Dem exploitation of 12-year-old draws fire
I wrote the other day on the Democrats’ shameless exploitation of brain-damaged, 12-year-old Graeme Frost to read their September 29 weekly radio address promoting their SCHIP expansion plan.
In the statement prepared for him, Frost insinuated he would not have received the help he needed after a presidential veto of the new Democrat plan, which was false.
Now the New York Times reported October 9 the Frost family is coming under fire for having too much means to qualify for SCHIP. Nancy Pelosi managed to exploit the boy again by hiding behind him to avoid fire….
Ms. Pelosi on Tuesday said, “I think it’s really a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against S-chip that they would attack a 12-year-old boy.”
Kudos for spin but not so. Democrats are first to blame, Graeme’s parents second, and Graeme not at all.
As usual, Republicans came on strong against the ploy and backed off. Reported NYT:
But Michelle Malkin, one of the bloggers who have strongly criticized the Frosts, insisted Republicans should hold their ground and not pull punches.
“The bottom line here is that this family has considerable assets,” Ms. Malkin wrote in an e-mail message. “… If Republicans don’t have the guts to hold the line, they deserve to lose their seats.”
As for accusations that bloggers were unfairly attacking a 12-year-old, Ms. Malkin wrote on her blog, “If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.”
I say it’s about time we stopped letting liberals exploit children to advance their agenda. I have witnessed them pushing little diabetics into legislators’ offices to beg for embryonic stem cell funding, even going so far as to give kids insulin shots in the capital halls to make their point.
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From AOL/AP news:
“The critics accused Graeme
Jill’s post said this:
“I wrote the other day on the Democrats’ shameless exploitation of brain-damaged, 12-year-old Graeme Frost to read their September 29 weekly radio address promoting their SCHIP expansion plan.”
Call me crazy, but I seem to recall that it wasn’t the Dems SCHIP plan…it was a completely bipartisan plan.
And again, call me crazy, but how is it a bad thing from a pro-life standpoint to want to provide adequate health care funding for children?
mullah cimoc say mrs. stretchface (in waziristan everyone to using this name for mrs. pelosi- in pastu:
Didn’t someone comment that many of the families who were able to sign up didn’t?
I agree this is a political football. Both sides are probably partly right.
The Republicans have passed out so much money in tax cuts and funding for Iraq and Afghanistan, it seems ridiculous to balk at such a small amount for people who will age out anyway.
I suppose I shouldn’t say too much since I know so little about the details of SCHIP.
I do know that we are facing a $8.9 trillion deficit. I find that more disturbing.
I love translation software. The results are usually hilarious…
Can someone please translate:
mullah cimoc say mrs. stretchface (in waziristan everyone to using this name for mrs. pelosi- in pastu:
Can someone please translate:
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It already HAS been translated. That’s the problem…
Laura,
Did you post that mullah cimoc thing?
It is hilarious!
I haven’t read anything so convoluted since I quit teaching ESL.
Can someone please translate:
mullah cimoc say mrs. stretchface (in waziristan everyone to using this name for mrs. pelosi- in pastu:
When my ESL students didn’t speak well, some of their friends would say, “Come on, English!” or “Can someone translate?” to kind of let them know they weren’t really communicating.
That is what I meant.
Talking about exploitation… what about all the little kids pro-lifers have holding up signs of aborted fetuses? And reading poems/stories about aborted fetuses on youtube? I’m not listening to some 8 year old boy when it comes to my body.
Well, let’s not forget the kiddies on the PC side who carry signs that say “My body , My Choice” It works both ways.
Laura,
Did you post that mullah cimoc thing?
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No, someone who speaks something other than English posted that. I work at a place that has a large international Dairy practice/bull semen brokerage. Translation software gives you wonderful results like, “Cows near to inferno of large. In rage they lactate!”
Where have you ever seen that heather?
Totally changing the subject here – have you read the new post over at the PP Aurora blog, about the ribbon cutting?
staff met at our Aurora center to cut the proverbial ribbon There’s no ribbon cutting grand openings in the Bible. Does she even know what “proverbial” means?
Steve Trombley, our President and CEO, I thought he was low level local nobody who couldn’t speak on behalf of PP.
Try the DC PC march. Or don’t they call it the “March For Women’s Lives?”
“Talking about exploitation… what about all the little kids pro-lifers have holding up signs of aborted fetuses? ”
No comparision.
..good for Michelle Malkin…these Democrats are a despicable group.
Guess what we’re doing today kids! Standing in the snow for five hours holding signs!
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Ya know heather, at least our kids aren’t cold.
And one of our kids even has a toy!
So what Jess. oh..the torture for standing up for life. give us a break.
..good for Michelle Malkin…these Democrats are a despicable group.
Posted by: jasper at October 10, 2007 7:52 PM
Ahh, yes. Speaking of Ms. Malkin, an earlier post on this site rather nastily referred to Eric Zorn in conjunction with a reference to and photographs of the Japanese-American internment camps. The suggestion being that the camps were very, very bad, and somehow Zorn’s “profile” of pro-lifers was similar.
You are all of course aware that the internment camps were A-OK with Michelle Malkin, right? She wrote an entire book on the topic, talking about how swell they were. I think that perhaps Michelle Malkin is the last person whose thinking and discernment on any particular topic is something that you would want to either emulate or praise.
Why You Should March
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We are prepared to protect our right to abortion, birth control and all reproductive health services, as well as our right to have children and plan our own families without government interference. We will never go back to the days before Roe v. Wade when women died from illegal abortions.
Marches can make a difference. The March for Women’s Lives will be a galvanizing event at a critical time in our nation. This may be the day we all look back on and say, “That’s when we turned the corner toward winning full reproductive rights for all women.”
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So what Jess. oh..the torture for standing up for life. give us a break.
Posted by: jasper at October 10, 2007 8:01 PM
I think that the “so what” is the point that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. This post is all about how Dems are supposedly “using” a child to make a political point. Jess’s post is pointing out that your side does the same thing.
It’s either a bad thing to use children to score political points or it isn’t, regardless of which end of the political spectrum you are occupying.
This is comical, if you break it down. OK, their lives and reproductive freedom is in danger? Abortion has been legal for 34 years. You guys keep on telling us that we are foolish to even protest abortion, because we will never stop it. Which is it?
What does that have to do with this thread?
Another thing, One girl was wearing a shirt that read: “Hands Off My Vagina”…Who put their hands on your vagina, girl?!! Want to talk about it? Another good one “The Only Bush I Trust Is My Own.” LOL! Now George Bush is responsible for your unplanned pregnancy? They never stop. Well, if you trust your bush, then why are you having abortions??
I was asked about the Women’s Death March.
Marches can make a difference. The March for Women’s Lives will be a galvanizing event at a critical time in our nation. This may be the day we all look back on and say, “That’s when we turned the corner toward winning full reproductive rights for all women.”
************************************************* You have had full “reproductive rights” for 34 years!
You have had full “reproductive rights” for 34 years!
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So have you.
I’m not the one complaining about it, and I’m not having any abortions.
Jess said: “Ya know heather, at least our kids aren’t cold.”
True… so the next time the Supreme Court rules that it’s OK to kill a certain group of people, can you make sure that the decision is made in the summer?
Children at pro-life protests are simply there to participate. Graeme Frost, on the other hand, is being used as a rhetorical human shield by the likes of Nancy Pelosi and friends, to guard themselves from criticism. That is what is despicable. It doesn’t matter if you support S-CHIP or not; children shouldn’t be used in this way.
John, LOL! Also, this proves that we shall brave the cold. We aren’t wimps.
I actually watched most of the “March for Women’s Lives” on C-Span back when it happened. It was comical to see the huge crowds who had no blasted idea what was going on. One speaker after another talked about “choice”, and the crowd looked mighty perplexed, waiting for the part of the rally that was actually about health care instead of about killing children.
The organizers boasted that over a million people showed up to protest, but from what I saw, a good percentage didn’t know what the heck the protest was all about.
You have had full “reproductive rights” for 34 years!
Not true. You folks have been chipping away at Roe for decades, ratcheting up restrictions in conservative states, some of which are down to 1 clinic serving the entire state. Full reproductive rights does not mean having to drive hundreds of miles to obtain legal medical care. Full reproductive rights does not mean nonsense like the Bush global gag rule, either.
Regarding the March for Women’s Lives, I was there. I went to DC and marched. I saw what million people on the mall looks like, rallying for our cause. It was a proud moment for me, and I won’t ever forget it.
Heather, your misinterpretations of some really fun signs and slogans have me LOL! Either you really don’t get it or you are intentionally denying the intended meanings in a way that is entirely devoid of wit.
Talking about exploitation… what about all the little kids pro-lifers have holding up signs of aborted fetuses? And reading poems/stories about aborted fetuses on youtube? I’m not listening to some 8 year old boy when it comes to my body.
Thanks for bringing this up, Jess. It was the first thing that I thought of when I saw this article. Some of the kids I have seen in front of clinics, tired and thirsty while they give pleading looks to women walking trying to walk past, seemed awfully exploited looking to me.
Ray, you have it backwards.
Chipping away at Roe? Why shouldn’t we? There are 1.3 million abortions per year! Who is having these abortions? I thought the PC mantra was “Let’s keep abortion safe, legal and RARE!” Does 1.3 million abortions a year sound rare to you? You guys have totally abused it.
Ray, yes. It’s much healthier for children to see livid women waving coat hangers around.
Ray, do you work at an abortion clinic?
Ray, do you work at an abortion clinic?
Posted by: Carrie at October 10, 2007 9:26 PM
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Carrie, do you have gingivitis? Heart burn? That not so fresh feeling?
Ray, the reason you guys are losing your abortion clinics is because more and more doctors are botching abortions. More abortionists are sexually assalting their patients, and more women are dying from LEGAL abortion. We actually are FOR women AND children!
Good point Heather…
Ray said: “Full reproductive rights does not mean having to drive hundreds of miles to obtain legal medical care. Full reproductive rights does not mean nonsense like the Bush global gag rule, either.”
In other words, “full reproductive rights” means an abortion mill on every street corner, condoms distributed along with the Eucharist in Catholic Churches, and a “family planning tax” so that American taxpayers are forced to pay for abortions, both foreign and domestic.
Ray also said: “Heather, your misinterpretations of some really fun signs and slogans have me LOL!”
Yes, my personal favorite pro-abortion protest signs are the ones which lament that the pope wasn’t aborted. As a Catholic, I especially appreciate you guys wishing death on the leader of my church.
Though, actually, the absolute best pro-abortion propaganda I’ve ever seen is Planned Parenthood’s “Choice on Earth” Christmas cards. Oh yes, the not-so-subtle implication that Jesus Christ himself should have been aborted. That’s just lovely.
jasper, thank you! John, ROFLMAO!
Without taking sides, let’s be honest, taking kids to demonstrations teaches them how to participate in democracy regardless of what the topic is.
Kids get hot, tired and bored in PE class, at soccer games and in school. Hanging out with mom or dad at a boring protest does not constitute exploitation.
They hear and see the same thing at home anyway. After all they live with these folks.
Indoctrinating your kids is a time honored tradition, no matter what you believe.
“Planned Parenthood’s “Choice on Earth” Christmas cards”
oh, you’ve gut to be kidding John? I’ll bet you’re right, I think I’ve heard of that before…
No joke, jasper:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29787
John, I was actually laughing at your other post. I missed it before. The other one is sad and cruel!
a “family planning tax” so that American taxpayers are forced to pay for abortions, both foreign and domestic.
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Why not?
I’m single and childless, and you wouldn’t believe the way I get gouged tax-wise. I get to pay for everyone who breeds on my dime, and I also get to pay to educate and incarcerate their little reprobates. You don’t want to pay for abortions? Cool! I don’t want to pay for an expensive hobby like childbearing.
Ray, the reason you guys are losing your abortion clinics is because more and more doctors are botching abortions.
This is a complete fabrication, heather. Why do you folks insist on making wingbat statments like this?
Carrie, I do not work in a clinic.
Thanks, Sally. Much better snark than I could think of.
John, there is not the slightest hint that Jesus should have been aborted in the slogan “Choice on Earth,” but rather an echo of “Peace on Earth.” Frankly, the slogan sounds like a nice sentiment, to me.
And I wouldn’t wish death on anyone, leader of a church or otherwise, but I think that in maintaining their stand on birth control and abortion, the popes have been responsible for creating a shocking amount of poverty and misery around the world.
And we have to pay taxes on botched abortions, and perverted, incarcerated abortionists.
Laura,
I haven’t checked for about five years, but when I last checked, each of us will need at least 14 people working to pay our SS and Medicare benefits.
Since there will be more like 3, they will be taxed up to their eyeballs to pay for us.
I will look for the reference later. When I find it, I will post it.
Sally, the offer I made on another thread still stands.
Abortion doctor gets 34 years for sex abuse of patients
Jan. 2, 2004 11:10 AM
Jurors in the Brian Finkel case deliberated for 14 days before returning a mixed verdict.
Brian Finkel, a once prominent Phoenix abortion doctor, was sentenced to more than 34 years in prison Friday for sexually abusing patients over a span of nearly two decades in his high-profile practice.
Finkel was also ordered to register as a sex offender and placed on lifetime probation should he serve out his 34? -year prison sentence.
A jury convicted the 54-year-old physician last month on 22 counts of sex abuse. It also acquitted him of 34 more counts, including six of the more serious charges of sexual assault.
The sentencing comes after three months of emotion-packed testimony from 32 victims who said the doctor pinched their breasts, or kissed or fondled them during examinations. He denied the charges.
Jurors deliberated 15 days before reaching their verdict. They refused to talk about how they reached the verdict.
Finkel, who performed more than 30,000 abortions over the past 20 years, had become a national figure in the 1990s. He often appeared on network talk shows denouncing the growing violence of abortion protesters, who he compared to terrorists. He wore a bullet-proof vest and patrolled his Phoenix abortion clinic with a gun, saying they were necessary to protect himself and his clients from attacks.
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By From Staff Reports
East Valley Tribune
Updated: 1:50 p.m. ET Jan. 02, 2004
Valley abortion doctor Brian Finkel was sentenced today to 34 3/4 years for the sexual abuse of
13 women.
Finkel, 53, was sentenced in Maricopa County Superior Court after jurors found him guilty on 22 counts of sexual abuse.
He was acquitted on 34 other sexual offenses and jurors were unable to reach verdicts on four other counts. The jury found Finkel either fondled the breasts or rubbed the genitals of 13 women who went to him as far back as 1986 for abortions or gynecological examinations.
Before grand jury indictments in October 2001 and January 2002 effectively ended his practice, Finkel was an outspoken abortion provider who railed against the anti-abortion movement and even other abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood, which he called “feminine separatists.”
He performed abortions with a handgun in a shoulder holster, which he carried after being assaulted by anti-abortion protesters, and his Phoenix clinic was a fortress of magnetically locked doors and bulletproof glass that was situated to be difficult for protesters to get near.
The beginning of the end of Finkel’s 30-year practice came in March 2000 when a 39-year-old Scottsdale woman who visited him for an abortion, reported to police that Finkel groped her breasts as she was waking from anesthesia, according to court testimony and records.
The case eventually fell into the hands of the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, which found other police reports with similar claims by patients.
Media attention on the investigation brought out other women, and eventually two grand juries returned indictments totaling 67 counts and 35 accusers. Maricopa County Attorney Richard Romley said there were 70 other women who made allegations but weren’t part of the prosecution.
Heather, it is indeed sad and cruel, but, unfortunately, true.
Laura, feel free to throw away your “choice” argument as you push for taxpayers to fund abortion. You can hardly hide behind the rhetoric of “choice” if you’re asking us to pay for it. I expect you to embrace the label of “pro-abortion” now.
And we have to pay taxes on botched abortions, and perverted, incarcerated abortionists.
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 9:50 PM
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Yeah Heather – you just come up with the figures on that, and I’ll come up with the figures we spend on irresponsible breeders.
Is this fabricated? We will be paying for “Chester the Molester” to sit in the clink for the next 34 years.
Ray wrote:
“And I wouldn’t wish death on anyone, leader of a church or otherwise, but I think that in maintaining their stand on birth control and abortion, the popes have been responsible for creating a shocking amount of poverty and misery around the world.”
Posted by: Ray at October 10, 2007 9:49 PM
I was reading a analysis of foreign aid by NGOs that found in virtually all of the poverty stricken nations, government graft and corruption accounted for the poverty and misery and thwarted the efforts of relief workers. I don’t remember right now where I saw it. I will try to look for it later.
Mississippi Abortion Practitioner Who Botched Abortions Suspended Email this article
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by Maria Vitale Gallagher
LifeNews.com Staff Writer
March 21, 2005
Jackson, MS (LifeNews.com) — A Mississippi abortion practitioner whose patients suffered damaging and even deadly complications has been suspended indefinitely by the state medical board. The suspension of Dr. Malachy Dehenre came after he testified that he did not like performing some 35,000 abortions but did so because he needed the work.
?I ask your forgiveness,? said the 54-year-old Dehenre. “I don’t want to be an outcast. I want to be among the medical community.”
Dehenre has been under temporary suspension since August. He had performed abortions at the New Woman Medical Center in Jackson and the facility closed following his suspension.
In December, an Alabama medical board found Dehenre guilty of gross malpractice in four abortions. In one case, a woman died 18 hours after having an abortion. The women involved in the other three cases had to have hysterectomies to stop massive hemorrhaging from uterine perforations.
During his testimony, Dehenre stated, “I found work in Jackson, and it happened to be an abortion clinic in which an obstetrician was needed. I needed money to pay expenses and education for my children. It was supposed to be temporary, but it turned out to be longer. I was in a position I didn’t want to be in, but I needed work.”
In the case involving a death, Dehenre admitted he should have met the patient at the hospital or relayed medical information to the doctor who treated her.
“We hope to hear from you at a later date when you get things straight in Alabama,” Mississippi board president Dr. Dewitt G. Crawford of Louisville told Dehenre.
Dehenre will have to regain his license in Alabama before he can seek reinstatement in Mississippi. The Alabama suspension will last at least one year.
Pat Cartrette, executive director of Pro-Life Mississippi, told the press, “I am pleased that the board made the right decision. … What they did will keep women safe in Mississippi.”
In a statement issued last year, Pro-Life Mississippi said Dehenre ?is now being held accountable for the injuries and death to women at abortion clinics and we thank God that both women and their unborn babies are now safe from this abortionist.?
Related web sites:
Pro-Life Mississippi – http://www.prolifemississippi.org
Laura, feel free to throw away your “choice” argument as you push for taxpayers to fund abortion. You can hardly hide behind the rhetoric of “choice” if you’re asking us to pay for it. I expect you to embrace the label of “pro-abortion” now.
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Wow. You must be “pro-illegitimate-Wefare-check-baby” if you’re asking me to pay for them.
Front alley abortion clinic – CLOSED !
Category: News and Politics
After 5 Years Without Inspection, Abortion Clinic Closed
By Kevin Mooney
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 01, 2007
Part I. (CNSNews.com) – New Jersey health officials are not inspecting abortion clinics in that state regularly, apparently because they don’t have the resources or the manpower. In one case, an abortion facility was not inspected for five years, and when inspectors finally visited, they found numerous, often morbid, violations, which led to the clinic losing its license and shutting down.
“The lack of health inspections at these clinics speaks volumes about the sentiment to reduce abortion at all costs to the detriment of women,” Marie Tasey, executive director of New Jersey Right to Life, told Cybercast News Service. “The current elected officials in power all cater to [the abortionists’] agenda.”
The facility that shut down — Alternatives, in Atlantic City, N.J. — was cited for multiple health violations in a 116-page report released through the state’s Department of Health and Senior Services this past summer. Some of the key violations spelled out in the report include the presence of blood under operating tables, expired drugs and rusty IV poles.
State rules call for abortion clinics and other ambulatory facilities to be examined every two years. But the Department of Health and Senior Services lacks the resources and standards to maintain that pace, Tom Slater, a department spokesman, told Cybercast News Service.
“There are more ambulatory facilities in New Jersey than there are in New York and Pennsylvania combined,” said Slater.
Nonetheless, the department answers every complaint and conducts on-site investigations whenever a complaint involves matters that could jeopardize patient care, he said.
The number of “ambulatory care” facilities — which includes abortion clinics — in New Jersey has grown from 590 to more than 1,000 in the past few years. Yet the health department’s staffing has increased from 125 to 150 in the same period, said Slater.
The inspection report with regard to Alternatives was the first one issued in six years, according to a story published in The Press of Atlantic City.
“For whatever reason, they [Alternatives] never submitted a corrective action plan, and since the facility was closed there was no other action we could take,” Slater said.
Metropolitan Associates in Englewood, N.J., another abortion clinic, was also closed earlier this year but has since re-opened, The Press of Atlantic City reported.
“I think any time an abortion clinic shuts down, it’s a victory for the pro-life movement,” said Tasey.
“Clearly, there is a double standard in New Jersey when it comes to abortion,” she said, adding that the same elected officials who express concern over the health and well-being of women willfully overlook the unsavory practices that take place in abortion clinics.
New Jersey residents on both sides of the abortion issue could find common ground regarding certain practices that have been uncovered in the clinics, Tasey suggested.
“Regardless of your position on abortion, you should be outraged,” she said. “These people claim to care about women and claim to be such wonderful advocates for women, and yet they’re turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to these abuses occurring in abortion clinics in New Jersey.”
Ray said: “John, there is not the slightest hint that Jesus should have been aborted in the slogan “Choice on Earth,” but rather an echo of “Peace on Earth.” Frankly, the slogan sounds like a nice sentiment, to me.”
Do you take me for an idiot? I know an implication that Jesus Christ should have been aborted when I see it. The Virgin Mary would have been considered a perfect candidate for “choice”. A poor, pregnant, teenager who had to go on a long, difficult journey. If you would deny that Planned Parenthood and company would recommend abortion in this circumstance, you are living in a fantasy land.
Abortion patients ARE the irresponsible breeders!
Laura said: “Wow. You must be “pro-illegitimate-Wefare-check-baby” if you’re asking me to pay for them.”
Yes, I am in favor of babies, regardless of their social or economic status. And you are pro-abortion.
Another Botched abortion victim in Arizona
Culture/Society News Keywords: BOTCHED ABORTION, HYSTERCTOMY
Source: Arizona Republic
Published: 2.6.01 Author: Jodie Snyder and Christina Leonard
Posted on 02/06/2001 08:44:09 PST by victim soul
Woman hospitalized after having abortion
A 39-year-old woman was hospitalized Saturday morning with complications from an abortion and had to have an emergency hysterectomy.
Dr. Robert Tamis, who performed the abortion at his clinic at 3549 E. Cambridge St., said the woman was 18 weeks’ pregnant and had the abortion for medical reasons.
The procedure went fine, but before she was ready to be discharged, she started vomiting and felt “shocky,” Tamis said.
He tried to stabilize her, but her blood pressure did not improve.
Paramedics were called about 10:20 a.m., and firefighters who arrived at the clinic found that the woman, whose name was not released, had been given fluids and was conscious, Phoenix fire Capt. Chris Ketterer said.
The woman was taken by ambulance to St. Luke’s Medical Center, where a surgery team apparently was waiting. Tamis said he stayed with his patient and rode with her to the hospital.
Police were not called to the clinic.
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Arizona passed clinic regulations laws after the Biskind incident where a woman died for lack of care. However, it has been reported that clinics in Arizona still operate without compliance.
Reno’s Justice Department in conclusion with Big Abortion has severely punished sidewalk counselors and pro-life witnesses outside these killing centers in courts all across America but Arizona and the Justice Dept. can’t enforce its own laws against violence against women and children in so-called reproductive health centers?
Beam me up,Scotty!
Heather, I can imagine you cutting and pasting with baited breath, but 3 or so convictions over the past several years out of thousands of doctors does not equal “more and more doctors are botching abortions.”
In fact, I suspect it would pale in comparison to the rate of lawsuits against ob/gyns for botched deliveries. And I freely admit that I do not have statistics or a handy link to back up my conjecture, which is why I used the qualifier, “I suspect.”
Ray, are you kidding me? Do you know how many more articles there are TO cut and paste? I’d be here for weeks. There are pages and pages of this stuff!
But hippie, it’s so much easier to blame poverty on the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was responsible for all of the world’s problems before it was cool to ‘blame it on Bush’. Did you know one of the Popes killed Socrates? I read it on an anti-Catholic website, so it must be true!
Another Botched abortion victim in Arizona
Nowhere in the story quoted does it say the abortion was botched. If she had the abortion for medical reasons, what makes you think she would have been better off carrying the fetus to term? An abortion at 18 weeks is very tricky, and would not have been undertaken lightly. And the doctor sounds like he was very responsible, riding with her in the ambulance to the hospital.
I’m just throwing it out there to show you guys that you are digging your own graves. Your abortionists are screwing up royally.
12/19/2005
Sen. Barbara Boxer Demands Immediate Suspension of Abortionist’s License
Operation Rescue Applauds Boxer’s Effort to Stop Laurence Reich
PANORAMA CITY, Calif., Dec. 19 /Christian Wire Service/ — Senator Barbara Boxer, known for her rabidly pro-abortion views, has demanded that the Osteopathic Medical Board of California immediately suspend the license of Abortionist Laurence Reich.
In a strongly worded letter, Boxer referred to a recent CNN report about Reich that detailed Reich’s criminal past as a sexual predator, but failed to mention that he is an abortionist.
“I never thought I would agree with Barbara Boxer on anything, but I whole-heartedly support her demand for the immediate suspension of abortionist Laurence Reich’s license in the interest of public safety,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “If someone like Sen. Boxer can see that this abortionist is a danger to the community, you know he must be a very dangerous man.”
Operation Rescue reported on October 31, 2005, that Reich, a frequent focus of Operation Rescue demonstrations, had been convicted of sexually molesting his patients in 2002, but three years later the Osteopathic Medical Board still had not decided upon appropriate discipline. Reich had previously been convicted of sexually abusing his patients in incidents stemming back to the 1970s and was placed on 10 years probation, which was completed in 1994.
Reich is listed as the “medical director” for a small chain of Southern California abortion mills called Clinica Medica Para La Mujer De Hoy. According to the owner of the abortion mills, Bertha Bugarin, the chain targets women in the Hispanic community.
“We believe that Reich has found that the Hispanic Community is the perfect stalking grounds for his sexual attacks,” said OR spokesperson Cheryl Sullenger, who has followed Reich’s nefarious career and lodged complaints against him. “Women who may be in the U.S. illegally are especially vulnerable to exploitation because they are less likely to report a man like him to the authorities. We applaud Senator Boxer’s efforts to stop Reich from further exploiting women
The Abortion Underworld
By William Norman Grigg
Published: 2001-01-15 06:00 Abortion | Email this page | printer friendly version
Two human beings died as a result of a December 1996 abortion performed by Bruce Steir: The 20-week-old unborn child carried by 27-year-old Sharon Hamptlon, and the mother herself.
Ray, this is why we want abortion stopped.
Ray, this is why we want abortion stopped.
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:21 PM
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Gee, then you’ll REALLY want to have pregnancy and childbirth outlawed! OB’s appear to be the biggest quacks in medicine:
From ACOG-
Ob.gyns. have an average of 2.6 claims filed against them during their careers. During the time period covered by the survey, obstetric claims accounted for 61% of claims against ob.gyns. The top four primary obstetric allegations in 1999-2002 were infant neurologic impairment (34%); stillbirth or neonatal death (15%); other major infant injury (7%); and delay in diagnosis or failure to diagnose (7%).
Gynecologic claims accounted for 38% of claims against ob.gyns. during the same time period. Of these, delay in diagnosis or failure to diagnose accounted for 29% of the claims, and major patient injuries accounted for 25%.
In addition to dropping obstetrics, ACOG fellows made the following changes as a result of the risk of liability claims:
* Decreased the amount of high-risk obstetric care (22%).
* Stopped offering or performing vaginal births after cesareans (15%).
* Decreased the number of gynecologic surgical procedures performed (12%).
* Halted major gynecologic surgery (6%).
Abortion patients ARE the irresponsible breeders!
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:01 PM
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Genius…
Ray, this is why we want abortion stopped.
Copy and paste all night, and you are still talking about an insignificant percentage of over a million annual procedures domestically. It may well be more dangerous to drive to and from the clinic than to have an abortion, especially with protesters and their signs blocking sight lines for turns in and out of the clinic driveway.
Risks of Surgical Abortions
So long as a woman goes to a licensed clinic, abortions are generally thought to be safe. However, as they are a type of surgery, there are a number of risks and complications associated with surgical abortions:
Incomplete abortion
Infection
Extremely heavy bleeding
Allergic reaction to medication
Uterine blood clots
Torn or severed cervix
Uterine puncture damaging other organs
Death ******************************************************** here’s one for SOMG.
I found this on a PP web site. LOL! Ray, typical. I have backed up my facts. Next time, back up yours.
Thanks for the stats, Laura. I suspected something like this was the case.
Ray, this is why we want abortion stopped.
Heather, are we finished with the abortion injuring women sideshow yet? Because face it, even if we get you to admit that abortion is safer than lots of other things in life, and that millions of women have had complication-free abortions peformed by competent doctors, you and the antis will still oppose abortion on your moral grounds. So please drop this red herring of an argument.
I found this on a PP web site. LOL! Ray, typical. I have backed up my facts. Next time, back up yours.
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:41 PM
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No, you didn’t.
You found a few ugly stories. What percentage of abortion practitioners are sued or jailed?
The numbers on obstetricians are staggering. You have nothing but a handful of anecdotal cases.
Ray, that’s fine. Keep on believing what you want to believe. I can’t change you.
Ray, that’s fine. Keep on believing what you want to believe. I can’t change you.
Heather, belief doesn’t enter into this line of argument. I have said it before…you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
Again, you are going off topic. This is a blog about abortion. If you want to talk about corrupt dentists, priests, and OB’s, there are also boards for that. Just stop blaming the RTlfers for wanting to put a stop to this. Your own abortionists are doing a fine job at helping us make our case.
We’ve also established that the risk of abortion-related death is almost 1 in 100,000, while the death rate from liposuction complications is 20 in 100,000.
If Heather is so adamant about saving women, why isn’t she marching in some “Death to Fat-Suckers” demonstration?
Because this isn’t about liposuction.
Heather, belief doesn’t enter into this line of argument. I have said it before…you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
Posted by: Ray at October 10, 2007 10:52 PM What? I’ve just posted facts, not my own opinions. Please run “botched abortion” through your search engine. See for yourself.
Ray, if someone handed you a live, aborted baby and asked you to put it in a soiled utility room to die, would you do it?
Your own abortionists are doing a fine job at helping us make our case.
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:52 PM
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Well then, I guess all of those quack obstetricians are making the case for nice safe abortions!
Ray, if someone handed you a live, aborted baby and asked you to put it in a soiled utility room to die, would you do it?
Thank you for proving my point. This isn’t about the safety of women in abortion procedures. You just don’t like abortion.
So now that we are changing the subject, if abortion should be illegal, how many years should a woman spend in jail for getting one?
if someone handed you a live, aborted baby and asked you to put it in a soiled utility room to die, would you do it?
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:59 PM
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Does it owe me money?
Well, he obviously wouldn’t be able to ever owe you any money.
This ‘debate’ (I really hope) will take a turn. So far, in talking, most people argue over ‘rights” and we neglect the qualifying term ‘human’ … as in ‘human-rights’. We too often relegate this term to some background/unspoken place.
Doug and Enigma are two of the many, who have little problems comprehending that the unborn are living HUMAN beings. Enigma has even suggested the term ‘human fetus’ as a compromise accurate replacement term for ‘baby’.
Strange, we all have the notion that all ‘rights’ must exist at one time … but, if we think of rights as accumulations, then we have: primary ‘HUMAN’ rights – at conception – the US constitution talks of these ‘rights’ as: “… LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness …
A second set of human-‘rights’ comes at birth – beginning of legal personhood, but not the beginning of being ‘human’. This second set of rights builds or the initial set, but does not replace it.
A third set of human-‘rights’ comes with maturation – voting, independence – especially in financial dealings but also in justice terms – why you will go-to-jail(pay-a-fine) and not your parents, … etc. These too build-on former rights and do not negate them. A woman does not have any right to override the rights of any ‘human’ being … even within her own womb … she does however have an obligation (not yet legal) to carry-to-term.
We are concerned with ‘human’ rights. There are multiple stages of being ‘human’. Becoming a ‘person’ may be in a legal frame of reference, but does not dismiss what went before.
John: Doug and Enigma are two of the many, who have little problems comprehending that the unborn are living HUMAN beings. Enigma has even suggested the term ‘human fetus’ as a compromise accurate replacement term for ‘baby’.
John, the “little problem,” if any, is that your argument is apparently so weak that you feel compelled to make up stuff about other people. “Human being” = physical reality = not at issue IMO.
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Strange, we all have the notion that all ‘rights’ must exist at one time
Wrong again.
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… but, if we think of rights as accumulations, then we have: primary ‘HUMAN’ rights – at conception – the US constitution talks of these ‘rights’ as: “… LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness …
No – rights are “accumulated” when they are attributed.
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A second set of human-‘rights’ comes at birth – beginning of legal personhood, but not the beginning of being ‘human’. This second set of rights builds or the initial set, but does not replace it.
Biological fact, i.e. that “human” is not the same thing as rights.
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A third set of human-‘rights’ comes with maturation – voting, independence – especially in financial dealings but also in justice terms – why you will go-to-jail(pay-a-fine) and not your parents, … etc. These too build-on former rights and do not negate them. A woman does not have any right to override the rights of any ‘human’ being … even within her own womb … she does however have an obligation (not yet legal) to carry-to-term.
True – different things are granted at different times.
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We are concerned with ‘human’ rights. There are multiple stages of being ‘human’. Becoming a ‘person’ may be in a legal frame of reference, but does not dismiss what went before.
Again, physical reality is one thing, and rights are another.
Doug
@Doug,
the major problem I have always had with your frame-of-reference was that an stable value like ‘rights’ is superceded by something changeable like the will = (want or not-want). In many ways you speak of ‘rights’ and in the next breath say these are of less importance than the caprice of the mother. It seems (for you) such a decision is fixed in stone and is not fluctuating like the tide.
we here are talking about ‘human’ rights , not ‘legal person’ rights as in your case; and not ‘human-fetal’ rights as with Enigma. Any person’s initial set of rights comes at conception ((the US constitution)) and this does not change no matter the biological circumstances. Now, like all ‘rights’ these are not ‘see-able’/visible, but they nevertheless exist.
The granting of ‘rights’ is not an aspect of government but ‘rights’ recognition is. [The US-constitution did not articulate a set-of-corresponding ‘responsibilities’ … especially involving the ‘maturation’-rights … (perhaps it’s weakness.) Any government does have a say in legal entities and as citizens. But such extension into other areas … like gestational rights is not in-the-same-framework as legal sanctions … ie. disciplining women who abort.
We often misuse the mantra: ‘let the time suit the crime’. We must think of abortion as-a-crime-against-humanity and less of abortion as a sanctionable-crime within normal legal precepts.
Another Graeme Frost commentary. Michelle Malkin is a moron:
Op-Ed Columnist
Sliming Graeme Frost
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 12, 2007
Two weeks ago, the Democratic response to President Bush
staff met at our Aurora center to cut the proverbial ribbon There’s no ribbon cutting grand openings in the Bible. Does she even know what “proverbial” means?
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Do you?
Adj. 1. proverbial – of or relating to or resembling or expressed in a proverb; “he kicked the proverbial bucket”; “the proverbial grasshopper”
2. proverbial – widely known and spoken of; “her proverbial lateness”; “the proverbial absentminded professor”; “your proverbial dizzy blonde”
known – apprehended with certainty; “a known quantity”; “the limits of the known world”; “a musician known throughout the world”; “a known criminal”
Thanks for posting the Krugman article Laura. Malkin really is an idiot. Do you remember when she actually travelled to Iraq to “expose” a “phony” media source who turned out to be completely legitimate?
I eagerly await Stanek, Malkin, et al’s retractions of their smears on this family…but I won’t hold my breath.
Laura,
Please stop wasting bytes and pixels on a Marxist wimp like Paul Krugman.
I eagerly await Stanek, Malkin, et al’s retractions of their smears on this family…but I won’t hold my breath.
Posted by: Carol at October 12, 2007 5:28 AM
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They’ve never done more to endorse the “life begins at conception and ends at birth” stereotype of Republican Conservatives.
Thanks for posting the Krugman article Laura. Malkin really is an idiot.
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I’m pretty sure she’s O’Reilly’s “Loofa Love.”
Doug wrote,
“Again, physical reality is one thing, and rights are another.”
Doug
Posted by: Doug at October 11, 2007 2:15 PM
I think physical reality should have a bearing on the decisions we make.
While a situation and its description are not the same thing, our decisions need to be based on the situation not on its description.
If our rights aren’t based on physical reality, what then?
For population and representation purposes slaves were two thirds of a person. That is not physical reality. That is the rights of the state for population statistics.
Physical reality doesn’t count?
John: the major problem I have always had with your frame-of-reference was that an stable value like ‘rights’ is superceded by something changeable like the will = (want or not-want). In many ways you speak of ‘rights’ and in the next breath say these are of less importance than the caprice of the mother. It seems (for you) such a decision is fixed in stone and is not fluctuating like the tide.
John, rights are not “stable.” Maybe they are attributed and maybe not. It is by the will of some entity, commonly society, that they are attributed. In no way is the decision fixed in stone – I’ve never said anything to that effect.
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we here are talking about ‘human’ rights , not ‘legal person’ rights as in your case; and not ‘human-fetal’ rights as with Enigma. Any person’s initial set of rights comes at conception ((the US constitution)) and this does not change no matter the biological circumstances. Now, like all ‘rights’ these are not ‘see-able’/visible, but they nevertheless exist.
No, John, in no way does the Constitution grant rights to the unborn. You might wish for such a thing, but it’s not true.
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The granting of ‘rights’ is not an aspect of government but ‘rights’ recognition is. [The US-constitution did not articulate a set-of-corresponding ‘responsibilities’ … especially involving the ‘maturation’-rights … (perhaps it’s weakness.) Any government does have a say in legal entities and as citizens. But such extension into other areas … like gestational rights is not in-the-same-framework as legal sanctions … ie. disciplining women who abort.
Nope, it’s a matter of granting or not. After the fact of that, other entities may recognize said rights or not, of course, but the attribution or not is the real question in the abortion debate.
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We often misuse the mantra: ‘let the time suit the crime’. We must think of abortion as-a-crime-against-humanity and less of abortion as a sanctionable-crime within normal legal precepts.
No, in no way must we think that.
Doug
“Again, physical reality is one thing, and rights are another.”
Hippie: I think physical reality should have a bearing on the decisions we make.
While a situation and its description are not the same thing, our decisions need to be based on the situation not on its description.
If our rights aren’t based on physical reality, what then?
Rights are based on the desire of the entity that attributes rights.
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For population and representation purposes slaves were two thirds of a person. That is not physical reality. That is the rights of the state for population statistics. Physical reality doesn’t count?
It wasn’t the physical reality of the slaves that was in question. Population statistics? Okay, but that isn’t the deal, either. They were not granted many of the rights that most are. The “2/3 of a person” isn’t referring to physical reality at all.
Doug
Sally, the offer I made on another thread still stands.
Posted by: Carrie at October 10, 2007 9:52 PM
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The threads are pulled too fast for me to keep up! I completely applogize for not remembering what your offer was. I’ve spent the last two days working intensively on other’s issues requiring my full concentration.
Please remind me of what your offer was.Please?
Ray, if someone handed you a live, aborted baby and asked you to put it in a soiled utility room to die, would you do it?
Posted by: heather at October 10, 2007 10:59 PM
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An ‘abortion’ resulting in a live ‘baby’ is called a delivery.
Sally, that post was from several days ago. This is the last post of yours I will be responding to.
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