Survivors disrupt Obama
At a NH campaign stop last night, the Survivors disrupted an Obama town hall meeting of about 1,000 people. See video above. According to the Wall Street Journal…
Barack Obama had barely begun his speech here at the Rochester Opera House when he was interrupted by about a dozen anti-abortion protesters, who began chanting “abortion is abomination” from the balcony.
Obama stopped his speech and told the rest of the crowd that “there’s no need to boo,” but that didn’t stop them. He paced across the stage, as the protesters continued to yell and as the crowd began to chant “fired up, ready to go.”
After quieting down the crowd, he told the chanting protesters that “I understand your position but this isn’t going to solve anything.” About two minutes after they began chanting, security tossed them out.
Obama quieted down the crowd as they cheered the protesters’ departure. Free speech is “part of the American tradition, too,” he said. It’s not easy to “stand up in a crowd of people who don’t agree with you.”
Blah blah blah. Peace, love, and understanding from a man who supports aborting babies alive and shelving them to die in soiled utility rooms, suctioning the brains out of mostly born babies, and letting 10-year-old girls abort with no parental or judicial oversight.
Good for the Survivors. I think I will always find scenes such as this surreal. The angry mob is booing the Survivors because the crowd supports suctioning and dismembering preborn babies.
“Abortion is an abomination.” None of the news outlets picked up on the double entendre, “Abortion is an Obamanation.”
[HT: Fran at Illinois Review]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
A dozen fetus-fetishists chanting antiabortion slogans for two minutes?
If that doesn’t get Roe v. Wade overturned, I just don’t know what will!
Laura,
We could buy a few beers too.
“fetus-fetishists”
Better a “fetus-fetishist” than someone who is cold-hearted.
..at least we could come up with a dozen pro-life protestors…
We could buy a few beers too.
Posted by: mk at January 8, 2008 1:36 PM
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Your beer campaign just might work.
“Survivors” is based in Riverside, California – not far from my home. They show up at a lot of local events.
They tend to embarrass the hell out of the local pro-lifers and their sympathizers. They’re kind of like the “Straight Edge” movement was a decade ago. Often when they turn up there is shouting, violence and an occasional arrest.
It’s like my PETA post. It’s really sad when you have to bail from a cause because your cohorts are making you look like a whackjob. An association with known nutballs can follow you around for LIFE! (I swear that’s why I left Hamas!)
“The angry mob is booing the Survivors because they support suctioning and dismembering preborn babies.”
Actually the crowd was booing the protesters because they were an obnoxious disruption. They would have been booed no matter what they’d been saying.
Violence Laura?
Violence Laura?
Posted by: Matthew at January 8, 2008 2:00 PM
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Violence Matthew.
Proof, Anonymous? You don’t seriously suppose anyone to believe for one minute that
a.) the protesters would have been booed had they broken out at that moment (or any other) into equally raucous support of Obama, abortion, or anything else dear – well, useful – to liberals
or
b.) That any Obama supporter is pro-life; e.g., that the booing had nothing at all to do with the content of the protest…Do you?
I don’t think Laura has ever known of or encountered any pro-lifer to which she would not cheerfully paint as a nutball, whackjob, wingnut, terrorist, etc.
Seeing anyone on the other side as a person and not a caricature/target is just too far beyond the pale of aborthodoxy…as is seeing the unborn as human and not a disease, parasite, problem, threat, etc. ad nauseam, for those caught in the web of proabort deception.
I think what makes these outbursts affective is that if there’s any one pro-life person in the audience who has no idea where Obama stands on abortion, well then they certainly do now. Not everyone at these rallies is pro-Obama. I’m sure a few are there just to hear the guy talk. Then some folks stood up in a room and annoyed Obama for being pro-abortion, and now maybe those few folks who showed up for the heck of it know not to vote for the guy.
I love that line, “Abortion is an Obamanation”…thanks so much for sharing that!
I don’t think Laura has ever known of or encountered any pro-lifer to which she would not cheerfully paint as a nutball, whackjob, wingnut, terrorist, etc.
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The place I work is almost entirely staffed by devout Mormons and Catholics, I have pro-life clergy living on two sides as my neighbors, and my team-penning partners are pro-life nurses.
They are all delightful.
We all know the one stunt that is essential for successful international diplomacy and successful marriages: KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP!
Blah blah blah. Peace, love, and understanding from a man who supports aborting babies alive and shelving them to die in soiled utility rooms, suctioning the brains out of mostly born babies, and letting 10-year-old girls abort with no parental or judicial oversight.
And a silly, attention-whoring disruption from a group of people who STILL, even in the 21st century, can’t stand the thought of women having sex without having unwanted babies.
“a dozen anti-abortion protesters”?
What’s up with the WSJ reporter not bothering to find out what group the protesters were a part of?
Laura,
fetus-fetishists….ROTFL
And I guess…you would be a fetus-fascist?
“And a silly, attention-whoring disruption from a group of people who STILL, even in the 21st century, can’t stand the thought of women having sex without having unwanted babies.”
I guess sex is about NOTHING but pleasure. Only 40 years ago, this wasn’t the case. On that note, it’s funny that many pro-aborts are all about not putting hormones in their food, but pump themselves full of synthetic hormones with chemical birth control.
Laura,
fetus-fetishists….ROTFL
And I guess…you would be a fetus-fascist?
Posted by: Truthseeker at January 8, 2008 3:02 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!
EUREKA!
There are too many Lauras on this board, and we’re always getting mixed up.
From now on I want to be “FetusFascist.”
Oh, so sorry, Laura. See? Even your response was solely in order to disparage someone for calling your hatemongering bluff.
But I guess it makes a difference to you when dealing with people who actually know who you are, where you live,etc…or who only exist in your writing, and/or are entirely at the disposal of your imagination and agenda, and do pretty much what you want think they should.
BTW, don’t try diplomacy or marriage any time soon.
“Reality”, why not acquaint yourself with reality before presuming to represent it? It’s irresponsibility and killing we object to; since you love both irresponsibility and killing innocent humans smaller and weaker than yourself, it is hardly appropriate for you to sneer at us from a false moral superiority. Grow up. Just for the novelty of the experience. At least give it a shot.
Laura,
(I swear that’s why I left Hamas!)
So that’s why they haven’t been doing so well lately…I was wondering.
Oh, so sorry, Laura. See? Even your response was solely in order to disparage someone for calling your hatemongering bluff.
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Oh no! You’re not very bright!
Truthseeker thought “Fetus Fetishist” was funny, and I thought “Fetus Fascist” was funny – and kinda appropriate.
Are you a “Survivor?” “Survivors” tend to be massive whiners and you seem to be whining.
(Thank you, Truthseeker. If never agree on anything else, we’ll at least agree that my new moniker suits me!)
In Laura’s defense, I really only see her being nasty or extremely sarcastic when she is attacking just such things as this. I don’t totally agree with her, but I see her point. When pro-lifers act rudely they don’t do our cause any good.
Mostly, I think these are the times she gets really outspoken. I don’t get the sense that she hates all prolifers. Just prolifers that get in her face.
Not that I’m saying sometimes you don’t have to get in peoples faces…or that the pro choice side isn’t LOADED with people getting in our faces. Just that it’s interesting to hear what the other side “see’s” us as compared to how we see ourselves…
Mostly, I think these are the times she gets really outspoken. I don’t get the sense that she hates all prolifers. Just prolifers that get in her face.
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Thank you MK.
You’ll notice that I limit my rhetoric to an appropriate venue – you know – like a debate board designed for that very purpose. I’d never show up at someone’s home or harass their children.
(Who is Gracie and why is she EVIL?)
Doug,
This is going to be on tomorrow night…do you think they’ve been listening in on our conversations?
http://tinyurl.com/27rbb9
mk,
Open dialogue is what it is all about. I appreciate the fact that she likes her moniker. It suits her a lot better than some of those phony monikers I’ve seen pro-aborts use like “Halo” or “Real Christian” or some other sarcastic name. I didn’t know she’d relate to being called a fascist so much though. It takes all kinds…. Laura, I’d prefer to keep truthseeker as a moniker though, even though fetus-fetishists is hilarious.
No, Laura, but you would support the invasion of their children’s prenatal homes for the purpose of slaughtering those children. How kind and thoughtful. Can you see how absurd it is to support abortion, which does exactly that, and flaunt yourself as some paragon of tact, intelligence, morality, and class? You just can’t have it both ways.
To whom it may concern, here’s a little song to be sung in rounds for Roe v. Wade anniversary, not too far hence…
Roe, Roe, Roe v. Wade-
50 million lost;
End abortion on demand,
STOP THE HOLOCAUST!
Pass it on…
Can you see how absurd it is to support abortion, which does exactly that, and flaunt yourself as some paragon of tact, intelligence, morality, and class?
Oh Good Lord, I don’t think you’ll ever hear Laura promoting herself as the paragon of tact, morality or class…
Though she does seem to be intelligent.
Per Laura:
“The place I work is almost entirely staffed by devout Mormons and Catholics, I have pro-life clergy living on two sides as my neighbors, and my team-penning partners are pro-life nurses.
They are all delightful.
We all know the one stunt that is essential for successful international diplomacy and successful marriages: KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP!”
Laura,
Funny statement coming from you. One of the reasons I haven’t been around for awhile is specifically becuase of you. I couldn’t take your personal attacks on women who share their stories on this site for support. Especially when it came to pregnancy loss. You continually made a joke of them and their situations and continued to make hurtful nasty comments when you were very politely asked to stop.
Add Sally in the mix and I had to take a break. You just never knew WHEN TO SHUT UP.
BTW, I consider myself to be a delightful person.
I think shouting down somebody you disagree with at his own event is uncalled for. Be outside with your placards. Be INSIDE with your placards if it’s permitted. Ask pointed questions during Q&A. Behave like a civilized human being, which is after all what we’re asking the abortion supporters to be.
Christine ~ Ahhh….the beauty of the double standard.
Laura,
Gracie is the dog that caused me to shred my ACL…I actually love her when I’m not contemplating creative ways to kill her…
Sandy,
That is a good point and those are the only times I’ve felt Laura was really out of line. I still use the “Clown Car” line…
Thanks MK.
I think it is even more frustrating to engage in this debate with someone who has never and will never carry a child in their womb only to have it taken away from them. Her ignorance on the issue of pregnancy and pregnancy loss astounds me. Laura has had many opportunities to learn from women who experience loss on this site through miscarriage and/or abortion, but she refuses to listen.
Women who had shared their stories of abortion on this site were given great support from most everyone here (espcecially the PLers) except Laura. She took thier stories and made fun of them. I can only imagine the hurt those women felt reading her posts.
So she can criticize people for protesting and say that they turn people away from their movement, but honestly Laura does the same for her cause. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but she does.
I can’t imagine her calling a miscarried or aborted baby “underwear snot” to her pro-life nurse friends or clergy neighbors and be accepted as a friend by them.
WHEN did I make fun of someone’s miscarriage?
Huge “Ethical” Embryonic-Like Stem Cell Discovery Not So Ethical After All – Fetal Cells Used
TENNESSEE, January 8, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Children of God for Life reports that a recent stem cell breakthrough that turns adult skin cells to “embryonic” is not a pro-life solution as currently done. On November 21st and 22nd, Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and Dr James Thomson published back-to-back studies that were hailed as moral alternatives to embryonic stem cell research. Both studies involved introducing genes into adult stem cells through a lentivirus, which reprogrammed them to become “embryonic” or induced pluripotent stem (IPS) cells, without destroying human embryos. But pro-lifers may have celebrated too soon, without studying the methods used in the papers.
Both researchers used several versions of the 293 aborted fetal cell lines to modify the DNA of the host adult skin cells, in order to accomplish the reprogramming.
“Unless you read the papers published by Dr Yamanaka in Cell and Dr Thomson in Science, you would have no idea where the DNA came from that was used to transform the adult cells”, stated Debi Vinnedge, Executive Director of Children of God for Life, a pro-life watchdog organization focused on stem cell research and aborted fetal cell lines in medical products. “And even then you would have to know what you were looking for to understand it”, she added.
For example, while Dr Yamanaka reports using PLAT-E, PLAT-A and 293FT cells in his paper, the proper name for these cell lines is HEK (human embryonic kidney) 293. The cells were obtained from an electively aborted baby by Dr. Alex Van der Eb, Crucell NV, the same company producing aborted fetal cell line PER C6, derived from the retinal tissue of an 18-week gestation baby.
In the second study, Dr James Thomson of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, also used aborted fetal cell line 293FT to produce DNA used to modify adult cells. Furthermore, Dr Thomson obtained the DNA sequences he used from human ES cells. And before using foreskin fibroblasts, Thomson tested the reprogramming on IMR-90 aborted fetal cell line, taken from the lung tissue of a 16-week gestation female baby.
“Pro-lifers may be deceived by the excitement about these publications”, Vinnedge cautioned. “Using aborted fetal and embryonic stem cells from deliberately destroyed human beings is certainly not any kind of moral victory.”
Vinnedge noted that the research is fraught with other moral and clinical problems, such as fatal tumors, which are a well-documented attribute of embryonic stem cells, and which also occurred with the adult reprogrammed IPS cells. And while Yamanaka and Thomson allege the new cells generated would be “patient specific” with no immune rejection problems, this claim is premature because there is foreign DNA present from the lentivirus used to modify the cells.
However, it is not necessary to use aborted fetal cells to produce the lentivirus at all, noted Dr Theresa Deisher, R&D Director of Ave Maria Biotechnology Company, a research firm dedicated to pro-life alternatives for unethical human therapeutics.
“There are other ethical ways to produce the DNA needed for transformation, efficiently and morally,” said Dr Deisher. “If these means were employed to produce the needed DNA, there would be no moral issues with the use of reprogrammed adult cells for research.”
Read Dr Deisher’s editorial Why Are We Celebrating the Reprogramming of Adult Cells? http://www.cogforlife.org/reprogramandethics.htm ;
Dr Yamanaka, Induction of Pluripotent Stem Cells From Adult Human Fibroblasts By Defined Factors
http://images.cell.com/images/Edimages/Cell/IEPs/3661.pdf
Dr James Thomson, Induced Pluripotent Stem Cell Lines Derived From Human Somatic Cells, http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1151526
MK: Doug, This is going to be on tomorrow night…do you think they’ve been listening in on our conversations?
http://tinyurl.com/27rbb9
Right on, MK.
1.) We
2.) Should
3.) Get
4.) Royalties.
Seriously, that’s an excellent example of situational ethics.
A couple more I’m familiar with – you’re at the controls of a train track switch. A trolley is “out of control” and coming toward you. You can change its course, which will put it on a track where it will kill one person. If you do nothing, it will go straight and kill five people.
By far, the most people change course and accept the one death as better than the five.
Another is the choice between letting one of one’s children die, and having one’s mother be killed. Americans, in general, allow the mother to die, reasoning that she has already had such-and-such amount of life and “should be relatively satisfied” with that versus losing the kid.
Foreigners from some nations, interestingly, often choose to have the mother live, per the reasoning of, “I can have more kids, but “my mother is my mother.”
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Laura,
I don’t have the time to go through the archives, but I am sure I could find several examples of when you were completely insensitive to women who shared their experiences.
One that comes to mind is when you made fun of a political figure, (can’t remember who) for taking their stillborn baby home to grieve with their family. You mocked them for doing so and even after it was explained to you that many families opt for this, you continued to make fun of their tragedy.
Another time, an abortive women came to this site to share her story, you actually engaged her in debate and riduculed her for having two abortions and made comments such as “well it must not have been that bad if she chose to have another one” Then you drew some type of sarcastic analogy. This woman was clearly coming here to share her story and was emotionally hurt with her decisions to abort and you made fun of her. You had to pour salt in her wounds and laughed about it.
I could go on and on, but more than once I had to wipe tears away from my face after reading the hurtful, spiteful and beyond insensitive sarastic things you wrote to women and about women who post on this site. I couldn’t take your comments anymore.
I will just wait for one of your “zingers” that will make fun of me for sharing how I felt and make you feel good that you can now chalk another one up for your side.
Do you ever feel like maybe you bring out the worst in people???? Cuzzzz…….
One that comes to mind is when you made fun of a political figure, (can’t remember who) for taking their stillborn baby home to grieve with their family. You mocked them for doing so and even after it was explained to you that many families opt for this, you continued to make fun of their tragedy.
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Excuse me?
Rick Santorum’s wife lost a pregnancy at almost 5 months due to an infection.
He and the wife then brought the fetus home for his kids to “kiss and cuddle.” They then slept with the fetus in their bed overnight.
Yes, I realize that people have different ways of handling grief, but that was as weird as freak-show sushi! I also believe that handing children infectious medical waste is a bad thing. Displaying a picture of the dead fetus in your office is bit over-the-top.
Call me WACKY!
I find these survivors of birth to be rather zealous. A bit like the self righteous temperance zealots of the past. Small wonder that some of these types whip themselves into a fervor that requires violence to quench the intensity of their hatred.
They weren’t even really saying anything, just causing a disruption.
Excuse me?
Rick Santorum’s wife lost a pregnancy at almost 5 months due to an infection.
He and the wife then brought the fetus home for his kids to “kiss and cuddle.” They then slept with the fetus in their bed overnight.
Yes, I realize that people have different ways of handling grief, but that was as weird as freak-show sushi! I also believe that handing children infectious medical waste is a bad thing. Displaying a picture of the dead fetus in your office is bit over-the-top.
Call me WACKY!
Posted by: FetusFascist at January 8, 2008 8:12 PM
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I really don’t think it wacky. I’ve seen people hang onto all manner of things they are emotionally attached to.
Posted by: Anonymous at January 8, 2008 8:52 PM
Pardon me——-that would be me. Not used to posting on blogs.
They weren’t even really saying anything, just causing a disruption.
Posted by: Jess at January 8, 2008 8:49 PM
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I have to wonder at the boundaries of these unaborted children.
OK Wacky,
First of all, a stillborn child is not considered infectious medical waste.
Second, who are you to decide what is acceptable for greiving parents. I think we have already covered this…. but I understand you may be a slow learner. I will try to explain it to you one more time. Feel free to read it more than once and take good notes if you need to.
Many families honor their babies by taking them home to grieve with them and take photos of their babies is the best way they can hold on to memories of them. Berevement photography is practiced all the time.
I have not read up on the specifics of the Rick Santorum story, but can only imagine how the MSM could have blown every detail of this out of proportion and maybe some of this story is overexagerated by you, but it doesn’t really matter. These people should be allowed to greive as they want as long as it is within the law. I will not go on any further as once again you have proven you want to remain ignorant of understanding what families who lose a baby goes through.
Here again is just another example of you choosing not to show any compassion at all. You would still rather debate the subject and make fun of this tragedy. (again) What was it you said earlier???? KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP
I guess you can’t practice what you preach.
You are such a blatant hypocrite.
The Rick Santorum story proves how cruel you have been on this site when it comes to the loss of the unborn.
Care to comment on making fun of the woman who came here to bare her soul and share her story of her abortions?? Care to comment on why you continued to call the unborn “underwear snot” and several like terms even though you were asked to stop?? There really is no excuse for your cruelty Laura.
1) I’ve never used the expression “underwear snot.”
2) You’ve had an abortion, haven’t you?
It never ceases to amaze how alive with hate the anti-abortion group can be. Look, I’m against abortion as well, but my God, if your politics are such that you narrow them down to one issue and one issue only, it is a true disservice to our nation and at least for me as a Catholic, my faith. Let us not forget in this world the other issues we should be shouting just an animately against: poverty in the developing world and our own backyard, the death penalty, the incredibly tolerated inhumane treatment of immigrants, the pervasiveness of guns in our communities, the crisis of the environment. There is so much, to align yourself as a one issue voter and then speak so damningly against a man like Obama, who supported your participants right to free speech. I just wonder, if it were the other way around, how would someone like you respond to a protest?
Just a reminder, that seems to fall on deaf ears… Cardinal Joseph Bernadine of Chicago, an opponent of abortion, cautioned Catholics against turning abortion into a single voting issue: “Our moral, political and economic responsibilities do not stop at the moment of birth. “Those who defend the right to life of the weakest among us must be equally visible in support of the quality of life of the powerless among us: the old and the young, the hungry and the homeless, the undocumented immigrant and the unemployed worker. … Consistency means we can’t have it both ways.”
Patrick, I’m glad you visited. That was a dumb comment by Cardinal Joseph Bernadine which gave Catholics an out to support pro-abortion politicians. Are you still voting for Obama?
Barack Obama has already spent over $44 million dollars. How does a freshman senator get that kind of cash? Not from the under 30 crowd. He gets it from influence peddlers who plan to collect on their investment. They figure the pendulum will naturally swing democrat after eight years of republicans, just like it swung republican after eight years of a democrat. They hedge their bets contributing to both Hillary and Obama. Either way they get their access. Edwards refused their money.
Wacky,
OK. So the term wasn’t exactly “underwear snot”, but there were terms you used that were just as offensive and cruel and were synonomous with “underwear snot” I don’t think that’s the real debate here.
I am sure you remember the terms you used in the past. For old times sake, why don’t you enlighten everyone and correct me on the terms you did use.
No, I did not EVER have an abortion. EVER.
I believe the term was “crotch goo”…
Or so I’ve been told
Ok
Patrick,
You did call yourself a Catholic didn’t you. Of course Catholics care about more then just pregnant women and heir babies. But don’t even try and fool yourself into thinking abortion is acceptable to ANY Catholic. Have you ever read the Cathecism? It has the Catholic position on abortion detailed for you. It is not and never will be possible to be Catholic and pro-abort.
fetus-fscist,
Have you had people who were close to you reject and scorn you? You seem to get pleasure each time you can get someone to direct anger at you.
Sandy, I am guessing she is uncomfortable with love cause she was treated really badly by the ones who she depended on for love.
BTW fetusfacial, I lost a baby at 20 weeks, brought him home in an urn, kept him around for a while, brought him to a church and had him blessed by a priest, and eventually had him buried next to my Dad.
Hooves,
May the Holy Spirit give you strength to perservere in faith and love as you journey to foreign lands. Remember we are here and love you
any time yu want to come back. You might want to try the families against planned parenthood blog to refresh your batteries. The pro-aborts really don’t last too long there.
No, I did not EVER have an abortion. EVER.
Posted by: Sandy at January 8, 2008 10:31 PM
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Well then, I’ve never attacked anyone on this board because they had a miscarriage.
You lie as poorly as Hooves.
BTW fetusfacial, I lost a baby at 20 weeks, brought him home in an urn, kept him around for a while, brought him to a church and had him blessed by a priest, and eventually had him buried next to my Dad.
Posted by: Truthseeker at January 8, 2008 11:21 PM
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Absolutely respectful.
Now Truthseeker, when your Dad died, did you bring his body home and let the kids kiss and cuddle him?
Did you put his body in the bed between you and your husband and spend the night with him?
Funny, I didn’t do those things when my father died either. That’s just not emotionally healthy, and probably a felony…
“I think shouting down somebody you disagree with at his own event is uncalled for. Be outside with your placards. Be INSIDE with your placards if it’s permitted. Ask pointed questions during Q&A. Behave like a civilized human being, which is after all what we’re asking the abortion supporters to be.”
I ABSOLUTELY agree!
fetusfaces,
I did hug my dad as he died. And I hugged him again several times after he died and before we buried him. I may very well have had the urn in our bedroom for a while, and I would have been completely comfortable kissing the urn. All my other kids loved our son very much. My daughter would come in the bedroom and rub my wifes belly and talk to him while he was in the womb. I am comfortable with all that.
fetalfeces,
fetalfeces,
I did hug my dad as he died. And I hugged him again several times after he died and before we buried him. I may very well have had the urn in our bedroom for a while, and I would have been completely comfortable kissing the urn. All my other kids loved our son very much. My daughter would come in the bedroom and rub my wifes belly and talk to him while he was in the womb. I am comfortable with all that.
fetalfishes
Let me clarify,
I did hug my dad as he died. And I hugged him again several times after he died and before we buried him.
I may very well have had my five month old son’s urn in our bedroom for a while, and I would have been completely comfortable kissing the urn. All my other kids loved our son very much. My daughter would come in the bedroom and rub my wifes belly and talk to him while he was in the womb. I am comfortable with all that.
Posted by: Truthseeker at January 9, 2008 3:01 AM
fetusfaces,
I did hug my dad as he died. And I hugged him again several times after he died and before we buried him.
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Me too.
I took a five-month hiatus from work so that I could care for him so he could die at home.
I hugged him too.
That’s still a far cry from what Santorum did.
(I wish you’d been here when one of the pro-life regulars and I exchanged stories about helping friends unearth and move a buried miscarriage when packing to go to a new home. I think that’s WAY more sound than what Santorum did. It’s still probably a felony…)
(off-topic)
Did anyone see this during “Biggest Loser” last night?
Is this going to be the best show EVER?
(I like the ad that said, “It’s not TV. It’s birth control.”:
BABY BORROWERS: TV show gives teen couples real kids
By Ann Tatko-Peterson
Thursday, January 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm in Baby Borrowers, TV.
Admittedly, I was one of the loudest critics of
Laura (aka Fetus Fascist – BTW, I HATE that name and this is the only time I’ll ever use it.) I saw that preview and I almost got on this site last night to tell everyone to turn on NBC to see the next preview.
It looks AWESOME! I can’t wait! I’m so glad I have TIVO!
Well then, I’ve never attacked anyone on this board because they had a miscarriage.
You lie as poorly as Hooves.
Posted by: FetusFascist at January 8, 2008 11:34 PM
(Thanks Maw,
Yes the term was crotch goo, which was far more offensive than what I had remembered. I know there was at least one more offensive term she used as well. When she was asked to stop, she ccontinued even after being told that some women here on this site have experienced miscarriage and the terms were hurtful)
Wacky,
So you are calling me a liar because you think I had an abortion?? You are so far warped, you are beyond help. Your only defense is to deflect and blame from yourself so you don’t have to take responsibility for what you do.
I didn’t say you attacked someone for having a miscarriage, I have said you make jokes about women who experience pregnancy loss. Whether it be from stillborn or abortion.
I personally don’t really care what people say to you on this site becuase you bring it all on yourself. You ask for it. I agree that you like being attacked, you must get some high from it.
And no, what Rick Santorum did was not against the law. Do you have no comprehension??
“So you are calling me a liar because you think I had an abortion??”
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No, I asked you if you had had an abortion. I called you a liar because you insinuated that I had tormented you because you had a miscarriage.
That NEVER happened.
“I have said you make jokes about women who experience pregnancy loss. Whether it be from stillborn or abortion.”
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Abortion is “pregnancy loss?”
No, it’s pregnancy removal, a service that women are willing to pay good money for, and are grateful for the results.
No, I asked you if you had had an abortion. I called you a liar because you insinuated that I had tormented you because you had a miscarriage.
That NEVER happened.
Laura, you don’t have to directly say something to a woman about her specific miscarriage to hurt her. Calling an unborn child “crotch goop” is very hurtful to a woman who lost a child. It belittles her experience and dehumanizes the person she lost. Whether you meant it to hurt a miscarrying woman or not, you honestly did.
I got an email just yesterday from a woman who experienced an ectopic pregnancy. She is really hurting because her doctor called her baby a “blockage” and refused to let her see the remains so she could bury her baby. (they never do let women take them- not fair at all) She was able to find some comfort in seeing the pictures of my baby at 6 weeks. It gave her the confirmation she was seeking, that she didn’t lose a “blockage” or “tissue”, she lost a little baby who was precious to her.
Obama is an Obamination.
Bethany ,
Hi!!! and thankyou for your support.
Per Wacky:
“No, I asked you if you had had an abortion. I called you a liar because you insinuated that I had tormented you because you had a miscarriage.
That NEVER happened.”
Wacky:
NO, I did not insinuate you tormented me persoanlly because I had a miscarriage. Try to follow along and STOP trying to put words into play that I NEVER wrote. Bethany also clearly points out that you used very cruel terms which were hurtful and that was pointed out to you more than once.
Per Wacky: (again)
“Abortion is “pregnancy loss?”
No, it’s pregnancy removal, a service that women are willing to pay good money for, and are grateful for the results.”
Wacky:
Abortion is definitely considered a pregnancy loss. I will never equate it to a miscarriage or stillborn, but the caring professionals in peri-natal bereavement treat women who greive from abortions just as women who grieve from miscarriage or stillborn. Unlike your statments that women are grateful for the results, many are not and suffer great emotional and physical harm becuase of their choice, just like the woman who came on this site looking for support and you degraded her and made fun of her. Are you going to deny you did that???
You are a master of deflection. You take no responsibility for your actions and are a blatant hypocrite by telling people KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP. Your recents posts are great examples of how you just don’t KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP.
You could have just apologized for your nasty insensitive comments, but instead you continue to argue and make your sick sarcastic comments while trying to defend yourself.
Blah blah blah. Peace, love, and understanding from a man who supports aborting babies alive and shelving them to die in soiled utility rooms, suctioning the brains out of mostly born babies, and letting 10-year-old girls abort with no parental or judicial oversight.
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Hysterical melodramatic sensationalistic garbage
Hooves, please take my e-mail too.
Ok heather….I can’t figure out who’s moderating. Do you know who I need to ask for your email?
Jill, I think. Please give it to AB and Carrie. MK, Bethany and jasper also have it. Sandy, I’d like yours as well.
I send a request to jasper, since I still had his email sitting in my inbox.
Okay Hooves.
Hooves, heather,
I’m at work so I don’t have acces to my home-email right now, but I’ll check it when I get home later on.
Hey Maw,
Are you guys really leaving the site?
Sandy, yes…please see the Hillary cried thread at the end…
Sandy, anytime.
By the way, I am in the process of writing a book for women who are going through miscarriage and wonder if you might be willing to help me with your story, poems, or any information that might be helpful to answer questions that women ask themselves during their time of grief?
You can send any information to my email, if you still have it. :)
Bethany, a book? That’s wonderful!
Hi Bethany!
Wow that’s great! I can certainly see what I can do to help.
There is such a lack of information on miscarriage out there, I am sure a book written in your words will be a immensely helpful to so many. I will touch base with you via e-mail.
MK,
Needless to say, I’m highly flattered by the “Good Lord” in your post to me…
Seriously, I think Laura assumes the paragon position when she criticizes PLers for what she sees as their deficiencies in those areas. Deflection, projection and viciousness are what she does most and best. She has to. Think of the upheaval it would cause her to honestly and openly deal with just the possibility that we are right.
“She may wear a merry laugh upon her lip, but her laughter has an echo that is grim”
As for her intelligence, I think that her head may appear larger than most (in more ways than one) but that is a matter of proportion; it would probably not appear as large if the heart were larger in proportion…recall C.S. Lewis’s stunning conclusion to the chapter entitled “Men Without Chests” in “The Abolition of Man”…?
Chesterton put it another way:
“If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humor or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.”
Slainte!
JTM,
Absolutely brilliant!
I haven’t read The Abolition of Men yet, I’m reading Mere Christianity right now and just finished Silent Planet.
He’s is amazing isn’t he? Wouldn’t you have given anything to meet him. Or have watched one of Chestertons debates with Shaw.
Actually Joe Walsh echoed his sentiments…You Can’t Argue with a Sick Mind…
“Second, who are you to decide what is acceptable for greiving parents. ”
I have given a close friend instructions that I am to be prepared and consumed after death. It makes me comfortable knowing I will live on in the bodies of my friends and family. However I’m sure every pro-lifer will scream about how that is sick and disgusting but applaud Santorum because it was a premature baby.
Jess,
Why do you think we would freak over that…I’m confused, as in I don’t how you could be consumed…you mean as in sprinkling your ashes on food?
I mean it’s a bit out there, and I wouldn’t do it, but remember who you’re talking to. A Catholic. We consume the body of our Lord every Sunday. So the idea of living in somebody after death isn’t really all that foreign to some of us.
*shudder* I don’t think it’s sick, I think you have every right to have your body dealt with how you want after death…but dude, I don’t think I could eat my best friend or a family member.
Any other video clips of pro-lifers disrupting rallies? I’d like to see them.