Did baby mammoth die in Noah’s flood?
I wrote 2 years ago about a remarkably preserved baby mammoth discovered in Siberia. Here’s an update from OpposingViews.com, May 4:
At first Lyuba’s well-preserved body suggests a mystery: scientists have determined that she was in good health and well fed when she died – so how did she end up frozen in time? Lyuba’s stomach contains important clues, as The Telegraph’s Richard Gray explains…
“Sediment was found packed inside the baby mammoth’s trunk, blocking the nasal passages, and also in the mouth and windpipe. The experts believe that it may have suffocated to death after becoming trapped in the thick mud that eventually encased the body, where it had gradually pickled and was preserved.”
And National Geographic News’s James Owen adds, “The oxygen-deprived environment of its final resting place, likely a watery marsh or bog, prevented decay and kept it intact save for only its tail and shaggy coat.”
But perhaps it isn’t so much of a mystery. Creationist mammoth expert Mike Oard, in his landmark 2004 work Frozen in Time, writes:
“Strangely, scientists investigating 3 woolly mammoths and 2 woolly rhinos, including the Beresovka mammoth, found they all died by suffocation. For a live animal to die of suffocation, it had to be buried rapidly or drowned.” [Emphasis in original]….
Lyuba’s near-perfect preservation and sediment-filled lungs are yet another evidence of catastrophic, watery burial – not the gradual effect of uniform processes….
According to the model of a post-Flood Ice Age (which Oard explains), the frozen mammoths we find today would have been preserved only a few thousand years ago.
By contrast, old-age scientists consider Lyuba to have died some 37,000 years ago. Yet even Alexei Tikhonov of the Russian Academy of Science notes, “When you look at [Lyuba], it’s hard to understand how she could have stayed in such good condition for nearly 40,000 years.”…
[Photo attribution: The Telegraph]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I’m always amazed at the scientists that look the truth in the face and declare it to be a lie.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them
Did baby mammoth die in Noah’s flood?
Since Noah’s flood never happened, the obvious answer is: no.
That’s pretty amazing that you know that for a fact, Reality. You must have a time machine! Very cool. :)
Hey Jill, that is an interesting article. It seems that every piece of evidence there is out there points to creation and the flood. Why don’t others see it?
Jill, As a pro-life leader please be careful about associating yourself with creationism which I believe posits that the earth is only 6000 or so years old. Many people who you could influence will be repulsed if they think pro-life is connected with creationism.
Yes, chris early, and we wouldn’t want to associate ourselves with Christianity, either. I mean, some people might be repulsed.
We wouldn’t want to associate ourselves with beliefs about the Virgin Birth or the Resurrection. Perhaps we shouldn’t allow the author of this blog to express herself at all, for fear she might repulse someone with her “pro-life, Christian” beliefs.
Heaven forbid.
Chris,
The pro-life issue should be connected to the belief expressed in the Declaration of Independence that people are created by a Creator and endowed by that Creator – not people – with the right to life.
It is when we separate from the belief humans are uniquely created by God in His image that we begin to lower our regard for the sanctity of human life. And why not?
The Bible says God created the earth and all in it. I believe the Bible.
I think the Wooly mammoth got run over by a “Jesus horse”- a dinosaur ridden by a careless guy.
Whoa, you just set the crazy bar about ten notches higher.
Jill, Are you afraid of offending people who believe the earth is 6000 years old? Is that why you did not address my comment? If so then it seems strange that you are willing to confront the pro-aborts with the truth but dodge other truths.
The Bible says God created the earth and all in it. I believe the Bible.
Posted by: Jill Stanek at May 13, 2009 7:33 PM
absolutely. It just doesn’t tell us how, since the Bible is not a science book. It is a book about God and his relationship to us.
I’m in the process of reading the article and it’s quite interesting! Thank you for the link.
I think the Wooly mammoth got run over by a “Jesus horse”- a dinosaur ridden by a careless guy.
Whoa, you just set the crazy bar about ten notches higher.
Posted by: Bystander at May 13, 2009 8:00 PM
really Bystander, why do you bother?
No one takes you seriously. :P
really Bystander, why do you bother?
No one takes you seriously. :P
Posted by: angel at May 13, 2009 8:51 PM————————————————————– I know. Nobody!
ROFL!!!! You are so amazingly delusional. This post really made my day. I haven’t laughed so hard in at least a week.
really Bystander, why do you bother?
No one takes you seriously. :P
Posted by: angel at May 13, 2009 8:51 PM
Don’t assume no one does. Lots of us lurkers do.
Uh, the “Jesus horse” thing was a joke, not intended to be “taken seriously”.
I hope the post was also intended as a joke.
Dreadful Penny, you really must stop making comments about yourself. :P
Bystander, any time you post, you take a jab at religon and God. Nobody who believes in God cares about what you have to say.
Bystander, any time you post, you take a jab at religon and God. Nobody who believes in God cares about what you have to say.
Posted by: heather at May 14, 2009 6:53 AM
yup, I agree. I don’t even read Bystander anymore. I just skim past ’em. :D
Jill, Are you afraid of offending people who believe the earth is 6000 years old? Is that why you did not address my comment? If so then it seems strange that you are willing to confront the pro-aborts with the truth but dodge other truths.
Where did she not address your comment, Chris?
Wow. It’s surprising how much evolutionists are threatened by Christianity and Creationism. You can expect them to mock, insult, and ridicule you every time that you “dare” to post something that contradicts their view of the world. People who are confident in their views wouldn’t need to do that.
Youre right it’s disrespectful to mock. But it’s done only because the idea that the earth is only a few thousand years old is laughable to anyone who doesn’t take the bible literally.
Wow. It’s surprising how much evolutionists are threatened by Christianity and Creationism. You can expect them to mock, insult, and ridicule you every time that you “dare” to post something that contradicts their view of the world. People who are confident in their views wouldn’t need to do that.
Posted by: Bethany at May 14, 2009 7:54 AM
You wouldn’t mock a fundamentalist Muslim who believed that killing innocent Americans would ensure their entry into Heaven and access to 72 virgins? I would. Even though I’m confident in my views. It’s just insane to believe that. It only comes form indoctrination over years and a desire to believe such nonsense. A 6000 year old Earth is a similar (but of course less dangerous) belief.
All belief, religious and secular, comes from indoctrination. Plenty of religious fanatics were fabulous scientists and mathematicians. Newton, Euler, Ramanujan. The difference is when you talk about theories that can’t be demonstrated. Often these things don’t really matter anyway. As you so aptly point out, believing the Earth is X years old is not dangerous because it doesn’t stand in the way of scientific progress that will help us. Just as Newton’s religion and Einstein’s lack of it didn’t keep them from relying on empiricism to discover phenomena in the natural world. However, when ideologies keep people from being honest about what can be observed empirically, then we are getting into dangerous territory. When someone alleges that an unborn baby is not alive or not human or any other notion that directly opposes what can be observed empirically, that is pretty dangerous.
I fail to see how there could be any conflict between evolution and belief in God. The notion that the world in only 6,000 years old is just plain ludicrous.
Do creationists realize that this is 1,000 years after the ancient Sumerians invented glue? But creationists have this crazy and ridiculous notion that Darwin was an evil man who set out to destroy Christianity and undermine every one’s morality, and that the horors of Hitler and the Nazis, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and other monsters
are the fault of Darwin.
How can any one be so naive and gullible? And to be horrified of sending their children to public schools where if they hear about evolution it will turn those innocent kids into immoral,hedonistic
atheists. Conservatives talk about”liberal” and”communistic” brainwashing of kids in public schools in America.
But just look at the way conservative religious parents who homeschool there kids,and evangelical churches brainwash kids into believing in creationism and the literal truth of the Biblle(as they are taught) brainwash THEIR children.
Not only that, these parents and churches brainwash kids into being intolerant of homosexuals and homosexuality, and brainwash them into being obsessed with what consenting adults do in private, which is absolutely none of their business.
Please don’t get me wrong; I’m not attacking Christianity per se or trying to close your churches and deny you the right to your beliefs and to worship as you choose. I have no problem with this.
But I do have a lot of problems with your obscurantist attitudes and determination to impose your social agenda on the rest of this nation. Don’t forget, there are millions of people who follow other religions in America, or none at all.
They don’t have the same beliefs or attitudes, and they are entitled to live their lives as they see fit,as long as they harm no one else or try to impose their faith on others.
“You wouldn’t mock a fundamentalist Muslim who believed that killing innocent Americans would ensure their entry into Heaven and access to 72 virgins? I would. Even though I’m confident in my views. It’s just insane to believe that.”
And ignoring the scientific evidence that an embryo/fetus is a human being is even more insane, Hal.
BTW, I don’t recall any Creationists who believe it’s ok to kill innocent Americans so they can gain entry into heaven. Some beliefs aren’t quite as dangerous as others. I’m really stunned you’ve even made this ludicrous comparison.
Contrary to popular belief, Robert Berger, many homeschoolers DO, in fact, study evolution. Some also study evolution and creationism… both sides of the issue–which isn’t allowed to be taught in those oh-so-open-minded public schools anymore.
I parent my children the way I see fit. I pass my values on to them, just as you would do with your children (I assume). When they are grown, they will make their own decisions about their beliefs. Most children do.
Passing on one’s values isn’t brainwashing. It’s called parenting. One only seems to think it’s brainwashing when it doesn’t line up with the rest of society’s beliefs.
Heaven forbid my children should be taught to love God and their fellow man. Heaven forbid they should be taught that they were created for a purpose. If you think that’s delusional and “brainwashing,” maybe you’re the one who needs a head examination.
And examine your heart, while you’re at it.
Wow, you know who Ramanujan is, hippie. Nice. One of the most brilliant mathematical minds, yet known by almost no one. And sadly died at age 29, I believe.
Hippie, thank you for your 9:08 post.
Robert Berger, I’m not afraid for my children to learn about evolution. My homeschooling curriculum teaches about both.
But the question is…are you afraid of your children learning about creationism? And if so, I guess I (and others like me) am more open minded than you….
This is the same old demand for thought conformity.
Diversity is great until someone does something different.
If someone is a great brain surgeon and your child is saved because he has the skills, do you really give a rodent’s posterior how old he thinks the Earth is?
Why do some have to impune the motives and intellect of people who look at things differently?
I like science and read some science blogs authored by research scientists. While they have in depth technical understanding of the processes of natural selection, they also have a more temperate and friendly attitude toward those who don’t believe in evolution than many who believe in evolution but couldn’t explain it on a bet.
Robert Berger, Penny Dreadful, Bystander, Reality, and Hal (sounds like I’m reading Pilgrim’s Progress): I don’t believe that you’re so much concerned about American science as you are American religion. A true scientist would look at this Lubya mammoth article and say, “Some interesting observations! Very little decomposition, internal sediment, death by suffocation–is there any alternative explanation?” But you apparently feel threatened, blindly affirming evolutionism, actually demonstrating your devout faith in your scientists, some of whom are probably more accurately labelled teachers. Such scientific knowledge as you have has been revealed to you by them, not empirically discovered on your own. You haven’t learned science; you’ve learned religion (but it’s false).
I share your zeal for religion, but my religion is a different kind. Like Jill, I hold the Bible to be God’s message to us. Christianity together with Greek philosophy fostered the development of Western science, but Christians do well to remember that science can ultimately only do a little to alleviate suffering and enrich life. I wonder whether science delivers as many new problems as it does solution to old problems. As examples, take the nuclear bomb or the Pill. Or take antiseptic surgery, which has resulted in the ubiquitous “safe abortion.” Thankfully, there is now also ultrasound.
The light of the world is the Lord Jesus.
My Father is bigger than your father.
p.s. Robert Berger referred to recorded history. It’s my impression that historians establish benchmarks and then proceed from their benchmarks. If the benchmarks are wrong–because of alternatives arising from different assumptions and different primary sources–then the whole system is flawed. I’m always reminded of the two-Isaiah theory: because Isaiah predicted the reign of Cyrus and identified him by name even before he was born, some theologians and historians have said that there must have been two Isaiahs.
Evolutionists do not like science.
Drilling down 15 miles we find marble and graphite in the eqrth’s crust. Marble is calcium carbonite and if we under great heat and pressure mix it with water and graphite, we get crude oil.
Most evolutionist biologists have not taken more than 2 physics classes and do not also know the biochemistry and physics refute the theory of evolution and an old earth.
Michael Behe destroyed darinism with the book Darwin’s black Box