Husband Rich just thought of another good weekend question.
In conjunction with my being bestowed the title by MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann this week, who would you name as the “Worst Person in the World!”?
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RJ,
Your processor must have misread the question. It’s, “Who is the worst person in the world?”
Good question, tough one, lot of bad guys out there. When you think about it for a minute, it get’s depressing. We live in a sick world.
Tiller would have been right up there. There are a lot of evil men warring and murdering and raping women in Darfur and Sudan. Whoever’s leading and executing that evil activity is up there. Everyone complicit in the sexual slave trade (which with other forms of human trafficking has become the second largest criminal industry in the world) should get an honorable mention.
Those are some of the bad guys that would top my list.
God help us.
The worse person in the world is Dr. James Scott Pendergraft! RJ
Ed,
I think you maybe missing thye point. When KO talks about a “worst person in the world”, it’s actually a best person in the world.
OK Jill, What is the jist of the question? What are you asking?
My vote is for Keith Olberman.
The abortionist who was buried today. Lot of his followers at his funeral and he brings up guilt and pain for 60,000 moms. Jill, the hurt after an abortion has to be worse than the pain of being called names on tv for having upright values. Olberman doesn’t have a car, can’t drive and is single. He is physically harmless.
A bit off topic but I got this from Fox news. This is what someone said at Tiller’s funeral:
“Dear God, get heaven ready, because Mr. Enthusiasm is coming,” said Larry Borcherding, of Overland Park, who first met Tiller a half-century ago when both were students at the University of Kansas. “Heaven will never be the same. It will be a better, better place with George in it.”
I’m speechless.
US marshalls were dispatched to protect abortionists. Were they sent to protect military recruiters? How about to high schools after shooting took place? Were they ever sent to post offices after the numerous shootings there?
How about to neighborhoods terrorized by gangs and drive by shootings? Any US marshalls protecting innocent people in these communities?
Do I smell a little political pandering here as well as a waste of taxpayer money?
Well Joanne, not even saying anything about Tiller and his eternal fate, what Larry said is a symptom of such sloppy and superficial theology. It imagines heaven as just a “really cool” earth where people do things like we do here on earth etc. etc. rather than total and complete union with God via the beatific vision. Good grief, as if heaven could somehow be “better”, like it’s a physical location? Like it is lacking in perfection and has room to improve? That kind of thinking is a symptom of our pop-theology make-it-up-as-we-go-along “spiritual but not religious” culture. God love you.
Judging from Jasper’s quote of the day the US Marshalls should be dispatched to ‘stop and robs’ and beauty salons.
Who is the Worst Person In the World?
She/He/It has not yet arrived.
bho is just the trial balloon that was floated to see if humans are stupid enough yet to be taken in by the real ‘worst person’ when it/she/he arrives.
Judging from the results I would say that the lady who is short for her weight is loosening up her vocal chords and the angel is tuning his shofar.
The ‘worst person’ is nervously pacing her/his/it’s cell in anticipation of receiving the call to action.
Watch and pray. Pray and watch.
yor bro ken
yor bro ken
US marshalls were dispatched to protect abortionists. Were they sent to protect military recruiters? (nope) How about to high schools after shooting took place? (dont think so) Were they ever sent to post offices after the numerous shootings there? (no again)
How about to neighborhoods terrorized by gangs and drive by shootings? (nope) Any US marshalls protecting innocent people in these communities? (nope)
Do I smell a little political pandering here as well as a waste of taxpayer money? (yes)
Posted by: Mary at June 6, 2009 2:02 PM
Bobby…..very well said. That tends to be a popular saying…. how heaven is a “better” place because so and so is there now.
But I am reminded of the verse that says “God is not mocked.”
I can not speak for heaven or hell, but I can say that mr. Tiller’s departure has made ‘earth’ a better place or at least a safer place for prenatal human beings.
yor bro ken
“Of the 8 total murders that have occurred at America’s abortion mills during the past 36 years, 5 were in 1993 and 1994 alone.
But according to… the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, during those same 2 years there were 2,154 other people killed in work-related homicides in the US including 7 school teachers, 4 members of the clergy, 10 lawyers, 9 newspaper vendors, 7 writers, 6 realtors, 22 waiters or waitresses, 4 groundskeepers, 5 architects, 40 garage or service station attendants, 23 auto mechanics, 21 janitors, 10 hairdressers, 4 carpenters, and 6 farmers.”
That is really astonishing…. and yet Barry orders marshals to protect abortion mills which of course is pandering to the pro abortion lobby that we all know he does.
When are people going to wake up and see what a fraud and empty suit he is?
ken: that is until Carhart takes over his “practice” and “Trains more ‘doctors'”
What ‘Larry’ said about Tiller is wrong…..I wonder if this ‘Larry’ prescribed to the “once saved, always saved’ just assuming believing in Jesus is a guarantee for Heaven?
Bobby is right.
“I wonder if this ‘Larry’ prescribed to the “once saved, always saved’ just assuming believing in Jesus is a guarantee for Heaven?”
I doubt he is thinking about a theologically mature doctrine like OSAS, Liz. I think it’s just the “everyone goes to heaven except maybe Hitler, Stalin, and Jerry Falwell” level of thinking; in other words, those who I would send to heaven go to heaven and those who I would send to hell go to hell.
Excellent article by Mark Crutcher. (Thanks Jasper for making it quote of the day.)
http://www.markcrutcherblog.com/index.cfm/2009/6/4/The-Ghost-of-Reno-Rides-Again
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“That is really astonishing…. and yet Barry orders marshals to protect abortion mills which of course is pandering to the pro abortion lobby that we all know he does.”
Joanne,
Good point. I wonder how much the abortion lobby contributes to the Democrat Party? It must be one of the largest lobby groups in the country, don’t you think? I’ll see what I can come up with.
Joanne,
Janet,
The Democrat party owes a lot to the abortion lobby. PP, NARAL, and abortionists contribute millions to democratic candidates.
They have NARAL speakers at their conventions. Any pro life Dems (and they are few and far between) are not allowed to speak. This happened to pro life governor Casey awhile back.
And yes it likely is one of the largest lobby groups.
“Thanks Jasper for making it quote of the day.)”
Hi Janet,
The was Jill’s quote today…but I agree, very good article.
That makes sense, Bobby. BTW, How’s Gianna doing with her baby sister?
Honestly, Jill, I don’t know that I feel up to making that judgment call, although Dr. Peter Kreeft comes to mind (for his suggestion that children come with a 30-day “warranty” that allows postpartum abortion, and his strong stance that all disabled children be aborted, pre-and post-birth). Still, I don’t know that I could justify calling him the “worst person in the world.” After all, wasn’t the point of Christ’s death and resurrection to save us all? And doesn’t it clearly repeat in the Bible that even the most consummate of sinners is invited back to His house, if only he repents of his sins?
We are, none of us, worthy of the promise of Heaven, yet our Creator lowered Himself to the cross. For us. For Keith Olbermann, for Dr. George Tiller, for RJ, for Jasper, and for you, Jill. Part of the reason why it is especially painful when a man dies in the height of sin. Although Christ has defeated the man’s sins, he dooms himself to Eternity, suffering for those same sins.
Although I joked on another thread about Olbermann, and whether he is in fact the worst person in the world, I honestly feel that the answer to that question is too complex for my tiny brain.
From the QOTD:
In other words, during the worst period of “pro-life violence” in American history, more farmers and twice as many hairdressers were murdered on the job than abortion clinic workers and abortionists combined.
I don’t think that so-called “pro-life violence” is much of a problem, certainly not some nation-wide network of terrorists, but the flaw in this thinking is assuming that being murdered at your job, and being murdered FOR your job, are the same thing. Someone shooting a bank teller is tragic, but the motivation for the crime is probably theft, not the murder of a bank teller. If the specific bank teller is targeted as a direct motivation for the crime, then the reasons are probably personal — Mary is killed because John doesn’t want her dating anyone else, not because she is a bank teller. Whereas someone shooting an abortion doctor is more likely to be motivated by the job of the victim — by the fact that they’re killing someone involved in the abortion industry.
It’s the difference between someone in India mugging and killing a woman on her junior year abroad; and someone in Iraq killing a uniformed US soldier.
Obama.
Alexandra, 6:01PM
I’m sorry but dead is dead. I don’t care what the “reason” is. The teller might be killed because a robber panicked or misfired a gun.
Someone can be killed for no other reason than a shooter is deranged.
Tiller was killed by someone with a history of militia involvement and I now understand was schizophrenic.
Pvt. Long was killed by a Muslin “jihadist”.
The difference is what? Is someone any less dead?
I do not have a name for the worst person in the world. It is the person who sees persecution, knows he can stop it, and chooses to look away.
MaryRose,
You must be mistaken about Peter Kreeft. Do you have a source?
I think MaryRose is thinking of SINGER, not Kreeft.
Liz,
YIKES! How could I have made such a terrible mistake there! Yes, SINGER. Oops!
Janet, see above. Oops.
Kreeft is an insightful and wonderful man and I feel like a complete imbecile for making such a stupid mistake!
MaryRose,
No problem. Thanks for your informative, well-reasoned posts.
Janet,
Well, I would thank you if I wasn’t unwittingly putting out false information about a good man :(
My husband and I only became involved in the issue of life when we got pregnant with our first in Nov of 07, but since we’ve been aware, we have both made attempts at being both informed and informative, as well as empathetic.
It gets difficult at times when you get to debating with people who, knowing the facts, STILL choose the culture of death. Nonetheless, we continue to fight for the lives of the unborn as rationally as we are able.
I have enjoyed reading your posts, as well. Keep it up! :)
The worst person?
Me.
My sins are so bad, God’s Son had to die to save me from the punishment I deserve.
Isn’t He GOOD?!! :o)
Michelle,
Way to own it! :) He IS GOOD!
The worst person in the world has to be Osama Bin Laden–he doesn’t care who, when, or how people are killed!
MaryRose,
Mr. Kreeft will be just fine, I’m sure! :) Have you read his book, “Aborting Socrates”? I think you’d enjoy it. He uses Socratic Method to defend the pro-life position.
So glad you are commenting here and studying life issues!
“Worst person in the world”?
I’m not sure I could come up with one person. Throughout history there have been a long line of people who subscribe to a set of evil ideas, and who work to implement those ideas.
In America today those people are called liberals. One facet of liberalism, admittedly a very large facet, is the radical pro-abortion lobby. The other facets like those in favor of big-government control over people’s lives (aka “statists”), union thugs and their followers who are power hungry and who want to force unsustainable wages and benefits, even to the point of killing the company (see “GM”), and of course the liberal politicians who pander to all these groups to enable their own power.
There are facets like the radical animal rights groups, the environmental kooks who want to ruin America and capitalism and freedom, the anti-American/anti-war groups who want to bring America down and implement a radically communist system, the so-called preachers whose highest fealty is to radical socialism, not Jesus Christ.
There are the feminist groups like NOW whose greatest satisfaction comes from seeing more abortions committed.
There are the mainstream media liberal enablers and cheerleaders who promote all of the above and maliciously malign and impugn good people.
There are those in academia who use their classroom to force their leftist thinking on students, and engage in indoctrination, not education. There are those in the arts & culture, in Hollywood and elsewhere who use their positions of influence to push the liberal garbage I mentioned above.
There are the funders and financiers of all this liberal nonsense, like George Soros and others, who are also to blame for spreading the misery and hopelessness of liberalism.
So, there is not one “worst person in the world” that I can single out…it is a “group award” to all those discussed above that make the world a worse place to live in that it has to be.
And they all accept and promote each other’s agendas, and band together to fool the people so they can get into power and implement their pet evil project, whether that be abortion or some other evil.
And you can add me to KO’s worst people list too.
I coordinate an agency that has never taken a single cent of government funds but for almost 25 years has saved mothers and babies from abortion with hands-on, very practical help, education, and emotional support. At the moment, its approximately one mother and baby saved each week, that we’re aware of.
Most of these women come to us hoping we will help them get an abortion because they think it’s their only option. We offer help to solve their problems instead, and so they joyfully choose to preserve their babies’ lives.
KO would label us as being “anti-choice” in the same way he lied about Jill posting the Drs home addresses. Consider it a compliment, Jill- if the enemy doesn’t notice you, you aren’t doing enough! :o)
The worse person I said was abortionist Dr. James Pendergraft. Why? He trys playing theologion when it comes to the abortion issue. He has an article on his website called, “Is a phitious a person?” He trys using scripture in order to justify his dasterdly actions. Yes, even Satian knows scripture as well. RJ
Michelle,
How wonderful! Thanks for what you do for life! God bless!
Janet,
I have not read that book. I will look into it, though. Kreeft has on multiple occasions impressed me with his thorough and well-reasoned arguments against abortion. This sounds like it’s likely to be just as enjoyable. :)
RJ,
Satan has always been quite good at twisting our most basic morals to fit his needs/desires.
That is part of the reason why prayer is such an important part of life.
GOD BLESS YOU Michelle! And they say we don’t care about the women, just their babies…..
The difference is what? Is someone any less dead?
No, Mary. I am not saying that one is “better” than the other — but rather that for the purposes of discussing a crime after the fact, there is a big difference between someone who was killed for doing their job, and someone who was killed AT their job. A woman who is killed by her husband is still dead, but the motivations for her murder (and thus the discussion about how to prevent such acts) is very different from the discussion after a woman is killed in battle.
I have little interest in the difference between these two but the QOTD was from someone attempting to compare people murdered AT work with people murdered FOR their work.
If someone drove to an abortion clinic and gunned down the pro-lifers protesting outside of it, that would be WAY different — in intent, and thus in social reaction — than someone killing their wife who happens to be pro-life, or a bank teller who happens to be pro-life.
Alexandra,
I didn’t interpret the QOTD as a point on work-related death so much as a point about death and the over-the-top emphasis on this one particular sort of death, numerically compared with people killed for other reasons. Professions specifically were compared because profession is the argued case for this emphasis.
Did that follow? I’m getting a little sleepy and trying to discuss a point.
I’ve also heard quotes comparing how many children die in a day vs. how many abortion providers die in a year.
120,000 children/day worldwide. 4,000/day in America.
Yikes.
In the scriptures we read, Man became a living being. However, the abortionist want us to believe that Since the hebrew word for person is nephesh(A creature that breeths), that the fetus isn’t a person, because this word nephesh doesn’t refur to a fetus. I am not a hebrew scollar, but even I know this argument is reduclious.
RJ,
Wow, that is a horribly weak argument on his part.
The sort of argument that the only people likely to believe would be those wanting to believe it anyway.
Uck.
I agree 100 percent, especially coming from a man who has Florida board of medicene breathing down his neck.
Worst person in the world???
Well, IMO, it USED to be George Tiller until…well…you know…
I didn’t interpret the QOTD as a point on work-related death so much as a point about death and the over-the-top emphasis on this one particular sort of death, numerically compared with people killed for other reasons. Professions specifically were compared because profession is the argued case for this emphasis.
Oh, yes, MaryRose, I agree with that. Like I said, I don’t think there’s some epidemic of anti-abortion terrorism or anything. I turned 18 in 2000 so for most of the time that I’ve been conscious of abortion, “pro-life” violence hasn’t really been an issue.
But I do think that profession is the valid argument/emphasis in this case. As far as we know (and most likely), Tiller wasn’t killed because he was white, or a man, or because he owed someone money, or because he slept with another man’s wife, or because he just got in the way of another person’s crime. The reason he was killed was most likely because he performed late-term abortions.
There is something disturbing about that in its own way (each reason for murder is, of course, disturbing and upsetting). It’s like…if someone killed a minister just because they didn’t like the church. Or if someone killed a science teacher because they didn’t like evolution. It is an ideological act, rather than an emotional or financial or pragmatic one. And I don’t think it’s out of line to discuss that.
I don’t know where Tiller is..who knows if he had a last minute conversion and cried out to God for Mercy, so, if he is in heaven, then I guess it would be a better place, because he would be with the babies he killed and they would all be united to Mercy Himself.
Talk about miracles of mercy!
Alexandra,
Agreed. It most certainly seems to have been the reason for the killing. There is some merit to that. I was just saying that I didn’t interpret comparing it *numerically* with the murders of others *within* their professions as unmerited in this case. I just saw it as a numbers thing, really.
But the point you made was certainly valid.
TB,
Wouldn’t it be wonderful to discover that Tiller had repented and was in Heaven with all those precious little children? What a beautiful end to that story!
The worst person in the world is the person who has heard the Gospel, has heard of the life of Jesus Christ, has heard of His love and compassion and then walked away unchanged.
Why is he the worst person in the world? Not because he has done or is a worse sinner than any one of us but, because he has rejected the one and only thing is this short life, that can change his life forever.
Yes this is a great and unspeakable tragedy.
HisMan,
Most desolate, most hopeless, most tragic? Most certainly!
But worst?
I don’t know…
Posted by: Alexandra at June 6, 2009 9:45 PM
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Alexandra – I think you’re correct – that what you do places in you in particular locations/environs of hostility. However, be careful about drawing conclusions between ideology and motivations.
As you yourself say:
It’s precisely that occupation where Tiller’s actions could provoke personal retaliation, and not necessarily ideologically driven violence. Abortion providers themselves testify that women are threatened with violence by men if they a) don’t get the abortion or b) if they get the abortion.
What’s the possibility of someone considering the abortionist complicit in the killing of his child? Abortionists seek anonymity and confidentiality primarily to safeguard against such reactions.
Crutcher’s quote is indicating a huge disparity between real factors and resulting deeds, when it comes government response.
The wise thing is to wait for the trial. Because there might be aspects to this whole situation that few of us know.
RJ, Jasper: Particularly in light of my own new title, I see Jasper’s point, that Olbermann naming someone as the “Worst Person in the World!” would mean somewhat the opposite to us… :) For instance, I consider my new title a badge of honor, something to put on my bio as a pretty terrific accomplishment!
But I meant my question on its face. Who would you name as the “Worst Person in the World!”?
Alexandra,
I think the point of puting numbers out there is to show that abortion doctors are not in any significant danger of being killed compared to other people in the world. Pro-lifer’s as a group are overwhelmingly non-violent, but made to look so dangerous that abortion doctors need military forces to protect them from pro-life evil doers.
As a more accurate comparison, consider that people who kill police officers are generally a violent and unpredictable bunch, and many people would have you believe that pro-lifers were also of such character. But in the same time period (’93-94′) that 5 abortion doctors were killed (the most violent two years ever), 311 police officers were killed, most often FOR being police officers and FOR doing their jobs. And that number would likely be much higher if police officers didn’t have extensive training, guns, and back-up.
The simple fact is that minus a few wackos that anyone can be subject to, abortion doctors are not in immediate danger from pro-life advocates, and certainly not in such danger that our tax dollars must be spent on special security forces for them. As someone else said, those forces would be much better employed on the streets where guns, violence, drugs, and gangs are running wild.
I think we ought to reopen the case of the family that John Brown & sons slaughtered in Kansas, with an emphasis on blaming every single abolitionist in the country for their deaths.
Abolitionists are also to blame for the revolt at Harper’s Ferry, VA. Anyone who ever spoke out against slavery is to blame for both those criminal actions. The should all hang their heads in shame. And apologize to anyone who ever supported slavery!
And they also caused the Civil War!
Doyle, I watched your video! HOW TRAGIC!! 500 babies were born alive? It made me sick! We are comitting infanticide.
Tragic about little Rowan!
WPITW:
Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, Brian Williams, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr.
Chuck Todd.
Omar al Bashir.
One of the silliest arguements is we as pro-life advocates do not care about the women facing a crisis pregnancy. This is a false statement and a sweeping generalization based on what facts?
None. It is an accusation designed to discredit the person advocating for the baby, because perhaps at that moment, the pro-life person has more sympathy for the unborn than the mother carrying the child. Not so. What we seek, is for the mothers to acknowledge their own feelings aside from fear, anger or frustration, ownership of responsibility for themselves and a second person within, that needs at least their love and cooperation for the nine months of gestation. It is the pro-abortion crowd that cares nothing for the unborn or the mother, only for the act of abortion itself. That is sacred, not the mothers, not the fathers, not the children.
We want to help the mothers with what at that moment, in that feeling time, seems like an unbearable burden, by providing support, medical care, compassion ears, a hug, food, clothing, a place to stay if need be, but mostly, the knowledge that they matter and killing their child will not make the problems they face disappear, only the child.
None of us are niave, many of us have had children and know EXACTLY how difficult it is to be pregnant or to raise children. We aren’t ivory tower philosophers or religious nut cases.
We are actually people who think that we should be shepherding the poor and the suffering, and that includes the unwed mother, the unexpectedly expecting mother, the rape victim and the victim of her own poor judgment in men. We disagree to the core with the pro-abortion people, about how one cares for the poor, the struggling and the truely suffering, and we do want good care for these women, for their children, for their WHOLE families. Such care includes emotional and spiritual care and support, not just obstetric.