Obama: “Most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever”
Terry Jeffrey, editor of CNSNews.com, has been talking up Barack Obama’s position on the IL Born Alive Infant Protection Act. He discussed them, and me, on EWTN last week and on Bill Bennett’s radio show Monday. He described Obama as the most pro-abortion U.S. senator in history.
He followed that up with a Townhall.com column today, “Obama is the most pro-abortion candidate ever.”
It’s true. By voting against the Born Alive bill in IL, Obama demonstrated support of infanticide. A vote taken on virtually the same bill in the U.S. Senate passed 98-0 – unanimously – including one cast by Hillary Clinton.
Jeffrey wrote today….
He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede — as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor — that these babies, fully outside their mothers’ wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact “persons.”
In 2004, U.S. Senate-candidate Obama mischaracterized his opposition to this legislation. Now, as a presidential frontrunner, he should be held accountable for what he actually said and did about the Born Alive Infants Bill….
[Cartoon, courtesy of the Chicago Sun-Times, was run during 2004 U.S. Senate election cycle]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Did you hear what else he wants to do? He wants to stop bombing brown muslim babies into dust. I wish we had all those children still in this world.
What exactly is your point, peach pit? Are you in support of Barack?
He is a terrible man, that Barack Obama.
these babies, fully outside their mothers’ wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving,
I’m not sure why you would think opposing the Born-Alive Infants act makes Obama “the most pro-abortion candidate.” It’s not as if that law had anything to do with stopping abortions. It only protects babies still alive after the abortion has already happened.
I would think the most “pro-abortion” candidate would be the one with the least interest in preventing abortion — probably Ron Paul or someone like that. You know, anti-contraception, anti-universal health care, anti-sex education, etc. Those ideas would surely lead to lots more abortions.
You know, anti-contraception, anti-universal health care, anti-sex education, etc.
okay, Reality, let’s see the evidence. I would like to see clear and unbiased evidence of your claims.
It’s not as if that law had anything to do with stopping abortions. It only protects babies still alive after the abortion has already happened.
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I can’t even stand the sickening thought of it. Abortion just makes me sick!
I look at my 8 month old baby girl. Perfect, blue eyes. Tiny lashes, cute lil curls. A soft head, chubby cheeks. Just the way God intended it to be. I could never imagine a woman hurting such a small little being. I could never imagine an abortionist killing that baby.
Peachpit, there’s at least one other candidate who’s for pulling out of Iraq, staying out of Iran, AND against abortion.
I hope PIP will read this post.
Heather,
I totally know what you mean! I wish mine were that little! She turns 2 on the 7th of February…she’s growing up tooooo fast :(
Hey Elizabeth, Remember how we were talking about Tyra the other day? Obama is going to appear on her T.V. show! *blah!*
ahhhhhh haha..that cracks me up!
Good find Jill!
I have just submitted this page to StumbleUpon. Every pro-lifer is welcomed to add me to their “friends” on StumbleUpon and feel free to share your pages with me:
http://vladtheaffiliate.stumbleupon.com/
Vlad, you’re cute. Hope you don’t mind me saying so.
Bethany —
OK. I especially like the part about Eastern European countries going from 90 abortions per 1000 women in 1995, to 44 per 1000 in 2003, thanks to improved contraceptive access. But the part about Western Europe having the lowest abortion rates in the world because of contraception and sex education is good, too.
Bethany,
I just sent you an email about the pictures for the who’s who on this site!
Also,
It’s not as if that law had anything to do with stopping abortions. It only protects babies still alive after the abortion has already happened.
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Yes, only. That law doesn’t stop a single abortion, but it does give doctors more of a reason to make absolutely sure fetuses are dead before removing them.
It prevents doctors from delivering a baby alive and leaving him/her on a shelf to die, legally, Reality.
And I’m not trying to be difficult, but I cannot access the article you posted a link to. Is there a possibility I can access it for free?
Elizabeth, I just got the picture! Here it is on the page:
http://www.preciousinfants.com/whoswho.htm
AAAWWWW, I love it, Bethany! I am debating about adding my picture in. I have told a lot of personal stories here about a lot of people. [Post abortive friends] Let me think about it. I know you already have my picture:]
Bethany —
You can access the article by registering. It’s free.
Elizabeth,
You’re daughter is BEAUTIFUL! And you are sooooo cute. Bethany was right. It’s great to put a face to the name…
It prevents doctors from delivering a baby alive and leaving him/her on a shelf to die, legally, Reality.
Exactly. It doesn’t stop them from performing abortions, as long as the fetus doesn’t come out alive.
Oh. And lemmings are so last year. I switched sometime in the summer to mullets. (the fish, not the hair)
Reality,
I believe the point about Obama being the most pro choice is because he was willing to allow even born children to die to protect the choice to kill them before they are born.
Extreme measures. And the only one who did. That, I would say, is someone who is radically pro abortion. Wouldn’t you?
Okay MK, fixed it! :)
haha
mk:
I believe the point about Obama being the most pro choice is because he was willing to allow even born children to die to protect the choice to kill them before they are born.
How does allowing born children to die protect abortion rights? That makes no sense at all.
Extreme measures. And the only one who did. That, I would say, is someone who is radically pro abortion. Wouldn’t you?
Not really. Personally, when I hear the phrase, “pro-abortion,” it brings to mind all the things that drive up abortion rates: lack of contraception access, lack of sex education, lack of health care, etc. Senator Obama is for health care, for contraception access and for sex education, so he couldn’t be the most pro-abortion candidate.
The cartoon is blasphemous, as it shows the face of the Almighty.
How does allowing born children to die protect abortion rights? That makes no sense at all.
Reality, it’s explained in the post Jill wrote above. Obama said he could not call those born babies persons, because if he did so, he’d be conceding that unborn babies have those same rights, and he will not do that. If it’s confusing to you, welcome to the crowd.
Besides, he is supportive of all abortion procedures, from the first trimester on, obviously…how in the world can you claim Ron Paul is “less willing to prevent abortion” than Obama? That’s just crazy talk.
MK and Heather,
Thank you! And Heather..do it..post your picture..I know you want to lol!
I sent you a picture, Bethany! That’s a great idea!
Thank you, Erin, I can’t wait! :)
oh my goodness! Erin, you look exactly like I imagined you in my mind’s eye. That’s amazing.
SoMG, I thought that was a Muslim thing.
Love the pictures! What a great idea!
Hey Jill,
you never answered my question from like 3 days ago.
Reality,
It’s not that he was “for” allowing these kids to die. It’s that he wasn’t willing to stop it for fear that it would interfere with other abortions.
It was a chess move. We just feel it’s pretty extreme.
And as for birth control, obviously we aren’t for birth control that also aborts, but condoms or the sponge…I, being Catholic, don’t use birth control, but I wouldn’t tell you, a non practicing Catholic that you can’t use it, any more than I would tell you that you can’t eat fish on Fridays in Lent.
SoMG,
The cartoon is blasphemous, as it shows the face of the Almighty.
Nah, I’ve met Him and He doesn’t look anything like that…for one thing, His hair is shorter. For another, He’s only got one head.
MK,
Did you mean MEAT on fridays in lent?? lol it’s okay..it happens. Red Lobster is my favorite place during Lent! Actually I love it any time of the year but I get to have an excuse during Lent!
Elizabeth,
I know, like giving up Brussel Sprouts…and yes, I meant meat. Today is “fasting” day and I must have food on the brain! lol
lol I understand MK!
Ooooo…now I have food on the brain. Thanks a lot, you guys.
I wish I had some shrimp…and some cocktail sauce…ooo…or crab legs…mmm…
Erin,
That is just cruel. Stop it!
MK – have you been to Mejigoria? (sp?)
Kristen,
No, but it is due to Medjugorge that I had my conversion. Everyone on here has heard the story at least 10 times…but it was definitely thanks to her.
I actually went to Arlington Racetrack and a horse named 10 Pink Roses was running. It was the feast of the Assumption, my anniversary and my son Kevin’s birthday. I told her that I’d bet on that horse in her honor (believe me, it was only going to be a dollar bet) and that if I won (it was looooooong shot) I’d use the money to go to Medjugorge. I hadn’t finished the prayer when they announced over the loud speaker that the horse had been scratched.
I knew then that I’d never go, but that I didn’t really need to. Cuz she’d come to me.
And she’s never left.
I love her.
She’s the bomb.
I’ve never been but I SO want to go. My husband has been and my mother-in-law several times.
When I met my hubby I was pretty, shall we say, “wild.” I don’t know why but we started dating. I was accustomed to my boyfriends and I, well doing exactly the things we shouldn’t have until marriage. We had been dating about 5 months and I finally asked him what the deal was. I mean was he just not interested?
He just kind of sighed and then told me about his trip to Mejigoria. He told me how he witnessed the miracle of the sun, the hill, and the visionaries. Then said “I know you probably think I’m crazy and won’t see me again.” It was basically at that moment that I thought if I don’t marry this man I’m the stupidest person in the world and I deserve every rotten guy in my past and future. We were married 15 months after we met.
Oh Kristen,
That is such a GREAT story. How long have you been married?
My conversion was similar in that I was pretty “wild” myself. Val too. Funny, isn’t it? That’s why I always remember “There but for the Grace of God Go I”…because I’ve been there.
I’ve gotta make dinner, but I’ll be back. You and Erin and Midnite, Bethany, Tara, Amanda and John McDonell really turned what could have been a rotten day into a rather nice one. Thank you. Really.
Thirteen years. Six kids in 9 years.
Obama sounds really good to a lot of people, great orator and all, but there is a hard core liberal residing within him. He has basically isolated himself within a narrow ideological spectrum which in the tough reality of Washington politics will make it nearly impossible for him to reach out and unite. That, combined with his youth and inexperience, plus what we know about his voting record while a legislator in Illinois, ought to give anyone pause to thoroughly examine what an Obama presidency would look like.
With either Hillary or Obama in the Oval office it is about the same as far as pro-life issues go. It will take a long time to recoup the losses. Pro-lifers need to approach the coming election with a great sense of urgency.
MK, you said that you are personally against birth control but wouldn’t tell a non-practicing Catholic they couldn’t use it. Does that mean you are in favor of making birth control and information about it accessible so non-Catholics can lower their demand for abortion?
Anon, when we are trained to be sidewalk counselors (at my Church) we were specifically told where to tell people seeking contraception to go. We don’t tell them they can’t use birth control, we want them away from the abortion facility. I don’t know if its like that everywhere though…
I’ve never been active politically, but if Obama wins the Democratic nomination I’ll volunteer my time to his opponents campaign.
Anon,
MK, you said that you are personally against birth control but wouldn’t tell a non-practicing Catholic they couldn’t use it. Does that mean you are in favor of making birth control and information about it accessible so non-Catholics can lower their demand for abortion?
I don’t know that I’d actively push birth control, but I certainly wouldn’t try to stop it (again, not the kind that causes abortions)…
There is certainly something to be said for preventing pregnancy to begin with.
But since I think the BEST way for people to go about it is to wait until they are married and prepared for children to have sex, that is what I’d promote.
But, sure, I’d say go ahead and pass out the condoms to non catholics…I’m not totally out of touch with reality…lol
One of the reasons I like Obama (although I still prefer and support Edwards) is that he doesn’t pander. A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to hear him speak in front of a definitively pro-choice audience, off the cuff, with no notes. He didn’t play to us or promise us the moon, but instead counseled pragmatism in the political environment at the time.
Obama is a lot more of a centrist than people think, including on the abortion issue.
Ray,
This article states Obama voted to allow infanticide just to protect abortion rights.
In light of that fact, how can you post that you think he is “centrist” on the abortion issue.
I think it is more likely that he opinion in light of the fact that he changes his dialogue based upon the group he is talking too and he suckered you into believing that. I went to his web site and it lists his stance on the issues, and abortion is conveniently not among those he posts his opinion on.
Ray, have you checked out his voting record? Centrist sure, if by “centrist” you mean center to the farthest left you can possibly be.
I’ve gotta make dinner, but I’ll be back. You and Erin and Midnite, Bethany, Tara, Amanda and John McDonell really turned what could have been a rotten day into a rather nice one. Thank you. Really.
Posted by: mk at January 9, 2008 5:13 PM
mk,
Thank you. It brightens my day to talk to you guys to:)
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