What I’ll do to see the President
That’s me, your humble correspondent, in the black and white coat on the left, helping bid von boyage to the President this morning as Marine I lifted off from the White House lawn to take him to Andrews Air Force Base. Rain + whirring helicopter blades = mini-hurricane. Needless to say, I had to buy a new umbrella. Click to enlarge…
That’s my bf Diane in the green coat – a professional photographer by trade – protecting her camera…
Very funny…
Apr.21, 2008 4:35 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
LOL!
There’s something so satisfying about watching him leave.
Can January come any sooner?
That’s a very funny series of photos!
Laura, I wonder if your type ever thinks about anything besides your hatred for Bush.
Gee Laura,
It was so satisfying to see you leave. Why exactly are you back at Jill’s site?
Jill Stanek went to DC and all we got was this post? We can haz t-shirts plz?
Geez, Jill. This is supposed to be a pro-life website, not a Republican website. Don’t you care about all of the pro-life Democrats who come here? You know that they can’t look at a picture of George W. Bush without smoke shooting out of their ears. You’re really being an inhospitable host to them.
(If this post were dripping with any more sarcasm the computer would be wet)
John L.: ROFLMBO!!!!
Jill,
These pictures are awesome! Thanks for sharing the laugh!!!
President Bushh looks so adorable in that picture….It’s like I want to run up to him & give him a great, big hug!
Bravo to President Bush and his administration’s welcome of the Holy Father. Beginning with the south lawn ceremony all the way to the departure on Sunday evening everything was handled flawlessly.
I believe it was John Edwards who as candidate Edwards took as his main theme that of two Americas. The theme of two Americas was most certainly evident during the papal visit, but not in the way Edward’s meant. When the Pope ended his comments on the White House lawn and again at his departure he used three wonderful words: “God Bless America!” What a stark contrast to candidate Obama’s mentor/spiritual advisor who just a few weeks back stunned America with his hateful God D____ Amerika!
Viva il Papa! And thanks once again President Bush for your extending gracious hospitality on behalf of the American people.
JILL,
Someone should send this picture of George to Barbara Bush. It’s so cute!
Jill, maybe you could snort some coke with him.
SoMG,
HUH???? Where did THAT come from???
SoMG, did you know that Bush’s coke has ground up orphans and puppies in it? Or maybe that’s Obama’s coke. I keep getting that mixed up…
JLM, George W. Bush was a well-known all-day every-day cokehead when he was at Yale. He did not trouble to conceal it.
SoMG, some guy on the internets accused Obama of doing coke and giving him oral sex. It must be true!
It’s amazing to see the kind of discussion that a picture of Bush holding an umbrella invokes.
SoMG,
Thanks for explaining that.
So, what…you think he STILL does it?
JLM,
my same reaction when people started making a big bru-ha-ha about Obama’s past drug use.
PIP,
I like that Obama was man enough to admit it.
Me too, JLM. I like his honesty.
Ryan: “Laura, I wonder if your type ever thinks about anything besides your hatred for Bush.”
Ryan, they can’t help it, it’s an illness. It’s called Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Well… I can’t say I’ve been a fan of what’s happened under the current president’s… umm… presidency–administration! That’s it!
In any case, I think the past eight years have been a mess–a HUGE mess. But seriously, people–look at him! He looks so funny! You just wanna hug him!
Dick Cheney did all the bad stuff, I just know it. Poor Georgie was just an innocent accessory to Cheney’s reign of terror.
No, really. I do believe it. Anyone who gives any picture of the president a good, hard look would just have to believe the same. He’s so cute! (in a grandpa sort of way…)
You know what the picture of Bush makes me want to do? Run up to him and say, “I have something for you to kiss” and he’ll say “What a baby?” and I’ll say, “No this!” and hold up a little hamster. Awesome.
Jess, will you marry me?
LOL Jess!
Leah actually I completely agree!
George is too cute! :)
@John:
“Geez, Jill. This is supposed to be a pro-life website, not a Republican website. Don’t you care about all of the pro-life Democrats who come here? You know that they can’t look at a picture of George W. Bush without smoke shooting out of their ears. You’re really being an inhospitable host to them.
(If this post were dripping with any more sarcasm the computer would be wet)”
Thanks. Thanks for being mature about that topic.
And thanks to everyone who day after day make it more difficult for the next generation of pro-lifers to save babies. Go ahead and have your fun with it – antagonizing and finger pointing. I’ll be over hear building bridges and binding wounds.
+StudentFL
PIP: Yeeah! We know how it really is.
Seriously, people. Look at the man. How dangerous can he be?
Now someone go find a picture of Dick Cheney. He’s scary. He would never have gotten elected president. He needed cute little George Jr. to be the face of his diabolical plot.
Poor George. Do you need a hug? I’ll hug you, li’l guy!
In other world news, my uncle sucks at washing the dishes! The pear I am eating tastes like the garlic that was on this plate a few hours ago. *rolls eyes*
You need soap, Eric! Soap!
Hey StudentFL, my grandparents were Democrats. My parents used to be Democrats. So don’t you try to play this game with me, OK?
The Democratic Party has become the Party of Abortion and barely deserves to be spared from oblivion. The Democratic Party is an abomination. It is the most powerful pro-abortion force in the entire country. More powerful than Planned Parenthood, more powerful than NARAL, more powerful than NOW. Why any pro-lifer would choose to remain in the Democratic Party is a complete mystery to me. It’s as absurd as a black person joining the KKK.
As I said, unless you are actively working to remove Howard Dean as DNC Chair; unless you are actively working to remove Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama from the Senate; unless you are actively working to remove Nancy Pelosi from the House of Representatives; then what exactly are you still doing in the Democratic Party?
Leah,
I know, look at them. Cheney just looks evil; Bush just looks clueless. No doubt, Bush is most likely Cheney’s puppet.
Bored with the Bush haters who have no better candidate to offer.
I do see a nice smile in the pic……. a natural smile…… a smile without botox ;-)
John,
My parents use to be Democrats too. The Democrat party left them, they didn’t leave the Democrat party.
see, I think the difference between pro-life republicans and pro-life democrats (beware, a generalization be near) is that pro choice dems arent one issue voters.
Now, may I again remind you I am aware that is a generalization, so dont go after me for it, its just an idea being thrown out there to look at.
In all honesty, I think there are far bigger problems facing this country right now than abortion, that really could determine how long this country survives as it has the past 232 (or so) years. The economy, the Iraq War, the abysmal state of education, etc are going to determine more of our country’s future than abortion is likely to. Do I think we all see it as an issue that is likely going to be debated endlessly, and likely always be important in some way or another? Yeah, of course, people arent going to agree on something like abortion, but right now the course for this country is about to be set. So, even though it’s likely I’m not going to agree with the choice most of you make, I do want you all to go out and vote if for no other reason than to see this country go in the direction that you want it to go in, and for the person you think can best “fix” what’s wrong with our country that will affect us for years and years to come.
Oh, and on a completely random and unrelated note, I’m leaving for Florida (Vero Beach area) in the morning to visit my grandparents, and as internet access and time is unlikely, I probably wont see you all til next Tuesday (which, incidentally, is my 18th birthday :)) so, have a good week if I dont talk to any of you before I leave, and see you next Tuesday :)
John, do you really think there’s any difference between most Republicans and Democrats?? Most Republicans throw the pro-life stance into their positions to gain votes from people like you, not because they care at all about us or any unborn babies.
“unless…what exactly are you still doing in the Democratic Party?”
One of your most obvious problems John is that you assume things that aren’t true. I never said that I was a Democrat. I actually can’t stand either party. The filthy democratic system in this country disgusts me. It’s all about the economy in the long run, everything else is just to pad the platform and gain votes. Neither party will bring about change on the abortion issue because neither party actually cares.
But individuals do care. One leader could rise up and follow through (haven’t seen one yet; they’re all scum). But to think that we need to hold onto any specific party as if they actually mean something is absurd. Parties won’t solve this issue John, only individual efforts.
I can’t wait till today’s leaders in the pro-life movement get older, and then they all can look back on the accomplishments they’ve done for the pro-life movement, and see that’s it has amounted to squat compared to all the babies that have been aborted and all the women and families still left neglected.
You should be ashamed of yourself, John, for how you have treated fellow pro-lifers, for how you have belittled this issue and belittled my argument. This is not how we ought to act.
You claim that I shouldn’t try to “play this game” with you. Now I ask: what game? I only offer the bigger picture; the solution is within…
“John, do you really think there’s any difference between most Republicans and Democrats?? Most Republicans throw the pro-life stance into their positions to gain votes from people like you, not because they care at all about us or any unborn babies.”
Very untrue, if Democrats voted with Republicans on the life issue, abortion would be illegal today. I’m not saying republicans are perfect, they made alot of mistakes too (David Souter, John Paul Stevens, Anthony Kenedy).
as a matter of fact, Roe v wade my have been overturned today if it were not for a pro-abort Democrat -Ted Kennedy who destroyed Robert Bork’s nomination.
“Very untrue, if Democrats voted with Republicans on the life issue, abortion would be illegal today.”
Does that mean that there would be no more abortions?
Dan: The economy, the Iraq War, the abysmal state of education, etc are going to determine more of our country’s future than abortion is likely to. Do I think we all see it as an issue that is likely going to be debated endlessly, and likely always be important in some way or another? Yeah, of course, people arent going to agree on something like abortion, but right now the course for this country is about to be set.
Well said, Dan.
I don’t think this country surviving or not is much of a question right now, but also don’t think the upcoming election matters all that much in the grand scheme of things.
“Does that mean that there would be no more abortions?”
No, but alot less. stealing is illegal and there are still some people who steal. Should we legalize stealing? after all, stealing still happens…
PIP: I KNOW!!! I can’t say it enough… I just wanna hug him!
Not Cheney. He’s yucky.
:)
“I farted just before I got out of the car.”
I wouldn’t stand in any element to take a picture of a killer. Look at that smile. The smile of a man who sent thousands to die and thousands to be injured. Let’s all smile for those single parents now! Heee Hee. He really acts like a president at war doesn’t he? Freaking chickenhawk. Don’t you guys wish Barbara had an abortion?
It was Cheney. It was all Cheney.
Peach Pit, Leah,
Have you been bombed by a terrorist since 9/11?
who would of thought…
Thanks God we have Pres. Bush and Cheney who are willing to stand up to these murderous thugs. Not many leaders have the spine they do.
Who was president when we got hit?
Jasper, if we stood up to the murderous thugs, how come he is still alive and free?
PP, would have another president prevented the attack on 9/11? What would’ve been different? Do you mean a Democrat president would have tracked these terrorists down before the flew the planes?
After all, they entered the country and had been planning the attack all the while Bill Clinton was President.
Jasper, do you read the news? Clinton’s people were on this. They didn’t know what or where yet, but they suspected an attack was imminent, and they were being vigilant about it. They tried to communicate this to the Bush people during the transition, but Bush had his own agenda, and defending this nation against terrorist attack evidently was not on it, because they shelved and ignored the evidence and warnings handed to them.
Remember this about Bush: after being shown a briefing in Crawford on August 6 entitled Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States, he told the CIA briefer: “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” He then proceeded to continue his vacation until the end of August.
Could Bush’s people have stopped 9/11 if they had acted on the available evidence as Clinton would have? We’ll never know, because they didn’t even try.
It happened on his watch. Just like the deaths of all of our troops. On his watch. But hey, he’s pro life. He’s so pro life he’ll send a dad over to Iraq for the 3rd time so he can get killed guarding a Haliburton employee and leave his two kids at home to live with no dad. PRO LIFE FOR SURE!
his umbrella is wearing a rain coat …
“Remember this about Bush: after being shown a briefing in Crawford on August 6 entitled Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States, he told the CIA briefer”
..and thats all they had Ray, a yrs old memo (bin laden determined to attack), that was about it. Do you think bin-laden sent Bush his plan?
That why it’s so important to confront terrorists on their own turf.
“It happened on his watch. Just like the deaths of all of our troops. On his watch.”
PP, thats always a safe fall back for you. nice.
The psychology of Bush Hatred Charles Krauthammer:
The psychological defense mechanism is referred to as “displacement”. One way you can usually tell that an individual is using displacement is that the emotion being displaced (e.g., anger) is all out of proportion to the reality of the situation. The purpose of displacement is to avoid having to cope with the actual reality. Instead, by using displacement, an individual is able to still experience his or her anger, but it is directed at a less threatening target than the real cause. In this way, the individual does not have to be responsible for the consequences of his/her anger and feels more safe. How else to explain the remarkable and sometimes lunatic appeasement of Islamofascists by so many governments and around the world?
Rather than blame the terrorists; rather than admiting they have to take action against them; their fear is transformed to anger and displaced onto President Bush. If everything is his fault, then the reality of what happened does not have to be faced (this also explains the intense psychological denial that these same individuals tend to have about 9/11). Bush thus becomes the “criminal mastermind”, so devious, so evil, that everything he says is a “lie”, everything he does is part of a vast global conspiracy. His family has intimate ties to Bin Laden and the Saudis; He is trying to avenge the insult to his father by getting rid of Saddam; He plans world domination etc. etc. I could go on an on, but you get the point.
What is most funny is that these psychologically naive individuals simultaneously think of Bush as this criminal mastermind, a genius of evil; and also as a complete moron who isn’t capable of uttering a sentence without making a hash of it. The cognitive dissonance required to have all these contradictory beliefs swirling around in one’s brain is astonishing. But besides the primary function it serves to erase from consciousness what is happening in the world today, it is serving a secondary purpose–it makes them feel in control of what might come.
They can predict with the complete accuracy of the delusional mind that whatever happens–whatever horror is unleashed by Al Qaeda or Hamas or Islamic Jihad–was caused by President Bush’s actions/inactions/intentions (take your pick). They can conduct a brave protest march against the evil Bush…but clearly they don’t dare protest real terror or terrorist acts. The terrorists are simply poor, misunderstood individuals who have been oppressed by…Bush.
Yes, Jasper, I’m sure that Bush himself stopped any further attack on the USA. Yeah… or something…
Canada, here I come!
“No, but alot less. stealing is illegal and there are still some people who steal. Should we legalize stealing? after all, stealing still happens…”
So what do you propose we should do with the women who get abortions after abortion is banned? What should be the typical punishment?
Posted by: Ray at April 22, 2008 11:15 AM
You’re kidding right?! Clinton, as testified by MANY in the CIA during Clinton’s watch, had numerous times they knew exactly where Obama was and recommended Clinton exercise the “kill order.” (I don’t agree with the kill order but they could have picked him up at the very least.) Clinton was UNWILLING to do so.
You are correct, Clinton knew plans were in the works but failed (miserably) in protecting the United States.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
Here you go, a little light reading for you.
Oh my goodness! Not “Obama!” Should be “Bin Laden.” LOL!
And just one last thing…
Osama bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, in 1998 the two embassies in Africa, 2000 the USS Cole was bombed.
Are you seriously going to sit there and say Bush didn’t do enough to stop it in the 8 months he was in office but Clinton, who had 8 YEARS is blameless? Grow up please.
“So what do you propose we should do with the women who get abortions after abortion is banned? What should be the typical punishment?”
What is the penalty women normally get when they kill their infants? probation? 6 months, a year? I would say the same should apply.
So what do you propose we should do with the women who get abortions after abortion is banned? What should be the typical punishment?
At LEAST one year in the mental ward…where I think they belong now, too! A mother has to be crazy to kill her own offspring for HER own self-centered desires!
CRAZY!
What about the women who were lied to? Told it was a bunch of cells? Forced and coerced? 14 years old?
StudentFL, you are a dishonest political hack, and that should be obvious to everyone now based on your more recent posts.
As for Ray, PeachPit, et al… I just love the Bush-hate! It’s so typical! All you have to do is post a photo of Bush and your BDS flares up, and you proceed to make some of the most insane statements I’ve ever read. It’s hilarious!
“What is the penalty women normally get when they kill their infants? probation? 6 months, a year? I would say the same should apply.”
Please answer Carla’s question. There is often coercion, dishonesty, and social ramifications present that pressure a woman into getting an abortion that just aren’t present with typical cases of murder.
“At LEAST one year in the mental ward…where I think they belong now, too! A mother has to be crazy to kill her own offspring for HER own self-centered desires!
CRAZY!”
Take a look at the women getting abortions. Not all are selfish. Some are socially marginalized.
“StudentFL, you are a dishonest political hack, and that should be obvious to everyone now based on your more recent posts.”
Okay John, you made the claim. Now point out where I have been dishonest. I am not a hack sir, I am merely looking for answers. I get none. I am pro-life. Always have been. But that does not mean we must lack compassion or be irrational. You are failing to answer my question: what ought we as a society do to the women who procure abortions if we do in fact enact a ban on abortion?
“What about the women who were lied to? Told it was a bunch of cells? Forced and coerced? 14 years old?”
That’s a good point Carla, in that case, there should no penalty. ..and the people doing the coersion should be tried..
See, hopefully when abortion is illegal, more women will go to CPC’s for help and those situations will be rare.
“Please answer Carla’s question. There is often coercion, dishonesty, and social ramifications present that pressure a woman into getting an abortion that just aren’t present with typical cases of murder.”
It should be handled on a case by case basis like any court hearing, if women are be coerced, then the people doing the abortions are operating an illegal abortion mill and they should be tried…
StudentFL, you’re are spouting the Pro-abortion talking points, good for you.
Well, excuse any us who have become extremely hacked off at a “leader” who has lead the economy and the country into the toilet and made us the laughingstock of the rest of the world.
But, hey, he goes to church, so I guess that just makes up for it all…….
JKeller, see my comment at: 11:54 AM
Jasper,
I would also consider it displacement to free Bush from any and all responsibility from our current state. If the US president, the “leader of the free world” is not accountable for anything that happens to the country he governs, then we might as well be an anarchy.
You aren’t still clinging to the “they hate us because of our freedom” angle are you? Are you sure it doesn’t have anything to do with drunken frat boy and his merry band of bible thumpers goading them on?
“Are you sure it doesn’t have anything to do with drunken frat boy and his merry band of bible thumpers goading them on?”
You know J Keller, this type of hatred is unheard of. I mean, I didn’t like the Clinton’s all that much, (and I could go on list a bunch of things about the Clintons)but I never had hatred like left-wing blogesphere. It seems very unhealthy.
What about the women who were lied to? Told it was a bunch of cells? Forced and coerced? 14 years old?
Carla,
That’s so ironic that you posted that. Right after I hit “Post”, I thought someone would ask something to that effect!!
The women that were lied to? Well, if abortion were illegal, then who would be doing the lying? It would be like someone telling me to rob a bank, and it’s ok. If I did it, I’d still be arrested because ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Told it was a bunch of cells? Same as above.
Forced and coerced? Two seperate issues. The one doing the forcing should absolutely go to jail (I believe kidnapping and perhaps torture charges would also apply here). Coerced?…again, bank scenario. Someone who talks someone into doing something illegal isn’t the same as the person doing it.
14-year olds???? Juvenille court with counseling provided. (like they should be doing now, as well).
Now, if you’re referring to these scenarios from my comment “self-centered”…I don’t know. I truly believe that mother’s have a God-given basic instinct to protect their young. Deep, deep down they know it’s a baby and they know what they are doing. They all know how to call 9-11 for help! Unless they are sociopaths, they do have a conscience.
I’m sorry Carla. In mind mind, there is no way I can wrap my head around justifying abortion for any reason whatsoever.
“I’m sorry Carla. In mind mind, there is no way I can wrap my head around justifying abortion for any reason whatsoever.”
@JLM: Even for the life of the mother?
Rae,
I don’t believe murder is ok for any reason. If the mother is dying, it’s God’s will for her to do so that way. We all will die at one time or another. Most of the time it’s not the way we would LIKE to go.
@JLM: So you are even against killing in self-defense?
“If the mother is dying, it’s God’s will for her to do so that way. We all will die at one time or another. Most of the time it’s not the way we would LIKE to go.”
Are you also against CPR? Pacemakers? Cancer treatment? Antibiotics?
StudentForAbortion, America had laws against abortion inbetween 1776 and 1973. Why don’t you go look up what the punishments were for abortion then.
Ridiculous Democrat hack…
So you are even against killing in self-defense?
Absolutely not. An INNOCENT life is not being taken in this scenario.
Are you also against CPR? Pacemakers? Cancer treatment? Antibiotics?
Focus here….we’re talking about abortion and murder. NOT saving your own life! How could you possibly think that I would think that CPR Pacemakers, Cancer treatment and antibiotics are murder? No life is being taken in these scenarios. Please.
The law is for covering the general conditions, not the exceptions.
Murder penalty varies with the person’s degree of personal responsibility (forethought, sanity, etc. ) for the act.
This standard could continue even though many women are threatened with death if they don’t abort. But it would be difficult to carry out. The easiest legal recourse is to put away the abortionists and anyone who coerces an abortion.
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There won’t be a single presentation of a medical case in which killing and dismembering a premature fetus was necessary to save the life of the mother.
That’s because the abortion procedures aren’t used for this reason. Various methods of early delivery are what is done to save a mother if her life is at stake. Then the kid goes to NICU or gets palliative care if there’s no hope at all.
Yes, abortion supporters, this fact has leaked out of the obstetrics community, so please turn off the tired, medically inaccurate appeal to emotions for justifying the practice of killing humans on purpose.
[The smallest kid I have mixed TPN for, so far, weighed 390 grams.]
May God bless you, kb!
Thanks for your post!
@JLM: I’m not talking about whether it’s murder. I was specifically asking about this specific point:
“it’s God’s will for her to do so that way. We all will die at one time or another. Most of the time it’s not the way we would LIKE to go.”
If your heart stops due to a heart attack, don’t you think God willed it? So who are we to do CPR? Same with cancer, wouldn’t that be God’s will? For you to die of cancer?
I wasn’t really specifically asking about abortion for that question. It’s the way you phrased that in the case of life-threatening pregnancies, it’s okay for the woman to die because that’s God’s will. So my point was, if that’s God’s will, her natural death during childbirth…why isn’t it God’s will for people to die natural deaths from heart attacks, cancer, or infections?
“There won’t be a single presentation of a medical case in which killing and dismembering a premature fetus was necessary to save the life of the mother.
That’s because the abortion procedures aren’t used for this reason. Various methods of early delivery are what is done to save a mother if her life is at stake. Then the kid goes to NICU or gets palliative care if there’s no hope at all.”
Um…tubal pregnancies? Or is only okay to terminate tubal pregnancies just before the fallopian tube ruptures or if the entire fallopian tube is removed (law of double effect)?
But I agree, I do think it’s better for the baby to be delivered early, because as far as I can tell, a late-term abortion is almost the same as childbirth (minus the fact childbirth doesn’t crush the baby’s skull) in that the cervix is still dilated and/or the labor is induced.
Thanks for the info KB.
If your heart stops due to a heart attack, don’t you think God willed it? So who are we to do CPR? Same with cancer, wouldn’t that be God’s will? For you to die of cancer?
Oh, I see! No, I believe that God gives man the wisdom for the advances in medicine so that we don’t have to die from these things. I also believe that God gave man the drive to survive! However, if CPR doesn’t work, cancer treatments don’t work…well…you know! It is never God’s will for one to take an innocent life.
Rae,
BTW…In my faith, death (or passing) isn’t a bad thing. (Murder is!) It’s the second death that should be very, very frightening!!!!
@JLM: Thanks for the clarification.
I have other questions, I’m just not sure how to phrase them, but they’re not really that important anyway.
Hmmmm. I’m in the process of reading the Bible right now for the first time, what’s your favorite passage?
Hmmmm. I’m in the process of reading the Bible right now for the first time, what’s your favorite passage?
People always ask me that!!! I always say…”it depends on the day!”
Well, how about today then? What’s your favorite passage today?
I’m in the process of reading Matthew.
Psalm 37:39
But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
Rae,
I’m so glad you’re reading the bible! Just a little advice: Pray for wisdom and understanding of His Word before you start reading.
Matthew is a GREAT place to start!
:)
@JLM: Heh, I’m technically doing it for penance (I went to confession last weekend and my penance to become closer to God and to strengthen my relationship with God is to read the Gospels).
Thanks, I will look up that piece shortly. :)
Heh, I’m technically doing it for penance (I went to confession last weekend and my penance to become closer to God and to strengthen my relationship with God is to read the Gospels).
WHAT DID YOU DO!!! (just kidding!)
Great advice from that priest!
Good night, Rae!
@JLM: It’s a long list…I hadn’t gone to mass in 3 years…I didn’t believe in God for 6-7 years (or at least I seriously doubted his existence). I just started going back to Church a few weeks ago. :)
There’s something so satisfying about watching him leave.
Can January come any sooner?
Posted by: Laura at April 21, 2008 4:43 PM
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lol you know it.
“If the mother is dying, it’s God’s will for her to do so that way. We all will die at one time or another. Most of the time it’s not the way we would LIKE to go.”
Are you also against CPR? Pacemakers? Cancer treatment? Antibiotics?
Posted by: Rae at April 22, 2008 10:06 PM
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damn, are we still fighting against the dark ages? if you think the gods are speaking to you then go right ahead and hang by your toes if you want but don’t expect other people to fall for it or give up medical treatment.
PD: damn, are we still fighting against the dark ages? if you think the gods are speaking to you then go right ahead and hang by your toes if you want but don’t expect other people to fall for it or give up medical treatment.
The immortal Eddie Izzard:
JLM,
I am not trying to justify abortion. When Roe V Wade is overturned things are going to look a lot different aren’t they? There will have to be a heckuva lot more education. It’s a baby. Are abortionists telling mothers that at abortion mills? Are abortionists showing them fetal models? Are abortionists telling them that abortion kills their child and scars them for life?
I was lied to. I had not a clue about fetal development. If I knew then what I know now, I would have NEVER done it.
JLM,
Are we fighting? :O
Me again.
So if abortionists and others in abortion clinics actually told women how far along they were, used ultrasound, fetal models and told women the actual physical, emotional and spiritual risks of abortion then abortion rates would go down and we would ALL rejoice at how RARE they are!! I guess what I am saying is tell women THE TRUTH and surround them with support to carry their babies. Those that still choose abortion are sociopaths.
“StudentForAbortion, America had laws against abortion inbetween 1776 and 1973. Why don’t you go look up what the punishments were for abortion then.
Ridiculous Democrat hack…”
That’s just too far.
Why must I be attacked? I never claimed to be a Democrat (in fact I specifically said I wasn’t) and yat I am accused of being a Democrat hack. I never once claimed an abortion argument (in fact I have stated several times that I am pro-life) and yet I am called StudentforAbortion. This is uncalled for. Are the guidelines on here not enforced?
I thought this was a pro-life blog… I AM PRO-LIFE!!! Can I not have a rational discussion about the issue without being attacked and called names?
tell ya what… How about I start quoting and mentioning other pro-life groups that break the stereotype.
If I bring up Feminists for Life (http://www.feministsforlife.org/), does that make me a feminist?
If I bring up the PLAGAL (http://www.plagal.org/), does that make me gay?
If I bring up Pagans for Life (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8383/) or Atheists and Agnostics for Life (http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html), does that make me a non-believer?
To deny non-Conservatives and non-Christians the pro-life identity is to deny that this issue is really important at all…
Jasper, April 20, 2008 10:56 AM:
then that begs the question, where/who are the non-christian/democrat pro-lifers?
(https://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/04/sunday_funny_6.html#comments)
Atheists and Agnostics for Life
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html
Pagans for Life
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8383/
Pro-life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians
http://www.plagal.org/
Turn the Clock Forward
http://www.turntheclockforward.org/
Democrats for Life
http://www.democratsforlife.org/
Feminists for Life
http://www.feministsforlife.org/
To deny someone the right to the pro-life identity is to deny that the crisis is legitimate enough.
StudentFL: Hi. I think we had a discussion a few weeks back. I didn’t agree with some of your viewpoints, but I believe that you have good-intentions. Things like this happen on the internet. If I had a dime for every time that I was called a “nutter-butter” or a nazi, then I wouldn’t have to work another day in my life.:)
oops! i didnt think the 8:57 post went through, so i re-worded it. sry for the redundancy.
btw, thank you carrie :)
Can I not have a rational discussion about the issue without being attacked and called names?
Hi StudentFL. Maybe, maybe not, ain’t no guarantees, after all. Pretty much, though, you reap as you sow. You know?
Rae, for giving that old, slow driving person the finger, you have to read the entire Bible 1320 times.
@Doug: DARN! Actually, I lumped that in with the “I swear a lot…” bit. :-p
:: laughin’ ::
Oh no, Rae, with the swearing it’s 1390 times…
“Hi StudentFL. Maybe, maybe not, ain’t no guarantees, after all. Pretty much, though, you reap as you sow. You know?”
yes i understand. but I don’t know how that applies to the comments that were directed at me. I was never disrespectful. I never accused anyone of anything that wasn’t true.
Ok Student for Life, point taken -thanks
OK, StudentFL, if you want to play it that way, fine. I’ll take back everything nasty I said about you if you answer the following questions the correct way:
-Do we need more anti-Roe judges on the Supreme Court, or is that not important?
-Should Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Nancy Pelosi all be removed from office, or not?
-Who should pro-life Democrats vote for in the upcoming presidential election?
Answer right and I’ll apologize to you. Answer wrong and I’ll lambast you 10 times worse than I already have. How about it?
JLM,
Are we fighting? :O
Posted by: Carla at April 23, 2008 7:30 AM
No way! Hell would have to freeze over, first! I could never fight with you!!! (you’re way too sweet!)
I am not trying to justify abortion. When Roe V Wade is overturned things are going to look a lot different aren’t they? There will have to be a heckuva lot more education. It’s a baby. Are abortionists telling mothers that at abortion mills? Are abortionists showing them fetal models? Are abortionists telling them that abortion kills their child and scars them for life?
I was lied to. I had not a clue about fetal development. If I knew then what I know now, I would have NEVER done it.
Carla,
I remember a woman, Aimee I believe was her name, that posted here and worked at an abortion mill. She stated that the girls/women DO know it’s a baby that they are aborting, and many abortionists will tell you stories about how afterwards, the girls/women will say, “OMG, I’ve just killed my baby.”
I’m not sure how long ago you had your’s, but I think sex education is ALOT more advanced now than it was even 10 years ago. When I was 12, I had no idea what sex was. Kids today at 9 years old know about it! (sad!)
After millions of abortions, I’m afraid that young kids these days do know that it’s a baby that they are aborting. (especially after PP Aurora being all over the news!) Not to mention, “girls talk!”
All that being said, I totally believe you that you didn’t know and you were lied to. But why did you beat yourself up so bad for so many years when it wasn’t your fault? Again, I believe you, but I’m just curious about this.
So if abortionists and others in abortion clinics actually told women how far along they were, used ultrasound, fetal models and told women the actual physical, emotional and spiritual risks of abortion then abortion rates would go down and we would ALL rejoice at how RARE they are!! I guess what I am saying is tell women THE TRUTH and surround them with support to carry their babies. Those that still choose abortion are sociopaths.
Unfortunately, abortionists are in the business of killing babies for money. Simple as that. It’s how they make their living. If they told them the truth, they’d see their “dollars” walking out the door. If it wasn’t about the money, they would have no problem having pro-life counselors outside of their doors offering these girls/women another “choice”, and they would do the things you stated above if they truly wanted abortion to be “rare”.
With the wealth of information on the internet that young kids access all of the time, and “friends” that these young girls and women have, there’s no excuse today. I think it’s more like, “if I don’t think about it, it’s not really a baby”. People have a tendancy of lying to themselves and believing their own lies. Things have certainly changed these days!
My abortion was 17 years ago. I had no sex ed in school. My parents never talked about it. Live and learn I guess!
I didn’t really begin to realize what I had done until 5 years after the abortion when I miscarried my baby into my hand. I then understood!! God used the miscarriage to help me see. It has taken a long time to heal for me. A long, lonely road. Not sure why. I didn’t happen upon too many people willing to talk about it. I just read a lot, prayed and journaled a lot.
I guess it is really beyond me that someone can completely understand that it’s a baby, be told it’s a baby and still go through with it. Chilling.
Hi Carla!!! that was fast!
I am so sorry you were lied to. That makes me angry as well (at the person(s) who lied to you.
God works in mysterious ways, though! I’m sure He doesn’t hold you responsible, but knew that you would have such a HUGE voice for the unborn! It’s very possible that He used your miscarriage to open your eyes, spread the truth, and use your AWESOME voice!!!! (I’m not sure… I’m not God….but I know He loves you!!!)
I agree, it is so chilling (I can’t wrap my head around it) on how someone can KNOW it’s a baby and still do what they do. I guess in my mind, I think that all girls/women know what they are doing. Perhaps I’m wrong on that one. Thank you for opening MY eyes!
Thank you JLM!
Many of the women I have met through Operation Outcry have had my same experience. Believed what they were told. Cells, tissue, products of conception, a menstrual extraction…??!! Our situations may have been different, but we share the same regret. Have walked the same path to repentance and forgiveness through Christ.
Abortion advocates can now argue that YES it’s a baby but it’s a woman’s RIGHT or CHOICE to kill it. I just can’t track with that.
Please know that I would do anything to go back and make it right. Give my baby girl life. Protect her as a mother should. But I can’t. So instead I will help the 15 year old girl I know who is pregnant. Her boyfriend and parents are pressuring her to abort. So far she is saying NO I AM KEEPING MY BABY! :)
I appreciate you so much, JLM!!
What GOOD has come from legal abortion? How has it HELPED women?
Anyone? Anyone?
Carla,
May God continue to bless you & your tireless work!
I appreciate YOU!!!
:)
While I’m waiting for my answer from StudentFL, I’ll just discuss some of the above.
I consider myself to be a feminist, in the same way that Susan B. Anthony was a feminist. Anthony was for equal pay for equal work, for the right of women to vote and own property, and against abortion. So I am absolutely a feminist, and I am absolutely pro-life.
But that’s besides the point. The important thing to note is that, yes, there are many feminists who are pro-life. There are also pagans who are pro-life, and homosexuals who are pro-life, and atheists who are pro-life, and Democrats who are pro-life.
And yet none of that changes the fact that the leadership of the modern Democratic Party has made that party the most powerful pro-abortion force in the America. Unless you are working to change the leadership of the Democratic Party, it makes little sense for a pro-life Democrat to stay in that party.
Though I must admit, I find the association of pagans, homosexuals, and feminists with the Democratic Party to be interesting, and that’s because people who are pagans, homosexuals, and feminists are so because it is deep part of what makes them who they are. It’s ingrained in their psyche. Being a Democrat is something that exists outside the person and his beliefs; and it’s up to the Democratic Party to accurately reflect that person’s belief system, or else he or she should abandon it.
If I’ve lost you, here’s another way of explaining it.
The following are descriptions that a person might give them him or herself, that describe the person’s heart and soul:
-Atheist, pagan, homosexual, feminist, liberal
And now, the following are organizations which such a person might join because they have a heart and soul that leads them to fit into one of the above types of people:
-American Atheists, a Wiccan club, GLAAD, the National Organization for Women, the Democratic Party
The American Atheists are a zealous anti-God and anti-Christian organization bent on removing all references to religion from the public in this country. Now consider that all of a sudden, the leaders of the American Atheists decided that Christians are cool and there is no need to remove religious references from the public square. Do you think that would fly with the members of American Atheists? Would they just overlook it? Or should they turn to another organization? By the logic of StudentFL, they should just keep on belonging to an organization which is fighting for the exact opposite of what they believe. And why? Just because they’ve belonged to it for a long time?
This is essentially what the Democratic Party leadership has done. They have embraced abortion and have turned the Democratic Party into the most powerful pro-abortion force in the country. And yet pro-life Democrats ‘cling’ to the party, and StudentFL chides me for wondering why. Then he/she goes on to arbitrarily declare that both none of the Republicans or Democrats really care about abortion. Of course, abortion would be illegal tomorrow if the Democratic Party leadership would stop opposing every pro-life effort. But even to that, StudentFL essentially says, so what?
It’s really quite ridiculous.
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