an ancestor that was a Captain of the Swiss Guard. Back in the day that would make him the dude that RCC employed to round up unbelievers for torture and other perversions.
You are one of those silly folk that thinks that the world began the day you were born aren’t you? Oh no! The world shook the moment a sperm found a ovum. You need to be special to god because you are not special to anyone else.
Oh Sally, C’mon, you can do better than that.
Yes, that’s me. Lonely, depressed, forlorn…
You can tell by the way I behave on this site.
Always down. Nobody on here likes me.
Hey let’s take a vote.
Who would you guys rather hang out with?
Sally or MK?
Per Laura:
“Excuse me?
The first story on this site is about a woman who kept her dead fetuses at home, and everyone wants her sent to prison!
What’s the difference between her and Santorum?”
Posted by: Laura at September 26, 2007 7:02 PM
Laura,
Are you even for real?? DUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try to stay focused. The families of babies who have died take them home to honor, respect,cherish and grieve in private before they are given a burial required by state laws. Again Laura it is a “choice” they have.
The kook in the story you refer to admittedly let one baby drown in the toilet and stashed all of them in her home to hide them away. Looks pretty clear she is covering up murder. They just can’t prove it. She is demented. The two stories are not even comparable.
Again Laura, the number 1-800-GET-HELP
You really need it.
MK, MK, MK, MK!! Sandy, how TRUE!!
thanx for the info on sociopaths. hmm, if 4% are sociopaths, that includes politicians. I wonder who . . .
I’m beginning to think that the number is higher that 4%. We can add on Christi Freeman.
ally,
I don’t judge all Germans by Hitler, all Russians by Stalin, all Africans by Darfur…
I’m not about to judge The Catholic Church by a few men that overstepped their bounds. Wherever you find good, you will find evil corrupting it. If evil was done by the Church it was not done in the spirit of the Church. It was done by corrupt men, evil men, who used Her and perverted her.
I know you don’t believe in them, but demons are real. Satan is real. As real as you and me. And he will do anything and everything to bring down Christ’s Bride.
Don’t you ever wonder why it’s always the Jews and the Catholics that are hated the most? Even with terrorism, more people hate Catholics than muslims. Why is that?
Because, deep down, you realize that we are the Truth, and it convicts you every time you look at it. Every man and woman on earth commits sin at one time or another. Every faith, every institution, every group…but it is only the Jews and the Christians, but most especially the Catholics, that the vultures lie in wait for. Just waiting for any reason at all to attack us.
It’s cool. Like I said. We win.
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2007 8:00 PM
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MK
Hypervigilance is your religion. You know nothing about Jesus or Christianity. You win absolutely nothing..
Hippie,
Midnite and I had quite a row when I said this back in April, but I believe that women that abort their babies are showing sociopathic tendencies. The whole no remorse, not taking responsibility for their actions, do whatever it takes to get where they want to be…
Just look at some of the excuses that are given.
I want to finish school. I don’t want to get fat.
I want to dance.
Totally sociopathic thinking.
Not saying they are fullout sociopaths…just that when it comes to having an abortion they are thinking like one.
Sally,
MK
Hypervigilance is your religion. You know nothing about Jesus or Christianity. You win absolutely nothing..
You’re really reaching now…
Why don’t you tell me what I need to know about Jesus. I’m always willing to learn.
And hypervigilance? C’mon…keep trying. lol
And we still win. Of course you can join the winning team any time you want to. The door is always open. But if not, don’t let it hit you on the way out.
Seriously, what do you think you know that I don’t know? Or whatever it is you’re trying to say?
Sally,
you nasty.
Hey Jasper,
Would you rather hang with Sally or Mk?
She do be bad, don’t she Jasper?
Sally, Sally, Sally,
That last comment has got to go. Refer to the rules on the right side of the page….sorry.
“Hey Jasper,
Would you rather hang with Sally or Mk?”
Of course that would be MK.
MK, I think Sally is in desparate need of our prayers. She’s a very bitter woman.
Laura –
“Why judge Planned Parenthood on 3% of it’s business?”
Once again, I will explain this. PP did over 10 million in services but only had 3 million clients. That means that 7% of their clients, if these clients ONLY had an abortion and nothing else, were abortion clients. Now, since you can’t get an abortion without a pregnancy test there is another service. Most women go back for a PAP, breast exam and they also get Contraception. Some have to have STD testing and some of those will require treatment. Some may also come back for emergency contraception kits. So, once all this adds up over 50% of their clientele are probablly abortion clients. So, this is what I judge Planned Parenthood on.
Sally –
“Holy moly. 4% of Catholic priests are child rapists? Why does the RCC tolerate this? Don’t they test for sociopaths before hiring? ”
I even italisized the word too. ACCUSED. 4% have been ACCUSED. Does putting it in bold help you on that? Not all that have been ACCUSED have been found quilty.
And the RCC does not tolerate this, that is why they have paid billions to victims. That is why they have had intense investigations by third parties and that is why they asked for independent research to be done. This is all done because they do NOT TOLERATE it.
And they do have psychological testing done. They have since psychological testing was proven to be a legitament tool. However, with all the testings in the world, some people are able to slip through the cracks.
Laura said: “It’s always been offensive – even to a heretic like myself.”
Just to correct you here, you should have said “even to an apostate like myself.”
A “heretic” is someone who disagrees with the religious establishment on an important point of theology or two.
An “apostate” is someone who completely rejects morality, religion, and God.
We wouldn’t want to confuse people into thinking that you’re merely a heretic when you’re really so much more.
You know John Lewandowski, I like you more every day.
If you’re interested in Novenas, email me. I think I have something you’ll like.
mk said: “4% of the population are sociopaths.”
I think that percentage is a bit higher in the blogosphere.
Sally, Former abortionist Brian Finkel propositioned a teenage patient. He told her “I’ll pay to have your teeth fixed if you give me a [slang for oral sex]”
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 8:29
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Uh huh. I grew up with your hillrod daddy trolling for fresh meat around my junior high school. Aint Illinios and Jilly just a jaw from gawd?
Sally, what? You still didn’t answer me.
spoken like a true pro-deather
“we need this clinic f***ing open”
Great argument!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-d6OHxPkI
jasper, yes. And the reproductive slobs were all applauding. *yay for the F word!!*
Excuse me? Finkel touched their “icky poo parts” with his own penis! He raped a few of them. Is that a part of a routine gyn exam? I’ve never had that done to me.
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 7:52 PM
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Did he now. You have moved from feeling up to rape. Breast exam to forcing sexual assault. Did Finkel touch anything with his penis intentionally? I don’t know. I wasn’t there and don’t read your idiotic PL nonsense. You and just you tell me alll about what you actually know about this alligation. Can you say nothing? Sure you can.
Sally, he’s in prison. He did rape his patients.
Why is the entire Catholic faith being judged on 4% of their priests?
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Why judge Planned Parenthood on 3% of it’s business?
Posted by: Laura at September 26, 2007 7:18 PM
The Catholic Church, is not getting paid the big bucks for the 4% of priests that molest children.
It’s simply not part of what they are MEANT to provide.
Planned Parenthood, however, is getting rich on that 3% (which by the way, Aurora admits is 10%) of children that they murder. That is what they are MEANT to provide.
That would be the difference.
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2007 7:54 PM
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mk
If you think that the RCC doesn’t have a really fat bank account you are just what the RCC is looking for. Easily led and easily lied to.
Hey Diddle Diddle
Abortion doctor Brian Finkel will remain in prison for at least 20 more years, after a recent appellate court loss
By Paul Rubin
Published: December 14, 2006
Some time ago, New Times got a letter from an inmate in Florence named James Stites, who is serving a six-year prison sentence for attempting to molest a child.
Doug Hoeschler
Dr. Brian Finkel, long before his conviction.
Subject(s): Brian Finkel Stites was writing about his cellmate at the time, the infamous diddling doctor Brian Finkel, who was sentenced in January 2004 to almost 35 years in prison for sexually abusing patients.
“Since I’ve been in here,” Stites wrote, “I have heard how he loved his job because he got to play with a lot of breasts and how he enjoyed rubbing their crotch. Now he’s telling us he will be out on the streets in 2006 because the courts screwed up on his case. . . . Can you let me know if this is true or not because this is one sick son-of-a-bitch and doesn’t need to be on the inside.”
The answer is no, the former king of the local abortion market apparently won’t be getting out of the slammer anytime soon.
In an unpublished decision issued November 21, the Arizona Court of Appeals upheld Finkel’s high-profile convictions on 22 counts (involving 13 victims), and reaffirmed the sentence in all but four of those counts. The court reduced the sentence in two of those four counts by two years, and remanded the other two counts for resentencing because of a procedural error.
In the best-case scenario for Finkel ? who turned 57 last week ? he will become eligible for parole in about 20 years instead of 25.
Written by Judge Susan Ehrlich, the 3-0 opinion was a big defeat for Finkel, who had been flooding supporters (and New Times writers) since his imprisonment with missives about how his retrial and acquittal was a certainty.
Actually, attorneys at the Arizona Attorney General’s Office privately had expressed concern over the appellate outcome. Their main worry seemed to be how the higher court would respond to Judge Jeffrey Cates’ crucial decision to consolidate all the cases.
But Judge Ehrlich wrote that Cates had a “reasonable basis upon which to conclude that Finkel had a character trait giving rise to an aberrant sexual propensity to commit the offenses charged . . . and thus did not err in denying [Finkel’s] motion to sever [each of the cases].”
Because of Judge Cates’ ruling, jurors learned about Finkel’s practice of improperly touching his patients’ clitorises, breasts and anuses from one woman after another on the witness stand.
The Finkel criminal case was filed after a New Times story broke the news of the allegations (“Bedside Matter,” September 20, 2001). In that story, Finkel denied any wrongdoing (as he later would reiterate during five days on the stand).
“When you’re a nationally prominent abortion provider such as myself,” the doctor said, “you have to be more vigilant than others . . .”
Finkel said he never had “clit-flicked a patient for improper motive or improper gratification. I don’t want to, I don’t need to, and I don’t have to. Do I touch their breasts as anything other than a professional part of their exam? No. I have no reason to, and I am not going to.”
But the appellate court noted that “five of Finkel’s medical assistants testified, each of whom stated that she had observed Finkel improperly touching a patient’s clitoris and/or fondling or groping the patient’s breasts.”
Eventually, two Maricopa County grand jury indictments against Finkel listed 35 alleged victims.
The trial, in late 2003, lasted 44 days, during which 53 witnesses testified.
During closing arguments, Finkel’s attorney Richard Gierloff called his client’s accusers “narcissistic, deliberately manipulative human beings . . . a mob which was created by the media . . . the Victims Club.”
During breaks in the proceedings at the Maricopa County Superior Court, Finkel displayed the same confidence that he was going to be acquitted as he later did from behind bars about his then-pending appeal. He joked constantly, and during one recess stared at a woman who had been testifying against him and whistled the familiar melody to “If I Only Had a Brain.”
Shortly before the jury came back with its verdicts on December 2, 2003, he told Judge Cates in chambers that he just knew he was going to walk.
The jury disagreed.
Judge Cates increased Finkel’s sentence from the average to an “aggravated” term on each count, telling the defendant that he had “caused emotional harm to his victims, including depression, humiliation and fear, had caused physical harm to some of them,” and that his lack of remorse and failure to accept responsibility for acts committed over a long period of time “did not bode well for rehabilitation.”
In his appeal, Finkel claimed that Judge Cates’ decision to add time to each of the guilty counts had been wrong.
But Judge Ehrlich and her colleagues found that Cates had “imposed aggravated sentences because the offenses were not isolated instances of sexual abuse, but, rather, part of a prolonged and extensive pattern of sexual misconduct. This reflected Finkel’s criminal character and history . . .”
Judge Ehrlich also noted that “[Finkel] contends that, because he denied guilt, his lack of remorse cannot be used as an aggravating factor because this violates his constitutional privilege against self-incrimination.” But the judge pointed out that “because Finkel chose to speak at the sentencing proceedings, the privilege against self-incrimination does not prohibit the trial court from considering his own statements at sentencing as a basis for finding that he lacked remorse.”
And as for remorse, the appellate judge wrote, “Finkel stated that he felt remorse for the victims because he did not understand their feelings and needs, and because they had been traumatized by the trial. The trial court was not persuaded by his statements. It believed that Finkel thought that the prosecution had been politically motivated because he had performed abortions, that Finkel thought it was he who had been victimized and that he was not remorseful. We will defer to the court in the better position to assess whether a defendant is truly remorseful.”
Next stop: the Arizona Supreme Court, if it agrees to hear Finkel’s case.
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Sally, this man invited a woman on a lunch date immediatly after performing an abortion on her. Her name is Yvette Chambers. She was still bleeding on his table when he leaned in and said “I want to be inside of you.” “Do you want to go to lunch?” GROSS ME OUT!
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 8:26 PM
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How bloody naive and inexperienced in life can you possible be? My ex said much the same after he no longer wished to be married because he needed to expand upon his sexuality. He was right. Damn horrible in bed he was. Bloody Catholic virgins are a waste of time. Unless you are an abusive priest of course.
Ha! there’s your link. He often referred to his abortion patients as “Tramps” and “Whores.” So does abortionist, Edward Allred. Sally, abortionists do not respect women!! Please realize this. I will provide the rape link tomorrow. I have to go now.
Sally, were you raised to butt into conversations? This was between Laura and MK. You should refrain from giving etiquette lessons until you get your own house in order.
Posted by: Carrie at September 26, 2007 8:17 PM
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I don’t pretend to be anything Carrie. That would be your gig. Get your crapola together and attempt to defend your crap.
Oh Sally, C’mon, you can do better than that.
Yes, that’s me. Lonely, depressed, forlorn…
You can tell by the way I behave on this site.
Always down. Nobody on here likes me.
Hey let’s take a vote.
Who would you guys rather hang out with?
Sally or MK?
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2007 8:36 PM
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Damn MK but you do sound like a childish fool. Popularity contests? I’m an intelligent grown up. Not a mindless fool looking for ‘peer’ support. I pity any child born to your shallow being.
I double dog bet you that everyone would rather hang with happy with her life Sally rather than paranoid over her being and trying to make eveeryone pay for it MK.
more basic math
according to their website, in 2006,
PP had around 3,000,000 unduplicated clients and about 260,000 abortions.
Pencils ready?
Go.
Did you get about 9% ?
Good!
However, an abortion costs at least $400
Pencils everyone.
Did you get $104,000,000? This is the lowest possible estimate of abortion income. Actual number is absolutely higher because many thousands of abortions cost far more that $400.
The point is that abortion is the bread and butter of PP.
Its $ value far exceeds 3% of revenue.
According to the Guidestar website that has photo copies of the 990 IRS forms, just the local affiliate in the Houston area has income in excess of $6,000,000 of which over $1,000,000 was interest on assets and paid Morganstanley $175,000 in 2005 to manage its over $23,000,000 in securities assets.
They be rolling in dough.
Please note these numbers are a matter of public record although not often publicized.
Many business would love such $ from 3% of services.
A sociopath is someone who lacks the ability to recognize the relevance of emotion in other people. The percentage of actual sociopaths in people is MINISCULE. Not anywhere NEAR 4%. They show not only a lack of ability to empathize, but also to sympathize. It has nothing to do with the acknowledgement of the existence of others, or the physical beings of others, but the complete inability to grasp that other people have feelings- in this area, every single person who has ever said something that can be considered nasty or rude has exhibited some form of sociopathy. Actual sociopathy is a severe, severe, SEVERE mental condition. It really, honestly, shouldn’t be compared like this. It makes my skin crawl seeing it thrown around like this. Selfishness, desire not to take responsibility for actions, and so forth, are not ‘sociopathic’ tendancies- they are human tendancies that everyone exhibits at certain points. Sociopathy is almost completely defined by the inability to determine the relevance of other peoples thoughts and feelings- for example, a person who knows that rape is wrong, but doesn’t care, because the only person they consider to truly have feelings is themselves. It’s a severe mental disorder. Don’t trivialize it or throw it around.
Sally,
Damn MK but you do sound like a childish fool. Popularity contests? I’m an intelligent grown up. Not a mindless fool looking for ‘peer’ support. I pity any child born to your shallow being.
I double dog bet you that everyone would rather hang with happy with her life Sally rather than paranoid over her being and trying to make eveeryone pay for it MK.
You are too funny. I just let your posts speak for themselves. But you sure did make me chuckle.
Double dog bet me? Right after you call me a child? Toooooo funny.
But I am glad to hear that you are happy. You’d never know it from your posts, but books and covers and all that. Not sure why attacking everything that is sacred to people makes you happy, but to each his own. I hope your happiness continues. Lord knows if this is you happy, I’d hate to see you unhappy. So yes, I definitely hope your happiness continues.
As our very own Bobby Bambino would say; God Love You Sally.
boy, I am tired. I have been up all night trying to get my “crapola” toghether as instructed by Sally. yawn.
Erin,
Since I don’t consider abortion to be an insignificant act, I’d hardly say that I am throwing the term sociopath around lightly.
I put a mother ending the life of her child right up there with pedophilia, rape, and murder.
And I agree, every time we choose to do something regardless of the consequences to others we are exhibiting sociopathic behavior. This most definitely does not mean we are sociopaths. I probably should have used a different term than “tendencies” because that made it sound like I was saying they were sociopaths. But that’s not what I meant. I meant that having an abortion resembles sociopathy in that the person is motivated by purely selfish reasons and makes a choice without considering the consequences to other people.
And I completely believe that 4% of the population is sociopathic. Actually, it wouldn’t surprise me if that number is low.
I cited my source. What’s yours?
Oh Carrie,
boy, I am tired. I have been up all night trying to get my “crapola” together as instructed by Sally. yawn.
I’m so sorry to hear that. Did it work? lol
I’m sure Sally and Laura slept like babies.
All that “happiness” must be exhausting.
Erin,
I had never heard the 4% estimate before nor any other estimate. Do you have another source on sociopathy?
I also wonder about women who take abortion lightly. To me the woman who fails to see it as a wrong has mental issues. Sociopath? definitely.
Back when abortions were illegal, why weren’t the women put in prison after they sought treatment at the local hospital? They deserve to be. Why only lock up the abortionist? It’s 50/50.
I also wonder about women who take abortion lightly. To me the woman who fails to see it as a wrong has mental issues. Sociopath? definitely.
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Gee, coming from the chick who thought that the Marquis de Sade was the chick who sang “Sweetest Taboo,” that’s quite a blow.
Laura, shut up.
Laura supports horny, molesting abortionists!! Hey, I guess it’s just another slutty abortion patient to you. Perhaps you agree with abortionists when they call women “WHORES.” I’m starting to wonder, are they??
And to me, it seems like you guys like to discreetly prey on people who have no remorse for doing somethimg perfectly legal. Seems kinda backwards to me.
The DSM-IV, the standard diagnostic manual for psychotherapists, has the following diagnostic criteria:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated fights or assaults (both physically or mentally)
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
The general estimate by the APA is that around 1% of the population has sociopathic AND RELATED disorders- which falls into the realm of schizopherenia and antisocial personality disorder.
Erin,
whats that you just posted? behavoir of pro-choicers?
Yes, it’s a little odd that the only sex crime victims Laura will cry foul on are allegedly pro-life priests who abuse their access to boys/young men by preying on them sexually; but if any known sodomites molest and then kill other boys, then she tries to convince everyone it never happened, and demonize anyone who knows that it did…by accusing them of lying in order to “disparage an entire group of people who have done you no harm.”…yet that is exactly what she does to anyone who doesn’t share her own enthusiasm for promoting child-killing and sodomy, the two top killers pushed by Planned Parenthood BECAUSE they are deadly and harmful to children and adults.
So Laura, where is your proof that any of the perverted, predatory priests are demonstrably prolife? And, if someone were to discover a “gay gene”, and parents wanted to abort children thus “diagnosed”, which would you choose, “gay” rights, or “abortion rights”? Just answer the questions!
After reading through the post here, one post by Sally caught my attention. “How bloody naive and inexperienced in life can you possibly be….”
Tell me Sally why did you use the word “in” within the above sentence, instead of “at life”?
Second, why do you use the word “bloody” in your vocabulary if you are not British? You do seem to state your from the Chicago area.
As for your mutual masturbation partner leaving you for to “expand his sexuality”, that is normal for narcissist. He was just bored with your lack of pleasure you could give him. Do you resent that act of freedom(leaving you for better pleasure) by your former mutual masturbation partner? Why bring it up then?
Are you a victim? You seem to have a victim personality from being inexperienced and naive about your love for pleasure. What you seek in another, you can find only in yourself, which brings up how often you still masturbate yourself wanting what you won’t find in yourself, Sally. Bloody awful ain’t it, loving yourself so much to drive away your mutal masturbation partner.
Hi guys,
Returning, momentarily, to the original topic of this thread, (what a concept?!) namely the Margaret Sanger/KKK art contest, here’s a thought…
Sanger, leading the KKK ladies in a stirring rendition of “White Christmas”, only the lyrics are slightly altered:
ylass, Yes. Sally paints herself into the victim corner quite well. She’s also had an abortion. *gasp*
jt, great poem!
*rolls eyes* I could say the exact same thing about pro-lifers if I wanted to twist the definition around. Honestly, jasper.
yllas, I use the word bloody rather often too, and I’m a good old fashioned southerner. Its a useful word. Also, are you a psychologist? You are making some massive leaps in assumption about a person you know nothing about. Also, do you have an issue with masturbation? Did you know that it is proven to be extremely healthy and in fact have several benefits to the human body?
for Erin:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4306928514861950557&q=abortion&total=5613&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
A very real phenomenon TO THE PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES IT. Ah. So, it’s PTSD. Which has been documented to have occured in people going in for almost any surgical procedure. Surgical procedures often cause cases of PTSD. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but it’s honestly not the end of the world as long as people learn how to manage it- and there isn’t any excuse for not learning how to manage it.
“Which has been documented to have occured in people going in for almost any surgical procedure. Surgical procedures often cause cases of PTSD. ”
Erin, you’re still in denial.
I’ve known people who have had just about every operation under the sun. None have ever mentioned PTSD as a side effect.
Well, except abortion. Might I add that it may come in the form of depression or drug and alcohol abuse. I think it just screws with a woman’s head so badly, that even THEY may not know what’s wrong. Also, why is it the only surgery that people aren’t willing to freely discuss? I’ll tell anyone about my tonsillectomy, and I won’t think twice about it.
Seems Erin is mind melding with Sally, or is Sally another name for Erin.?
Simple question for you Erin, what is the purpose of masturbation?
Still, the question remains, why did Sally, the victim of narcissism, use the word “in” instead of “at life”? Care to mind meld with Sally and ask her? Also, has “blood” got some pejorative meaning for you Sally/Erin? Seems it is healthy and natural to have blood. Why use it as a “Southern dysphemism”?
Poor Sally, she went into some form of “hypnotic victimization”, which blirted out some written words, mentioning her failed mutual masturbation session with a male narcissist.
A confession of sacrifice for pleasure, which no one asked her to give. Why reveal such things to others, unless Sally needs to be petted on the her “self love spot” by you Erin? Watch out Erin, you might become another bloody failed mutual masturbation partner, being incapable of performing pleasureable acts on a healthy self lover known as Sally. Then again, maybe Erin and Sally are “one body with two minds” using two different names here. A extreme form of “bi-polarism”, where “Erin” is the happy masturbating “Sally”, and Sally is the miserable, rejected masturbater conjuring up some failed mutual masturbation session in her bloody life.
I found this on Wikipedia:
Antisocial personality disorder:
Antisocial personality disorder is terminology used by the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, while the World Health Organization’s ICD-10 refers to Dissocial personality disorder. Antisocial personality disorder is often misunderstood by both professionals and laypeople. Confused with the popular terms, “sociopath” or “psychopath,” someone who suffers from this disorder can be discriminated against within the mental health system, because of the symptoms of their disorder.
The National Comorbidity Survey, which used DSM-III-R criteria, found that 5.8% of males and 1.2% of females showed evidence of a lifetime risk for the disorder.[8] In penitentiaries , the percentage is estimated to be as high as 75%. Prevalence estimates within clinical settings have varied from 3% to 30%, depending on the predominant characteristics of the populations being sampled. {Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders} Perhaps not surprisingly, the prevalence of the disorder is even higher in selected populations, such as people in prisons (who include many violent offenders) (Hare 1983). Similarly, the prevalence of ASPD is higher among patients in alcohol or other drug (AOD) abuse treatment programs than in the general population (Hare 1983), suggesting a link between ASPD and AOD abuse and dependence.[9]
Reference #8: Antisocial Personality Disorder for professionals. Armenian Medical Network (2006).
Reference #9: Alcohol Research & Health. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (2006).
No, yllas, I’m just another liberal. Can’t you tell us apart? And your psychological verbage is terrible. I’m serious. Don’t throw terms like narcissim around.
And masturbation is healthy. Just like sex. Very healthy. Good for your skin, good for your hair, good for your heart, all sorts of good things.
jasper- surgical procedures are one of the causes of PTSD. You can say I’m in denial all you want. It’s a standard issue diagnostic area of the APA. Give me a moment and I’ll find it.
Here we are: http://www.mental-health-today.com/ptsd/dsm.htm
Surgical procedures fit in quite nicely.
Lots of things can cause various stages of PTSD.
Btw, will someone please inform yllas that I am not in fact Sally? Thank you.
Erin,
Just read you ptsd link and just can’t seem to find where it says surgery causes it…fatal illness, yes. Surgery…no.
Actually Erin,
If you read yllas backwards you have to wonder if someone else isn’t melding with sally.
Lol, picky, picky, mk. Surgery is generally the etc.
Here’s a couple links.
“Anyone diagnosed with a life-threatening illness or those who have had surgery”
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/common/mentalhealth/anxiety/624.html
“What do car accidents, abuse, falls, surgery,
rape and combat have in common?”
http://www.cfim.org/articles/post_traumatic_stress.html
I think the fact that surgery can cause PTSD is kind of silly too, but it’s been proven.
Here are a few more slimy abortionists. Laurence Reich, Ivan Namihas, Dr. Ghali. they have ALL molested and raped their patients.
Geez, Heather, what are you going to do next – get out a list of pro-lifers who have molested and raped? Catholic priests? All the Bakkers, Haggartys and Swaggarts of the world?
Doug
Sally,
I don’t judge all Germans by Hitler, all Russians by Stalin, all Africans by Darfur…
I’m not about to judge The Catholic Church by a few men that overstepped their bounds. Wherever you find good, you will find evil corrupting it. If evil was done by the Church it was not done in the spirit of the Church. It was done by corrupt men, evil men, who used Her and perverted her.
I know you don’t believe in them, but demons are real. Satan is real. As real as you and me. And he will do anything and everything to bring down Christ’s Bride.
Don’t you ever wonder why it’s always the Jews and the Catholics that are hated the most? Even with terrorism, more people hate Catholics than muslims. Why is that?
Because, deep down, you realize that we are the Truth, and it convicts you every time you look at it. Every man and woman on earth commits sin at one time or another. Every faith, every institution, every group…but it is only the Jews and the Christians, but most especially the Catholics, that the vultures lie in wait for. Just waiting for any reason at all to attack us.
It’s cool. Like I said. We win.
Posted by: mk at September 26, 2007 8:00 PM
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MK
I realize that when you idolize an institution it’s tough to accept it’s clay feet. It’s a faint appology to say that the RCC covering up the child rapist’s on their payroll and their crimes was ‘not in the spirit of the church’. What is the spirit of the church but their deeds? I don’t think that Catholics get to vote on those in power of the church’s actions and wouldn’t dream of painting average Catholics with the same brush I paint child rapists and those that cover up their crimes. I see little recourse for Catholics to express their displeasure with those that are corrupt in the heirarchy.
This would be the reason that the RCC scholars in my ancestry left and joined the protestation against it’s corrupt practices.
Satan and demons? A church being the mate of a god? This is all the type of borrowed beliefs from pagan cultures that the Protestant movement was all about. This stuff isn’t Biblical. It’s adopted dogma. Praying to Madonna is idle worship and a bow to matriarical pagan societies adopted with the intent to make forced recrution more palatible.
I hope that you are getting a concept of why religion absolutely must be kept out of government. World history has taught us that it leads to dissent and killing.
But really MK! Raping children is ‘a few good men overstepping their bounds’? And you are all worried about an embryo suffering pain that it is incapable of feeling? I worry about you.
You are too funny. I just let your posts speak for themselves. But you sure did make me chuckle.
Double dog bet me? Right after you call me a child? Toooooo funny.
But I am glad to hear that you are happy. You’d never know it from your posts, but books and covers and all that. Not sure why attacking everything that is sacred to people makes you happy, but to each his own. I hope your happiness continues. Lord knows if this is you happy, I’d hate to see you unhappy. So yes, I definitely hope your happiness continues.
As our very own Bobby Bambino would say; God Love You Sally.
Posted by: mk at September 27, 2007 5:59 AM
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I am so glad that you have a sense of humor. Even if it is caused by discomfort. You do come off as a very unhappy zealot. But I haven’t seen your ‘cover’ let alone read your ‘book’.
Has it ever occured to you that the concepts that you hold sacred might actually offend another? Or do you believe that you have been imbued with ultimate wisdom and knowledge?
And that is called highly sarcastic humor. Laugh.
Sally, were you raised to butt into conversations? This was between Laura and MK. You should refrain from giving etiquette lessons until you get your own house in order.
Posted by: Carrie at September 26, 2007 8:17 PM
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I’m tactless Carrie. My mother always said so whenever I attempted to express an opinion she didn’t have an answer for. She would have liked you before the brain surgery that left her blatantly honest.
Sally- I’ve read several studies that suggest that a lot of the priests in that percentile can’t handle the celibacy the priesthood entails and take it out on the easiest target. Sometimes the sexual repression will just blow up- and altar boys are rather easily accessable. It definitely isn’t a ‘majority’ problem- I think the biggest issue,like MK said, is the way that it has been dealt with. Of course, the amount of publicity definitely accounts for several of the reported incidents, like happens in any publicized issue. My only issue is that often accused clergymen are simply transferred, rather than having to be held accountable for their crimes.
Posted by: Erin at September 26, 2007 8:09 PM
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I completey agree. Your average Catholic had absolutely no knowledge of either the crimes or the cover up. That in it’s self is distrubing.
Sally, say no more. I will just accept the fact that it’s okay with you for a horny abortionist to molest his patients.
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 8:18 PM
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Heather, say no more. I’ll just take it for granted that risking injury from leaping to ridiculous conclusions is a contsant probability for you. ; )
Sally, would you care to start defending these molesting perverted abortionists? I’ve got lots of them.
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 6:46 PM
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Do doctors that perform abortions pretend to represent God Heather? Does the average patient consider a doctor to be closer to God themselves? If they commit a crime does the medical community send them off to a sanctuary to recover from their crime?
How do you defend the RCC covering up these crimes and facilitating futher crimes?
Sally, Former abortionist Brian Finkel propositioned a teenage patient. He told her “I’ll pay to have your teeth fixed if you give me a [slang for oral sex]”
Posted by: heather at September 26, 2007 8:29 PM
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I’ve been propositioned by many men of many job catagories. I’ve never been propositioned by a man pretending to represent a higher being. Although I met several wives of ministers in my PTSD group. DV survivors.
It is my understanding that sociopathy is really hard to diagnose and insurance does not cover treatment because there are no really effective treatments. This is just my understanding. Does anyone else have anything from experience regarding sociopathy?
Posted by: hippie at September 26, 2007 8:24 PM
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Oh hell yes. Being raised a Christians my sisters and I were taught that no one treats you badly unless you ask for it. Prime targets for sociopaths, abusives, con artists……….all the same really.
I find PLs to be exactly the same. Rather than relating to the woman pregnant, they dismiss her life experience and focus on something less than herself in the attempt to force the woman to conform to their own personal concepts of themselves. All in the name of something they perceive as more than the woman.
“Oh hell yes. Being raised a Christians my sisters and I were taught that no one treats you badly unless you ask for it. Prime targets for sociopaths, abusives, con artists……….all the same really.
I find PLs to be exactly the same.”
God-Bless you Sally,
we’re praying for you….
“Oh hell yes. Being raised a Christians my sisters and I were taught that no one treats you badly unless you ask for it. Prime targets for sociopaths, abusives, con artists……….all the same really.
I find PLs to be exactly the same.”
God-Bless you Sally,
we’re praying for you….
Posted by: jasper at September 27, 2007 11:10 PM
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Really? What would that prayer consist of Jasper?
“Really? What would that prayer consist of Jasper?”
A good one, honest and sincere.
Good-Night
hippie- that’s correct, the only current treatments for a diagnosed sociopathic disorder are experimental or ineffective. Many sociopaths learn how to expertly mimic emotional beheviors and can fit into society- but their chemical imbalances are so severe that no drug has been able to correct them sufficiently. It’s a terrible disease.
Well Erin, since sex(a euphemism for pleasure) is soo healthy, then why have millions died from AIDS? Self love begins with masturbation and ends with Sally and Erin preaching pleasure is the reason for the sexual organs. Feel good about encouraging pleasure as the reason for some organ of the body that has made millions suffer a slow death from AIDS? Or do you not encourage male sodomist to seek pleasure through the reproductive organs?
So, Erin, what is the purpose of masturbation?
Your the one who is flopping around the DSM, and pontificating about sociopathic traits.
Care to define the difference between a sociopath and a malignant narcissist?
In fact Erin, when you masturbate, and we know you do, who do you think of when you have reached your most intense moment of your pursuit of pleasure through the use of a organ of the body made to reproduce another human.
Your mother, Your father, or your self?
Now, be honest Erin, and answer the question truthfully.
P.s., Do you encourage eating like a pig also Erin, or are you a one trick pony vicelord?
Tell us Erin, what chemicals are “so imbalanced” in this self lover(a sociopath) who hides waiting for Sally and Erin to take the bait from being naive and inexperienced about life? Exactly how do psychotropic drugs change the sociopath? Or are you going to deny the abilty of modern pharmaceuticals to control a sociopath through drug therapy?
Do you advise a sociopath to masturbate more or less Erin? Or do sociopaths not masturbate Herr Erin? Since a sociopath is only possible of thinking about him/herself only, is masturbation healthy for a self loving sociopath?
Oh, btw Erin, are you naive enough “in life” to still fall for that old “blue balls” routine given out by males to get another to maturbate them?
I haven’t had sex in soo long that my testicles are blue? Why I bet Erin still thinks that is how a male maintains freedom from disease or abnormality; the overall condition of a organism at a given time; soundness, especially of mind and body. Which is the defintion of health according to Houghton Mifflin.
So, Erin, how often should a person masturbate to be “free from disease” of the sex organs?
Or what disease of the reproductive organs are cured by masturbation?
But, I am still waiting for you to answer the purpose of masturbation Erin.
Sally,
MK
Are you aware that many Christian Protestants believe the RCC to be the great whore described in Revelations? Are you aware that many also believe the Popes to be the embodiment of the Antichrist?
It isn’t difficult to understand when so many Protestants were persecuted by the RCC. Much like the Catholics of the UK.
I personally believe all organized religions capable of much hatred and fear mongering.
I was responding to this with the following post, not to the pedophile comments…
I’m not about to judge The Catholic Church by a few men that overstepped their bounds. Wherever you find good, you will find evil corrupting it. If evil was done by the Church it was not done in the spirit of the Church. It was done by corrupt men, evil men, who used Her and perverted her.
Do try to keep up…
why would we want to do anything to COMMEMORATE the atrocity of both the platform for which this woman stood and the venue in which she delivered it? at the least it is confusing the to the youngest among us and at most appalling that we would use words such as commemorate and contest; words that inherently carry a benevolent meaning.
art as a form of expression? yes. art as a form of commemoration for an evil organization, a terrible woman and an evil message? emphatically, NO!
feeling disenfranchised…
yllas, please try to refrain from insults while making your points. Thanks.
Sally, Posted 9/26@7:48pm,
Let’s get out of the sandbox. “Icky poo poo” parts. Please. Yes an exam involves some indignities, but that’s a far cry from molestation and I think we women are well aware of the difference. We also are aware when a physician is making every effort to treat us with as much respect as is possible under the circumstances. Someone will hear from me if I think my doctor’s behavior is inappropriate in any way, and I’m sure that’s true for most women. My doctor also always insists on the presence of a female PCT or nurse during exams.
Bethany,9/28 7:30am
Thank you. I second that.
why would we want to do anything to COMMEMORATE the atrocity of both the platform for which this woman stood and the venue in which she delivered it? at the least it is confusing the to the youngest among us and at most appalling that we would use words such as commemorate and contest; words that inherently carry a benevolent meaning.
art as a form of expression? yes. art as a form of commemoration for an evil organization, a terrible woman and an evil message? emphatically, NO!
feeling disenfranchised…
Deana, I could be wrong, but I think that the reason for this could be because Planned Parenthood is already commemorating Margaret Sanger every year….only, they portray her in a positive light, hailing her as a hero of women’s rights.
I think that the website is doing this to remind everyone that Margaret Sanger is not some wonderful woman that PP claims she is, she’s not a hero, and she didn’t promote women’s rights (she tried to take those rights away).
She was evil, racist, and full of hatred for anyone who she deemed “unfit”, and I think that the whole point of the contest is to counteract that, to go against the grains of what Planned Parenthood celebrates every year. A lot of people actually don’t know the truth about Margaret Sanger. I think it’s good to make sure that others know what she was really all about.
See what Planned Parenthood promotes about Margaret Sanger every year:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/margaret-sanger-planned-parenthood-founder.htm
Again, I could be wrong, but I think that is probably a big part of the reason for the contest.
yllas-
The point of masturbation is to reach an orgasm. An orgasm is a very intense feeling of pleasure. Personally, no, I don’t masturbate, but that’s because it doesn’t work for me.
Currently, no, there is no approved effective treatment to balance a sociopath.
‘Malignant narcissist’ is not a psychological condition. Narcissism itself is a form of obsession with one’s self, but the person is still capable of identifying with other human beings.
Personal questions about my sex life are irrelevant and disrespectful.
Sex is healthy because of all the reasons I ALREADY stated. Sweat produced cleanses the pores, it keeps the heart rate up, it releases chemicals like dopamine and seratonin, which make people happy. It’s a very healthy experience.
Bethany-
Margaret Sanger was a racist. She was a strong supporter of eugenics. It was a very strongly popular field at the time. Many churches would preach sermons based around it. Teenage kids would go to movies about it. It was virtually a fad. Hitler got his idea of ethnic cleansing from the massive movement in the United States.
Doug and Sally, what’s the matter? Did I scare you with my posts. Doug, this is a pro life board. I saw it fit to address molesting abortionists. If you want to talk about corrupt priests, there are boards for that!
Margaret Sanger was a racist. She was a strong supporter of eugenics. It was a very strongly popular field at the time. Many churches would preach sermons based around it. Teenage kids would go to movies about it. It was virtually a fad. Hitler got his idea of ethnic cleansing from the massive movement in the United States.
It was still wrong, regardless of whether it was accepted or not. Margaret Sanger was still a promoter of evil ideals. Any individual that decided that those ideals were acceptable were wrong and fell into an evil mindset as well.
this contest does not promote the truth about the value of life at all stages, which is the counter-message to abortion.
it merely confirms the evil potential of the human condition, and in particular of sanger. we already know this about her, we don’t need to commemorate it.
consider this analogy…if there were an art contest to commemorate hitler’s speech at nuremburg, what would our response be? we already know hitler was a vile racist and that which he stood for has had a ripple effect today.
we need to be about commemorating/declaring the message of life; of hope; of alternatives; of the beauty of all creation, etc.
this contest is so unpalatable to me. i couldn’t put myself in a position to judge who best portrayed evil through art. evil is portraying itself enough through the actions of places like planned parenthood. we must portray the antidote in art, words, action.
You might be right, Deana.
Bethany-
The movement was huge. No one thought that it was wrong. If people do things and don’t know that they’re wrong, they’re innocent in our justice system. Also, evil is a bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think? It may have been a bad idea, but it wasn’t ever implimented. It was just an idea.
Erin says: Margaret Sanger was a racist……..WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!
Lol- for the record though, this was the 20’s and 30’s. EVERYONE was a rascist.
The movement was huge. No one thought that it was wrong. If people do things and don’t know that they’re wrong, they’re innocent in our justice system. Also, evil is a bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think?
No, of course not. It is what it is. I realize that you will not agree, being a moral relativist. We have different world views.
It may have been a bad idea, but it wasn’t ever implemented. It was just an idea.
It was and is an evil idea. Weeding out the “unfit” doesn’t sound horribly wrong to you?
Yes. It sounds like a very bad idea. But I figure, as long as there are no forced breedings, forced abortions, forced pregnancies, forced sterilizations…hey, let them have their idea. I see most viewpoints in the same light. Religion, for example. As long as no one is imposing any religious ideas on me, I’m good. It goes for all viewpoints. When people start to interfere with how other people live, then it’s a problem.
Erin:
“Personal questions about my sex life are irrelevant and disrespectful.”
Thank you for keeping your cool. It shows you are above all that.
“The movement was huge. No one thought that it was wrong. ”
This is untrue. It was not as huge as we are led to believe. The courts were passing laws, but there was a huge movement against this. Which, by the way, is why some of those laws were taken off the books.
Also, Sanger took her eugenics and racism to a top level. She did not think in the mainstream eugenics. Here are a few quotes from her own books –
“Birth Control which has been criticized as negative and destructive,is really the greatest and most truly eugenic method, and its adoption as part of the program of Eugenics would immediately give a concrete and realistic power
to that science. As a matter of fact, Birth Control has been accepted by the most clear thinking and far seeing of the Eugenists themselves as the most constructive and necessary
of the means to racial health.” (Margaret Sanger: The Pivot of Civilization Pg. 189)
***She didn’t push birth control to “free women” but she pushed it as a form of eugenics. It had nothing to do with reproductive rights and everything to do with certain forms of population control.
Valerie- actually, I had thought that the eugenics movement was a lot smaller than it was when I started researching it. I was astonished. And yes, bad, bad me. I made a bad generalization. Of course their were opponents to it, just like every movement. Here, check this.
http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/list3.pl
Go to the link on the left hand side that says ‘Eugenics popularization’
Creepy, no?
Erin. What is the purpose of a orgasm?
To please oneself. What is the ” core problem” with a sociopath? What is the ” core problem” of a narcissistic personality?
Their personalities are “centered” on their “self” , Erin.
Does masturbation increase or decrease a person’s “self centeredness”?
Since you advocate masturbation, how many sociopaths have you encouraged to masturbate? And remember, those sneaky sociopaths “hide in society” according to your pop psychology knowledge. Would you have recommended Cho Sueng Hui to masturbate more or less Erin? After all Erin, you never know who you are preaching to on the net. Do you encourage drunks to drink more? After all, drunks take a object over a person quite easily?
Do you encourage fat people to eat more then demonize them for being fat?
As for the personal remarks Erin, “men start revolutionary change connected to their personal lives” according to Aristotle, which is why one might ask personal questions.
So Erin, since you admit to not practicing masturbation, but preach for the practice of selfish pleasure by masturbation, you have just defined yourself as being a first class hypocrite. Practice what one preaches, Erin. Congratulations, you big hypocrite Erin.
So sweating is going keep a male organ of reproduction free from disease(definition of health).? Do you recommend sweating for prostate cancer and ovarian cancer Erin, you big hypocrite you?
Care to tell us about dopamaine and its affects on personality disorders, such as that hiding amongst you sociopath with a “chemical embalance”?
Is dopamine the “selfishness” drug of narcissism and sociopathic personalities who find a baby in the womb(you can use fetus Erin) a “object” interfering with selfish desires.
Yllas,
In fact, the core problem of a sociopath is their complete lack of a conscience. Narcissism and sociopathy are closely related personality disorders and both can be equally dangerous people. You encounter people like this all the time and never know it so in effect they do “hide in society”. You can better inform yourself by googling sociopathy, narcissism, or personality disorders.
Erin, I’m afraid your biggest mistake was to dignify Yllas’ first crass post with a response.
Thank you Mary for informing me about two personalities disorders. In fact, “sociopathic personalitiy” has given way to NPD.
You may mention a lack of conscience, which is a ill defined word at best, as the prime reason for NPD or sociopathic personality, but the word is subjective at best. Such as Erin corrupting the word health. Your definition of “lack of conscience” may be totally different from mine.
The debate over abortion proves that. Both sides use their “so called conscience” to arrive at their belief about abortion.
In fact, nowhere in the DSM 4, diagnostic criteria for sociopathic personality is the word “conscience” used. See Erin’s post.
It is the “self” or the “behavior of the self” that is the core factor of the behavior of a person, and that interaction with other “selfs.”
But, Mary, let us take the word “conscience” and use it for a minute to “examine the conscience”.
When a perspective course of action comes to mind(should I get a abortion), and it gives rise to anxiety, I must inquire in what direction the anxiety is leading. Does it tend to inhibit, or assist, what I know in conscience, is the better part of me?
For Erin and Sally, the “better part” of them(self), in conscience, is to kill a baby in the womb(fetus if you desire). Erin’s conscience assist him/her to kill. The conscience does not inhibit Erin to not murder a fetus(baby), it shows Erin the “better part” of Erin.
As for me, I arrive at a totally different decision through conscience, which I find is the “better part of me” by not killing a baby(fetus).
Psychology does recognize the word conscience.
It implies morals, and psychology does not have morals within the field. Behavior, yes, reasons for behavior, yes, conscience no.
At best, personality disorders are not concerned with conscience, but behavior only, towards others and towards themself.
That is why I asked Erin about masturbation, the shy vicelord that Erin is, worried about personal matters, while assisting in public killing of babies.
Masturbation is a behavior that rewards the self, and only the self. Both personality disorders mentioned, are concerned with the self and the self’s actions toward others.
And you must know Mary, because you are a bright person,that sociopaths and narcissist actually, in truth, in reality, hate themselves.
Narcissism, by defintion, is the psychological DEFENSE of self love. Sexually, narcissism makes YOUR pleasure, in having YOUR body fondled, the focus of YOUR satisfaction. It makes YOUR pleasure, in playing with the body of another person, the focus of YOUR satisfaction.
All motivation begins with the self and return to the self. Erin motivates him/herself(whoops, the hypocrite Erin does not masturbate, but preaches for the act of masturbation) into more selfish behavior until Erin, is the focus of Erin, in all matters of the self towards others. Hmm, maybe I should change that to Sally in the above sentence, and have bloody Sally deny her masturbatory personality too!!
What does this have to do with Margaret Sanger? She devoted her life to making reality bend to desire from being a person with NPD.
She was a vicelord, who examined her conscience, and found the better part of herself was assisted by being a preacher for vice is virtue through abortion. Ask Erin, she/he knows abortion is a virtue, because Erin knows masturbation is healthy for sociopaths and narcissist.
Anonymous: Doug and Sally, what’s the matter? Did I scare you with my posts. Doug, this is a pro life board. I saw it fit to address molesting abortionists. If you want to talk about corrupt priests, there are boards for that!
Nothing is the matter. Nobody told you there will never be any doctors involved with abortion who won’t break laws, etc. It’s the same as with doctors in general. The point is that in no way does that mean abortion is “bad.” Anecdotal evidence isn’t much at all; it’s like hearsay.
Some bad priests? Of course. Does that mean that religion or the Catholic Church are “bad”? Same deal with those doctors you mentioned.
Doug
yllas: All motivation begins with the self
Definitely.
Doug
yllas,
Whatever. I must admit I’m having a hard time understanding the point of your post or even following the connections between SPD, NPD, and masturbation, but be that as it may. About conscience and the sociopath, I would refer you to “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout where you will find plenty of reference to conscience, or lack thereof. Also googling these topics will give you a wealth of information. As for the subject of masturbation, I am definitely not going there.