Quote of the Day 9-7-10
I used to think that the abortion industry were simply capitalists who allowed their greed to override their humanity. I used to think that maybe it was just feminism run amok and that cooler heads would eventually prevail. I used to think that pro-lifers were simply up against the extreme of secularized logic. Over the past few years though I’ve come to believe that it’s more than that. It’s worse than that. We’re immersed in a culture with a death fetish. Our fascination with death is boundless.
Our culture increasingly sees humanity as the problem. We elevate animals in order to grant them human rights and increasingly view humans as animals.
… Maybe it was always this way and I am simply more aware of it now. But maybe on the other hand we’ve stepped off a cliff here. Maybe things actually are getting worse. Maybe all the standards and rules we as a society saw as bars of a cage were actually protecting us. From each other.
~Matthew Archbold, National Catholic Register, September 5
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“Our culture increasingly sees humanity as the problem. We elevate animals in order to grant them human rights and increasingly view humans as animals.”
This. This is what troubles me about the pro-abortion movement. And don’t get me started on vegetarian pro-aborts. Yikes.
Amen, brother.
When one member of a species wants to destroy himself, that is a mental illness that can manifest as the death of the individual. When numerous members of a species sees themselves as a blight and seeks to compromise or destroy their own species, that is a mental illness that has become a social disease, a society-wide epidemic. Our world is in desperate need of healing!
“We elevate animals in order to grant them human rights and increasingly view humans as animals.”
Story that hit too close for comfort:
Jill’s place recently pointed out the companies that have ties with Planned Parenthood. I knew of some already but was sadly surprised about others especially those places I had patronized. I read this list to my family and made it clear we would not be dropping money at these businesses due to their prodeath associations.
My 16 year old daughter pitched a fit about where we would get school clothes saying, “What’s the big deal? We won’t make any difference anyway. C’mon Mom! I love their food!” etc., etc.
This coming from a child who has made me a list for years of what products not to buy based on animal product testing. I have seen her in tears after learning of how some chicken farms operate.
Needless to say I was dismayed. My children hear a strong prolife message in our home. What about those who are not exposed to any prolife thinking?
This has indeed become a very STRONG society-wide epidemic.
Maybe Humans are evolving and getting smarter. Maybe Humans are beginning to realize that religion is nothing more than a mental and spiritual crutch for the weak minded, so they can cope with the harshness of reality and their own insignificance in this vast universe. Maybe what you see as a decline in society’s standards is really a new beginning into the next age of man. The age of science is here to finally replace the age of false gods and superstitions…
Open your mind to the possibilities outside the lies you have been taught since you were children and innocently gullible…
“We elevate animals in order to grant them human rights and increasingly view humans as animals.”
It would be more accurate to state:
We elevate animals in order to grant them equal rights with humans and increasingly view some humans as less equal than the animal.
America is a post chirstian culture.
When the baby boomers have reached their none productive years and their resources are depelted, then the camel and the rest of his herd will have slid down the slippery slope into the the tent and there will be no where in the brave new world to escape the barbarism of the humanist tyrants.
Hunker down brethren. It is going to be a rough century or two.
Biggz September 7th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
1. “Maybe Humans are evolving and getting smarter.
2. Maybe Humans are beginning to realize that religion is nothing more than a mental and spiritual crutch for the weak minded, so they can cope with the harshness of reality and their own insignificance in this vast universe.
3. Maybe what you see as a decline in society’s standards is really a new beginning into the next age of man.”
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Biggz,
History IS prologue.
1. Humans are stupid and I do not see any objective indicators that support the notion that ‘evolution’ has been able to ameliortate that affliction.
2. While I agree that ’relgion’ does not help stupid, [it actually aggravates the condition] the agreement with the notion we are nothing more than a bag of biological material that will eventually fall over and rot does not promote a kinder gentler society. Just the opposite.
If we embrace the materialisitic world view and reject the concept of ’right and wrong’, then evolution, which says the stronger will prevail and the weaker will cease to exist, would lead us to live only for the moment and do whatever we believe we can get away with to find immediate gratification for any and all of our desires; food, clothing, shelter, transportation, pleasure.
You only have to look back to Germany and the rise of the Third Reich or the rise of communisim in the Soviet Union and the Great Leap Off the Cliff in China to see what kind of society humanistic materialism produces.
If you reject the concept natual law which says our ‘right’ are the gifts of god, then the only alternative is to say our ‘rights’ are granted by the state and by extension our fellow humans, and if the state grants them then it has the power to rescind them.
Are you willing to grant to persons such as yourself the power to determine who does or does not possess a life worthy of living?
[Read a little about the blood letting of the French Revolution]
3. Please refer to 1 and 2.
Recomended reading [Google it]:
Medical Science Under Dictatorship
Author: Leo Alexander, M.D. (October 11, 1905 – July 20, 1985) medical investigator for Secretary of War Robert P. Patterson and an aide to the chief counsel at the Nuremberg war crimes trials.
Title: Medical Science Under Dictatorship
Larger Work: The New England Journal of Medicine
Pages: 39-47
Publisher & Date: Massachusetts Medical Society, July 14, 1949
Biggz,
How come you always have to bring up religion and cram it down our throats?
Biggz came in and made a religiously inflammatory post when in fact all the other text before his had no religious dogma whatsoever (despite the reference to the Catholic Register, the source of the quote). Biggz is baiting people, fishing for bites. Anti-religious people can seem quite zealous, do they not? And one can’t help but notice the lack of ability to address all the references to societal illness that do exist in the texts above. The other trollish pro-abortion posters who come over here show such similar characteristics, one can’t help but wonder if there are actually less individuals posting than ID’s being used. Referencing another blog entry and its thread of comments, one can’t help but notice how few yet loud the abortion advocates are on the interwebs.
Carla and ninek, I’m noticing that trend from these trolls as well. We have two of them who are pretty active right now.
MaryLee, who posted in agreement with the (gasp! Catholic!) author of the article, is not a religious person. So, I think it’s safe to say that those with a religious obsession on this site might be the pro-aborts who keep bringing it up. :D
Well I have stated before that I believe the entire Anti-Choice movement is based on religious beliefs and not scientific facts.
However, in this post I am suggesting that maybe as a race we are moving away from the ideas and explanations presented to us over 2000 years ago and maybe looking to the future for the answers to life’s questions. Such is the nature of evolution itself.
If the “Pro-life” movement is not based on religious beliefs then please explain to me why the protesters across the street I am looking at as I type, are ALL holding a rosary and praying in front of a PP? Why do “Pro-life” protesters hold “prayer vigils” outside women health clinics? You know your Sidewalk Counselors kind of give their true intensions away when they carry a rosary, bible, and say things like “the way girls dress today… or I will pray for you”. If you have a problem with the “Pro-Life” movement being classified as a religious movement, then maybe you should talk to your protesters. I have personally had holy water thrown across my back as I walked into the PP across the street. It was followed by a blessing from the little old woman who threw it so I just said “thank you” and continued on my way. I understand that the “Pro-Life” movement may have many little sub-sects but its backbone is the Catholic Church.
I mean seriously do I have to quote all the “God bless you’s” in this forum in just the last two weeks? Do I need to quote just the blessings laid down by the forum moderators like Carla? Do I really need to spend the next two days listing all the Catholic backed Pro-Life websites and protests? Don’t deny the obvious or continue to mislead yourself Kel.
You seem to confuse the fact that there are many religious people within the pro-life movement with the fact that there are both religious and scientific reasons to oppose abortion.
We have freedom of religion in this country. Yes, a large number of people who are willing to take time out of their day to attempt to keep a woman from causing herself grave harm and her child death ARE religious. They are allowed to be religious and there is no reason for them to hide the fact that they are religious.
That does not mean that there are not scientific, non-religious moral and ethical, or other secular reasons to oppose abortion and those pro-lifers have the right to speak about what they stand for and why…. and you don’t get to redefine for them that they must be a part of a “religious movement” simply because there are other pro-lifers who ARE religious.
Yes Elisabeth, but your “Scientific reasons” are not very scientific simply because you guys do not follow the scientific method. You form you opinion on religious beliefs and then go out and cherry pick and frame scientific tidbits to fit into your predetermined agenda. That’s not how science works in the real world. Why has the A.M.A. not switched to your line of scientific facts? Well they also see the political and religious framing being done here and they tend to follow and understand the science better than we do.
So, rather than trying to bully women in crisis into your line of thinking, maybe you should take your case and all the facts you have gathered to the A.M.A. and enlighten them to your truth. If your view and the facts you have compiled to support it can hold water they will change their recommendation to the Supreme Court. I think this has already been tried a couple times and the preponderance of the evidence did not support your claims. So, I guess it is back to bullying women with names, threats, and false guilt out in front of health clinics, as it is your only recourse.
If you have the medical facts and enough creditable doctors to back up your claim to the A.M.A. you could shut down abortion in this country as it would be unsafe to women and murder to babies… but you don’t so you can’t… Where’s my bully signs?
I mean seriously do I have to quote all the “God bless you’s” in this forum in just the last two weeks? Do I need to quote just the blessings laid down by the forum moderators like Carla? Do I really need to spend the next two days listing all the Catholic backed Pro-Life websites and protests? Don’t deny the obvious or continue to mislead yourself Kel.
So, is it your position, then, that those who ascribe to any faith at all are wholly unscientific?
And if you are having such anxiety attacks reading “God bless you” on a forum, perhaps you should find another forum. Jill is a Christian, and many of the pro-life posters here are Christian, but not all. “God bless you” is THAT offensive to you? Wow.
Could you kindly state what you believe are the “cherry picked” medical facts based on “religious beliefs” to which pro-lifers ascribe?
So, I guess it is back to bullying women with names, threats, and false guilt out in front of health clinics, as it is your only recourse.
No, that’s not our only recourse, but the fact that you feel the need to gloat is very revealing. Why are you so threatened by us? While you come here to a pro-life website and bully pro-lifers (whether or not we ascribe to any particular faith, though it appears you don’t believe groups like secularprolife.org exist), we offer women alternatives at pregnancy resource centers, for those who want those alternatives. But I get it… none of that matters, because we’re just peddling “guilt,” right?