Quote of the Day 12-13-10
While there are so many possibilities, I have to stop myself from this vicious loop-de-loop of over-thinking. I can not wonder “what if?”
This is the path that I chose, while trusting in God, an endocrinologist, a high-risk OB and a rabbi, who encouraged me to follow my heart.
~Shira Hirschman Weiss, discussing her IVF procedure and the resulting “selective reduction” of the 3rd of her triplet sons, The Huffington Post, December 12
Dec.13, 2010 11:16 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Trust in God? No, you trusted doctors who would do what you asked for money. That’s who you really trusted. When you had 3 children developing together, you didn’t trust in God. You killed one out of fear. That kind of trust, God doesn’t need.
It’s bad enough when atheists call the Bible a fairy tale and unjustly blame religion for all the ills in the world. It’s worse when people claim to be rabbis and claim to believe in God then spit in God’s face and justify killing his children.
So the God and religion thing is okay, if you feel that God tells you it’s okay to kill your baby?
Ugh, this is so disgusting. Selfish, disgusting, a waste. A waste. There is nothing brave about this decision. It is cowardly and violent.
In what way is killing a child trusting in anything but your own selfish desires?
My heart is sick at the loss of her son and at the fact that she claimed to be trusting God when she allowed someone with a fancy title to kill him.
It’s bad enough when atheists call the Bible a fairy tale and unjustly blame religion for all the ills in the world. It’s worse when people claim to be rabbis and claim to believe in God then spit in God’s face and justify killing his children.
Yeah, I get the feeling that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not overly happy with this rabbi at the moment…
One would hope that a religious leader would be a good person, but that’s not necessarily the case.
I cannot wonder “what if?”
You mean “what if” I let my son live? Oh no. Can’t go there.
The photo is haunting.
If Bobbi Macaughey could carry SEVEN and they all survived( and so did SHE), you could carry THREE…come on, lady!
Encouraged you to “follow my heart”? And, as a mother, your “heart” told you to kill one of your children???
So sad. Why did she write this article? If she wrote it in order to receive affirmation based on her decision, I’m afraid she’s going to be disappointed. Instead of going to the doctor the last time, she should have tried to conceive on her own first. She’s wrong to call reduction a “partial abortion”; a fetus is not “reduced”, the NUMBER of fetuses are reduced, by the action of killing one or more (one in this case). Praying for her and that other women will not follow in her footsteps.
Yeah, God had nothing to do with this decision…..
We are friends with a family who had one little boy and then conceived triplet girls. They are all gorgeous little girls. The woman who gave birth has rheumatoid arthritis and a heart condition. So, these children were little miracles and their mother was monitored as a high risk pregnancy. She did great, they are great, and not once was selective reduction considered.
I cannot imagine writing an article about this to justify it, and yet tell people “it’s my business.” Since she saw fit to broadcast this murder in the Huffington Post, it’s now everyone’s business. And it makes me very sad. It makes me grieve for what her family has lost. The world has lost another smile, another giggle, another boo-boo to kiss. It makes me cry just thinking about it. I hate abortion, with every ounce of my being. If I had the money and resources, I’d adopt scores of children. They are worthy. They are valuable.
The other day, I walked into a pet store at a mall in another town. They had “baby cribs” all set up with puppies in them. And I saw the little puppies, jumping up just wanting to be held and loved. Good Lord, if a DOG can do that, can you imagine the human need to be loved and held?? I got emotional and had to walk out, with my family looking at me like I was nuts. I said, “I want to take very single dog in that store home. Can you imagine if I visited an orphanage?” :(
Mary Lee, I can’t help but notice she didn’t hear what she wanted from the first rabbi so she kept looking until she was “validated.”
Back in the mid 80’s all we heard about were the poor, desperate, helpless women that need abortion. Now we see its true face. A woman who can pay for all the fertility treatment just doesn’t want that pesky other kid. It’s not even about an unplanned pregnancy, but as if children were eggrolls and we just don’t want so many on our plate.
Ninek, well said. It’s a perfect example of children as commodities. We want them, but we want the best, the most designer, and if we have to go to extreme measures to get them, well, we better get what we pay for and nothing more or less.
Okay, after reading some more comments here, I read the entire article and not just the quote. Now not only is my heart sick over the murder of her son and the fact that she tried to claim she was trusting God, but now I’m thoroughly annoyed and sufficiently angry. I mean, I was angry before, but it’s much, much worse.
First, she wasn’t even sure that she wanted a third child and she said it was up to God, but then when He decided to bless her with three more children, oh, that just wouldn’t do. She had to find some excuse–and a rabbi that would support her (and thus not anger her)–to reduce that number, which inevitability meant that one of her children would have to die.
Second, she is such a whiner! In the opening of her article, she makes it sound like she has this awful pregnancy history (not that a troubled pregnancy history is reason to kill a child–it isn’t!). She goes on about her premature baby like he was just horribly premature. He was 1 week away from being considered full-term. A lot of babies born that early don’t even have any problems and if they do, it’s usually very minor (like they have to be in the hospital for a few days because they can’t maintain their body temp, for example). I’m sorry, but with the pregnancy history I have had, she just sounds like nothing but a big baby, whining about nothing. I admit I have had no problem getting pregnant ever and I have children that, despite it all, are healthy, extremely strong and intelligent (to the point they blow everyone away). My first I developed HELLP syndrome (a form of preeclampsia) and he had to be born early to save us both. He was born at 34 weeks. My second was full term, but I had a mild case of GD with her. My third… he’s a fighter and a survivor and throughout, God’s message to me was that He saves/rescues. My third got a tear in his placenta at the end of 10 weeks, putting me on bed rest (as much as was possible with me having two other little ones) until the tear healed at 20-some weeks. But it didn’t end there. At 27 weeks, 1 day, my water broke and a few hours later I started having contractions. He was born that night. He was small, but praise God, he was ahead of the game maturity wise. It was the hardest time of my entire life. It was hard physically, it was so hard emotionally and, at times, even spiritually. I was pumping 8-10 hours a day to ensure that he would get my milk and that he would be exclusively breastfed until he was at least a year old (and he has been). I wanted to give up every day, but I kept going for him. Would I ever want to repeat that? No. Would I wish it on anyone? No. But kill any of my children over it? That’s a big NO WAY, NOT EVER! Again, praise God he is a completely healthy, super happy, crazy and funny 15 months old. I’m thankful every day that God spared his life and that he has had no complications from being premature. But again, even if he had had complications, I’d never even fathom killing one of my children! Now I am 28 weeks pregnant with our 4th child (she was a bit of a “surprise” but I’m glad God decided to surprise us :) ). Thankfully, so far, the only complication I have had is a horrible skin condition that has been difficult to treat and treating it will probably lead to me having GD again this time (I hope not, but it’s probably inevitable). I’m hoping and praying that she is full term. I loved the experience of having a full term baby. But when I hear women whine because they have had one complication in a previous pregnancy, especially one so minor as a baby born at 36 weeks, and they use that as an excuse to kill any of their children, it makes my blood boil!
*deep breath* okay… sorry about that novel, but I had to get that off my chest!
I’ll just finish with this since she felt the need to go on about “following her heart” and this is from the Old Testament too: The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?–Jer. 17:9 (NKJV)
The Jewish People are still awaiting the Messiah…you’d think they’d be AGAINST abortion!
Thank you for telling us of your experience, Julie P. My little girl was/is healthy despite being born at 33 weeks. Prayers for you and your little one, hon’. ;)
Good point, Liz!
So the God and religion thing is okay, if you feel that God tells you it’s okay to kill your baby?
Seems like that’s the new pro-abortion mantra — abortion is okay as long as you consult a “religious” figure (the Killer Rabbi in the article or Sleazy Veasey) and do it “prayerfully.” You know, God as the Great Options Counselor In the Sky.
I wonder if the remaining children ever get to see this article, what they will have to say to Mom?
oh – my heart breaks for this family and the un-needed loss of their little boy.
The picture is truly haunting, and I remember reading about a woman whose mother had an abortion – and they aborted her twin. She lived, and when she was an adult, she also had an abortion, and she ended up aborting a twin as well. She was always haunted by dreams of others close to her, in water, and she surmises that she was dreaming about her aborted sibling. Thank goodness, she is now in recovery and is pro-life and is speaking about her experiences.
I agree with other posters here – this is getting to be a designer-baby situation where women and men want what they want, when they want it. And it’s too bad that the medical personnel, and now the religious leaders are going along and supporting something so destructive.
Ah – what a tangled web we weave. And this was one of the reasons why the Church was saying that IVF was not ok spiritually.
Goodness. So much self-inflicted difficulty. That poor child, and his siblings will know that he was discarded. I wonder about how they will feel about that in the future.
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “All right, then, have it your way.”
–C.S. Lewis
If this abortion reduction was just between her God, her doctor, and her family, why is she making this story public? And why did her fellow Canadians have to pay for it?
Yeah, isn’t it a matter of “privacy”….?? If it’s so private, why are they talking about it? Gosh, they don’t balk at talking about their “reductions.” Also…”reduction” is a grotesque term for abortion. How Nazi-esque can you get?
I know Shira Hirschman Weiss. She had a physical issue + terrible SCOLIOSIS, her twins arrived@ THIRTY WEEKS, yes 30, not any later, and had she tried to carry triplets to term, they would have all perished. She is an incredibly incredibly incredibly loving and a doting mom who saved her twins lives.
I hope my comment went up. When I know someone as dearly as I do, I have to say something! Thank you.
had she tried to carry triplets to term, they would have all perished.
Alana, Do you know this absolutely as fact and if yes, how so?
Thank you, Pamela! :) Glad to hear your little girl is doing well too! :)
I’m sorry, Alana, but I have to echo Praxedes here… When my micro-preemie was in the hospital, there was another couple who had triplets that were also born at 27 weeks like my baby was. They were actually doing fairly well. I do know another woman who was pregnant with triplets and refused to “reduce” her “pregnancy” (hate that terminology). They were born premature and one of them didn’t make it, but the other two did. She will never have to wonder “what if” and although she lost one of her children, she will not have her blood on her hands. Unless you have a crystal ball or something, I don’t know how you could possibly know that they all would have died for a fact when many triplets (and greater) survive.
It isn’t trusting God to take matters into your own hands by murdering an innocent child because you’re afraid of a possibility…
Perhaps she should not have allowed the creation of any more lives than she was able to support, if she had such terrible health issues.
Such is the problem however when you separate procreation from intimacy.