Biden’s big mouth: birth defects vs. embryonic stem cell research
The fear in naming Joe Biden as Barack Obama’s running mate was his notoriously big mouth.
Today the first big cringing oh-no came.
Reports CBS:
John McCain’s campaign expressed outrage over comments made by Joe Biden, who used disabled children as an example to criticize Republicans who do not support stem cell research.
McCain spokesman Ben Porritt took the attack as being directed at GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who has a child with Down syndrome.
“Barack Obama’s running mate sunk to a new low today launching an offensive debate over who cares more about special needs children,” wrote Porritt in a statement. “Playing politics with this issue is disturbing and indicative of a desperate campaign.”
Biden made the comment at a town hall style meeting in Columbia, MO, today, saying, “I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there’s joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect. Well guess what folks? If you care about it, why don’t you support stem cell research?”…
The line received a standing ovation from the crowd of several hundred.
The Obama campaign denied the statement was directed at Palin, saying Biden was pointing out that between the McCain-Palin ticket and Bush Administration there was “not a dime’s worth of a difference” on stem cell research.
In a statement to reporters, Biden’s press secretary, David Wade, wrote “Long story short: couldn’t be farther from being a comment about Gov. Palin.”
Oh, get real. That was an obvious slam.
The missing word, of course: EMBRYONIC stem cell research.
And McCain, much to our chagrin, supports it. So Biden’s statement made absolutely no sense, aside from being disgusting.
If Biden thinks that sort of comment is going to persuade voters rather than repel them, he needs to retake Politics 101.
And, btw, when is the other side going to realize their incessant attempts to compare McCain to Bush aren’t working?
[Photo courtesy of WBT]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Joe and BO are joined at the lip!
May their lips be loose and may they be loosed.
Biden: “”I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there’s joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect. Well guess what folks? If you care about it, why don’t you support stem cell research?” “
Mc’Cane’ Campaign” “McCain spokesman Ben Porritt took the attack as being directed at GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, who has a child with Down syndrome.
“Barack Obama’s running mate sunk to a new low today launching an offensive debate over who cares more about special needs children,” wrote Porritt in a statement. “Playing politics with this issue is disturbing and indicative of a desperate campaign.” “
Jill: “… Oh, get real. That was an obvious slam.”
SG: Awaiting “Olie’s Course” entitled “You Can’t Infer Anything” … boy are Porritt and Jill ever going to get it!
Snerd
p.s. Off to work … I can not pay myself to stay home … at public expense
Speaking of nominees’ (R)ash statements, is Mc’Cane’ still claiming Sarah sold that jet on E-Bay for a profit?
Snerd
From todays Wall Street Journal
“Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin’s hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background.”
Sounds more like a gold rush, than a feedin frenzy.
Hey all you upper oners, here is your opportunity
to make em pay. This posse is not on a sightseeing tour. They are there to trash your governor, her family, her home town and your state.
These are the loonies who do not want you to be able to develop your own natural resouces. Introduce them to the Alaskan wildlife. Let em get up close and personal with an Alaskan brown or bull moose.
This is a blessing. Finally the MSM will expose the difference between embryonic stem cell research and adult stem cell research! Maybe McCain will wake up to the facts along with the rest of the country.
kbhvac,
Very funny! :)
‘Embryonic stem cell’ research has become a moot point. Researchers have now developed methods to manipulate other cells to do what they wanted from ’embryonic stem cells’
Speaking of (R)ash statements … Is Sarah still claiming she was never for the Bridge to Nowhere?
Or that her adamant opposition to Pork Barrewl Politics is to the IDEA of pork barrelin’, but not against keepin’ the ACTUAL PORK.
Since she keep the $ for the Bridge to Nowhere anyway, shouldn’t it be called the 1/4 million $ … No Bridge to Nowhere … ?
Snerd
Since Mc Cain brags he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time, there is no need for anyone to “compare him to Bush”. He IS Bush.
McCain of 2008 is about as much a “maverick” as the little dog Paris Hilton carries in her purse. Except the lobbyists are holding the purse with McCain in it.
LTL (livin to love, lovin to live)
Did you have your DNA analyzed yet? Do you know what species you have always been?
SG: See! That’s my point.
It doesn’t matter wants true. Because of Mc’Cane’s’ poor judgment in NOT vetting “anti-pork, pork-barrelin’, Palin”, now the MSM are goin’ to be fallin’ all over one another trying to dig stuff up … It’s their new mission.
Really, you have to ask yourself, what in gawds name was he doing all them months when Clinton and Obama were goin’ at it … NAPPING!
Judgment keeps comin’ up … and it aint Good Judgement!
Snerd
p.s. Is Sarah still claimin’ she was always against the bridge to nowhere?
Biden says that people who are against stem cell research are against sick children, but who is he talking about? McCain and Palin support stem cell research.
If he’s talking specifically about stem cell research which destroys human embryos, then he should take on his own church first – the Catholic Church has been by far the loudest voice in opposition to human embryo research. C’mon, Biden – I dare you. Say that your own Catholic Church hates sick children.
Hey Snerd, when is the MSM going to start “wetting” Obama?
The bridge again …
“Maybe”, it should be,
the No Bridge, to Nowhere … but ALL the M-O-N-E-Y …. Bridge?
Snerd
p.s. Does Sarah still think Freddie and Fannie should be downsized and privatized?
John-
he never would, they don’t (that much is obvious), but he very well could say they refuse to follow all routes that could lead to a possible cure or improvement in quality of life and be correct.
Lawendowski: Hey Snerd, when is the MSM going to start “wetting” Obama?
SG: They ‘wetted’ ‘im fir 19 months … Sarah the anti-pork barrelin’, p(R)o-pork, Palin is new and exciting … (R)emember?
Oh and the Mc’Cane’ Judgment thingy …
Snerd
Maybe”, it should be, the No Bridge, to Nowhere … but ALL the M-O-N-E-Y …. Bridge?
From what I’ve read, only about 5% of the eventual money was kept. When Gov. Palin found out how much money it would really cost, she (and Congress) killed it. Now that’s state and federal government working together.
When is the media going to report about Michelle Obama working for a hospital, to keep poor black people out of the emergency ward (in a program managed by David Axelrod’s company). She got a huge raise and the hospital got a lot more money — from federal government.
Media? Are you out there about the pork? Soooo-eeeee!
kbhvac: “Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin’s hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background.”
SG: Well they are a bit late. The Mc’Cane’ campaign has had a legion of lawyers up there tryin’ to stall the investigation into t(R)oopergate. Them (D)z will have to take all the crappy rooms …
Anywayz …. Seems as if there might be a pattern developing outta all the Sarah firing, “maybe”.
Snerd
What is all this goin’ to do to the Maverick brand, I wonder?
Hey Dan, stop spinning, will you? You and I know that Biden and friends aren’t talking like that.
I want your Democrat leaders to stop being such yellow-spined chicken-turds. Either the opposition of human embryo research means that you HATE CHILDREN, or it doesn’t mean that. It can’t be BOTH. It can’t mean one thing when you’re talking about Republicans and another thing when you’re talking about Catholics.
If Joe Biden and all of the other liberals who agree with him want to use opposition to ESCR to attack Republicans as child haters, then he and the rest of them should also stop being UTTER COWARDS and stand up and declare their firm belief that the Catholic Church HATES SICK CHILDREN.
Arlen: From what I’ve read, only about 5% of the eventual money was kept.
SG: From what I read, it was 100% kept … Pork, Barrel and all
Snerd
Biden is a joke!
And often I can’t help but think of Biden’s actions and gaffes as intentional. As if he is playing a part. Like some sort of political actor that is part of a big play broadcast nationwide.
John-
nowhere in that statement did he say Republicans “hated children” he implied they didnt care enough, or at least as much as the Democratic party.
And if he had to he could argue the church should explore its opinion on that matter so they can do everything in their power to help those sick children they care for.
Snerd, I’m sure you could point to something in anyone’s life as the “REASON” they were fired that had absolutely nothing to do with the actual reason.
Also, it’s a bit disingenous to bring out “all” of the people who were fired without contrasting the many, many people who worked under Gov. Palin who kept their jobs. It paints an unbalanced picture. Leaders have to make decisions about the people they employ. Honestly I’m glad to see people actually getting fired. Too often in government jobs, incompitance is able to go unpunished because employeers fear political ramifications of fireing unproductive workers. I’m glad to see someone who isn’t afraid to stand up to this.
It hurts everyone when workers do not have to perform in order to keep their jobs.
Yeah Dan, help sick children by killing other children. Makes perfect sense…
Sarah Palin’s first act as President would be to downsize the funding for, and p(R)ivatize, Freddie and Fannie ….
Two economic ‘geniusez’ on the (R) ticket, Eh!?
Snerd
p.s. Is that true the Feds had to take over John Mc’Cane’s son’s bank?
Just to give a frame of reference to this stuff about “McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time”, how can we find out the percentage rate of Biden voting with Bush? I’ll bet it turns out to be something like 89%.
Obviously, it would be difficult to compare Obama’s voting record with Bush’s because he was only in the Senate for about two minutes before he started on his “World Tour to Commandeer the POTUS and Rule the Earth”. I wonder how many roadies he has? Groupies…?
Lauren-
helping children by making use of embryos that literally end up in the trash and do nothing, neither becoming a life nor aiding in anyone else’s life. Seems like an utter and complete waste in all respects
What? The Dems care for sick children? Oh get real…Obaminator doesn’t even want abortion survivors to live…let alone care for them.
PJ, If I remember correctly Obama voted with Bush about 50% of the time, and voted with his own party 97% of the time.
Biden voted w/ his party about 96.6% of the time, so I’m guessing that will put his votes w/ Bush about the same as Obama…possibly a bit higher because he was in office longer and voted for somethings that Obama did not vote for and would have (supposedly) voted against.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/b000444/
Dan, you’re right..we should also do deadly experiments on coma patients with little hope for recovery. I mean, they’re just laying there doing nothing, might as well use them for science!
The embryos are already “lifes” just ones that are being held in horrible stasis. Killing them is not the answer. I support embryonic adoption.
Dan, surely you realize that the Catholic Church opposes IVF? And that those “spare embryos” left from IVF are just one of the reasons why the Catholic Church opposes it?
You’re essentially saying that you want Catholics, who oppose IVF, to pay for research to be done on embryos “left over” from IVF… all because you’re too much of a cheap-ass to pay for the research yourself. If you guys would put all of your money into stem cell research instead of throwing it away on that loser Obama, you could open your own labs and do your own research. But that would be a “pro-choice” thing to do.
Lauren: Honestly I’m glad to see people actually getting fired. Too often in government jobs, incompitance is able to go unpunished because employeers fear political ramifications of fireing unproductive workers. I’m glad to see someone who isn’t afraid to stand up to this. It hurts everyone when workers do not have to perform in order to keep their jobs.
SG: Careful, Olie will get ‘cha for all them assumptions that Firings = Improved Efficiency
The issue is whether Sarah Abused her Power in Public office for personal reasons in firing Monegan.
Like a … Illegal is not good for an unvetted V.P. … Well not good for those who think laws ‘is’ important
Snerd
Lauren: PJ, If I remember correctly Obama voted with Bush about 50% of the time, and voted with his own party 97% of the time. Biden voted w/ his party about 96.6% of the time, so I’m guessing that will put his votes w/ Bush about the same as Obama…possibly a bit higher because he was in office longer and voted for somethings that Obama did not vote for and would have (supposedly) voted against.
SG: Yah! But ONLY Mc’Cane’ is running against his party.
It’s tough for Mc’Cane’ to vote with “W” 90% of the time, say he and “W” agree on all major policy issues, and then to say … I aint no “W” … It’s like, contradictory
It does make Obama’s claim that Mc’Cane’ is Four More Years of “W”, seem more rational
Snerd
Posted by: Lauren at September 9, 2008 3:55 PM
PJ, If I remember correctly Obama voted with Bush about 50% of the time, and voted with his own party 97% of the time.
Biden voted w/ his party about 96.6% of the time, so I’m guessing that will put his votes w/ Bush about the same as Obama…possibly a bit higher because he was in office longer and voted for somethings that Obama did not vote for and would have (supposedly) voted against.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/b000444/
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Those are interesting numbers. Although the statistics don’t support my original assertion that the “90% with Bush” is a false issue, they DO support the Maverick status of John McCain vs. the “vote the party line 97% of the time” Obama/Biden.
The McCain/Palin ticket OWNS the labels
“EXPERIENCE”
“CHANGE”
“MAVERICK”
“REFORM”
and has the voting record and personal history to prove it.
PJ: Those are interesting numbers. Although the statistics don’t support my original assertion that the “90% with Bush” is a false issue, they DO support the Maverick status of John McCain vs. the “vote the party line 97% of the time” Obama/Biden.
SG: See PJ, Biden likes his party … The Maverick doesn’t. Okay he did like it in the primaries. In fact he liked it a whole lot. You know that statement, “I agree with “W” on all the major issues”
Now that the b(R)and is bad … Like he would’t even let “W” and Cheney come to the convention – so tribute Eh!? … So he has to be the Change Maverick now.
Only he’s got a ‘lille problem’ … His votin’ (R)ecord suggests he 90% NOT the Maverick.
Snerd
NoBama loves to say that John McCain “doesn’t get it”.
Well, Sarah gets it. She’s as sharp as a tack.
GO SARAH!!
John-
first of all, I sadly am unable to donate to Obama anytime soon. I’m gunna have rent, bills, food costs, etc to pay next week. I actually cannot spend a dime on anything but living for the next 9 months. Real world here I come, at least for the next 9 months.
Second, I do not have the qualifications, knowledge, etc to do such things, nor do I really have an academic interest in it.
As for the comment about coma patients- there is a huge difference between people in a coma and those embryos which are literally being thrown into the trash.
John- I realize the RCC opposes IVF and I personally think that also is unnecessary, if two people want to be parents, and the mother wants to give birth and raise a child but is unable to any other way she should be guiltlessly be able to like those who are able to naturally conceive.
Lauren-
answer or not it IS what is happening. And there are not enough people willing to adopt living breathing children, even fewer are going to be willing to adopt embryos pay upkeep costs, etc. Even if they do, they eventually end up in the same predicament and have to put the extras up yet again. It’s an endless cycle that will constantly back up and could more easily lend itself to confusion, high costs, etc and would, in my view, inevitably fail all together and they would eventually no longer viable between the constant freezing/defrosting and many would end up tossed out in any case. If that is the case, that they literally will be ending up in a bag of hazardous waste, why not use them (after exhausting all other routes if you wish, assuming this works) to try and help those who are living with terminal/serious ailments?
Snerd,
Nobama shows he is not only a hypocrite with his own voting record, he is an absolute coward for voting present 130 times in the Illinois Senate.
He is the last one who should be talking about more of the same. He voted party lines 97% of the time with a Congress who has a 9% approval rating.
This man definitely is uniting the country and bringing them together.
Too bad for him we are uniting for the McCain/Palin ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes you have to watch what you wish for!!!
PJ … EXPERIENCE and CHANGE
The (R)z realized that had a lille problem with that too, once the got Sarah the Maverick …
See EXPERIENCE means knowing the traditional wayz of doin’ things. CHANGE is the rejection of that concept.
Like you, Mc’Cane’ didn’t want ta have to give up the EXPERIENCE thing either, but that contradiction was ‘a bridge too far’, even for the MSM to let him get away with.
A bit of bad luck for ole John …
Snerd
Snerd, Olie’s my husband, and you’re right he probably *will* get me for muddled logic ;)
You’re right fireing an employee does not necessarally improve work conditions/ productivity, but the ability to fire does improve overall productivity.
My point is that you can not point out that Gov. Palin fired x number of employees and thus infer that she fired an exorbinant number of employees for unjust reasons. Nor can you point to certain familial issues of the fired parties and say that those issues are the reason that the fireing occured.
Dan, see this is where you’re mistaken. The goal of embryonic adoption is to adopt all of the embryos currantly in storage. After these children are adopted, then the program will switch to matching IVF patients w/ adoptive IVF parents so that no new embryos will be placed in prolonged storage.
The people who use embryo adoption and the agency that works with these families state as their mission that they are trying to get these children out of storage, and into loving homes.
LTL, 3:21p, stated: “Since Mc Cain brags he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time, there is no need for anyone to “compare him to Bush”. He IS Bush.”
As Stephanapoulos pointed out Sunday, Obama voted with Dems 97% of the time as US Senator. So much for his claim of change.
What does McCain care… his VP never fully funded special education, even with the massive coffer of money that Alaska has. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on in this matter. Just a pathetic attempt at glory.
Lauren: My point is that you can not point out that Gov. Palin fired x number of employees and thus infer that she fired an exorbinant number of employees for unjust reasons. Nor can you point to certain familial issues of the fired parties and say that those issues are the reason that the fireing occured.
SG: Ohhh that’s quite cute … small world, isn’t it? He seems a decent guy, by the way. Still a little too committed to proving Hume’s point about infers though …
Sarah:
The point isn’t so much what I am inferring, it what is coming out as a result of MSM ‘vetting’ … A process Mc’Cane’ didn’t do very well and so it is coming back to haunt him now, I think. What was he doing all them months over the summer?
Mc’Cane’ did energize a campaign, that was pretty dead without Palin. A good political move, therefore by Mc’Cane’. However, the selection, or more to the point, the way the selection was made lays waste to his claim of, ‘Country first, Politics second’, in the eyes of many.
If the MSM vetting doesn’t go well (and if they are NOT able to stop the investigation into t(R)oopergate), the issue of Mc’Cane’s JUDGMENT as well as Sarah’s, will make things difficult for Mc’Cane’ in ’08.
However, there is a pattern arising out of Sarah firing people for personal reasons. If the pattern is proven, or if it has substantive ‘appearance’ of validity, Petulance and Poor Judgment with be the consequently result.
Now the firings may have all be for good reason, but if so, why is Sarah trying to stall the bipartisan investigation of t(R)oopergate, ’til after the election?
Again … It don’t look too good!
Snerd
Obama is change when the republicans are dragging their feet. Voting 97% of time on the right side of issues is better than voting 100% of time with lobbyists.
“his VP never fully funded special education, even with the massive coffer of money that Alaska has”
Well first of all she DID raise funding for Special Ed.
But I find it very interesting that if she supposedly *doesn’t* fund something it’s OMG SHE’S EVIL AND DOESN’T CARE, and if she *does* fund something it’s OMG SHE’S A PORKER…LOOK AT WHAT SHE SPENT MONEY ON!”
What’s that phrase…damned if you do, damned if you dont…
“Voting 97% of time on the right side of issues”
As someone mentioned before…9% of America agrees with you!
Jill, Obama is not running against his own party, he is joining with his party to change the results of 8 years of Bush.
McCain claims he is a “maverick” and not like Bush, and his voting with Bush 90% of the time proves that claim is a fraud.
Your statement that Obama does not represent change would be true only if Obama had voted with the Republicans and Bush 90% of the time.
Jill: As Stephanapoulos pointed out Sunday, Obama voted with Dems 97% of the time as US Senator. So much for his claim of change.
SG: Well not a very good (R)-Goo-ment, Jill.
See, (R)z controlled all three branches of government. They got to do what they wanted. What we have today is what the (R)z gave us. And as Polls show, a vast majority think that’s not very good.
Jill, even Mc’Cane’ realizes that. That’s why he’s trying to run away from his party and wouldn’t let “W” or Dick come to the Convention Party or even give them a tribute … Ouch!
Now (D)z didn’t have control of government, didn’t like what “W” was doing. They said so and voted against “W”.
So when (D)z say we’ll do it differently, they have more credibility, as Change Agents. If you voted with the (D)z a lot, then you have credibility as a Change Agent.
That’s where votin’ with your party hurts John and helps Obama …
Snerd
Posted by: Snerd Gronk at September 9, 2008 4:25 PM
PJ … EXPERIENCE and CHANGE
The (R)z realized that had a lille problem with that too, once the got Sarah the Maverick …
See EXPERIENCE means knowing the traditional wayz of doin’ things. CHANGE is the rejection of that concept.
Like you, Mc’Cane’ didn’t want ta have to give up the EXPERIENCE thing either, but that contradiction was ‘a bridge too far’, even for the MSM to let him get away with.
A bit of bad luck for ole John …
Snerd
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Snerd, I don’t define EXPERIENCE the way you do. I define experience as “having been involved in the process for many years, knowing how it works, what’s wrong with it, and how to go about fixing it in a way that actually gets results”.
As an aside, your insistence on the perpetual use of snippy little plays on words in the candidates’ names and the ridiculous and obsessive use of (R) and (D) throughout your posts is not only distracting from your “arguments”, it is most likely the only impetus one would need to scroll right past them.
’tis why I don’t consistently refer to the Dem ticket as “NObama bin Biden” even though I LOVE that one (can’t take credit for it though) and it and makes me giggle every time.
Lauren: “Voting 97% of time on the right side of issues”. As someone mentioned before…9% of America agrees with you!
SG: Lauren … I won’t show that post to Olie.
There is an argument that the (D)z were given the vote in ’06 to stop what “W” was doing, the “W”a(R) and all. The fact they turned out to be rather spinless, turned the voters against them. Ergo the poor rating for Congress.
“Heading in the wrong direction” polls help substantiate this assessment of Congress’s low approval …
Snerd
And Obama voted 97% of the time with the spineless congress.
Well, I guess that would be when he wasn’t voting the even more spineless “present” in the IL senate.
LTL said:
“Since Mc Cain brags he has voted with Bush over 90% of the time, there is no need for anyone to “compare him to Bush”. He IS Bush.”
FYI – MOST OF THE SENATE HAS VOTED 90% OF THE TIME WITH BUSH SINCE MOST OF THE VOTES IN THE SENATE PASS UNANIMOUSLY OR CLOSE TO UNANIMOUSLY.
If Obama voted just 70% of the time with Bush would that be enough to label him as more of the same??
****UPDATE****
Obama voted with Bush about 40% of the time. That is what a tripical Democrat voted with Bush on. And Obama voted with his fellow Democrats 95% of the time.
PJ: Snerd, I don’t define EXPERIENCE the way you do. I define experience as “having been involved in the process for many years, knowing how it works, what’s wrong with it, and how to go about fixing it in a way that actually gets results”.
SG: Good point. The question is what kind of experience.
Things aren’t good for the nation, as a result of their EXPERIENCE of “W”. Mc’Cane’ supported him 90% of the time. That’s another element of EXPERIENCE, our experience of what John did.
It tells people that the Mavericks conversion from 90% (R), is rather resent … since after the primaries, where he and “W” agreed on all major issues – 100% (R) John, at that time. That’s another aspect of EXPERIENCE, again our experience of John the 90 to 100% (R).
So unless you define EXPERIENCE so that none of John’s EXPERIENCE is included, then you got a lille problem … and so does the Maverick
Snerd
What does “voted 90% of the time with Bush” mean? I wasn’t aware that Bush voted in Congress. If you mean when Bush wanted funding for the war that McCain voted “yes” 90% of the time then okay. I don’t think McCain has made a secret of the fact that he wants America to win the war. And personally I’d like the soldiers over there safe and to have the equipment they need.
I’d just like to remind you that the dems have controlled Congress for sometime now and not a thing has been accomplished.
EZZzz: Obama voted with Bush about 40% of the time. That is what a tripical Democrat voted with Bush on. And Obama voted with his fellow Democrats 95% of the time.
SG: That’s a good thing for Obama …. !
(R)z gave us this mess. (D)z aren’t (R)z. They are different.
So the argument is, if you are the same, you are responsible for the mess. If you are different then you are an Agent for Change.
Snerd
p.s. What’s a ‘tripical’ Democrat?
The actual number is 88%, but let’s look at what caused McCain to vote against party lines.
McCain voted FOR Vote 80: S CON RES 70: Boxer Amdt. No. 4379; To facilitate coverage of pregnant women in SCHIP.
Voted FOR Vote 75: On the Motion: Motion to Waive C.B.A. DeMint Amdt No. 4347; To establish an earmark moratorium for fiscal year 2009. (actually, both dems and repubs, were against this…)
Voted FOR Vote 54: S CON RES 70: Dorgan Amdt. No. 4198; To increase the Indian Health Service by $1 billion in FY 2009
Voted FOR Vote 303: H R 976: Hutchison Amdt No. 2620; To increase access to health insurance for low-income children based on actual need, as adjusted for cost-of-living.
Voted AGAINST Vote 301: H R 976: Vitter Amdt. No. 2596 as Modified; To require individuals who are eligible for SCHIP and employer-sponsored coverage to use the employer-sponsored coverage instead of SCHIP.
Voted AGAINST Vote 62: S 4: Motion to Table Obama Amdt. No. 338; To require consideration of high-risk qualifying criteria in allocating funds under the State Homeland Security Grant Program.
(Which I mention only because it shows willingness to view Obama’s amdt., clearly across party lines)
Voted FOR Vote 18: S 1: Lieberman Amdt No. 30; To establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity. (both parties were against this)
I could go on, but clearly he stood up to issues he viewed as important, even when NO ONE agreed with him, and showed the ability to work across the table.
Also, really ironically, we all know that McCain voted FOR expanding ESCR. Perhaps Biden knew this and is trying to make in an issue for Pro-life voters?
Now the firings may have all be for good reason, but if so, why is Sarah trying to stall the bipartisan investigation of t(R)oopergate, ’til after the election?
Again … It don’t look too good!
Snerd
Posted by: Snerd Gronk at September 9, 2008 4:47 PM
You continue to believe the nonsense that is spewed from the biased mainstream media that’s your problem. Unfortunatley for you, it doesn’t look too good for Nobama, but you go ahead and continue to live in your fantasy world.
Speaking of firings….how many people did Hillary unfairly dismiss when she entered the White House?
Travelgate anyone?
Kris: What does “voted 90% of the time with Bush” mean? … If you mean when Bush wanted funding for the war that McCain voted “yes” 90% of the time then okay.
SG: Ahhh …. ‘tripically, they vote on a few more issues than that … Sheesh!
Kris: I’d just like to remind you that the dems have controlled Congress for sometime now and not a thing has been accomplished.
SG: Yes … That veto proof majority is workin’ real well for them. Now if we just learned that the (R) filibustered all the time ….
Kris: … personally I’d like the soldiers over there safe and to have the equipment they need.
SG: You must have forgotten the “W”a(R) on the cheap and the lack of armour for the soldiers in Iraq for years … You must not remember, ‘You go to war with the army you have’ …? And more to the point, you don’t want ta be bringin’ “under armoured” up … The public seems to have forgotten that “W”a(R) event for the moment. In fact it might even remind them of Mc’Cane’ shopping in body armour, guarded by 100 troops and helicopters over head sayin’, “It’s p(R)efectly safe …”
Snerd
Snerd, judging from your posts, you really should be a Palin supporter. As she said at the RNC, she is an advocate for all people with special needs.
“As an aside, your insistence on the perpetual use of snippy little plays on words in the candidates’ names and the ridiculous and obsessive use of (R) and (D) throughout your posts is not only distracting from your “arguments”, it is most likely the only impetus one would need to scroll right past them.”
Point well taken, PJMama.
Snerd:
It’s been brought to your attention more than once, so this is the final request.
Refrain from using the capitals in () or the post risks being deleted.
(C)arder
Sandy: Speaking of firings….how many people did Hillary unfairly dismiss when she entered the White House? Travelgate anyone?
SG: No idea and I couldn’t care, right now.
Right now, Hillary isn’t running as an unvetted V.P. potentially a very frail heart beat away from the presidency.
Sarah is.
And while her selection has been good politics, to date … And to date, ‘(R)eady-for-Command’, Sarah is having to be held in a ‘Cone-of-Silence’, away from the MSM … Apparently because she’s toooooo ready, or some such nonsense.
If your Mc’Cane’ had vetted her better, rather than make a last minute grab, we all wouldn’t be going through ‘Vetting by the MSM’. But that’s your impulsive John.
No one has even ventured to say what he was doin’ all them months Obama and Hillary were goin’ at it. What in gawds name was he doin’ all that time anyway? … Must be his EXPERIENCE, or somethin’ ….Eh!?
Again John’ JUDGMENT gets called in to question, whenever you look at his campaign
Snerd
Lewdandowski: Snerd, judging from your posts, you really should be a Palin supporter. As she said at the RNC, she is an advocate for all people with special needs.
SG: I see you’ve given up trying to make a case and gone straight to innuendo …
Anywayz … I thought all God’s children we equal?
Snerd
Here’s a good interview for you to listen to, Snerd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpBXYcgXV8M
Leftist Mike Gravel talking about how great Sarah Palin is. I love it!
Janet,
Do you really think Senator McCain is just misinformed about
embryonic stem cell research? Or is it more likely that
someone who believes that states should decide whether
abortionists can continue carrying out their deadly trade,
just isn’t interested in protecting all innocent children?
Snerd, I love how you just throw out “she wasn’t vetted!” without any evidence.
Have you thought that McCain might have known about all of these non-issues and decided that she was still the best person for the job?
(S)Nerd, typically I skip your posts because well, they’re just silly. But since you responded to mine I’ll indulge you.
AGAIN, Bush doesn’t VOTE IN CONGRESS. Dems shouldn’t need a veto proof majority. If the policies are good enough Repubs would be willing to vote for them. Hmmmm, I think the most recent filibuster was because the Dems PROMISED (as if it’s possible for them to keep) that they would approve a certain number of judges which, of course, they haven’t.
I can’t even address your last paragraph because it makes no sense. Is it possible for you to write with any kind of grammatical sense?
(C)arder: Refrain from using the capitals in () or the post risks being deleted.
SG: Might I ask a couple of questions for clarification?
1. What is the purpose of threatening censorship?
(a) Is it that my posts are too annoying? If so couldn’t one just scroll on by?
(b) Is it that you feel the content is very important, and you want to make the posts more easily read?
(c) Contradictory positions are not welcome, therefore censorship is preferable?
(d) Other
2. What is the actual offense with capital letters within ()? Aren’t they the ‘official’ shorthand the parties use to identify themselves?
3. This third question is as a result of the Humian Literalism Schoolin’ from Olie, which I have received … Would lower case letters within () be okay?
4. Could you tell me which of these “Don’tz” I am transgressing on?
Do Not’s
* Blasphemy will not be tolerated.
* Do not swear or slander others.
* Do not violate another’s [sic] privacy.
* Do not threaten fellow commenters [sic] or anyone else.
* Do not write inflammatory comments just to wind people up.
* Do not post personal/racial or ethnic/gender-based insults or slurs.
* Do not post addresses or personal information about yourself or others.
Snerd
Good grief. Who’s the trolling snerd?
Snerd, as for the “cone of silence,” you have no idea what’s about to hit.
Where’s Sarah going to be tomorrow and Friday, snerd? Who’s going to be with her? With what limits imposed?
If yours was an inquiring mind, you might want to know.
My bad. Day after tomorrow and Friday.
Obama is done. He just ended his campaign:
http://pawatercooler.com/?p=6012
Rasqal: If yours was an inquiring mind, you might want to know.
SG: I am curious. She’s coming outta her ‘Cone-or-Silence’ and in a press conference going to be fielding questions from the press, with followups allowed? … and with no Gannons of Guckerts?
I am curious …
Snerd
They’ve produced nothing but tumors, tremors, and dead lab rats, and act as if they’re making the blind to see and the lame to walk.
Which IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE WITH ADULT STEM CELLS.
So… let me get this straight:
The people who are backing actual, successful research that has led to treatments are the anti-science monsters who want to leave the sick and the crippled to languish.
While the people who are gung-ho for something that doesn’t work are champions of science, fighting to find cures.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Gotcha.
Kris: Dems shouldn’t need a veto proof majority. If the policies are good enough Repubs would be willing to vote for them.
SG: So … If the ‘D’z (please note the attempt at self-censorship, until (C)arder answers the questions posed), offered ‘R’ policies, then there’d be no problem … That’s what Karl Rove thought as well when he tried to establish ‘Single Party Rule’ in the USA.
I’ve often thought this a curiously limiting concept of Democracy, particularly when y’all are trying to spread it around the world.
Kris: Hmmmm, I think the most recent filibuster was because
SG: So you admit that the ‘R’z are filibustering in the … what do the ‘R’z call it again … Oh yes, “The Do-Nothing Congress” … Curious that, too!
Snerd
“McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time”, how can we find out the percentage rate of Biden voting with Bush? I’ll bet it turns out to be something like 89%.
Well, pjmama, what it comes down to is that the vast majority of votes are procedural votes: To open debate; to close debate; to recognize the 75th wedding anniversary of Walter and Miriam Piedman of Frog Knot, Arkansas; to observe National Pys Ed Teacher Appreciation Day, etc.
You can pick any two Senators at random and they’ll have voted in synch the vast majority of the time for this reason alone.
Snerd, don’t you think it’s interesting that Obama implied that Sarah Palin is a pig and that she stinks like a rotting fish? That’s going to play over well with women, isn’t it?
The biggest oh-no is McCain and his role in the Keating 5. In light of the crashing economy one who was involved in such a monumental scandal should not be trusted. Nor should his flip-flopping sidekick, Palin Comparison
The choice is between Alaskan Barbie, so not ready for primetime that her handlers won’t let her speak save for situations where McCain can put his hand up her ass and make her utter talking points –
or
A real genuine person, foibles and all who has knowlege, experience and credibility. No hand up-the-butt required.
Lauren – the education of kids is not pork. A bridge to nowhere is. If you’re looking to make the last stand for her dignity the absence of her support for pork-barrel, I’m afraid you have picked the wrong battle. She sold out the dignity of herself and her children a long time ago. It would be foolish to let her sell out the dignity of this country as well.
John L: Snerd, don’t you think it’s interesting that Obama implied that Sarah Palin is a pig and that she stinks like a rotting fish? That’s going to play over well with women, isn’t it? (My emphasis, Snerd)
SG: John, this may or may not be above my pay grade … we are not to reveal personal info like that on this site. However, I don’t think Obama said exactly that. In fact I think you statements suggest you’ve got some anger issues …
Snerd
“Alaskan Barbie” Oh no, the left’s not sexist at all… Yo La, we keep debunking everything that you bring up, but just keep trying.
I actually saw an interview with Gov. Palin that was held prior to her VP nod, and she answered tough questions without the help of anyone.
Posted by: Snerd Gronk at September 9, 2008 6:49 PM
Again, please write in a grammatically correct manner and your posts will make more sense.
Do I admit the Repubs are filibustering? Uh, yes. Just like the Dems have done. Do we REALLY need to go over this? All’s fair in love and politics. Why do I have to “admit” it? I thought it was common knowledge.
Do you even KNOW how they wanted to fund SCHIP? That was just poor policy from the get go. Regardless of your opinion for or again universal healthcare, SCHIP wasn’t going to work based on pure funding reasons. A point the Dems wanted to sweep under the rug while claiming the “big, bad, Republicans” didn’t want to help their fellow man. You’d THINK the Dems would have SOME pride, but they prefer to just lie.
SG: I pointed out the ‘R’z are filibustering in the Congress, while calling it a do nothing Congress, and you responded …
Kris: … All’s fair in love and politics. Why do I have to “admit” it? I thought it was common knowledge.
SG: You then say the ‘D’z portrayed the ‘R’z as bad over SCHIP, but didn’t want to acknowledge funding issues. Referencing that you say …
Kris: A point the Dems wanted to sweep under the rug while claiming the “big, bad, Republicans” didn’t want to help their fellow man. You’d THINK the Dems would have SOME pride, but they prefer to just lie.
SG: Weren’t you just saying all’s fair when ‘R’z misrepresent … ?
Does contradiction have any meaning in your ‘conceptual’ world? Or contradiction only applies within a sentence (if at all) …. not between sentences!?
Snerd
Right now, Hillary isn’t running as an unvetted V.P. potentially a very frail heart beat away from the presidency.
Snerd,
Betcha you wished she was!!
Sorry,
Betcha wished she was!!
Sandy: Right now, Hillary isn’t running as an unvetted V.P. potentially a very frail heart beat away from the presidency.
Snerd,
Betcha you wished she was!!
SG: I think Obama is the most exciting candidate since JFK and RFK.
Secondly, I think Hillary will defend her turf as the most accomplished woman in American politics today and defend her position amongst women. I do not think she’ll cede it to an unvetted, not-ready-for-prime-time, Sarah. Hillary has had to handle much more talented women before.
Snerd
Snerdley,
If we allowed, even argued, for the likes of Laura, SoMG, and others to stay on board the board, then it stands to reason it’s not about having an opposing view.
The views are welcome. The distracting
(L)etters and rambling get in the way of your argument. Sure, we could scroll through the posts, but that would undercut whatever your point was in the first place.
We want to be able to follow you, even if it is ludicrous. Even our prolife Yllas had to be reminded more than once to make an attempt at making sense (and in his case, cut the condescension).
The choice is yours to make. If you do not agree, you are welcome to take it up with Jill, whose final decision I will respect.
“Oh, get real. That was an obvious slam. The missing word, of course: EMBRYONIC stem cell research.”
Let me see if I have this tenuous tripe straight. Invoking a republican mixed message about concern for disabled children and a opposition to support for stem cell research somehow obviously slam’s Palin n’ kid?
Is it inherently insulting to down syndrome parents that someone to point out reality; that embryonic stem cell research could potentially treat, cure, or prevent such disabilities?
You people are pathetic if this is the best you can do.
prevent disabilities? You mean like how the Nazis did experiments and exterminated the disabled?
ESCR will not cure anyone. Adult Stem Cells are already helping people. ‘Nough Said.
Posted by: Snerd Gronk at September 9, 2008 7:49 PM
I’M not complaining that the Dems represented the Repubs that way. You misunderstand. It’s just the way politics play out.
I trust the American people to see what’s really happening. A point that is reinforced by the most recent polls. (And Obama’s obvious sexism against Palin.)
“Snerd, don’t you think it’s interesting that Obama implied that Sarah Palin is a pig and that she stinks like a rotting fish?”
Semantically, you’ve made it a tougher insult to pin on him.
The lipstick parallel is clear enough, but where’s the fish thing come in?
Simple enough. The parallelism refers to the two candidates — Palin the pig, and McCain the “old fish.”
Don’t mangle a parallel Obama clearly intended to make.
I think you just may have it right, Anonymous – Obama called McCain an old fish and Palin a pig. When you look at it that way, it’s almost certain that he did it intentionally.
Whoops. That “anonymous” was me.
Of course Obama was intentional in his calling Palin a pig and McCain a fish….
He’s losing, he’s scared spitless, and the plans for his coronation are…stick a fork in them, they’re done!
He and his supporters are going to throw everything and I mean everything at the wall and hope something sticks.
But, nothing will.
The more they open their mouths, the more bile that escapes, the more bile, the better the McCain/Palin ticket does.
Keep it up leftists. Doesn’t seem like any of them have the brains God gave geese as they continue to insist on shooting themselves in the foot.
Foot in mouth disease is incurable.
(clapping loudly)
Well said, Sandi !
Snerd
p.s. Off to work … I can not pay myself to stay home … at public expense
Posted by: Snerd Gronk at Sept 9, 2008 3:10 PM
Snerd announced he had to leave for work and then he proceeded to post multiple times every hour for the next five hours…..Snerd, can you explain how you had to go to work at 3:10 and continued posting here continuosly for the next five hours? Does that mean you were at work all day here at Jill’s blog as a paid Obama blogger on a mission to smear Sarah? You are a scumbag and an example of the reason why Obama is dropping miserably in the polls.
How long is Obama going to continue to use the 90% voting line? It’s clear, “HE DOESN’T GET IT”!
The air was let out of that balloon right after Sarah made her speech at the RNC.
That strategy failed but Obama & Smokin Joe are still trying to use it.
The more push that, people ask what else is there.
They say it over again and agian and again…..
McCain has countered with his view of change. Obama & Smokin Joe respond with 90%.
McCain introduces Sarah, Obama & Smokin Joe respond with 90%.
Note to Obama campaign manager, “CHANGE”
Note #2 to Obama from campaign manager, Do not use Lipstick & Pig together in the same sentence.It may offend alot of people.
Note #3 Obama to campaign manager.
OOOPS !!!!! too late,,,,,
Anyone who tries to say that it was not an attack on Sarah, is truly lost.
Even though they emphatically claim that they are are concerned about Sarah. they can’t stop mentioning her at every stop. If not concerned, are they infatuated with her?
The luster has come-off the Obama icon.
He who portrayed himself as above all of the “gutter politics” has done the about face and gone beyond what he was first against.
Even Hillary gets it, when she agreed to campaign against McCain, but not attack Sarah.
And Obama says that McCain “DOESN’T GET IT”.
The collar is getting tighter and that vision of waltzing into the White House with a blaze of glory has gotten alot dimmer and more distant each day.
Each and every day grows more difficult for Obama and Smokin Joe to try and figure out what and who they are concerned about…
When the Obama SWAT Team comes back from Alaska without any “DIRT” (real or unreal) Will they go back to the 90% again………….
Obama campaign now appears to be having difficulty with $$$$$…after boasting of their vast resources….
First, selects Joe Biden. Next, he attacks Sarah and now he has $$$$ issues…
And Obama is questioning McCain’s jugdement…..
Sarah is not the ONLY woman smiling at the Obama’s brillance……
lesforlife @ 6:08 PM,
Janet, Do you really think Senator McCain is just misinformed about
embryonic stem cell research? Or is it more likely that
someone who believes that states should decide whether
abortionists can continue carrying out their deadly trade,
just isn’t interested in protecting all innocent children?
That’s a very good question. I don’t know. Cindy McCain mentioned in her interview with Katie Couric that they are both against overturning R v. W, so they appear to be in favor of states legislation on abortion – If McCain is still in favor of ECR as he appears to be, it would be most unfortunate since, as you know, it also involves the taking of an innocent human life.
I think 50% of this country doesn’t understand the important difference between embryonic stem cell research and adult stem cell research. Education on the subject is sorely needed.
If that is the case, that they literally will be ending up in a bag of hazardous waste, why not use them (after exhausting all other routes if you wish, assuming this works) to try and help those who are living with terminal/serious ailments?
Posted by: Dan at September 9, 2008 4:23 PM
to answer your question Dan, you cannot use these embryos because they are little human beings who would be killed to achieve a questionable good. It is not morally licit to commit evil even to achieve a good end….
Hi Patricia,
this axiom has been shown many times, but it does have a ‘tempting’ quality: kill Hitler, to end WW II early; nuke Japanese cities (mainly Catholic) to end the Pacific Front part of WW II; …. the list is long!
Janet: “I think 50% of this country doesn’t understand the important difference between embryonic stem cell research and adult stem cell research.”
This poll supports that idea:
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/public-opinion-and-the-embryo-debates
Notice that respondents seemingly favor ESCR in one question, and then favor protecting embryos from being destroyed shortly thereafter, depending upon the question. Also notice that the majority of those who say they greatly understand the ESCR issue wrongly believe that ESCs are the ones that have been helping people.
Obama’s “lipstick on a pig” slur
I’m certainly not one to give Barack Obama and Joe Biden advice. If they think slinging slurs at Sarah Palin is going to get them votes, they can have at it. Clearly Palin has Obama so rattled he’s doffing his…
bmmg39 at September 10, 2008 12:01 PM,
Thanks for the poll data!