4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days snubs and snobs

While pro-life themed Juno soared past the $100 million earnings mark this weekend, the critically acclaimed anti-life film 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days opened in just 2 theatres nationwide.
And while the The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences nominated Juno for Best Picture, it snubbed Sure Thing 4 Months (see below) for Best Foreign Film.
More evidence Hollywood has begun to bank on life? I think so.
You can’t tell by the trailer what 4 Months is about, unless you have abortion on the brain, as I do. Wonder why they hid the sole topic of the movie, a mother’s length of gestation before aborting:



MSM critics everywhere have been trying to pump life into 4 Months for several months. A New York Times critic named it the #1 movie of 2007. This week’s People magazine gave 4 Months 4 stars and stamped it as its “Critic’s Choice”.
Awards for 4 Months are impressive: Cannes Film Festival Golden Palm, Golden Globe Awards 2007 Best Foreign Language Film, European Film Awards Best European Film, Hollywood Film Festival’s Best Film, San Sebastian International Film Festival Film of the Year, Stockholm Film Festival Best Film, National Board of Review Top Five Foreign Films, Los Angeles Film Critics Association Best Foreign Film, Sight & Sound Films of 2007 Best Film, Chicago Film Critics Association Best Foreign Language Film, Toronto Film Critics Association Best Foreign Language Film, National Society of Film Critics Best Foreign Language Film, Australian Film Critics Association 2007 Best Overseas Film, yadda yadda yadda.
4%20months.jpgAnd yet the Academy snubbed it.
MSM critics are hot. Rolling Stone’s Peter Travers said the snub was “one of the stupidest things that I’ve ever seen happen.”
And Kenneth Turan of the LA Times, showing the height of snob snubbery himself, wrote, “if the foreign-language Oscar is going to be saved from becoming a laughing-stock, measures need to be taken to ensure that its choices are at least within hailing distance of what the rest of the informed film world thinks.”
That’s the problem. The “informed film world” has lost touch with what is a good movie, preferring the cinematic equivalent of crucifixes in urine, to true art.

61 thoughts on “4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days snubs and snobs”

  1. “Juno” is a pro-life film?
    The screenwriter would disagree:
    Topstory interview with Diablo Cody:
    The movie Juno makes some powerful suggestions regarding pregnancy and against abortion. What you’re take?
    DC: I had one image in my mind when I wrote this. That was of Juno sitting across from Mark and Vanessa Loring being polar opposites to her, and then having to audition to adopt her baby. To me, that was the movie right there. It was a weird image, and I couldn’t have gotten that if she had an abortion. She had to have the baby in order for me to execute the story.
    It’s hard, Jason and I wanted to make the movie as personal as we could rather than political. Juno never moralizes about the choice she makes. We never get a speech like, “I can’t kill my baby.” I’m pro-choice, so for me it was very important that the movie not seem to have any kind of anti-choice agenda. Um, but when she’s in the abortion clinic, I think of myself as a teenager. I was kinda this anxious, phobic little kid, and I was afraid to have blood drawn. I would have freaked out if I was about to get an abortion!

  2. Juno really wasn’t pro life or pro choice though, if you watch the movie. Both sides are essentially portrayed as either imbeciles or jerks.

  3. You know, you don’t have to agree with a movie to realize it’s artistic value. There are many movies that are phenomenal, but have limited releases. “Brick”, for example, was wonderful, but most of you have probably never heard of it. It was a small, low budget indie film. ALso, it’s a foreign film, and there’s a rather limited audience for foreign flims in the US. I think one of the most powerful movies I ever saw was called “Downfall”, it was entirely in German, and I had to go downdown in Atlanta to see it, and it was a profile of Hilter’s last days in his bunker. It somehow portrayed all of the characters in an empathetic, yet terrifying light. It allowed to you see how convinced that these people were that they were truly doing good, and to what desperately sick measures that belief could drive them. One woman, for example, killed her six children, then herself, because she’d rather kill them than have them live in a world without Hitler’s government. She truly loved her children and wanted what was best for him- but she had a perverse and twisted view on what that was.
    You don’t have to agree with what a film portrays to recognize it as powerful and moving.

  4. Well I haven’t watched it myself, but I think the point is that the movie portrayed abortion as a negative choice, while it portrayed adoption as a life affirming, positive choice. The baby was considered. This is why we consider it a pro-life themed movie. Not because it is produced by a pro-life person, or anything like that.

  5. Bethany, but those seen as the “pro-life” side in the movie were shown as fairly unintelligent/indoctinated (the little girl outside the clinic saying the baby had fingernails) or a jerk (the woman who performed the ultrasound). Those on the pro choice side were shown in similar bad lights. It was done to emphasize Juno’s contrast from everyone else, and to show she isn’t a typical person, but a unique individual who doesnt fit into either category.

  6. Dan, the girl outside the clinic was so stupid she said the right words to save Juno’s baby.
    You also said, “Juno really wasn’t pro life or pro choice though, if you watch the movie.”
    Dan, she didn’t abort. It was a pro-life movie.

  7. Jill, you know as well as I, if you watched the movie, that the fetus having fingernails had absolutely nothing to do with Juno’s deciscion. She was anxious and didnt like the environment.
    Not aborting =/= prolife. Remember, pro choice isnt pro abortion, though you adamantly say otherwise.
    She didnt like the pro-lifers either. Once again, look at the big contradiction with the woman who performs the ultrasound. She completely dismissed the girl outside the clinic, who it seems she knew from school.
    Both sides were shown in a bad light. Im (grudgingly) going have to go with Laura on this. Its a story that was come up with to be a film, not to be political. Both sides were shown in bad lights. Not to mention, you cant exactly ignore the director’s intent when someone puts it word for word in front of you unless you want to be ignorant about the motivation.
    It was about a teenager’s personal story, nothing more, nothing less. She was shown coldness and was stereotyped by both sides. She didn’t like either of them. Come on now, Juno is an amazing character for the reason that she doesn’t fit into any one group. She isn’t an outcast, yet isn’t fully incorporated. She’s neither pro-life nor pro-choice. It seems shes a mix of both. As much as you wish to claim it as so, Juno is not a pro-life victory, unless you want to accept the idea as the pro-life side being indoctrinated, seemingly unintelligent, and cold towards teen mothers.

  8. Dan, did you and I watch the same movie? Suddenly in the waiting room Juno saw and heard fingernails everywhere. There were close-ups of other women’s fingernails. There was the heightened sound of scratching. After observing all this, she ran out of the mill. Sheesh.

  9. The trailer’s theme seem to point out the need for legalized baby murder.
    That’s like saying, if we wanted to have someone murdered and hire a hit man, it would be better to legalize murder.
    ABORTION IS ALWAYS WRONG, EVERY TIME, EVERY WHERE, IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE, NO MATTER WHO DOES IT.

  10. It allowed to you see how convinced that these people were that they were truly doing good, and to what desperately sick measures that belief could drive them.
    Awww…sounds something like the PC argument to me. Such a fitting comparison, Erin..thank you.

  11. You don’t have to agree with what a film portrays to recognize it as powerful and moving.
    Posted by: Erin at January 28, 2008 10:54 AM
    The Academy saw it but didn’t find it powerful and moving.

  12. Not aborting =/= prolife. Remember, pro choice isnt pro abortion, though you adamantly say otherwise.
    Posted by: Dan at January 28, 2008 11:49 AM
    Are you saying pro abortion folks spend as much or more of their own money helping women choose life as they do helping them choose abortion? Because if the $ are not equal, the commitment is not equal.
    If all the $ go to promote abortion access then all the commitment is to abortion.

  13. hippie- I haven’t had too much respect for the Academy in recent years. But then, that’s just me.
    Also, independent films tend to get next to no recognition by the Academy. Just the way it is.
    (Seriously, though, Brick is one of the most fantastic movies I’ve ever seen. I’d highly recommend anyone rent it.)

  14. Bethany, I dont think it gives specifics in terms of time period in the movie. She does dehumanize it though, at least when she first meets the adoptive parents (all in jest of course). I think shes just far enough along where it registers on the pregnancy tests. She takes something like 3 in one day to be sure shes pregnant. After that theres a short period of time and then she enters the clinic. Shes still not at the point where you can physically tell shes pregnant, I know that much, but its been a couple weeks since ive watched it.
    and hippie, money is put in to prevent unwanted pregnancies, which is what a majority of abortions tend to be, as well as towards pushing for comprehensive sex ed. In the end I think that would then result in more people being ready as well as choosing to continue the pregnancy.

  15. Bethany, I dont think it gives specifics in terms of time period in the movie. She does dehumanize it though, at least when she first meets the adoptive parents (all in jest of course). I think shes just far enough along where it registers on the pregnancy tests. She takes something like 3 in one day to be sure shes pregnant. After that theres a short period of time and then she enters the clinic. Shes still not at the point where you can physically tell shes pregnant, I know that much, but its been a couple weeks since ive watched it.
    Okay. Well the fetus does have fingernails from about the 9th week, and before that the heart is already beating and there are fingers and toes, so I really wouldn’t consider that girl uneducated for saying the baby has fingernails.
    Most women don’t even find out they’re pregnant until they’re about 6-7 weeks along. And the most commonly performed abortions are at 11-12 weeks gestation, when the baby can already suck it’s thumb. so I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe at all. Especially after seeing my fourth baby from my miscarriage, complete with little fingers and toes at only 6 weeks gestation.

  16. Dan, she didn’t abort. It was a pro-life movie.
    Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 28, 2008 11:40 AM
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    In the movie “Spartacus,” Kirk Douglas never had an abortion.
    It must be a pro-life movie.

  17. Erin, I agree with you on “Downfall,” although I’m a big fan of Julia Jentsch and wished she had a bigger role.


  18. And the most commonly performed abortions are at 11-12 weeks gestation, when the baby can already suck it’s thumb. so I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe at all. Especially after seeing my fourth baby from my miscarriage, complete with little fingers and toes at only 6 weeks gestation.
    Bethany, no big deal here, but I think most abortions are prior to 11 or 12 weeks.
    The figures I have are 59% being done prior to 9 weeks, 19% being done at 9-10 weeks, and 10% at 11-12 weeks, all figures since last menstrual period.
    It’s roughly two weeks difference between the LMP age and the actual post-fertilization age, isn’t it? Thus, most abortions would be done prior to the embryo being 7 weeks along in gestation.
    How’d you see fingers and toes? Not arguing here, just asking – I though the embryo was about the size of a kidney bean at that point.
    Doug

  19. Jeeeeeez…
    It’s like saying “Godfather II” or “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” were pro-choice movies because they both had abortions in them.
    You missed the whole point.

  20. Dan, you could be right about that, but still,at 9 weeks the fingernails are still present. So either way, she would have been potentially correct.
    I guess you never did see my pictures of Blessing. I’ve posted them many times here but you only recently started posting again, so I will show them to you. Just to give you a little background, in February, I went to the doctor, just expecting a routine ultrasound. I was expecting to tell the kids that they were going to have a baby brother or sister. Then, the devastating news was told to me when they did the ultrasound- “I can’t find a heartbeat”. They told me that the baby had died and that I would miscarry soon. They said the baby had died at about 6 weeks gestation.
    I went home, and for a week cried and waited for the baby to come. When the baby did come, I took these pictures to remember the baby by.
    I was amazed, even having seen fetal pictures all over the internet before…somehow,seeing it in real life was just an unbelievable experience.
    Here are the pictures:
    This is a jewelry box, and a sandwich bag… the baby was the size of a lima bean. Very, very tiny:
    http://www.preciousinfants.com/babyblessing111.jpg
    Closeup of the baby:
    http://www.preciousinfants.com/babyblessingtwo.jpg
    In my hand:
    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyf.jpg
    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyd.jpg
    The baby’s hands, closeup:
    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/babyblessing2%20%282%29.jpg
    More:
    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyf.jpg
    http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyc.jpg

  21. Just to let you know, the pictures where you see the baby actually sitting in my hand, you cannot see the detail as much because the baby is out of the amniotic fluid. As soon as I put the baby in a bag of water, it was almost as if it came alive.
    That is how I buried the baby too..we buried Blessing under 5 Weeping willow trees.

  22. Dan, 11:49A.M.,
    “Both sides were shown in a bad light. Im (grudgingly) going have to go with Laura on this. Its a story that was come up with to be a film, not to be political. Both sides were shown in bad lights. Not to mention, you cant exactly ignore the director’s intent when someone puts it word for word in front of you unless you want to be ignorant about the motivation.”
    “It was about a teenager’s personal story, nothing more, nothing less. She was shown coldness and was stereotyped by both sides. She didn’t like either of them. Come on now, Juno is an amazing character for the reason that she doesn’t fit into any one group. She isn’t an outcast, yet isn’t fully incorporated. She’s neither pro-life nor pro-choice. It seems shes a mix of both. As much as you wish to claim it as so, Juno is not a pro-life victory, unless you want to accept the idea as the pro-life side being indoctrinated, seemingly unintelligent, and cold towards teen mothers.”
    Dan, You keep bringing up politics in your arguments. Abortion is first and foremost a moral issue. It has become politicized due to the intensity of the debate and various motives of politicians. God expects that we will defend on the side of life always, regardless of what governments are saying, or the law of the land. I don’t think you can be a mix of pro-life and pro-choice and call yourself anything but pro-choice, or pro-abortion for that matter (I know you don’t agree).
    Regarding Juno, Although I haven’t seen the movie yet, but that said, I have read several interviews of Diablo Cody and notice that her responses vary a bit depending on who she’s talking to. I think she’s playing it very smart by intentionally not taking sides. She’s got both sides talking about abortion on many levels. I think there is a message here beyond just ” a teenager’s personal story, nothing more, nothing less”.

  23. Bethany,
    I love seeing the pictures of little Blessing. Thanks for sharing. There’s nothing like the truth.

  24. Dan,
    No offense, but can you translate what you wrote. I can’t tell what you are saying here:
    and hippie, money is put in to prevent unwanted pregnancies, which is what a majority of abortions tend to be, as well as towards pushing for comprehensive sex ed. In the end I think that would then result in more people being ready as well as choosing to continue the pregnancy.
    Posted by: Dan at January 28, 2008 2:06 PM
    So what is the “choice” contraceptives or abortion or continuing or what? We are still talking no money for women who need support to continue an unplanned pregnancy. I call it pro abortion cuz all the money goes to support access to abortion and none to help women continue a pregnancy. I am not against contraceptives, but once you are pregnant, they are not one of your choices. All contraceptives can fail which is why my brother has four kids, all from contraceptive failure.
    Are you going to tell the lady that while you won’t help her out with diapers and furniture and parenting classes and counseling and a GED class and baby clothes and so on, but you will help with contraceptive education so she doesn’t get pregnant again even though she was using contraceptives when she got pregnant with this one.
    Think about what you are saying. Pregnant women need tangible help, love, support, commitment, not just a fact sheet about contraceptives and a pack of pills.

  25. I misunderstood what you had been saying, my apologies.
    The prochoice organizations typically support doing whatever possible to avoid the pregnancy to begin with, meaning comprehensive sex ed, contraception, etc as I already mentioned. As for that, it typically ends there leaving it to the woman to decide, rather than the organization, whether she wishes to continue the pregnancy or not.
    I agree more needs to be done in order to help pregnant women, but it is a touchy issue and will be difficult to legislate or appropriate funds to, etc.
    hippie, as for your brother, thats a bad bout of bad luck, or improper use of the contraceptives. I’m sure, however (or at least hope) he enjoys the children he does have and counts them among his blessings.

  26. I agree more needs to be done in order to help pregnant women, but it is a touchy issue and will be difficult to legislate or appropriate funds to, etc.
    It’s not nearly as touchy an issue as abortion, yet the pro-choice organizations aren’t afraid legislate and appropriate funds towards that, are they?
    It wouldn’t be any harder for pro-choicers to donate to pregnant women’s shelters, and other charities for pregnant women and mothers, than to donate to their local Planned Parenthood.
    They simply choose not to because choosing life is not what they support in reality. Not even half the time.
    Not only do they not help women in need, but they strongly discourage pregnant women and young mothers from visiting CPC’s where they could be provided with free clothing, shelter, food, baby clothes, diapers, formula, transportation, referrals to support groups and other resources that are available throughout their area. They slander CPC’s with no evidence against them except for unsubstantiated claims from the abortion industry. All of this, because the woman may be exposed to another option besides abortion.
    In theory, pro-choice people desire options. In practice, they desire abortions.

  27. When I read my comment again, that question at the top kind of gives the impression that I am being snappy through the whole post, but I promise I didn’t mean any of that in a snappy way. Just wanted to clarify.

  28. Monday, July 17, 2006
    Public Health
    Federally Funded Pregnancy Resource Centers Mislead Teens about Abortion Risks
    A new study released by Rep. Henry A. Waxman finds that federally funded pregnancy resource centers often mislead pregnant teens about the medical risks of abortion, telling investigators who posed as pregnant 17-year-olds that abortion leads to breast cancer, infertility, and mental illness.
    87 percent of the centers reached by investigators provided false or misleading information about abortion. Under the Bush Administration, pregnancy resource centers, which are also called

  29. Bethany: “Kudos” to you for sharing the pictures of Blessing. I know it takes a lot of courage to do that, and hopefully you were able to open some eyes, minds and hearts by doing so.

  30. Bethany, I dont think it gives specifics in terms of time period in the movie. She does dehumanize it though, at least when she first meets the adoptive parents (all in jest of course). I think shes just far enough along where it registers on the pregnancy tests. She takes something like 3 in one day to be sure shes pregnant. After that theres a short period of time and then she enters the clinic. Shes still not at the point where you can physically tell shes pregnant, I know that much, but its been a couple weeks since ive watched it.
    Okay. Well the fetus does have fingernails from about the 9th week, and before that the heart is already beating and there are fingers and toes, so I really wouldn’t consider that girl uneducated for saying the baby has fingernails.
    Most women don’t even find out they’re pregnant until they’re about 6-7 weeks along. And the most commonly performed abortions are at 11-12 weeks gestation, when the baby can already suck it’s thumb. so I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe at all. Especially after seeing my fourth baby from my miscarriage, complete with little fingers and toes at only 6 weeks gestation.
    Posted by: Bethany at January 28, 2008 2:15 PM
    ……………………………..
    I miscarried a 12 week fetus. I didn’t see anything but a glob of tissue. Were you allowed to, or did someone remove all of the surrounding tissue and blood for your examination? I’m curious because I have never heard of such a thing as the webbing between the fingers and toes doesn’t dissolve until 16 weeks gestation. Not to mention that a 6 weeker is about the size of a raisin. Was a microscope employed to help you see these fingers and toes? I don’t understand how you could have seen what you say you did.

  31. Laura, same old unsubstantiated claims. I’m sorry.
    Mike, thank you. :) That is my hope, as well.
    I miscarried a 12 week fetus. I didn’t see anything but a glob of tissue. Were you allowed to, or did someone remove all of the surrounding tissue and blood for your examination? I’m curious because I have never heard of such a thing as the webbing between the fingers and toes doesn’t dissolve until 16 weeks gestation. Not to mention that a 6 weeker is about the size of a raisin. Was a microscope employed to help you see these fingers and toes? I don’t understand how you could have seen what you say you did.
    Thank you for asking, Sally. I appreciate the way you have worded your questions to me.
    In answer to your question, I made a decision after finding out about the baby’s death, to miscarry naturally. If you choose to have the D & C, you will not be allowed to have the remains after it is overwith, and I couldn’t bear to have my baby disposed of as medical waste.
    (Also, I didn’t want to damage my cervix. I want to have more babies in the future)
    I waited a week after the doctors told me that I would miscarry. Each day, I hoped that the baby would really be alive and well but that hope quickly faded as I started to see blood every day when I went to the bathroom.
    Then, when I was sleeping, I woke at 2:00 in the morning to a feeling like blood was gushing out of me. I knew it was time.
    I rushed to the bathroom. I felt as though something was coming out.. I grabbed a bucket that was full of soap and poured the soap out of them. I used the bucket to deliver the baby, as I didn’t want to miss it by sitting on the toilet.
    I looked into the bucket, and the first thing I saw was a blood clot. Not having ever experienced this before, I assumed this must be the baby. But it wasn’t. I looked down again and I saw the baby. It was the size of a lima bean, and there were eyes, a mouth, little fingers and toes. I felt overwhelmed and started trembling from the shock of it all.
    The strangest part of this all was, that there was not much blood at this part. I think that when I felt the gushing, it was not blood. It was my water breaking. This is why the baby was separate from the amniotic sac.
    I placed the baby on my hand, and stared for what seemed like hours. I was alone, and everything was silent. It was just me and my baby. It was very surreal.
    It came to me that I had decided to take pictures of the baby, and I ran and got the camera. My hands were still trembling so hard that it was difficult to get a good shot. I stood very close to the light in the bathroom so that the picture would be bright enough to turn out.
    After taking a few pictures, I placed the baby on top of a little bag of cotton that was in a tiny coffin (wooden jewerly box) that I had prepared for Blessing.
    The next day, I placed the baby in a bag full of water. To my astonishment, the baby appeared to ‘come alive’. It was SO tiny. So unbelievably tiny. Yet, unmistakingly human. I was overwhelmed with awe. I remember standing there and gazing at my baby for what seemed like hours before my family woke up.
    I got the camera out, and held the bag up to the light so I could get some pictures. I didn’t want to ever forget.
    I didn’t need a microscope, because although the baby was very tiny, you could still see everything with the naked eye.
    I promise you, you can trust that I am telling the truth. I saw it with my own eyes.

  32. Sally, just to let you know, cause I know you will ask. Yes, there was a lot of bleeding afterwards. But it was like a period, but really heavy (sorry for the extra information). The placenta came out…and the sac, after the baby did. I bled for about 3 weeks, I believe. Although I can’t remember the exact period of time.

  33. Henry Waxman is a pro-abortion liar, and all of his “facts” are lies, laura. I have not seen one objective source yet.
    As for the Abortion Breast cancer link, 29 out of 41 worldwide studies show a link between breast cancer and abortion. 13 out of 16 US studies show a link between Breast Cancer and abortion. If anyone is being misleading, it is Henry A Waxman.
    http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com
    Those studies that show a statistically significant link between abortion and breast cancer are as follows:
    M. Segi et al.,

  34. Henry A Waxman on the issues
    * Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
    * Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
    * Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
    * Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
    * Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother

  35. Sally:
    Was a microscope employed to help you see these fingers and toes?
    I’m sorry, Sally, I forgot to answer this question.
    I had a digital camera (Canon PowerShot A550) which had a macro option on it, so I could take closeups. This is why I was able to zoom closely and largely magnify the size of the baby in the pictures. The baby was roughly about this long and this wide, in reality:
    ***********
    ***********
    ***********

  36. Woman’s Right to Know
    Characteristics of the
    Unborn Child
    Growth and Development
    12 Weeks Gestationfetus gestation 12 weeks
    * The neck is present and the face well formed.
    * The eyelids close and will reopen at about 24 weeks.
    * Tooth buds appear.
    * The arms and legs move.
    * All body parts and organs are present.
    * The fibers that carry pain to the brain are developed; however, it is unknown if the unborn child is able to experience sensations such as pain.
    * Definitive signs of male and female gender are present.
    * A heartbeat can be heard with electronic devices.
    * The length is about 2 to 3 inches.

  37. Doug,
    Note number 6 on the list…
    * The fibers that carry pain to the brain are developed; however, it is unknown if the unborn child is able to experience sensations such as pain.
    This is at 12 weeks…unknown is good enough for me. It means it’s possible. It means that a 12 week old fetus might be able to…SUFFER.

  38. Did you have a good weekend? :) My husband and I were just playing the mandolin and guitar all weekend. I built up the callouses on my fingertips again. lol It’s been a while!

  39. * The fibers that carry pain to the brain are developed; however, it is unknown if the unborn child is able to experience sensations such as pain.
    This is at 12 weeks…unknown is good enough for me. It means it’s possible. It means that a 12 week old fetus might be able to…SUFFER.
    MK, it’s only partially true, at best. Some such “fibers” maybe in existence but the connections to the conscious area of the brain are not made until well into the weeks in the 20s.
    The fibers mentioned may be necessary for pain perception but they are not sufficient for it.

  40. The fibers mentioned may be necessary for pain perception but they are not sufficient for it.
    But then again, you don’t really know that for sure.

  41. Bethany, ha! You’re pretty GOOD on that mandolin. I work with an old boy who lives up on a ridge in the West Virginia panhandle, and I’ve been up to his place a couple times for some pickin’ – I don’t play anything but it makes me want to.
    On the fibers and pain perception, we’ve certainly been around and around on it, and yes – I cannot prove there’s no pain perception, but again – there isn’t any good reason to think it necessarily is there, especially before some parts of the brain get developed, connected, and operational enough.
    I feel that even with the “not being sure,” it’s outweighed by the fact that some women won’t want to be pregnant, and there we are sure.
    Doug

  42. I’m actually a little surprised here. I read a review of this movie over at christianitytoday.com and it got me pretty excited that it existed. This part of CT writer, Peter T. Chattaway’s, review particularly interested me:

    “What’s more, the final part of the film, which deals with the disposal of the aborted fetus, confronts the viewer with the procedure’s bloody aftermath, and underscores how even Gabita feels obliged to ask Otilia to bury the child, rather than throw it away.
    The only difference legalization would have made to this aspect of their experience is that someone else, such as a hospital staff member, would have been able to take care of the disposal. The women themselves would not have had to behold the results, but the fetus– seen in a tight close-up that made the audience I saw the film with gasp– would still have met the same fate. The film is so bold in portraying this reality that Jeffrey Wells, a movie blogger not known for his conservatism, praised the film, saying it affected him strongly. Wells wrote that he had helped two former girlfriends get abortions decades ago, ‘so I know a little bit about what it feels like peripherally (and a little bit psychologically), but I’ve never felt so immersed in the hard particulars of grappling with the reality of getting an abortion until catching this film. I didn’t just feel moved and shaken– I felt changed after it was over.’
    Wells also called it ‘the most persuasive anti-abortion argument in any form I’ve ever heard, seen or read,’…”

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m just happy to hear that the brutality and turmoil of the procedure was actually portrayed openly and honestly.

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