Mexico City may have seen 8 women die from legal abortions
by Steven Ertelt
It’s no surprise when the American media fails to cover the deaths of women from legal abortions. Now, it appears the same thing is happening in Mexico.
From the story:
Jorge Serrano Limón of the Mexican National Pro-Life (Provida) Committee says he has information showing several deaths: “We have the information, dates, and hospitals where they died” even though “the authorities will only recognize the underage girl who died in Balbuena Hospital.”
Mexico City’s leading newspaper already confirmed one death. How long will it take for them to report on the rest?
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Mexico City’s leading newspaper already confirmed one death. How long will it take for them to report on the rest?
A variety of answers occur to me:
1. When there is an actual legitimate source indicating that these “deaths” actually happened.
2. When the facts indicate that the manner in which legal abortion in Mexico is being conducted is a significant problem.
3. When news sources start routinely reporting on deaths from surgical procedures.
There is obviously something wrong with these hospitals. Maybe they should suspend abortions until they find out what the problem is. But then again we don’t know how many women die actually giving birth. If they’re hiding this what else could they be hiding?
There is obviously something wrong with these hospitals. Maybe they should suspend abortions until they find out what the problem is. But then again we don’t know how many women die actually giving birth. If they’re hiding this what else could they be hiding?
You might wanna Google maternal mortality in Mexico.
In 1996, for instance, the maternal death rate for Canadian women was 2.5 in 100,000 live births.
In Mexico the maternal death rate was 48 in 100,000 live births.
There is obviously something wrong with these hospitals. Maybe they should suspend abortions until they find out what the problem is. But then again we don’t know how many women die actually giving birth. If they’re hiding this what else could they be hiding?
Posted by: Jess at April 8, 2008 11:13 AM
The problem is that there isn’t any real evidence that they’re “hiding” anything. You have a single, highly questionable source for this information, and, according to the story on “lifenews” (another highly questionable source) even that single source says only that the deaths “may” have been the result of abortion procedures.
If a woman is hit by a car while crossing the street after having an abortion, did the abortion kill her?
On some of the “cemeteries of choice” they just say, “died after having an abortion” not “died from having an abortion.” I mean maybe they died three months later from something completely different? Or maybe they died because they didn’t do the necessary follow up. Did they deserve to die because they didn’t do the necessary after care? No but did the abortion kill them? No. I mean if someone refuses to take antibiotics after a surgery, get an infection and die, did the surgery kill them? No.
LifeNews.com is no more questionable than your pro-abortion views, Hieronymous. Women die from legal abortions whether you acknowledge it or not.
But why did they die?
More importantly, why are they getting abortions?
Steven – when you rush to “print” (in quotes, because it’s online) a story that you can’t even confirm because it happens to tickle your particular obsession, I don’t think that you can claim to be a legitimate news source.
On the other hand, 27 women (and their children) die every day from botched, illegal abortions in Nigeria.
While I believe it’s important to examine Mexico’s medical practices to make sure they’re as safe as they possibly can be (face it: all medical procedures have a possibility of damaging the patient), I think it’s also important to consider the tragedies that occur as a result of lack of access to safe abortions.
Hiero: The problem is that there isn’t any real evidence that they’re “hiding” anything. You have a single, highly questionable source for this information, and, according to the story on “lifenews” (another highly questionable source) even that single source says only that the deaths “may” have been the result of abortion procedures.
So it would be a waste of time for anyone to investigate this further? What kind of source would you expect this story to come from? ” The Death to Teens Daily Herald”?
What if there were rumors that 8 teens had died from plastic surgery in the last year. Would it be a waste of time to investigate that too?
Edyt: On the other hand, 27 women (and their children) die every day from botched, illegal abortions in Nigeria.
While I believe it’s important to examine Mexico’s medical practices to make sure they’re as safe as they possibly can be (face it: all medical procedures have a possibility of damaging the patient), I think it’s also important to consider the tragedies that occur as a result of lack of access to safe abortions.
Maybe they should stop doing abortions in Nigeria until they can figure how how to do it right. Mexico may have to do the same thing. I guess it depends on what they value more, human lives, or the right to choose.
Our Lady of Guadalupe,
Protector of the Unborn,
Pray for us. Pray for Mexico.
Dios te salve, Mar
Amen.
Bobby,
I don’t know the particulars of the how Mexico finally came to legalize abortion, but it still breaks my heart because of the devotion they have to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Most of Latin America (if not all) is still safe from abortion, and we need to do some serious praying that it stays that way. If millions of people prayed a short prayer each day, I know it would make a difference.
God bless you.
“Protector of the Unborn, ”
Don’t you mean babies? Aren’t unborn humans still babies?
And by babies do you mean pre-born babies? Pre-born meaning fertilized and attached to the mothers uterus?
I guess it depends on what they value more, human lives, or the right to choose.
I’m pretty sure we can guess the answer to this question, though…
**Hint: It’s NOT human lives**
So it would be a waste of time for anyone to investigate this further? What kind of source would you expect this story to come from? ” The Death to Teens Daily Herald”?
What if there were rumors that 8 teens had died from plastic surgery in the last year. Would it be a waste of time to investigate that too?
Posted by: Janet at April 8, 2008 12:57 PM
Please point me to the spot where I said it would be a waste of time to investigate. I must have blacked out when I typed it, because I can’t remember doing it.
The post is about breathlessly gasping OMG!! The MSM isn’t reporting the unconfirmed fantasy that I want them to report!!
I responded to the question asked in the post, that question being “when is the media going to report on this?” and my answer was, when there is actually a story to report. I didn’t say anything about whether people should investigate.
I guess it depends on what they value more, human lives, or the right to choose.
I’m pretty sure we can guess the answer to this question, though…
**Hint: It’s NOT human lives**
Posted by: Elizabeth at April 8, 2008 3:15 PM
Yep, that’s a pretty good answer. Especially if you consider a fetus to be more “human” than the woman who is carrying it.
Gee, you have ONE confirmed death. I don’t suppose you bothered to find out how many women died trying to give birth over that same time period?
“Protector of the Unborn, ”
Don’t you mean babies? Aren’t unborn humans still babies?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 8, 2008 2:27 PM
“Protector of the Unborn, ”
Don’t you mean babies? Aren’t unborn humans still babies?
Posted by: Anonymous at April 8, 2008 2:27 PM
And by babies do you mean pre-born babies? Pre-born meaning fertilized and attached to the mothers uterus?
Posted by: Jess at April 8, 2008 2:32 PM
No, I mean “unborn”.
Hier –
You are missing the point. No one is investigating because no one is bringing it to national attention (i.e. the media.) How many times has a horrific story come to light and someone says “Not to worry, we’re already investigating.” Um, none.
It’s only when the story breaks that there’s the outcry for investigation, action, punishment. But far be it from the MSM to report on this. If we got wind of one then there are more than likely many more being covered up. Savvy?
Hiero The post is about breathlessly gasping OMG!! The MSM isn’t reporting the unconfirmed fantasy that I want them to report!!
I responded to the question asked in the post, that question being “when is the media going to report on this?” and my answer was, when there is actually a story to report. I didn’t say anything about whether people should investigate.
Before responding to you……I read the full story and learned from it that it appears that there were reports of several deaths in addition to the one confirmed death. In my mind there is more to this story begging to be told, in other words “investigated”. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but it sounded like you thought the facts didn’t warrant any further investigation. If that’s still how you feel, then I guess we disagree.
“And by babies do you mean pre-born babies? Pre-born meaning fertilized and attached to the mothers uterus?
Posted by: Jess at April 8, 2008 2:32 PM
No, I mean “unborn”.
Posted by: Janet at April 8, 2008 4:45 PM”
So you mean aborted babies?
Kristen and Janet –
Usually with real reporting, the story is a result of an investigation and confirmation of the facts being alleged. This “story” has none of that. All I’m saying is that it seems silly to whine about how the media isn’t reporting on this story, when there is no story to report as of yet.
You seem to think it’s the job of the media to report every wild-eyed accusation brought by people with clear agendas to push. But responsible reporting takes leads, follows up on them with an investigation into the facts, and if the lead pans out, THEN writes and publishes the story.
Otherwise, it’s just the National Inquirer….or lifenews as the case may be.
Hiero,
It would be nice to see a real investigation. I wonder if any editors will waste their time on such a silly story. do you think?
We’ll we don’t care about Mexicans in general I mean, we shoot them at the border, we deny them citizenship, we don’t give a damn about why they are fleeing their country.
LifeNews.com is no more questionable than your pro-abortion views, Hieronymous.
Posted by: Steven Ertelt at April 8, 2008 11:33 AM
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Yeah, Captain Accuracy. Tell that story about Planned Parenthood making a billion-dollar profit last year.
Maybe they should stop doing abortions in Nigeria until they can figure how how to do it right.
I’m appalled at the ignorance abounding from that comment.
Here’s a hint: When something is illegal, but people want to do it anyway, they will find ways to do it. Even if those ways cost them their lives. We KNOW how to perform safe abortions. When 27 women a day die from unsafe abortions, maybe making abortion illegal IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
Also, guess what, when those women die, so do the unborn! That’s 54 people dead in one day. If you were pro-life, you’d rather have half those people die, rather than all of them. Making abortion illegal does not make the problem go away. But more people die.
Actually, I’m hoping what you said was some kind of sick joke.
Edyt:
My ignorance is appalling? I’m not the one supporting killing babies because I don’t want anyone telling me (or anyone else for that matter) what I can and can NOT do. Yikes! You used to be pro-life, right? Please re-think your position.
If you were pro-life, you’d rather have half those people die, rather than all of them. Making abortion illegal does not make the problem go away. But more people die.
Yes, exactly. Why kill 54 when you can legally kill 27? Makes perfect sense to me. Yikes (again)!
Like I said… people are going to do what they’re going to do, regardless of the law…
While I don’t think it’s good to have 27 people die every day, I would rather have 27 die than 54! Especially because many of those women die in excruciating pain and over a long period of time.
It’s not like you can just walk over to Nigeria and find all the crazy witch doctors and be like, “Hey, you better stop doing abortions until you go to school and learn how to do it the right way” and they’ll actually listen.
What’s preventing people from learning how to do it properly is the laws in place that make abortion illegal.
For example, say we have a cure for cancer, but it’s considered immoral for whatever reason and made illegal. Some people will go to other countries to get the cure, while others will go to various “doctors” who say they have a cure, even if that cure is something crazy, like pouring scalding water on the location of the cancer.
When something is made illegal and people still want access to it… they will find a way, even if it’s damaging to their health.
That’s why I found your statement appalling, because it sounded like you were trying to say that Nigerian doctors just needed to be educated and that would solve the problem. It won’t, because that’s not the problem.
In the USA, the maternal death rate from induced abortion is less than one maternal death per hundred thousand abortions.
That’s safer than injecting a patient with penicillin. More than ten times safer than childbirth.
Read the source the doctors read: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/140/8/620
Edyt:9:16,
That’s why I found your statement appalling, because it sounded like you were trying to say that Nigerian doctors just needed to be educated and that would solve the problem. It won’t, because that’s not the problem.
Obviously, that was sarcasm. I’m still not convinced that lower maternal mortality rates are a product of legal abortion, or a good a reason to keep abortion legal. There’s NO good reason for abortion.
SoMG: In the USA, the maternal death rate from induced abortion is less than one maternal death per hundred thousand abortions.
This is hardly an unbiased source. It also states:
The National Abortion Federation and Planned Parenthood Federation of America have helpful Web sites and networks of high-quality clinics.
Most importantly, why, if the death statistics are so low in the U.S.A., has there been one (confirmed) death already out of only 6,132 abortions in the 10 months that Mexico has had legalized abortion? (And even more reported, but unconfirmed.)
Read the source the doctors read: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/140/8/620
Posted by SoMG 9:42
Janet, you should read:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673606694816/fulltext
The Lancet does not lie.
Janet, you wrote: “[Annals of Internal Medicine] is hardly an unbiased source. It also states:
The National Abortion Federation and Planned Parenthood Federation of America have helpful Web sites and networks of high-quality clinics.”
That’s true! It’s a fact.
The Lancet does not lie.
It may be one of the most prestigious medical sources, however it’s authors are human and no human is perfect and even the most prestigious doctors are still susceptible to political bias.
Wanting to prevent women from dying from illegal abortions–that’s what Rachel calls “political bias”.
While I don’t think it’s good to have 27 people die every day, I would rather have 27 die than 54! Especially because many of those women die in excruciating pain and over a long period of time.
Would you rather have 27 women raped legally, rather than 54 raped illegally?
Would you rather have 27 children molested legally, rather than 54 molested illegally?
Would you rather have 27 men beat their wives legally, rather than 54 beaten illegally?
Also, guess what, when those women die, so do the unborn! That’s 54 people dead in one day. If you were pro-life, you’d rather have half those people die, rather than all of them. Making abortion illegal does not make the problem go away. But more people die.
If you were against rape, you would rather that half of those people raped were raped legally, rather than all of them, illegally. You must be pro-rape. Making rape illegal doesn’t take the problem of rape away. People still rape every day.
If you were against child molestation, you would rather that half of those children were molested, legally, rather than all of them, illegally. You must be pro-child molestation. Making child molestation doesn’t take the problem away. People still molest children every day.
If you were against wife beating, you would rather that half of those women were beaten, legally, rather than all of them, illegally. You must be pro-domestic abuse. Making domestic battery illegal doesn’t take the problem away. People still beat their wives every day.
Oh boy. Bethany, when you look at a problem on the surface and don’t recognize the depth, you fail to create solutions that accurately solve the problem.
Rape, domestic abuse and child molestation are all psychological problems linked to the need for power and control.
Having an abortion does not indicate psychological instability or a desire for power/control.
It’s nice that you tried to compare all different kinds of crimes, but apples and oranges…
And by the way, yes, I would rather have half the people raped, molested and abused than the numbers we have now. But I’m not advocating for them to be made legal.
Oh come on, like abortion isn’t about “control”.
Bobby,
I don’t know the particulars of the how Mexico finally came to legalize abortion, but it still breaks my heart because of the devotion they have to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Most of Latin America (if not all) is still safe from abortion, and we need to do some serious praying that it stays that way. If millions of people prayed a short prayer each day, I know it would make a difference.
God bless you.
Posted by: Janet at April 8, 2008 1:47 PM
Good point Janet, if it weren’t for constant immigration from Latin America, our economy would be in the toilet.
Having an abortion does not indicate psychological instability or a desire for power/control.
Posted by: Edyt at April 9, 2008 1:43 PM
Women who have had abortions have a suicide rate 600% higher that women who give birth, according to a California study of over a million women.
Now, were they unstable before or did abortion contribute to their mental condition?
Wanting to prevent women from dying from illegal abortions–that’s what Rachel calls “political bias”.
Posted by: SoMG at April 8, 2008 11:23 PM
What do you call wanting to prevent babies from dying from illegal abortions? I am as concerned about them as their moms.
Edyt: Also, guess what, when those women die, so do the unborn! That’s 54 people dead in one day. If you were pro-life, you’d rather have half those people die, rather than all of them. Making abortion illegal does not make the problem go away. But more people die.
Oh boy. Bethany, when you look at a problem on the surface and don’t recognize the depth, you fail to create solutions that accurately solve the problem.
It’s also possible to over think a problem and fail to see the obvious.
We want freedom so badly that it makes us slaves to everything.
We want to be called feminists, equal to men, so we fight to keep the right to kill our children.
What is our priority? Freedom, or life?