Weekend question
Aw, Paul Newman died yesterday at the age of 83.
Great quote: Asked by Playboy magazine whether he was ever tempted to step out on wife Joanne Woodward, Newman responded, according to the Associated Press, “I have steak at home, why go out for hamburger?”
Off topic question this weekend: What was your favorite Paul Newman movie and/or scene?
[Photo of Woodward, Newman and pet, courtesy of Men & Dogs
A Personal History from Bogart to Bowie, was taken in 1958, right after they married.]
Sep.27, 2008 11:48 am |
Weekend question |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
While I admired Newman and his devotion to his wife Joanne Woodward, a rarity in Hollywood, I recall Joanne promoting Planned Parenthood and legal abortion, sending out letters telling of her own illegal abortion experience.
My favorite Newman movie? Definitely “The Sting”. I was disappointed to see him lead in a movie about a notoriously corrupt Louisiana governor who’s name escapes me, and his mistress. I felt the role was completely beneath him.
He was the voice of Doc Hudson in
“CARS”. That’s the only movie I’ve seen that has him “in it”.
Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid. So classic.
:: sob ::
In Order:
1.) The Sting
2.) The Verdict
3.) Road to Perdition
4.) Cool Hand Luke
5.) Long Hot Summer
6.) Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
7.) Absence of Malice
8.) The Color of Money
9.) The Hustler
10.) Hud
11.) Slap Shot
12.) The Prize
Cool Hand Luke rules.
So does the Newman’s microwave popcorn…
check out this list of actors and celebrities:
http://www.childrenoftherosary.org/minutn19.htm
Butch Cassidy and The Sting.
Paul Newman was one of the most generous celebrites ever. He gave millions to worthwhile causes, and especially those for children.
…and planned parenthood
Sadly, Newman’s Food Products company supported Planned Barrenhood and other extreme groups, so my wife would not buy his products! May he rest in peace!
off subject I guess but I wanted to ask if this means anything will be hidden on that site cuz I still am investigating on bho
*Note: On 09/29/2008 the Illinois General Assembly web site will be temporarily unavailable from 12:00 AM to 6:00 AM due to system-wide maintenance.
The Sting and the Verdict were both great movies. I like the others too, and I really like his committment to social justice, Planned Parenthood, etc.
Jill: “… Newman responded, according to the Associated Press, “I have steak at home, why go out for hamburger?”
SG: Really the statement was, “I have a stake in my home, those who are fo(R)ced out are lucky to have hamburger”
Paul was a liberal. monogamous man … and would approve that statemnt.
Snerd
Hal,
The only thing about “The Verdict” that made so little sense, and I think I’m remembering the right movie, is why would anyone go to some drunken has-been lawyer with such a major lawsuit? I wouldn’t have gone to someone like that for help getting out of a parking ticket.
Is that correct? Newman’s Own supported Planned Parenthood?
I’m really disappointed if that is true.
joanne,
yes, i have heard that his charity does support PP. however, the website is down right now, because of high traffic, so i cannot validate the claim right now.
Mary, it would surprise you how many people go to lawyers who have one problem or another. There are some things about the verdict which aren’t an accurate portrayal of those kinds of cases, but I’ve seen my share of drunken has-been lawyers try big cases.
Med Mal cases are very difficult to take on, especially, like that case, where the medical records indicate the doctors did no wrong. Most firms would decline a case like that. If he hadn’t (spoiler alert) discovered the records were falsified, the case would have been lost.
Joanne: “… Newman’s Own supported Planned Parenthood? I’m really disappointed if that is true.”
SG: Ahhh … I think “The Verdict” is in … It was Paul’s way of ‘a-dressing’ the issue.
I wonder how may Pro-Life(R)s were aware they were funding Pro-Choice?
Snerd
p.s. a ProLife(R) is distinct from a ProLifer
Matthew 16:25-27 (New Living Translation)
25 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 26 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?[a] Is anything worth more than your soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in the glory of his Father and will judge all people according to their deeds.
Hal 123:456 (random musings)
87 The sun is out, the air is fresh, don’t worry, be happy. 88. Obama is up in the polls, and independents think he won the debate. 89. McCain was really rude and condenscending to Obama. I heard it on the radio first, and thought McCain did well, but seeing him on tv was really offensive. What an jerk. 90. Where’s Palin? lol.
When asked for examples of trade missions with Russia that have taken place under Palin’s watch, gubernatorial spokeswoman Kate Morgan refused to answer the question. Morgan said she could not legally discuss any trade missions with me because she’s a state employee and I had first heard this claim through the Couric interview, which was part of Palin’s campaign for the vice-presidency.”
O.M.G. can it get any worse for these guys?
Hal,
Are you aware that according to VP candidate Joe Biden, President Franklin Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 to address the nation on the stock market crisis?
Hal,
These debates are analyzed and reanalyzed…and reanalyzed again. It depends on who you listen to.
An interesting lesson from history. The Nixon/Kennedy debate was a slamdunk for Kennedy yet that election was a major squeaker. Thankfully, John had old Joe Kennedy’s mob connections to help him. Nixon could well have contested the outcome but chose not to.
Hal
I think he made these comments (4:51PM) sometime after advising a state legislator to stand up and be recognized. Only problem was the man is confined to a wheelchair.
Maybe Biden was suffering delusions of being Obama.
Hal,
You may be right about Obama winning this election. It would also be devastating to the pro-life movement. The pro-choice side may very well win.
Lets call it what it is. It’s not “pro choice” its “pro death” or “pro abortion.”
I’m sick of political correctness!
Jasper, if Obama wins, it will be devastating to America, and probably the world. The guy’s a complete nothing who is adored by people like Hal because he’s a convenient trojan horse for liberal “values”. Hal doesn’t even care that Obama’s the least qualified person to ever run for president in the Democrat Party.
Imagine putting a five-year-old in charge at a day care center and then multiply that by about 700 billion. That’s what an Obama presidency would be like.
So as I said in the past, maybe those of us who are Catholic should start joining our Protestant friends in praying for Jesus to come back and bring about the end of the world. An Obama presidency would represent the complete failure of the human race! Make it quick, Jesus!
It is so depressing for me to look at the polls, I have stop doing it. How on earth can this guy be ahead. I could never have any respect for an Obama presidency, God almighty, he attacked a women who survived an abortion!! he said pro-lifers are liars! All she did was ask him to support the BAIPA.
I don’t think even Gore or Kerry would go that far.
McCain/Palin campaign,
take the gloves off, stand up for yourselves, hold a press conference and talk about Obama and BAIPA, anonce it to the world!!!
Do something, speak up.
Jasper,
Do not despair. Remember that one week is a lifetime in politics.
Hey, you anti-life, Obama-supportin’ people!
Considering that Obama is now using gestapo tactics and is threatening legal action against people for criticizing him… (Check this link for more info)
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/27/missouri-governor-goes-nuclear-on-obama-for-using-prosecutors-on-campaign-truth-squad/
…Anyway, now that Obama is a fascist opponent of free political speech, it’s only logical to assume that if elected president, Barry the Cockroach would ban JillStanek.com from the internet since Jill “lies” about him (ie, Jill “criticizes” him, and “criticism” = “lies” to Barry).
So, isn’t that a quandary for you, trolls? You like coming on here and gloating about the 4,000 dead babies every day, but if Roachman gets in, this website will probably be taken down. What are you going to do to get your jollies, then, huh? Haha…
I hope this poll has some truth:
AOL Straw Poll: McCain 63%, Obama 37%
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/25/aol-straw-poll-sept-25-oct-2/
Jasper-
AOL straw-polls are notoriously awful. Wouldn’t get your hopes up.
I never was a big fan of Newman or Redford until I got older!
Like Newman in Butch Cassidy best!
But he was a liberal – liberal men are not attractive – they have no “strength” and that is what I admire…
Jasper maybe things aren’t as bad as you think. The press here seems to think that McCain held his own last night and made Obama look bad….
Jasper-
yeah, no way that’s accurate. They even have MA and CA red, not to mention IL and HI which are other slam dunks for Obama. The poll is also still being conducted, and thus has even less a degree of trustworthiness (add in it’s an online unscientific poll and credibility further falls)
Patricia-
guess ann coulter disagrees. Rumor has it shes dating some uber-liberal elitist from NYC ;)
AOL just simply asks it’s readers for an up or down vote. Some scientific polls seem to ask mostly democrates, etc.
Also, you have to consider the Bradless effcect too Dan.
I would say that if Obama not up by 4 or 5% in early November, he’s in trouble.
Pro-choicers, remember to vote! Nov5th. Don’t miss it.
Jasper-
He’s up by 4.3 percent now, and trending upwards. If that continues, he’ll definitely have that margin, if not more.
As for polls asking mostly one party, there was a scandal when (I think it was) Gallup who said they inflated McCain’s post-convention numbers by calling more repubs than anything else. Scandal doesnt exactly get by easily in the polls, though why there wasnt a media circus over it I have no idea.
Haha Jasper. Funny.
November 4th is election day. Though I still need t re-register. State deadline is in a couple weeks. Gotta find my stamps…
Jasper, to be fair you must remind pro-lifers that election day is TUESDAY, NOV. 4, 2008. :o)
Oh, Dan, you beat me to it!
Now, please go register, NOW!
Dan,
actually the most accurate poll, (it was had Bush-Kerry in 04 almost exaclty right, off by
Janet-
Form is all filled out and ready to go (luckily my polling place will be right down the street :D) but I need to get the stamp and mail it in.
Oh, my comment got cut off.
The most accuarte Poll to follow is Rasmussen, which has Obama by 5.
Rasmussen haD Bush-Kerry ’04 exacty right.
Jasper-
I hope thats true, bigger lead than what the RCP average of polls has him at.
I recall that it was Zogby that predicted the Bush/Gore horserace of 2000. He is supposed to have the most accurate polling.
That was another neck to neck race right to election day.
Zogby got it right 8 years ago. Rasmussen got it right 4 years ago. Expect them both to be wrong this year. These polls aren’t worth the electrons they’re typed with.
paul newman was in one of the best movies ever, and a genuinely good (if not somewhat misguided) person. that being said, i can’t help but want to make a joke right now.
X,
what is the joke?
cool-hand luke was a good movie
According to Zogby its still a race too close to call. Also, Obama edged McCain only slightly in the poll, about 3 points. Not exactly a slam dunk for either candidate.
I agree, I found the debate dull and disappointing. Hopefully the next two will catch fire.
Ugh, I am NOT looking forward to the debate next week. Barbie vs. Zombie. Blech.
I cant wait for the VP debate. I think there are going to be gaffes galore on both sides, itll be a matter of who comes out with the worst one.
Not to mention, itll be nice to have Palin actually answer some questions for once. She’s slowly been improving in taking reporter questions, but I still don’t know much about her on the direction the country should take (though her russia comments scared the ^&*$ out of me).
goin’ t’hell now, boss.
bad joke, i know.
anyone else see history getting ready to repeat itself? like, great depression, then a world war? it sounds like paranoia to me in my own mind, but those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and the way McCain’s citing of historical references was treated like he ripped the head off of a puppy on national television by many Obama supporters. I’d say that’s a failure to learn.
x-
we don’t have the resources to add any more fighting to the list, we’re screwed if we enter another conflict, to say the least.
“Mr. and Mrs. Bridge” – Good movie from 1990, starring Newman and his wife, Joanne Woodward. She was nominated for an Academy Award in the category of best actress in a leading role.
My favorite was “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid”. Cool Hand Luke was good too!
I know this is off topic, but the American People need to know this about Obama:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/8-obama-citizenship-lawsuit-info-sheet
Barack Obama Constitutionally Ineligible to Serve as President of the United States
Please spread this Far and Wide!
Dan pretending to be scared by Palin’s Russia comments is funny. Anything to justify support for Barry the Cockroach…
James-
Thats been going around for weeks.
Obama went so far as to post a certificate of live birth on his website showing he was born in Hawaii.
Oh yes John, because war with Russia isnt a scary proposition at all, considering the possibility of nuclear warfare or losing to the russians because we’re spread thin, or because our finances are a complete and utter mess. yea, I’m not really afraid of war with russia at all.
Dan,
Since you have such a concern for gaffes, please refer to my posts of 4:51PM and 4:55PM.
Dan,
I’m just curious. Do you have any concern at all about Obama’s housing advisor being the former head of Fannie Mae? How about James Johnson of Freddie Mac fame who was on Obama’s VP vetting committee? Also, have you any issue with Obama being second only to Sen. Christopher”Countrywide”Dodd in the amount of “donations” accepted by these corrupt institutions?
Mary-
I just think they’re funny, they happen.
Both sides have a fair amount. McCain had a minor one in the debate last night (tactic vs strategy, Obama ended up being correct).
Mary-
no worse than McCain’s own associations, or Palin’s for that matter (who is just trying to make up for thousands of dollars of corrupt gubernatorial campaign donations).
What was the movie where he jumped the barbed wire fence on his motorcycle. I remeber as a kid thinking that was the coolest.
Come on Dan, if Sarah Palin or John McCain said them you’d have an entirely different reaction.
About last nite, Obama couldn’t quite comprehend the difference between preparedness when sitting down with tyrants and dictators and preconditions. I believe McCain had to express this to him twice. I find that more unsettling than Sarah Palin’s gaffe.
The likes of Putin and Ahmadinejad know when they are dealing with a greenie, and will act accordingly. I well remember when foreign tyrants had no respect for Jimmy Carter and when Soviet dictator Nikita Kruschev expressed his condolences to the American people for having John Kennedy as president, who he viewed as little more than a snot nosed kid.
Dan, in a pinch, anything we have on the line right now could be put on hold. The war we wage now has turned into less of an actual war, and more of a program of maintenance. We’re still there because it is in our best interest to be there, not so much that it is essential. However, the surge also works to our advantage in my scenario, because a quick end to conflict in Iraq with permanent to semi-permanent installations and a government sympathetic to the US would be indespensable, as I see it, because that is where the primary front would start. Iran and a few other minor middle east countries/Russia/China/North Korea/Cuba/Venezuela/a few others I can’t think of right now, VS. everyone else
Jasper, don’t sweat the eveaporating Obama lead. They are desperate. Sarah Palin is going to mop the floor with Biden and the more the Obamamaniacs rip into Sarah as being ignorant etc. the more people will vote for her cause she represents every day people. Also, the next debate is toen hall style which means Obama will get dragged off his talking points. Keep fighting alonside McCain but enjoy the ride cause Obama is doomed wen he opens his mouth and starts babbling without his teleprompter or prepared remarks.
So you have no problem with Obama’s involvement with people who have brought us to the brink of economic collapse? Isn’t Obama supposed to be above all of this? I thought he was for ending politics as usual, as well as “change” and “hope”.
Dan, you should be a poster child for raising the voting age to 25.
Mary-
I dont care about gaffes, or try not to, i mean i could be jumping on mccain for not being able to proounce a name, or messing up with strategy vs tactic, going after his lobbyist advisors, Palin’s bad donations, etc. I’d have plenty to go after that those on the other side to go after similar for Obama, thus I try not to go after it unless i think it is an obviously worse or unmatched gaffe.
Hal:
Keep countin’ your chickens…..please!!!!
Mary-
John McCain has similar associations, they’re unavoidable in this election.
Truthseeker-
Evaporating? His lead has been increasing in every state for the past week or so. And his overall lead is at an average of 4.3 points according to RCP.
ts,
Last nite I thought Obama began rambling at the end. He went from Russia to domestic drilling and just incessant rambling about energy, not really addressing the issue of Russia.
Isn’t this the guy who told us to inflate our tires and get tuneups to save energy?
I never realized Americans routinely drove on flat tires and I understand only people who have cars that are 23+ years old would need tune-ups.
Truthseeker-
Last nights debate destroys the talking points and was not pre-prepared, neither candidate was. (granted, the material could certianly be guessed at). Obama has steadily improved his debating skills, I’m actually fairly excited for the town hall style debates. He came out of this first one looking great and held his own where McCain was seen as having an edge. A tie is a win for him, McCain didnt hit hard enough.
Mary-
23+ year old tune up is BS. We have a car that is less than that in need of a tune up.
You’re missing my point Dan. Wasn’t Obama above all of this?
John-
A majority of people I talk to would disagree. They may not like my views but they appreciate the research, thought, etc I put behind my decisions and my open mindedness. I’d hazard a couple of people hear may disagree with you.
In the end though, it doesn;t matter, my vote will be cast and counted November 4th.
Mary-
In a word, no.
No one ever is, no matter what they claim. In thos country’s politics (unfortunately) its unavoidable. To get elected you go after those who are best at what they do and try to spin or hide affiliations, etc.
According to what mechanics have told me, its more computerized and self regulating. Being a mechanic has become highly technical. Even getting my washing machine fixed would require a computer trained tech. I remember the days of tuneups. It was a regular ritual. We haven’t had our vehicles in for tuneups in years and they run like tops.
Mary-
perhaps. However my mom’s car is something like 5 (maybe a year or two more) years old and definitely needs a tune up, its easy to tell by the shifting, engine noises, etc. Works fine though, so itll likely stay that way til the car dies.
I’ve consistently thought since the age of 13 to this day that almost everyone around my age and younger are complete morons. This is to the point that I would consider giving up the right to vote just to keep everyone else in this age group from screwing things up.
Dan,
So Obama’s claims of being a different kind of politician are all a lie then? He’s only too ready to associate with dubious characters and grease his palm when politically expedient? There’s really going to be no change?
God… Barry looked aloof and annoyed, kept trying to interrupt, and seemed to have no blasted idea what he was talking about. But he kept telling us how much he hates George Bush, so that scored him plenty of points with you empty-headed folk.
Barry’s knowledge of history and his experience are so limited that the Obama campaign has decided that McCain’s experience is a liability, because what else are they going to say? McCain’s decades of experience amounts to “living in the past”, while all Barry can do is whine and fuss about the last eight years of the Bush presidency, but that’s not living in the past, is it? What a joke.
But yeah, Barry looked great. You Obama supporters are all complete lunatics.
Mary-
No, I’d say he’s certainly run a far different campaign than any of those before him. His youth outreach is like none other before him, his use of resources, small donors, etc. Overall he’s “cleaner” than a vast majority of politicians, but that doesnt mean he’s clean.
I think there will be good changes in the government if certain things work out, however I trust no politician so ill believe it when I see it. I think he has certainly changed the running of campaigns in respect that a majority of his attacks were based on policy differences rather than character (at least until lately), something many campaigns have lacked.
But…but…he’s so sincere! He speaks with such conviction and power! His jumpshot is great! HE HAS SUCH SOFT EYES! CHANGE HOPE CHANGE CHANGEHOPECHANGEHOPEHOPECHANGE!!!!
John-
he tried to interrupt when he though McCain was incorrect/misleading or twisting something. There were times (to the McCain campaigns glee) that Obama openly admitted McCain was correct. However, overall Obama came across as firm and he dug in and held his ground and ended up making McCain look condescending at various points during the debate.
I shouldnt even bother arguing with you, youll just go back to insults like you always seem to do when I try to enter a discussion with you.
Barack Obama, ” I have two daughter ages nine and six, but if they make a mistake I wouldn’t want them punished with a baby.” nice ad lib Barack.
Heres to Obama getting a chance to ad lib again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA
Holy shit, and they clapped for him??????
Dan 11:15PM
I remember my husband doing our tuneups many many years ago. They were a ritual, like oil changes. Now he’ll only do oil changes since engines are so complex and computerized. Good grief why doesn’t you mother get that checked out? It may be some other problem. When my jeep did that,(its a real pain in the rear) I had major engine problems. I wish it only needed a tuneup! As far as I know, the mechanics have never had to give it one and have never suggested I bring it in for that. The same with my husband’s 11 year old van.
Hal:
You should be smarter than to listen to people who just tell you what you want to hear.
Here’s what some of your beloved media friends said about the debate.
“I think McCain was sharp and experienced.”
David Brooks – The New York Times
“Obama To McCain: You’re ‘Absolutely Right'”
Susan Davis – The Wall Street Journal
“But the overall message of the night was clear – McCain is smart, familiar with the issues on a striking level of detail, knows what he wants to do: ‘I don’t think I need any on the job training. I’m ready to go right now… I know how to deal with our adversaries, and I know how to deal with our friends.'”
Jim Geraghty – National Review
“I think McCain won the debate. I think there will be a deal this weekend and he will be vindicated in his efforts to some degree to have actually dealt with reality as opposed to going around giving stump speeches and the McCain campaign will have momentum going into next week and that will set up the Palin-Biden debate.”
Bill Kristol – The New York Times
“Only the most devoted partisan could deny it was a very, very strong outing for John McCain. On foreign policy he was devastating — making clear how much more resolute and experienced he is.”
Jennifer Rubin – Commentary
“It was one of the most substantive debates in recent presidential campaign history and John McCain won it. The Arizona senator was cool, informed and forceful in Friday’s first presidential debate of the general election campaign. He repeatedly put Barack Obama on the defensive throughout the 90 minutes session. Obama did little to ease voter concerns that he’s experienced enough to handle foreign and defense policy. That was his number one task Friday night and he failed.”
David Yepsen – Des Moines Register
“I thought it was a really good night for John McCain.”
Nina Easton
Fortune
“McCain scores a good point, that under Obama’s original plan on Iraq, US troops would have been out last spring, before the implementation of the surge.”
Bill Schneider
CNN
“Barack Obama repeatedly saying: ‘I agree with Sen. McCain’ or ‘I agree with John.”
Jonathan Martin
The Politico
“McCain demonstrates a solid understanding of the region [Afghanistan and Pakistan] here…”
Marc Ambinder
The Atlantic
“McCain, in talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan, is drawing on his vast experience for the first time in this debate, and it really sounds very convincing.”
Bill Schneider
CNN
Jasper, don’t give up so easily to Hal. Remember, Hal killed his first two kids via legal abortion. What kind of person does this, one who always takes the easy way out?
McCain will win this one, I am sure.
Mary-
its nothing major, it used to be related to the oil changes, but after the last one they recommended a tune up but quite simply it isnt affordable and we may as well wait til the car dies at this point. Hasnt been that bad lately.
Dan, I only refrain from using insults when the conversation isn’t a complete waste of time. The level of my responses always matches the level of the discussion at hand. If the discussion is complete BS, then you’ll get insults from me. And guess what? This is conversation is complete BS.
But, I think I’ve had enough BS for one day.
HisMan-
There is no doubt McCain did well, but he didn’t go after Obama enough. Obama held his own and neither drew enough blood to get a decisive victory, and given McCain’s repeatedly defined “edge” on the topic, all Obama needed was a close debate. That’s what happened, each side is claiming victory and everyone is coming to different conclusions, split fairly evenly. A tie is a win for Obama, it won’t affect, or will barely affect, his rate of growth in the polls.
yes, HM, I take any and all poll numbers with a huge grain of salt after the Bush-Kerry election. President Kerry didn’t last very long.
Dan,
My friend I have seen more campaigns than I want to admit to. Believe me, Obama is not different.
JFK had tremendous appeal to youth. Obama has charisma, and while that is a fine trait to have, it does not a leader make.
Obama has only shown he’s politics as usual and that he’s a Washington insider second to none.
Jasper: “It is so depressing for me to look at the polls, I have stop doing it. How on earth can this guy be ahead. I could never have any respect for an Obama presidency”
Welcome to my world the last eight years.
Dan,
I suppose tuneups would cost a small fortune these days. If her problem is as expensive as mine turned out to be she may just as well let the car die out. Next time my jeep does that it goes to the rustbin.
Dan 11:32PM
Kennedy shellacked Nixon in the debate but the race was a razor thin victory for Kennedy. Nixon could easily have demanded a recount but chose not to. Obviously, the debate had no huge influence.
I agree that each side spins it the way they want, this poll says this, that poll says that.
Personally I found it tedious and a colossol bore.
Mary-
it was pretty much a bore, but I thought it was fairly informative.
I think the VP debate may be more animated and will lead to a TON of possible soundbytes given the two involved. That’ll make things in the race fairly interesting.
HisMan,
I’m pleasantly surprised to read those reviews. I was disappointed when McCain talked of supporting the theory of global warming, which I think is a crock, but you can’t have everything.
I wanted to see him go after Obama more as well. However he did seem calm and collected. Did Obama want the moderator to rescue him a few times when he as for the next question, or was that just me?
Mary-
He seemed to only go for the moderator when the moderator tried to interrupt (which preciously was not all that often)
i don’t know…but did anyone else catch the brown-nosing comment he made to the moderator? there was a breeze in my house due to the pressue differential caused by his sucking up.
What was the movie where he jumped the barbed wire fence on his motorcycle. I remeber as a kid thinking that was the coolest.
Posted by: truthseeker at September 27, 2008 10:54 PM
Damn, I think that might have been Steve McQueen
There is no way in hal that Obama is going to win this election.
It’s not time to be listening to polls. It’s time to get to work. Go to your local McCain headquarters and make calls, hang signs, donate money, do something. Pray, pray, and pray some more. Why do you think I haven’t been bloggin much. I’ve been here in AZ working my tail off.
Go to http://www.JohnMcCain.com and let’s win this one for all the millions of unborn babies of the future.
Remember, the MSM is mostly leftist and the pollsters don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them. You’ve got to add 5 to 7 points for McCain in any poll. I say that puts McCain ahead by 3.
I will stick to my original prediction of over 8 months ago that McCain will win 53% of the vote.
McCain will surge after the VP debate, mark my words.
I certainly hope so, HM.
My McCain/Palin bumper stickers and yard sign arrived in the mail the other day, and I had them put on and out as soon as I got them out of the package. ^_^
Truthseeker,
The Dirty Dozen. Mc Queen tryed to escape on a motorcycle.
Thanks yllas.
HisMan,
I just saw your guy Huckabee on Fox News. He has his own cable talk show now.
He’s my guy Huckabee too. (Major crush). He was pretty funny. Tho the house band could use some work. He should have run for president. Oh that’s right he did…how fun these debates would be if he had won…
HisMan,
You mentioned Hal and how he killed his two children via legal abortion. “What kind of person does this?” you asked.
A kind of person that is lost. A kind of person like me.
Please remember that Hal is here just as you are to converse and I can no longer tolerate that kind of talk towards him when I HAVE DONE THE SAME THING HE HAS! Except-I once was lost but now I’m found, was blind but now I see.
I am sorry Hal for all of the things people say in regard to your abortion experience. I will try to do better in the future by sticking up for you.
I don’t want to read that anymore about Hal. I mean it.
Hal,
You have been more than patient here with all of us and our rudeness to you regarding your abortion experiences. I admire you for that. I don’t know that I would have stuck around if it were me.
Please know that all of us care about you and have some silly ways of showing it sometimes. We pray for you that someday you will feel the regret that leads to forgiveness.
You are in my thoughts and prayers today.
Dan,
No, I heard Obama go to the moderator for the next question, once or twice while he and McCain were debating.
Amen Carla.
Be prepared for Yllas’ wrath.
Xalisae,
Good point about “President Kerry”. I remember “President Gore” when the election was called too soon. Not that the media was biased or anything.
Interesting that it was Zogby who correctly showed Gore pulling ahead slightly of Bush and Gore did have the extra votes. Zogby predicted the fiasco of 2000. Zogby now says the race is too close to call and that Obama only won the debate by a slight margin.
Yllas 1:09am
No. The Great Escape was with Steve McQueen on the motorcycle. The Dirty Dozen starred Lee Marvin and Jim Brown.
Carla 6:43am
Excellent post and point. I certainly can’t make any claims to sainthood either, and I seriously doubt any of us can.
Hal and I may have our differences but I am fond of him and enjoy a good debate. Like I have said, this site would be pretty boring if it was a mututal admiration society.
Thank you, MK, Mary.
P.S.
My cynical side is saying that Hal’s story is crap anyway. Sigh. If it is true, Mrs. Hal is who I would really like to talk to. :)
the difference between carla and hal, though, is that hal finds no wrong in what he and his wife did.
also, i enjoy a good debate, too. a GOOD debate. not someone taking me out or context and intentionally misconstruing 75% of what I say and ignoring the rest because my points can’t be addressed by them.
” Overall he’s “cleaner” than a vast majority of politicians, but that doesnt mean he’s clean.”
There is still his association with Rezko that should be investigated and he is one of the top 3 Democrats that were given money by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
So sorry again — anon is me!
Did Obama want the moderator to rescue him a few times when he as for the next question, or was that just me?
Posted by: Mary at September 27, 2008 11:55 PM
I saw it too. It was pathetic, IMO. I wish the debate had gone on for another hour. McCain was warmed-up and on top of his game at the end and Obama looked worn out to me.
Mary @ 11;38,
My friend I have seen more campaigns than I want to admit to. Believe me, Obama is not different.
JFK had tremendous appeal to youth. Obama has charisma, and while that is a fine trait to have, it does not a leader make.
Obama has only shown he’s politics as usual and that he’s a Washington insider second to none.
Amen. A Washington insider, no doubt. He’s transparent. Especially since this economic crisis broke.
Was it disrespectful of Obama to address John McCain by his first name in the debate?
I thought so. Just wondering what y’all think.
This is going to sound sooo superficial, but is anyone besides me getting tired of the white shirt-dark pants uniform Obama wears? I realize he’s running for President, but doesn’t he have a wardrobe guy who can help him find something a bit more interesting from time to time?
Eileen-
The media (Fox in particular, of course) was all over rezko, even they found nothing that points to legal wrong doing.
As for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, McCain has a previous employee (apparently high up at one point or another) as his economic advisor. Fingers can be pointed both ways to both candidates on suspicious/negative associations and/or wrong doing.
The U.S. government is fairly full of criminals on all sides, I’ve sure youve seen that chain e-mail circulate describing various crimes, etc.
Janet-
I dont think it was disrespectful, it makes sense. They are both senators, simply members of opposite parties. Both are presidential candidates, both are peers. First name use/familiarity makes sense.
Dan,
I admire your desire to research the candidates’ positions and be “open-minded”. I may be mistaken, but didn’t you recently declare yourself “pro-life”?
If so, do you feel you have an obligation to ultimately vote for the candidate who is most pro-life? I get the impression that you are leaning towards Obama and I wonder why. If not, when do plan to make up your mind on a candidate?
Dan @ 1:01,
Janet- I dont think it was disrespectful, it makes sense. They are both senators, simply members of opposite parties. Both are presidential candidates, both are peers. First name use/familiarity makes sense.
I don’t think a “peer” relationship should matter when the setting is a televised debate which is a formal event.
Experientially, and because of the age difference, I wouldn’t consider them peers.
I grew up in a more formal time. Cashiers at the grocery store actually looked you in the eye and said “thank-you” when they took your money. Waiters at restaurants didn’t come up to a table of people twice their age and say “How are you guys?” I miss those days.
Janet,
I’m sure as colleagues they are on a first name basis but I do think at a debate or any public forum addressing each other as “Senator” is more respectful.
I really don’t believe Obama meant any disrespect, its a slip any of us could make.
I agree that at the end Obama was stumbling. He seemed to evade any discussion of Russia by starting a dissertation on the need for alternative energy, which did not address the question being asked.
Carla:
Hal posts on this site continually about the
continuation for the continued legalization of abortion. From that perspective he is my enemy and God’s enemy. That’s his choice and by definition based on the values he has chosen to hold on to. God wants relationship with him more than anything but it will be under God’s terms and not Hal’s. I will not water down the truth.
Im fact, if you follwed the thread after I had posted a bible verse Hal mockingly posted this:
“Hal 123:456 (random musings)
87 The sun is out, the air is fresh, don’t worry, be happy. 88. Obama is up in the polls, and independents think he won the debate. 89. McCain was really rude and condenscending to Obama. I heard it on the radio first, and thought McCain did well, but seeing him on tv was really offensive. What an jerk. 90. Where’s Palin? lol.”
If you think I’m not going to stand by and let him mock my faith and mock my God without challenge, then yes, you’re right, I’m on the wrong blog.
The context is that he is unrepentant about the fact that he killed his two children by legalized abortion and now he supports a candidate for President that wants to solidify this right in stone. People that visit this blog need to be reminded of this contstantly as there are new visitors that read our comments every day.
Remember that being a Christian is a marathon not a sprint. We are all subject to being misled unless everything we do is compared and tested against God’s word. Without a knowledge of what it says we will be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, be it Oprah comfort care or Obama false Christianity. If you think I’m going to let anyone, believer or not move me based on opinion, forget it. I have every God given right to challenge all ungodliness spoken on this site by both believers and unbelievers.
Hal knows where I stand on faith, however, I will NEVER, EVER coddle and enable nor feel sorry for someone who supports the right to murder innocent children, especially another grown male who frankly I have absolutely no respect for.
And compnassion does not mean witholding the truth from someone. It’s confronting him with it. Hal has never expressed any remorse whatsoever for aborting his first two kids. When he expressed remorse and asks for forgiveness, I’ll be right there helping him through that process and stand firm that he is forgiven. The and only then will I consider him to be a real man.
Hal, I tell you this in love. You’ve heard enough of the Gospel to be held accountable. I suggest you act on it by recieving Christ as your Lord and Savior now. Do not delay. We are not guaranteed another day. Today is the day of salvation.
Janet-
I haven’t been leaning, I’ve been decidely voting for Obama for months now. I am not, nor will i ever be (I hope) a one issue voter. I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain in good faith when he has very few of the same views I do on various topics. I don’t view abortion as the most pressing issue at hand. I’m sorry, it just isn’t that way for me. Perhaps one day it will be, perhaps not, but for the time being my vote is going to Obama and that is unlikely to change.
As for formality I understand the point, but I guess I feel a lot politics has become over formalized and has gone to an “elite” level, regardless of party. I think they do deserve a large amount of public respect overall, but with one another I think they should be able to be informal and show the American public who they are behind closed doors when they work/argue with one another.
Janet 1:23PM
I remember those days as well. I always address patients as Mr. Mrs. or Ms. unless they are very young or are children.
However I remember as a child being the only one in my family who could get away with calling our elderly nextdoor neighbors by their first names.
Even my parents called them Mr. and Mrs.
In our neighborhood adults addressed each other and children certainly addressed adults as Mr. or Mrs. Cousins of my parents’ generation were addressed as “aunt” and “uncle”.
“I gotta find those other 11 dirty guys.”
Doug,
The Great Escape! I think only one or two actually escaped.
Yo La Tango,
I have a comment for you on the “More Catholic than the Pope Thread”. You can click on it on the list of Jill’s most recent posts. :)
Dan,
I know you said you were going back to the church, but tell me…is it true you are now pro life?
Honestly, I’m shaking right now. You’ve made an old lady very, very, very happy.
MK-
you missed that blog entry? haha.
howdanseesit.blogspot.com
scroll down to “Conversion Factor.” It’s buried in there somewhere. Might not want to get too excited, but the short answer is yes. lol.
Dan, would you really tell young pregnant woman to not have an abortion if she wanted one?
Falilli
I will aslo direct you to that same posts for your answer.
I have to go back to making my dinner, hot oil on the stove.
Dan, thank you. I read your blog.
You are a wise man; a nice young man.
HisMan,
Many years ago I fell in love. Strangely it was set-up by God. I can hear His words even now … ‘Kinda cute, eh?’ Yeppers, I KNEW it was Him and most heartily approved His choice. Problem was she wasn’t having any of it nada …zip!
So a wee bit confused I asked Jesus how He saw her. He obliged me with a vision of how He saw her.
Absolutely marvelous …. I also learned just how He sees us … every one of us! Cherished is much too mild a word.
More than a few people do not understand my faith. As Mother Theresa would phrase it: ‘I am called to love a person and not to judge them.’ Jesus Himself was judged, mocked and killed. And yet He prayed that these be forgiven.
We almost have no idea how precious we and all life is. The American Constitution can be used as a measuring stick, or as a springboard to a better life. Abortion empties the pool.
Mary,
I’ve got issues with any sense of human-formality/propriety. … especially when we call God by His first name and He teaches us to call God, ‘Abba’ … which translates as ‘Daddy’ not the formal ‘Father’.
“With the passing of Paul Newman, animals and the people who care about them have lost a dedicated friend and advocate.
Beyond his work as an actor, Newman’s companies—Newman’s Own and Newman’s Own Organics—placed a particular emphasis on minimizing the suffering of animals. PETA’s shopping guide at VegCooking.com features a dozen Newman’s Own products that don’t include animal-derived ingredients. Newman’s Own Organics also introduced a line of foods for dogs and cats that benefit animals in more ways than one: The products are not tested on animals, and the profits from the sales are donated to animal protection organizations.
To pay tribute to this extraordinary man, let us carry on his tradition of showing kindness and compassion to all beings every day.”
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/09/paul_newman_rem.php
“So a wee bit confused I asked Jesus how He saw her. He obliged me with a vision of how He saw her.
Absolutely marvelous …. I also learned just how He sees us … every one of us! Cherished is much too mild a word.”
You are the biggest liar John. You just get done saying how the world would be much nicer without me and then you turn around and say we are all cherished? What you meant to say is, “Cherished but Jesus wants some of you dead.” You’re the biggest pro-deather of them all.
Now Jess,
it is true that I did say ‘the world would be better without you’ WELL WOULDN’T IT? If you insist on dumping on me …. I’ll ask, dumping what?
Jesus said that bad stuff is not what goes INTO a person but what COMES OUT. And I did not wish you dead … even though that idea has merit. Oh yeah, pronouncing Carla, Patricia and mk as good-PL is called: sucking-up. These ladies are superb … very, very super!
HisMan,
I appreciate your response. I however see us all as sheep gone astray and all in need of a Savior. I personally don’t think calling Hal a baby killer is all that helpful. I relate to him and who he is because of who I used to be and the CHOICE I made once. I was shown grace by post abortive women. Amazing grace. I was also called a baby killer. Which way do you think had more of an impact on me?
I am not here to “save” anyone. I hope that my words convey the love I have for all His children and for The One that rescued me. The One who longs for us all to draw near to Him.
You are zealous for God. So am I. We have different means to the same end.
Hal, I tell you this in love. You’ve heard enough of the Gospel to be held accountable. I suggest you act on it by recieving Christ as your Lord and Savior now. Do not delay. We are not guaranteed another day. Today is the day of salvation.
Posted by: HisMan at September 28, 2008 1:55 PM
HisMan, I keep promising myself I will be a better man, refrain from mocking you and your absurd beliefs, and try to understand and appreciate the value you see in your decision to worship God. Posts like this one, however, set me off and bring out the worst in me. I want to provoke you, mock you, find some way to bother you. I will not do so tonight. I will pause a moment, chuckle a bit, and wish you well. Somehow, I remind myself that in your world, these words are meant as some kind of kindness.
Carla, I appreciate your kind words. I know we see things very differently, but–as you point out–we have some things in common. I credit people like you (among several others) who keep this site interesting, civil, and somewhat productive (in the sense that we can learn from each other if we refrain from our worst instincts–mine at least)
And I did not wish you dead … even though that idea has merit.
John, you rascal….. ; )
Ya, the Great Escape, that was it. I guess it was Steve McQueen and not Paul Newman but it was a very cool scene.
Babies in the womb deserve protection. If I knew
Paul Newman supported Planned Parenthood I would have never purchased any of his company’s products. Funding baby killing is NOT charitable no matter how you look at it.
May he spend his eternity looking at dimembered baby parts of the babies killed by his blood donations.
May he spend his eternity looking at dimembered baby parts of the babies killed by his blood donations.
Posted by: truthseeker at September 28, 2008 11:28 PM
Yikes. That’s what you hope happens to Paul Newman after his death? That’s some religion you guys have.
Hey, how do you know he didn’t make peace with his maker the day before he died? Redemption and all that….
I really do hope he did Hal. Or that he was just ignorant but I doubt that.
Hal,
So is your abortion story true or not? :)
TS,
I found what you said to be horrible. My daughter Aubrey is not mangled in heaven. There are not body parts of aborted babies lying around. They are beautiful. They are whole. Aubrey waits for me.
Please read I’ll Hold You in Heaven by Jack Hayford.
I think TS was implying that Paul would go to hell and be forced to see the horrific things he helped to bring about.
Hal, do you have any religious family members, or is anyone close to you religious? I haven’t been religious for quite some time, and fail to see the sense in it myself. But that is ME. My disbelief doesn’t keep me from respecting the fact that many, many people DO believe these things, and strongly enough to base their lives upon them. Not to mention, if you cared to delve into these “absurd beliefs”, you’d find that some of them, even if you don’t believe their reasons they give for their origins, might just have some good points, and the basic “play nice rules” are very easy to follow and logical for the most part. I hear that “Thou shall not kill.” can be kinda tricky though.
there is a difference between an atheist and a disrespectful, immoral @$$hat who does whatever they feel like at any given time just because they can get away with it.
“Hey, how do you know he didn’t make peace with his maker the day before he died? Redemption and all that….”
Posted by: Hal at September 28, 2008 11:56 PM
Hal, that is what we are supposed to pray for — the salvation of souls. I’m pretty sure (hey, you other Catholics out there, step in!) that at the moment of death, Jesus gives us one more opportunity to choose Him or not. I think it is referred to as the Great Grace. Our choice is influenced by whether or not our hearts have been hardened by habitual, unrepentant sin. “If today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts.” So I hope and pray that Paul Newman is spending eternity in Heaven!
there is a difference between an atheist and a disrespectful, immoral @$$hat who does whatever they feel like at any given time just because they can get away with it.
Posted by: xalisae at September 29, 2008 11:24 AM
xalisae, I can’t argue with that. You’re not accusing me of being such a person are you?
Hey Anon.
“I’m pretty sure … that at the moment of death, Jesus gives us one more opportunity to choose Him or not.”
As far as I know, this is based on the private revelation of Jesus to St. Faustina. It can probably be found somewhere in her diary. That being said, it is a private appellation that has been deemed worthy of our belief if we so incline. I personally believe it whole heatedly and think it makes perfect sense in light of God’s infinite mercy and love for us. So I do have a lot of hope for atheists and other non-Christians. I think it is very reasonable to have hope that Paul is in heaven.
BTW, leave a name next time Anon. It’s nice to get to know who you are. God love you.
Ahoy John M: I thought of you when reading this.
Make any sense to you?
http://tinyurl.com/6jst7h
Of Serotonin and Spirituality
Scientists see a biological underpinning for religiosity, and it is related to the neurotransmitter serotonin.
Serotonin, the brain chemical crucial to mood and motivation, also shapes personality to make you susceptible to spiritual experiences. A team of Swedish researchers has found that the presence of a receptor that regulates general serotonin activity in the brain correlates with people’s capacity for transcendence, the ability to apprehend phenomena that cannot be explained objectively. Scientists have long suspected that serotonin influences spirituality because drugs known to alter serotonin such as LSD also induce mystical experiences. But now they have proof from brain scans linking the capacity for spirituality with a major biological element.
The concentration of serotonin receptors normally varies markedly among individuals. Those whose brain scans showed the most receptor activity proved on personality tests to have the strongest proclivity to spiritual acceptance.
Reporting in the American Journal of Psychiatry, the researchers see the evidence as contradicting the common belief that religious behavior is determined strictly by environmental and cultural factors. They see a biological underpinning for religiosity, and it is related to the neurotransmitter serotonin.
Ty Doug,
most interesting, but most people do not know that this hormone is also pivotal in so many biological processes … body repair, sleep, nighttime immune defenses; etc, etc. The nighttime release of melatonin is from the pineal gland and it’s release is greatly influenced by negative magnetic radiation. Remember we once talked about Pottinger(sp?) at Laurention U in Sudbury? This could very easily be part of this phenomenon.
John who are you to say who the world would be a better place without? You are just like abortion proponents who think the world would be better off without handicap people or poor people or black people, etc. You see a vegetarian and think the world would be better off without them because the fact that we live and live well contradicts your assumptions that you will be sick and die quickly if you don’t eat meat.
Sorry, Bobby, that was me, I didn’t notice it in my hurry to leave the house. I thought that the Great Grace came up in one of the Councils but I can’t remember which. But it does make sense to me too — in light of God’s Mercy. I wish more people really knew the Church and all that She teaches — I am always edified every time that I hear or read Church teaching! I am so grateful to God that He hasn’t left us to flounder on our own! God love you!
” I thought that the Great Grace came up in one of the Councils but I can’t remember which. ”
Eileen,
I actually hope I’m wrong. That would be great if it was taught at a council and was dogma. I’ll look into it and see what I can find.
Hi Jess,
same problem … this is not about Jess-only. I have one of those atrocious genetic diseases likely caused by zinc deficiency. There are so many of these diseases. Yet one of the specialists who wrote about the effects of zinc deficiency wrote that some 90% OF ALL GENETIC DISORDERS COULD BE PREVENTED IF SUFFICIENT ZINC AND VITAMIN B6 ARE TAKEN DURING PREGNANCY. Vegetarianism (without taurine) assures zinc deficiency. And you can take zinc until the cows come home … almost totally useless! Zinc HAS TO BE FIXED ONTO CELL MEMBRANES BY TAURINE. This is ok for kids until @14 because they auto-produce sufficient taurine. After that time taurine MUST come from the diet. Any person can have their taurine levels reduced by 85% before any symptoms appear.
Your claim to health may be short (I hope not). A sign of these difficulties can include PMS and depression, multiple sclerosis and diabetes … bolemia, cancer, arthritis and a whole lot more … these don’t happen to everyone but they all do have a strong link to zinc deficit.
A person may wish to ignore these facts (as you seem inclined to do). I would normally just drop the subject … except that such a deficit will haunt any kids you might have too. IMO it is very important to judge a diet regime not only on the participants but also on their kids and their kids, kids. This goes for the stupidity of the animal-husbandry practices of modern factory farming. Of as much concern to me are GMO crops and irradiation.
“Your claim to health may be short (I hope not).”
Why? You said the world would be a better place without me. You can get zinc from other food sources. The majority of the world does not have a meat heavy diet, or eat meat regularly if at all. How do they ever have healthy children? And you can get zinc and B6 from non-meat sources. My doctor said I wasn’t deficient in anything. Do you know better then them?
Was your Mom a vegetarian?
“This goes for the stupidity of the animal-husbandry practices of modern factory farming. Of as much concern to me are GMO crops and irradiation.”
Factory farms kill people. Legit. It’s not sanitary to keep animals like that. There was recently a case where six women miscarried. It turned out to be because of a factory farm improperly disposed of the animal waste. Go to peta.org. I have to go.
“Your claim to health may be short (I hope not).”
Why? You said the world would be a better place without me. You can get zinc from other food sources. The majority of the world does not have a meat heavy diet, or eat meat regularly if at all. How do they ever have healthy children? And you can get zinc and B6 from non-meat sources. My doctor said I wasn’t deficient in anything. Do you know better then them?
Was your Mom a vegetarian?
Posted by: Jess at September 29, 2008 6:32 PM
…….
Hi Jess.
… mea colpa … keep thinking you are very bright like Leah but you do not seem to connect any of the dots. I had hoped you would do some careful consideration … but you seem to be fishing for a way to find these posts trite and therefore irrelevant.
Much of what you say is valid, but it still does not account for all sorts of phenomenon … the prevalence of blood-type and food preferencing; cultural bias (this one lady from India was culturally forced into vegetarian eating, so she would sneak a little meat so she would be less chronically ill.)
No, my Mom was not vegetarian and nor are the vast majority of North Americans who are zinc deficient. A vegetarian diet CANNOT end this problem without taurine. Even with it, assimilation is difficult. Without it assimilation is impossible for most adults.
Any doctor is limited to what they test for. Since zinc and taurine are both uncommon/rare tests, it is highly unlikely he could be confident in your zinc status.
Carla,
I am sure your Aubrey is waiting just the way you picture her cause with Jesus all things are possible.
I hear that “Thou shall not kill.” can be kinda tricky though.
Posted by: xalisae at September 29, 2008 11:01 AM
Especially tricky for a Christian who has trouble turning the other cheek when they see injustice.
“I actually hope I’m wrong. That would be great if it was taught at a council and was dogma. I’ll look into it and see what I can find.”
Posted by: Bobby Bambino at September 29, 2008 2:02 PM
Actually, Bobby, you may also be correct. Are not dogmas sometimes confirmed in private revelations?
Mornin Eileen. Dogmas are NEVER based on private revelation. All dogmas are based on the public revelation of Jesus which ceased with the death of the last apostle.
” Are not dogmas sometimes confirmed in private revelations?”
So for example, Our Lady of Lourdes revealed herself as “the Immaculate Conception” to St. Bernadette. However, the dogma of the Immaculate Conception was defined several decades later but was NOT based on the revelation at Lourdes. Had Lourdes not happened, the Immaculate Conception would still be defined as it is. Private revelation in no way influences dogma. Now, when you say “confirm”, in a certain sense it may give the lay person more “confidence” and more “reason to believe” that a dogma is true if there is additional “evidence” from private revelation, but this is a misunderstanding of the nature of dogma and faith (I”m not accusing you of this).
So none of our doctrine is informed by private revelation, and authentic private revelation can never contradict revealed dogma. I don’t know if that answers what you were saying. I enjoy rambling… God love you.
Was it disrespectful of Obama to address John McCain by his first name in the debate?
I thought so. Just wondering what y’all think.
No more so than Palin calling Charles Gibson “Charlie” @ 18 times in their interview
I hear that “Thou shall not kill.” can be kinda tricky though.
:: chuckle ::
Yeah, there are so many people who don’t know that the meaning of the actual Commandment in the Bible, as well as the wording in several Bible versions, is, “Thou shall not murder.”
It’s ludicrous to pretend that all killing was proscribed, there.
Doug,
Regardless of Bible versions, huh?
Doug,
x was being sarcastic…
“Murder” is the killing of an innocent human being.
Obviously it doesn’t apply to bugs or dandelions.
Janet, yes, regardless of bible versions it’s ludicrous to say that all killing was what the Commandment was talking about.
The Old Testament is chock-full of killing, rules for killing, orders to kill, etc.
Murder was killing held to be harmful to the community and proscribed by law. That was not abortion.
Doug,
Janet, yes, regardless of bible versions it’s ludicrous to say that all killing was what the Commandment was talking about.
The Old Testament is chock-full of killing, rules for killing, orders to kill, etc.
Murder was killing held to be harmful to the community and proscribed by law.
That was not abortion.
You’ve found objective truth. Congratulations. Lol.
Where did you find that definition of murder? The biblical definition of murder is the killing of an innocent human being, period. Abortion is murder. The community opinion is irrelevant.
“Proscribed”, outlawed -your new favorite word, I see? :)
It’s so late! Yikes! Good nite.
“Janet, yes, regardless of bible versions it’s ludicrous to say that all killing was what the Commandment was talking about.
The Old Testament is chock-full of killing, rules for killing, orders to kill, etc.
Murder was killing held to be harmful to the community and proscribed by law.
That was not abortion.”
Janet: You’ve found objective truth. Congratulations. Lol.
If you mean that abortion was not considered murder in biblical times, then you are right – historical facts don’t depend on what you or I think, here.
…..
Where did you find that definition of murder? The biblical definition of murder is the killing of an innocent human being, period. Abortion is murder. The community opinion is irrelevant.
No, abortion is not murder, and was not murder in biblical times. “The Hebrew word for “kill” in the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is rasach, which is more accurately interpreted as “murder,” or illegal killing judged harmful by the community.”
No, abortion is not murder, and was not murder in biblical times. “The Hebrew word for “kill” in the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is rasach, which is more accurately interpreted as “murder,” or illegal killing judged harmful by the community.”
The reason murder is judged harmful is ???????
Answer: Because it is the killing of an innocent human being.
I think we can agree on that, even if you don’t think abortion is murder.
Okay, Janet, that’s part of it. Yes – murder was certainly considered harmful to the community, and indeed – an innocent (or innocent enough) human being was killed.
But that does not mean that any and every innocent human being killed would be murder.
So I’d say it’s not only because the innocent was killed – there had to be other considerations too – worth to the community, etc. And sure – you can say that without people there’d be no community in the first place, but evidently there were enough people already that it wasn’t held to be right to deny a woman an abortion, same as we do it now, your objections and the restrictions we have noted.