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Lauren Mitchell struggled to adjust to her new role as a doula. She is one of many trained, as the Greek term literally means, to assist in childbirth. “What you get very used to is this weird mix of tragedy and relief and sex and death — this wild variety of emotions,” she says. “There’s always this interesting mix of remorse and relief.”
If that doesn’t sound like a traditional birth experience to you, you’re right. Lauren is an abortion doula, taught to coach mothers not in the birth, but killing of children. She is 1 of dozens of volunteers with The Doula Project in Manhattan. The group covertly works in 2 unidentified abortion mills, including 1 that specializes in late-term abortions.
~Bradley Mattes, ChristianPost, September 7
Sep.08, 2010 10:23 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
I wonder what you have to do to be considered a success in the abortion doula industry. Women come back to you for their next abortions? Women recommend you to their friends? The women you work with are more relieved than remorseful?
Maybe there is such a mix of emotions because you are witnessing the death of a child?!! But the spin is “remorse and relief?” What?? No joy??
So instead of helping women through a crisis pregnancy, you help her kill her child. Lovely.
The rest of the article is very good.
If abortion is sold as “no big deal” then why would anyone need a doula to help them through it??
That’s awful. If a woman has been pregnant for several months, she obviously spent part of those months NOT wanting an abortion. What drives a woman to such a loathesome procedure? She should be helped through her personal crisis, NOT helped to murder a child who can hear and recognize his mother’s voice.
Grief? Why would there be grief, if it’s just a blob of tissue? Remorse? About what? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Lord have mercy. Couldn’t this young woman use her time and talents to help in other situations instead of help when a mother is having her child killed? I wonder why she thought she should help in this way.
I thought that there was no problems with abortion – none at all – and if that is the case, why have a doula?
Safe, legal and rare. Good grief.
“Another described how she helped a mother by simply blocking her view of lethal injection syringes and an ultrasound monitor with her soon-to-be dead baby’s image on it”
Yes, by all means hide the truth from the mother.
Lauren Mitchell could not be more deceived. She believes she’s helping these women, like the proverbial good Samaritan, when the brutal fact of the matter is she’s an accessory to multiple murders.
Her hands are covered with the blood of innocent babies.
She’s a serial killer with a smile.
What you get very used to is this weird mix of tragedy and relief and sex and death — this wild variety of emotions,”
Huh?
Struggled? Like the serial killer in Silence of the Lambs?
Coaching people through abortions? What’s with the whole death fetish thing? Is this demonic possession? Her sentence above doesn’t even make sense. Is she struggling or not? Is there some sort of sexual perversion with helping a woman abort her child?
So we now have anti-doulas, which is about as offensive as having a personal shooting instructor for Scott Roeder - to ensure he could deal with his mixed emotions and help keep focused on tight shot groupings in the heat of the moment.
Perhaps Lauren had escaped from a psychiatric ward – but it looks like the entire ward escaped.
From here on out – all claims that pro-lifers demonize pro-aborts should be completely dismissed – because pro-aborts do a much better job of demonizing themselves.
Oh dear God, what is this world coming to?
Phillymiss – you said it!
What if the doula botches the abortion and the child survives? Does she nurture the child, or is that above her pay grade?
Chris,
Evil from the pit of hell. Satan is all over the abortion biz.
Good question, Janet.
Stories like this just make me speechless. Our Jewish friends become livid when we compare the Holocaust to abortion, but in this case, I think its apropos. (sp)?
Did anyone see “The Boy In the Striped Pajamas?” There’s a scene where the Nazi commandants are planning the “final solution” for a nearby concentration camp. They’re just planning the extermination of thousands of innocent people so calmly, like they’re organizing an outing to a museum or something. I am not going to give away the ending, but yes, I cried . . . and cried, just like this story makes me want to cry. The late-term babies being aborted here are NOT “blobs.”
I have a coworker who used to work at an abortion clinic and she talks about it with so little emotion, like she was describing flipping burgers.
QUESTION: How can these women sleep at night?
There are lots of OB/GYNs who perform abortion too. I find that hard to comprehend. You’d think an OB would, you know, be passionate about childbirth, babies, women…so to offer abortion as part of your services, seems schizophrenic to me.
Here’s a blog written by an OB/GYN describing how she converted from prolife to prochoice and began offering abortions to her clients. She’s honest about what an emotional struggle it was for her at first, but as you read, you’ll see/feel/hear the gradual deadening/searing of her conscience. I felt deeply sad and disturbed after reading it. Here’s the link:
“Standing For What You Believe In: An OB/GYN’s Thoughts on Abortion”
http://www.owningpink.com/blogs/owning-pink/standing-what-you-believe-obgyn%E2%80%99s-thoughts-abortion
Great question Phillymiss.
All one has to do to properly gauge how far we have fallen in terms of morality as a society is to view a good classic movie from the 50’s or 60’s.
There is no question we are living in what the Bible refers to as the Last Days.
The Bible says, “…evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.” 2Ti 3.13
Jesus said: “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.” Lu 17.26-30
Jesus said before His return, it would be like the day of Noah when, “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.” (Ge 6.11) He said it would be like Sodom and Gomorrah, when the men of the city “were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the Lord” (Ge 13.13) and wanted to rape the (angels disguised as) men that were visiting their city. (Ge 19.5)
We see this type of moral corruption and depravity on the rise in our neighborhoods and around the world.
Come Lord Jesus!
Bekah, how disgusting. This line ” But I swear — it’s the weirdest thing — I honestly feel like God made me do it” made me want to scream. It wasn’t God.
Evil from the pit of hell. Satan is all over the abortion biz.
Carla – a manifestation of spiritual war – the truth is being revealed. Desperation will increase, and while it may seem more violent and insane (as we can see), God is purging the nations, refining as through fire. What remains will be more pure. His children will see the truth. And one day, every knee will bend, and every tongue confess…
Ed – Amen – Come, Lord Jesus!
Phillymiss – QUESTION: How can these women sleep at night?
Perhaps the Lord allows this to happen so we can pray for the salvation of these women? He not only saves eternally, but also in this life.
Bekah, et al., the thing that strikes me most about these posts is that it seems like it boils down to four words: IT’S ALL ABOUT ME. The good doctor mentions so many hard case scenarios, but basically most abortions are done for social reasons, not because of rape, incest, fetal deformity, etc.. Yes, I know it’s not politically correct, and I’m being judgmental, but there is a great deal of selfishness involved in this issue. And no one ONCE mentions adoption.
I will never buy any of this woman’s books, that’s for sure!
These misguided people should NOT be called “Doula’s”…typical pro-abort talk, always twisting the good into something very, very bad.
What’s wrong with being called “Abortion assistants” or abortion interns?
Hypocrites…call yourselves what you really are and what you’re doing and face up to it…stop lying to yourselves and your victims.
Hey Phillymiss,
I’ve seen The Boy in the Striped Pajamas (and read The Giver).
The similiarities found between both the movie (and the book) and our abortion culture are creepy.
These “doula’s” should maybe called releasers.
Some these women actually LIE to their friends about what they do. One friend of mine thinks her friend is actually delivering babies because she’s a ‘midwife’ at an abortion clinic. Hello, McFly, if no live babies ever exit the front door of the clinic – guess what your midwife does for a living?!
Lauren
Bekah, how disgusting. This line ” But I swear — it’s the weirdest thing — I honestly feel like God made me do it” made me want to scream. It wasn’t God.
Lauren, how do you know? I thought god worked in mysterious ways? I thought it was impossible for a human to have full understanding of god’s true plan? What gives you the clarity to say someone else’s holy revelation is incorrect? Out of curiosity, do you get holiday pay working as god’s true voice and where do you hide your wings?
I find it ironic that Anti-choicers scream on and on about how abortion harms women mentally and spiritually, but when someone tries to help the few women who deal with these, ends of pregnancy, issues they are ridiculed and disrespected. You know this type of counseling has been offered to women who have had miscarriages or whose child was born with SIDS for quite a long time now, but the minute this counseling is extended to women suffering the same issues but caused by abortions, that same counselor is now a bad person who can’t sleep at night?
RSD
Is it that we are lying or that your rhetoric is slanted with distain? You seem to have the misconception that Pro-Choicers are incorrect about or deliberately misleading themselves about what an abortion is or what it does. We read the same medical books as you all have “minus the King James one” and we simply came to a different conclusion than you guys, the same conclusion that the American Medical Assoc. came up with as well. We are not unintelligent or less informed than you, we simply disagree with your medical minority opinion. No one is giving misleading information to abortion patience, you might disagree with the info being given out but it is all approved by the A.M.A.
Talk about misleading terminology packed with distain…
Women Health Clinic = Abortuary? Guess we will just ignore the other 95% of what they do…
Women’s Clinic Doctors = Baby Killers? I call them Doctors but if you must, call them fetus removers, as a matter of accuracy and not sensationalism.
Pro-Choice = Pro-aborts? We don’t want more abortions; we want equal and private access to all women’s health procedures. We are Pro-Freedom. You are Pro-Fascism.
Thanks Biggz, for trying to reason with the nice people here. It has to be done, but I’ve grown tired.
Hal, what Biggz does is not considered “reasoning”. I will give YOU the credit of that word, but not Biggz. His posts invariably turn into histrionic rants and insults. You at least have enough intelligence to form an argument based upon what you think is true… not baseles smears. At least not often (the above comment is closer to the line than you usually stray).
Biggz,
We are taught in the Bible that there are those who appear as if they were angels of light who are truly demons hiding their true forms. The way to know whether a voice is truly of God is not by how it “feels”… but by comparing what it says to the teachings of the Holy Bible.
As the teachings of the Holy Bible specifically condemn the very actions this woman claims are her instructions from God, the only logical conclusion is that she is being deluded by a voice that is demonic in origin, not heavenly.
A good book to read is called Sedona Storm. It is in story format, but it is a powerful example of the delusion and self-delusion present in the abortion industry and how the blood of the innocents is to increase the power and bloodlust of demons and those humans they have deluded.
See here’s the funny thing I didn’t inject GOD into the conversation, you guys did.
Hal – I have tried but there is not a lot of actual thinking going on in here just faith in the truth. It would seem that without you and I this would just be one big echo chambers of false facts and demonized hate. It is hard to argue with a believer simply because they have already resigned themselves to faith. Faith put simply is to believe in something without facts to back it up or proof if you will. How can one argue facts with a group of people who have already decided to throw the need for facts out the window? You will never be able to change their opinion with facts because they didn’t use facts to form their opinion in the first place.
To quote Douglas Adams “It would be like trying to attack an insane asylum with a banana.”
Biggz,
Still waiting for you to cite your sources that a growing, living, preborn human IS NOT killed in an abortion. Thems the facts. Can’t wait to see what you come up with. Because your side has all of the facts and all we have is false facts, right Biggz???Oh and God. We have God.
You are the one that always has to drag God into everything. :)
Hi Hal,
I miss you. I am sorry you are tired of trying to engage here. I will never tire of fighting for the lives of preborn humans and their mothers.
Praying you join me someday.
Biggz, you are NOT in the same league as Hal. Do not try to compare yourself to him. At least it is possible to have intelligent conversations with him.
And I agree with Carla…. we have presented you with many, many facts. Your only response to them is to say that we have no facts. (Therefore you do not have to try to actually discuss the facts.)
It’s like listening to the Obama administration try to claim that the Republicans have no plans whilst simultaneously refusing to allow Republicans to present their plans.
“Lauren, how do you know? I thought god worked in mysterious ways? I thought it was impossible for a human to have full understanding of god’s true plan? What gives you the clarity to say someone else’s holy revelation is incorrect? Out of curiosity, do you get holiday pay working as god’s true voice and where do you hide your wings?”
Because ”
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” (John 10:10-11)”
oh this is just a travesty.
As a woman who had a doula for 3 of my 4 births, I am deeply offended and I think most women who are doulas would be too!
What bothers me most is that this is yet another word and another good thing that has been taken over and made evil.
Hal – I have tried but there is not a lot of actual thinking going on in here
In your posts? No, apparently not.
Out of curiosity, how do you respond to agnostic/atheist pro-lifers? Not all pro-lifers are religious, you know.
Didn’t you know, Lucy? The fact that there are sidewalk counselors who happen to be religious means that ALL pro-lifers are religious (according to Biggz) and it’s just a stealth religious attack when they pretend to be agnostic or atheist.
I think one of my sisters used a Doula…but NOT to help her abort her baby, but to give birth to her baby. From what I understand the doula was helpful in the labor and delivery and adjusting to motherhood.
I thought Doulas were people who helped women give birth to alive babies not have abortions. What’s next? Abortion Mid-wives?
I can see a doula or midwife helping a woman who regret abortion, but to help them HAVE the abortions? That doesn’t make sense!
Actually, the concept of abortion doulas or midwives should be so abhorrent, especially to those of us of the Judeo-Christian heritage. In ancient Egypt during the time of the Hebrew slavery, there were strict orders for the midwives to murder the male babies of all Hebrew women as they were being born (kind of like the original partial birth abortion). Many of the Egyptian midwives were so horrified at the concept of murdering babies that they lied to the authorities, saying that the Hebrew women simply gave birth so quickly that they didn’t have time to get to the baby before it was already out and nursing. Then the soldiers just started murdering the male babies outright… hence the need for Moses’ mother to put him into the little handmade raft on the Nile where he was found by Pharoah’s daughter and adopted by her. (Smart big sister that he had, she even managed to make sure his own mother ended up as his wet-nurse!)
“I find it ironic that Anti-choicers scream on and on about how abortion harms women mentally and spiritually, but when someone tries to help the few women who deal with these, ends of pregnancy, issues they are ridiculed and disrespected. You know this type of counseling has been offered to women who have had miscarriages or whose child was born with SIDS for quite a long time now, but the minute this counseling is extended to women suffering the same issues but caused by abortions, that same counselor is now a bad person who can’t sleep at night?”
Biggz,
Abortion is not a type of “end of pregnancy.” It’s the end of the baby. It is never, ever the same as a miscarriage because it is the intentional ending of the baby by violent means, not a naturally-occurring, undesired, unpreventable loss.
And please, please get some clue as to what you’re saying. Babies are never, ever, ever, ever, born with SIDS.
Biggz,
Again you have no idea what you are talking about. Who do you think runs so many of the abortion recovery services and counseling and post abortive ministries??? I am a Rachel’s Vineyard facilitator, a state leader for Operation Outcry, and am indeed the one women call, email and facebook for abortion recovery referrals in my neck of the woods. Who better to help post abortive women than one who has been through it?? You? How many post abortive women have you helped? How many young, single scared pregnant women that do NOT want an abortion have you been there for?
BUT, BUT, BUT Biggz why would counseling be needed if abortion doesn’t hurt anyone?? Anytime I have mentioned my story here or the stories of my friends that have been hurt by abortion you have called me a liar. Or stated that I only tell my story for attention. So which is it Biggz?? Do you believe women can and are hurt by abortion or not? Cue the back peddaling and name calling.
Oh and this “abortion doula” is NOT THERE if years later a woman is struggling with nightmares, depression, or suicidal thoughts. She is there to help a woman deliver a dead baby. That is all she does. She is not a counselor by any stretch of the imagination.
Hi there Biggz.
I’m usually online here during the day, and you’re usually online at night, but let’s maybe really try and hammer this thing out. You claim that being against abortion is a religious position. Okay, fair enough. I’d like to convince you, though, that while most pro-lifers may indeed be religious, correlation does not imply causation (hey, I’m teaching that to my class next week!) and I think that if we look at the best reason there is to be against abortion, we will see that it is not inherently religious at its core, but that it appeals to those principles which any rational human being can accept. So let me start with the following syllogism, and we can go deep into each premise and see if there is any hidden religious ideas there.
1. It is always morally wrong to directly take the life of an innocent human being.
2. Abortion directly takes the life of an innocent human being.
Therefore, abortion is always morally wrong.
If the argument is indeed religious, at least one of the two premises has a hidden religious component to it. What do you think the religious part of it is? Talk to you later, sir.
Oh and I have had two miscarriages. Was not offered counseling for either one. Why do women need counseling for passing a blob?? Tissue?? A clump of cells??
Keep swinging Mr. Biggz.
Hi Carla, I don’t see see many minds being changed, and –in fact–I have no desire to change your mind on abortion. I would like to see more people change their views on other issues, such as gay rights, etc. I don’t think there is anything I could say to you (or the others here) to make them think abortion should remain legal.
Unless the right to abortion is seriously in jeopardy, I’ll remain mostly on the sidelines.
You don’t see minds being changed but I have. It is amazing.
Ever wonder about which direction that moves? Proabortion to prolife.
Nope. Changing my mind about abortion is a no win for anyone willing to try.
Don’t be a stranger, Hal.
Yooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooo Biggz???!!
There are lots of OB/GYNs who perform abortion too. I find that hard to comprehend. You’d think an OB would, you know, be passionate about childbirth, babies, women…so to offer abortion as part of your services, seems schizophrenic to me.
I’ve read so many creepy stories about OB/GYN abortionists that it makes me tempted to avoid medical treatment for nine months if/when I get pregnant someday. Can’t criticize without being hypocrites, pro-choicers – it’s my body, remember?
I used to love the idea of getting pregnant and having a baby – now, while I still love the idea of having a baby, the idea of being pregnant scares me because I don’t want to be at the hands of people who would have no issue killing the baby they’re supposed to be taking care of if I told them to.
Marauder,
It certainly helps to have a prolife OB/GYN!! Here is an easy way to find one. :)
http://www.aaplog.org/aaplog-physician-directory/
I happen to think the OB/GYN I had when I experienced a miscarriage was proabortion. She didn’t care in the least about how I was feeling or what I was thinking. She wanted me out of her office! Told me I would pass a “plum sized clot.”
Found a prolife dr soon after that!
Carla, you may not believe this, but in high school I was anti-abortion. Not in huge way, hadn’t given it much thought. But that’s where I started out. I moved in the other direction.
Now, I see both sides. I understand more of the pro life side. I still don’t favor a government ban, and probably never will. I’m less willing to demonize you guys (for your anti – abortion views at least).
Hal, I see what you’re saying, but while I do believe the “I haven’t really thought about it” kind of person could easily be swayed to the pro-abort side, you don’t see passionate pro-lifers becoming pro-choice, while ardent, militant pro-choicers DO (not often enough, but still, they do) become passionately pro-life.
And seriously, we miss you around here when you’re gone, Hal. We end up having conversations with people who think that “it’s so cuz I said so and if you say anything to show my facts are incorrect, well, then, it just means those facts don’t matter cuz I said so” is the height of rational discourse.
Elisabeth, thanks for your kind words. I think, perhaps, I’m just more polite. (usually–sometimes a few here can bring me off my game)
Hal,
I believe it. Something happened to you to change your mind. Your life experience has drawn you here. I wouldn’t hurt you for the world but knowing your story like I do gives me much compassion for you.
I will miss you for all of the things that Elisabeth said! You have never been at all disrespectful of me or my story and that has endeared you to me. I have always appreciated your honesty, Hal.
Yeah, I don’t know if you’ve seen that, Hal… but the poster above, Biggz, every time Carla brings up her personal story calls her a liar who is just out for publicity. It’s simply unacceptable and adds nothing to the discussion.
You at least disagree with positions… but still treat people like people.
Don’t forget that according to Biggz, I tell my abortion story for attention and sympathy as well. :P
well,I’m all for encouraging both sides to treat people like people.
I’ll stick around to long enough for Bobby to see that gay people should be allowed to get married, for Ken to realize Obama is just a Democrat, not a demon, and for Phil to lighten up and laugh a little.
Carla, I respect your story and your point of view. I hope that in the future no one has an abortion they don’t want, and no one is denied an abortion they do want.
Oooh. Then you will be here for a loooooooonnnngggg time, Hal!! ha
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Phil laugh at least once….
And Bobby may not agree with gay marriage, but he still agrees that they are people so I think that falls into the “disagree with the position but still treat people like people” camp.
As for Ken and the Obama not a demon thing…. um, yeah, I’m with Carla… that’s gonna be a hell froze over thing. But yay on you sticking around forever!!!
Besides Carla, I have the most hope for Bobby to mature over the next few years and find out that his theology can support a more complicated view of the world and a broader sense of justice and love. I really see it in him, although he does not yet see it in himself.
“I used to love the idea of getting pregnant and having a baby – now, while I still love the idea of having a baby, the idea of being pregnant scares me because I don’t want to be at the hands of people who would have no issue killing the baby they’re supposed to be taking care of if I told them to.”
Marauder – I’d recommend a certified midwife. I had an OB for my first two pregnancies but decided to go with a midwife for my third (I’m 30 weeks). A world of difference! :)